Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I recommend magnesium citrate which is one of the more absorbable forms AND is easy to get in bulk if desired as well as being economical. The citrate also is beneficial to the kidneys as it limits and/or prevents the formation of kidney stones. I wouldn't take the oxide form. Here's a reference that quotes quite a few books on recommend forms. Some of the words are highlighted in the first URL since it is the google cached version and the second URL is the actual web page: http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:mLr01cOCRg8J:www.magnesiumreport.org/magnes\ ium_glycinate.html+magnesium+forms+citrate+oxide+aspartate+glycinate+malate & hl=e\ n & ct=clnk & cd=2 & gl=us & client=firefox-a http://www.magnesiumreport.org/magnesium_glycinate.html Steve wrote: > The oxide form is debatably one of the crudest and most un-absorbable of magnesium. I've read as low as 10% absorbable. > > " Magnesium Oxide is nearly perfectly not absorbable. It is the cheapest form of magnesium and such is a cruel hoax by the manufacturer. " > > My understanding is that Magnesium maleate is the preferred form for fibro. I personally take the highly absorbable magnesium Glycinate. I also take a product called 'Natural Calm' which is a powder magnesium citrate. > > Keep in mind that if you are mag deficient you are likely potassium deficient too. I drink low sodium V8 for the potassium. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> > hypothyroidism > Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 2:08:20 PM > Subject: Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? > > > Magnesium oxide, 500mgs in the morning, 250 at lunchtime and 250 dinnertime. I'm taking vitamin D3 too, 1000 units. After about six months of supplementation my D level has > gone from about 28 to 32. > > Roni -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 also look at transdermal http://www.magneticclay.com gracia I recommend magnesium citrate which is one of the more absorbable forms AND is easy to get in bulk if desired as well as being economical. The citrate also is beneficial to the kidneys as it limits and/or prevents the formation of kidney stones. I wouldn't take the oxide form. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1992 - Release Date: 03/09/09 19:20:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Don't forget just plain epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) in a hot bath. I also use a magnesium gel. There is some controversy with magnesium citrate as to it absorbability also some past studies showed magnesium citrate resulted in increased aluminum absorption. " The most common, magnesium oxide and citrate, happen to be the worst to assimilate, which is why both have a strong laxative effect. " http://web.mit.edu/london/www/magnesium.html I do however take magnesium citrate in the product " Natural Calm " . The formula also mixes in an acid that dissolves the citrate clear. You pour boiling water on the powder and the acid sizzles and smokes. The magnesium just as quickly neutralizes the acid and you sip the hot flavored magnesium. I love it. I limit my exposure to aluminum like in cooking pans, deodorant and antacids... so I feel it's ok. ________________________________ From: Gracia <circe@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 3:43:24 PM Subject: Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? also look at transdermal http://www.magnetic clay.com gracia I recommend magnesium citrate which is one of the more absorbable forms AND is easy to get in bulk if desired as well as being economical. The citrate also is beneficial to the kidneys as it limits and/or prevents the formation of kidney stones. I wouldn't take the oxide form. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1992 - Release Date: 03/09/09 19:20:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I get potassium from my multi and bananas, low sodium V-8, oranges, etc. My body must be absorbing the stuff, because it is working and has stopped the afib I had. If it was not working, my muscles would not be hurting any more than usual anyway, so I feel that it is all right. My blood tests came back all right, although I don't have the numbers at hand. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <kennio (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? hypothyroidism Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:22 AM Yes, parathyroid function looks normal according to testing. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: venizia1948 <nelsonck@sbcglobal . net> hypothyroidism Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:27:31 PM Subject: Re: Anxiety anyone ? , Have you had your parathyroid glands looked at? When my blood calcium was 10.2 my doctor thought I had a gland problem. Come to find out it was being drug induced by a diuretic I was taking. Once I reduced the amount of the diuretic, my numbers went down. I am so glad she did more blood tests before she was going to schedule me for surgery because my numbers kept changing with the changed dose of diuretic.... I took it when I needed it for extreme water retention. When I didn't need it as much my numbers went back to normal. That's when she realized it wasn't the parathyroid glands that was the problem. Very insightful of her and I am grateful that she thought to recheck because I am a singer and I heard that surgery can ruin vocal cords. Venizia > > From: <kennio (DOT) com> > Subject: Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? > hypothyroidism > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:35 PM > > 10.2 which is the very top of the scale. I don't supplement calcium and I > don't eat dairy! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 When I'm ready to order more I'll try the magnesium citrate. I can't afford to throw away what I have. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > The oxide form is debatably one of the crudest and most un-absorbable of magnesium. I've read as low as 10% absorbable. > > " Magnesium Oxide is nearly perfectly not absorbable. It is the cheapest form of magnesium and such is a cruel hoax by the manufacturer. " > > My understanding is that Magnesium maleate is the preferred form for fibro. I personally take the highly absorbable magnesium Glycinate. I also take a product called 'Natural Calm' which is a powder magnesium citrate. > > Keep in mind that if you are mag deficient you are likely potassium deficient too. I drink low sodium V8 for the potassium. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> > hypothyroidism > Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 2:08:20 PM > Subject: Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? > > > Magnesium oxide, 500mgs in the morning, 250 at lunchtime and 250 dinnertime. I'm taking vitamin D3 too, 1000 units. After about six months of supplementation my D level has > gone from about 28 to 32. > > Roni -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 If a mildly absorbable form helps you... imagine the results of a good quality magnesium would do for you. Might help with the fibro. BTW, Serum testing for magnesium is not accurate at all. Red Blood Cell analysis is kind of the gold standard. This test: http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=0 & page_id=1044 & query=magnesi\ um%20rbc & hiword=MAGNESIA%20MAGNESIUMBASED%20MAGNESIUMON%20MAGNESIUMS%20magnesium\ %20rbc%20 ________________________________ From: Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 4:42:30 PM Subject: Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? I get potassium from my multi and bananas, low sodium V-8, oranges, etc. My body must be absorbing the stuff, because it is working and has stopped the afib I had. If it was not working, my muscles would not be hurting any more than usual anyway, so I feel that it is all right. My blood tests came back all right, although I don't have the numbers at hand. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <kennio (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? hypothyroidism Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:22 AM Yes, parathyroid function looks normal according to testing. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: venizia1948 <nelsonck@sbcglobal . net> hypothyroidism Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:27:31 PM Subject: Re: Anxiety anyone ? , Have you had your parathyroid glands looked at? When my blood calcium was 10.2 my doctor thought I had a gland problem. Come to find out it was being drug induced by a diuretic I was taking. Once I reduced the amount of the diuretic, my numbers went down. I am so glad she did more blood tests before she was going to schedule me for surgery because my numbers kept changing with the changed dose of diuretic.... I took it when I needed it for extreme water retention. When I didn't need it as much my numbers went back to normal. That's when she realized it wasn't the parathyroid glands that was the problem. Very insightful of her and I am grateful that she thought to recheck because I am a singer and I heard that surgery can ruin vocal cords. Venizia > > From: <kennio (DOT) com> > Subject: Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? > hypothyroidism > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:35 PM > > 10.2 which is the very top of the scale. I don't supplement calcium and I > don't eat dairy! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 wrote: > Don't forget just plain epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) in a hot bath. I also use a magnesium gel. There is some controversy with magnesium citrate as to it absorbability also some past studies showed magnesium citrate resulted in increased aluminum absorption. I take magnesium citrate twice a day but I have neither the time nor inclination to take an epsom salt bath twice a day. In any case, the tub is a jacczi style and holds about 3-4 times the water of a regular bath which requires many pounds of epsom salt to get the same concentration in the water. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 The point is that the epsom salts bath gets tissue levels higher (and quicker) by bypassing the GI tract. An occasional mag bath is good...certainly not a replacement for daily supplementing. Ideal for people that have panic attacks and other magnesium deficiency related symptoms like teeth grinding, RLS, twitching, sleep disorder. I have a big tub too... I just don't totally submerge myself. I use 2-3 cups of the salt and use it to scrub my skin and I also will pour it on my wet skin and let it sit and dissolve. Magnesium deficiency in my opinion is one of the biggest causes of hypothyroid symptoms and most are oblivious to the need to supplement it. ________________________________ From: Steve <dudescholar4@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 5:24:35 PM Subject: Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? wrote: > Don't forget just plain epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) in a hot bath. I also use a magnesium gel. There is some controversy with magnesium citrate as to it absorbability also some past studies showed magnesium citrate resulted in increased aluminum absorption. I take magnesium citrate twice a day but I have neither the time nor inclination to take an epsom salt bath twice a day. In any case, the tub is a jacczi style and holds about 3-4 times the water of a regular bath which requires many pounds of epsom salt to get the same concentration in the water. -- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 http://www.brodabarnes.org What kind of doctor does one go to who knows about all these things and understands the test results and what they mean? My doctor seems interested only in the TSH and pretty much ignores everything else. Roni ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1995 - Release Date: 03/11/09 08:28:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 when FT3 is extremely high that means it isn't getting into cells. you need cortisol (adrenal hormone), not lowered dose of Armour. Gracia My FT3 is extremely high (Free T3 11.08 range 2.0 - 4.9). TSH is 0.012 (0.5 - 4.0) I have low bone density. Did the doc tell you why yours was high? i was on 3 grains of Armour but went down to 2 grains. He didn't mention a correlation between my osteo and my very high FT3. Maybe I should go to 1 grain. What do you think? Pamela ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1995 - Release Date: 03/11/09 08:28:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Almost all natural medicine providers know about the other tests and ignore the TSH. -- Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? http://www.brodabarnes.org What kind of doctor does one go to who knows about all these things and understands the test results and what they mean? My doctor seems interested only in the TSH and pretty much ignores everything else. Roni ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1995 - Release Date: 03/11/09 08:28:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I agree. To my almost demise Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? http://www.brodabarnes.org What kind of doctor does one go to who knows about all these things and understands the test results and what they mean? My doctor seems interested only in the TSH and pretty much ignores everything else. Roni ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1995 - Release Date: 03/11/09 08:28:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Why would that be bad? The TSH is a useless test. The only good thing about is for screening purposes only. After that it is worthless to use it to monitor whether or not the thyroid hormone med is working. Natural medicine providers also go by symptoms more than tests, too. We use the other tests as a guide, but we use patient reported symptoms as the basis of dosages. That is the way my own natural medicine thyroid MD treats her patients. Symptoms primarily and labs as a guide. Nancie -- Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? http://www.brodabarnes.org What kind of doctor does one go to who knows about all these things and understands the test results and what they mean? My doctor seems interested only in the TSH and pretty much ignores everything else. Roni ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1995 - Release Date: 03/11/09 08:28:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Medicare doesn't pay for naturopathic doctors, and I can't afford to pay for it myself. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: sunlend@... <sunlend@...> Subject: Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? hypothyroidism Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 6:23 PM I agree. To my almost demise Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? http://www.brodabarnes.org What kind of doctor does one go to who knows about all these things and understands the test results and what they mean? My doctor seems interested only in the TSH and pretty much ignores everything else. Roni ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1995 - Release Date: 03/11/09 08:28:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 But, she will pay for a MD who specializes in natural medicine. They are just hard to find. -- Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? http://www.brodabarnes.org What kind of doctor does one go to who knows about all these things and understands the test results and what they mean? My doctor seems interested only in the TSH and pretty much ignores everything else. Roni ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1995 - Release Date: 03/11/09 08:28:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 My Vit D is 17. My doctor has referred me to a bone specialist despite showing no trace of Osteoporosis. DEXA scan was normal. She apparently knows calcium issues quite well...I go next week. I personally suspect that either hyperthyroidism and/or magnesium deficiency plays a part. My serum calcium levels are always high normal despite lack of supplementing. My intercellular (RBC) calcium is often high (which can happen in magnesium deficiency). Ionised calcium was high normal. I have to look up the phosphorus and alp but I know that all were in range. I drink no soda... filtered or bottled water only and I juice vegetables a few times a week. The doctor I saw for all this recent testing is 'anti-aging' type with emphasis an sports nutrition. I thought hormones were going to be in issue but he said I am an anomaly because testosterone and Growth hormone was on the high level for someone 46. I supplement DHEA. He did find high cortisol in the 24hr urine. I'm am about to take a saliva test (every 4 hours for 24 hours) to see the rhythm of the cortisol cycle. That is the same vit K that I took... from Life extension. No elevated liver enzymes since you went T3 only probably because the liver is no longer involved in the T3 conversion. T4 gets converted in the liver to T3 as you know. Interesting that all these thyroid support boards are full of people with high liver enzymes... maybe a symptom of too much T4?? I don't feel I have a liver problem so I don't take anything to support it... even had an ultrasound. I am almost certain that my bouts of high liver enzymes were caused by being hyperthyroid. Stopping the (excessive?) Armour lower the enzymes in 48 hours. I thought it was because of the increased muscle breakdown but it might have been excessive T4 as your situation indicates. I do take phosphatidylcholine and SAM-E which helps helps liver function... among other things. Long term elevated liver enzymes and I would be more worried about liver damage. Great to hear your fibro is gone. I hear it can be related to vit D deficiency too. ________________________________ From: Lethal Lee <pricklefoot3@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:24:59 AM Subject: Re: Anxiety anyone ? Hi , " I have low vitamin D but when I take it my calcium spikes too high and I go hypo... figure that one out. I have megadosed vitamin K for a couple months recently. My Growth Hormone and Testosterone are high normal I guess because of my working out. My Parathyroid function is fine. " I have been reading about your Calcium wasting with interest. I assume when measuring Serum Calcium you are doing either Ionised Calcium or Corrected Calcium? Interesting that your PTH, your Vit D is low & your Calcium high normal. How low was the Vit D in the range by the way? No surprise that if you take Vit D that the Calcium goes higher though. Did you have Serum Phosphorus & ALP measured as well? How do you know your Growth Hormone is high normal? I assume you have a clean diet not drinking lots of Soda which has Phosphoric Acid in it? I noticed you said you have been megadosing Vit K. What sort of Vit K & how much? I am just about to start Vit K myself after researching it some. I have decided on LEF Super K with K1, K2(MK4), & K2(MK7) http://www.lef. org/Vitamins- Supplements/ Item01224/ Super-K-with- Advanced- K2-Complex. html I had severe Vit D deficiency that was untreated for years. I ended up with Secondary Hyperparathyroidism as a result. All resolved now I've optimised Vit D. My Corrected Calcium never went outside Ref Ranges the entire time. I have had TSH undetectable for some time now. I was on 4 1/2 grains Armour then did T3 only protocol to clear high RT3. Been on T3 only since early SEpt'08 got up to 140-150mcg to clear the RT3 took 4 months to do it. Now on 60-80mcg T3 daily doing much better & losing weight too. I also used to have intermittent elevated Liver Enzymes. Interestingly NO problems there since my Adrenals & Thyroid treated despite TSH fully suppressed!! ! I do take a lot of supps to support Liver Function & have for many years. Such as Milk Thistle, ALA, Olive Leaf Extract, antioxidants (Vit A, E) etc. I assume you cover yourself there too? Have you had a Dexascan done at all? I recently had one as I was untreated AI, Hashis, low Sex Hormones (ALL of them were low) for many years & as I am on Adrenal meds for life (been on them 1 year so far). Was pretty good Dexa results actually! My spine measurement was great left hip just slightly into the Osteopenia range. God knows what it would have been like if I'd tested before correcting all the deficiencies & imbalances!! !! So I am adding in the Vit K supp to help cover my bases. I am just starting some moderate exercise too after many years of not being able to. I have very severe Fibro on heavy pain meds for 8 years. Now Fibro is GONE & pain meds no longer needed. Not even headaches anymore. Proper Adrenal treatment " cured " the Fibro well before Thyroid treatment was optimised!!! I plan to redo the Dexa in 2 years time using the recent one for " baseline " comparison. Lethal Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 wrote: > My Vit D is 17. My doctor has referred me to a bone specialist despite showing no trace of Osteoporosis. DEXA scan was normal. She apparently knows calcium issues quite well...I go next week. I personally suspect that either hyperthyroidism and/or magnesium deficiency plays a part. Most people that have been testing their D levels have a D level near this very low area. The lab reference range for LabCorp is 32-100 ng/ml and the rule of thumb for raising D levels is that 1000 IU raise blood serum D levels by 7 to 10 ng/mL (depending on which 'expert' one believes). Taking 5000 IU of D3 per day should raise your D levels 35 to 50 ng/mL for a total of 52-67 ng/mL., right in the optimum range. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 I have had the experience of dosing at 6000 IU daily for a couple weeks and have gone hypo. It appears as though it spiked my intercellular calcium. Hopefully this doctor can give me a clue what's up with my problem with restoring vit D and the calcium issue. It might be I need high doses of magnesium at the same time. I'm thinking that I need the method of weekly massive doses of vit D(50,000 IU) so I can massive dose mag at the same time and have time for my thyroid to stabilize between dosing. I think I just need to get my levels up anyway I can. I'll ask the doc for her recommendation. ________________________________ From: Steve <dudescholar4@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:04:42 PM Subject: Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? wrote: > My Vit D is 17. My doctor has referred me to a bone specialist despite showing no trace of Osteoporosis. DEXA scan was normal. She apparently knows calcium issues quite well...I go next week. I personally suspect that either hyperthyroidism and/or magnesium deficiency plays a part. Most people that have been testing their D levels have a D level near this very low area. The lab reference range for LabCorp is 32-100 ng/ml and the rule of thumb for raising D levels is that 1000 IU raise blood serum D levels by 7 to 10 ng/mL (depending on which 'expert' one believes). Taking 5000 IU of D3 per day should raise your D levels 35 to 50 ng/mL for a total of 52-67 ng/mL., right in the optimum range. -- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 My vitamin D was in the 20s (can't remember the exact number) but with the supplementation I take 1000 mgs per day, it has gone up to 32. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <kennio@...> Subject: Re: Re: Anxiety anyone ? hypothyroidism Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 11:59 AM My Vit D is 17.   My doctor has referred me to a bone specialist despite showing no trace of Osteoporosis. DEXA scan was normal. She apparently knows calcium issues quite well...I go next week. I personally suspect that either hyperthyroidism and/or magnesium deficiency plays a part. My serum calcium levels are always high normal despite lack of supplementing. My intercellular (RBC) calcium is often high (which can happen in magnesium deficiency). Ionised calcium was high normal. I have to look up the phosphorus and alp but I know that all were in range. I drink no soda... filtered or bottled water only and I juice vegetables a few times a week. The doctor I saw for all this recent testing is 'anti-aging' type with emphasis an sports nutrition. I thought hormones were going to be in issue but he said I am an anomaly because testosterone and Growth hormone was on the high level for someone 46. I supplement DHEA. He did find high cortisol in the 24hr urine. I'm am about to take a saliva test (every 4 hours for 24 hours) to see the rhythm of the cortisol cycle. That is the same vit K that I took... from Life extension. No elevated liver enzymes since you went T3 only probably because the liver is no longer involved in the T3 conversion. T4 gets converted in the liver to T3 as you know. Interesting that all these thyroid support boards are full of people with high liver enzymes... maybe a symptom of too much T4?? I don't feel I have a liver problem so I don't take anything to support it... even had an ultrasound. I am almost certain that my bouts of high liver enzymes were caused by being hyperthyroid. Stopping the (excessive?) Armour lower the enzymes in 48 hours. I thought it was because of the increased muscle breakdown but it might have been excessive T4 as your situation indicates. I do take phosphatidylcholine and SAM-E which helps helps liver function... among other things. Long term elevated liver enzymes and I would be more worried about liver damage. Great to hear your fibro is gone. I hear it can be related to vit D deficiency too.   ________________________________ From: Lethal Lee <pricklefoot3@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:24:59 AM Subject: Re: Anxiety anyone ? Hi , " I have low vitamin D but when I take it my calcium spikes too high and I go hypo... figure that one out. I have megadosed vitamin K for a couple months recently. My Growth Hormone and Testosterone are high normal I guess because of my working out. My Parathyroid function is fine. " I have been reading about your Calcium wasting with interest. I assume when measuring Serum Calcium you are doing either Ionised Calcium or Corrected Calcium? Interesting that your PTH, your Vit D is low & your Calcium high normal. How low was the Vit D in the range by the way? No surprise that if you take Vit D that the Calcium goes higher though. Did you have Serum Phosphorus & ALP measured as well? How do you know your Growth Hormone is high normal? I assume you have a clean diet not drinking lots of Soda which has Phosphoric Acid in it? I noticed you said you have been megadosing Vit K. What sort of Vit K & how much? I am just about to start Vit K myself after researching it some. I have decided on LEF Super K with K1, K2(MK4), & K2(MK7) http://www.lef. org/Vitamins- Supplements/ Item01224/ Super-K-with- Advanced- K2-Complex. html I had severe Vit D deficiency that was untreated for years. I ended up with Secondary Hyperparathyroidism as a result. All resolved now I've optimised Vit D. My Corrected Calcium never went outside Ref Ranges the entire time. I have had TSH undetectable for some time now. I was on 4 1/2 grains Armour then did T3 only protocol to clear high RT3. Been on T3 only since early SEpt'08 got up to 140-150mcg to clear the RT3 took 4 months to do it. Now on 60-80mcg T3 daily doing much better & losing weight too. I also used to have intermittent elevated Liver Enzymes. Interestingly NO problems there since my Adrenals & Thyroid treated despite TSH fully suppressed!! ! I do take a lot of supps to support Liver Function & have for many years. Such as Milk Thistle, ALA, Olive Leaf Extract, antioxidants (Vit A, E) etc. I assume you cover yourself there too? Have you had a Dexascan done at all? I recently had one as I was untreated AI, Hashis, low Sex Hormones (ALL of them were low) for many years & as I am on Adrenal meds for life (been on them 1 year so far). Was pretty good Dexa results actually! My spine measurement was great left hip just slightly into the Osteopenia range. God knows what it would have been like if I'd tested before correcting all the deficiencies & imbalances!! !! So I am adding in the Vit K supp to help cover my bases. I am just starting some moderate exercise too after many years of not being able to. I have very severe Fibro on heavy pain meds for 8 years. Now Fibro is GONE & pain meds no longer needed. Not even headaches anymore. Proper Adrenal treatment " cured " the Fibro well before Thyroid treatment was optimised!!! I plan to redo the Dexa in 2 years time using the recent one for " baseline " comparison. Lethal Lee    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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