Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Taking mag? On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:26 PM, " amygreen53 " <amygreen53@...> wrote: I just started taking generic synthroid 3 days ago after a year of trying to tolerate Armour. Even at 90mg of Armour, with decent looking labs, I felt awful and my daily temps never could climb above 97.7 at best. Already, at a only 25mcg of synthroid, my temps are about 98.1. I'm also not having the horrible crawling muscle feelings that I've put up with for so long. What do you guys make of that??? Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Yup -- I'm taking mag citrate (can't take too much yet). I use mag oil when I think of it (not often enough) and I ordered mag glycinate. Amy ________________________________ From: <kennio@...> " hypothyroidism " <hypothyroidism > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:06:39 PM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Taking mag? On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:26 PM, " amygreen53 " <amygreen53 (DOT) com> wrote: I just started taking generic synthroid 3 days ago after a year of trying to tolerate Armour. Even at 90mg of Armour, with decent looking labs, I felt awful and my daily temps never could climb above 97.7 at best. Already, at a only 25mcg of synthroid, my temps are about 98.1. I'm also not having the horrible crawling muscle feelings that I've put up with for so long. What do you guys make of that??? Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 To me it says that Armour evidently is not for you. You have to go with what works for you and not worry about what anyone thinks you should do. You gave it a fair trial and it didn't work for you. You're moving on from there and I think that's fine. Good luck to you. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: amygreen53 <amygreen53@...> Subject: progress maybe? hypothyroidism Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 8:26 PM I just started taking generic synthroid 3 days ago after a year of trying to tolerate Armour. Even at 90mg of Armour, with decent looking labs, I felt awful and my daily temps never could climb above 97.7 at best. Already, at a only 25mcg of synthroid, my temps are about 98.1. I'm also not having the horrible crawling muscle feelings that I've put up with for so long. What do you guys make of that??? Amy ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Well 1 1/2 grain of armour converts on the notoriously inaccurate conversion chart to about 75 mcg of synthroid. I wouldn't stay at too low of a dose for too long of synthroid. You have your T4 and T3 up... no reason to let it fall...unless you were at a crazy low TSH and crazy high T3 AND weren't feeling well. I jumped off 3 grains of armour and went directly to 150mcg levoxyl without a dip or going hypo. My T3 fell but not out of range. My TSH stayed below 1. Glad you're feeling better. ________________________________ From: Amy Green <amygreen53@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:13:55 PM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Yup -- I'm taking mag citrate (can't take too much yet). I use mag oil when I think of it (not often enough) and I ordered mag glycinate. Amy ____________ _________ _________ __ From: <kennio (DOT) com> " hypothyroidism " <hypothyroidism> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:06:39 PM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Taking mag? On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:26 PM, " amygreen53 " <amygreen53@ . com> wrote: I just started taking generic synthroid 3 days ago after a year of trying to tolerate Armour. Even at 90mg of Armour, with decent looking labs, I felt awful and my daily temps never could climb above 97.7 at best. Already, at a only 25mcg of synthroid, my temps are about 98.1. I'm also not having the horrible crawling muscle feelings that I've put up with for so long. What do you guys make of that??? Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Amy, This just proves that we are all individuals who have to do what is right for us. We can all state what works for us but should not TELL someone this is what they SHOULD do. This is a great forum to help each other but there is a fine line here. So glad this is working for you but as said make sure you get your labs done about every 6 weeks or you may find you are falling back down to where you were. Good luck to you, Venizia > > I just started taking generic synthroid 3 days ago after a year of trying to tolerate Armour. Even at 90mg of Armour, with decent looking labs, I felt awful and my daily temps never could climb above 97.7 at best. Already, at a only 25mcg of synthroid, my temps are about 98.1. I'm also not having the horrible crawling muscle feelings that I've put up with for so long. What do you guys make of that??? > > Amy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 -- so if I'm taking 25 mcg of synthroid (levothyroxine actually) what would that be equivalent to in Armour? Thanks! Amy ________________________________ From: <kennio@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:32:46 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Well 1 1/2 grain of armour converts on the notoriously inaccurate conversion chart to about 75 mcg of synthroid. I wouldn't stay at too low of a dose for too long of synthroid. You have your T4 and T3 up... no reason to let it fall...unless you were at a crazy low TSH and crazy high T3 AND weren't feeling well. I jumped off 3 grains of armour and went directly to 150mcg levoxyl without a dip or going hypo. My T3 fell but not out of range. My TSH stayed below 1. Glad you're feeling better. ____________ _________ _________ __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 1/2 a grain. 30mgs ________________________________ From: Amy Green <amygreen53@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:17:00 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? -- so if I'm taking 25 mcg of synthroid (levothyroxine actually) what would that be equivalent to in Armour? Thanks! Amy ____________ _________ _________ __ From: <kennio (DOT) com> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:32:46 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Well 1 1/2 grain of armour converts on the notoriously inaccurate conversion chart to about 75 mcg of synthroid. I wouldn't stay at too low of a dose for too long of synthroid. You have your T4 and T3 up... no reason to let it fall...unless you were at a crazy low TSH and crazy high T3 AND weren't feeling well. I jumped off 3 grains of armour and went directly to 150mcg levoxyl without a dip or going hypo. My T3 fell but not out of range. My TSH stayed below 1. Glad you're feeling better. ____________ _________ _________ __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Amy, How were you taking your meds? Chuck You wrote: > I just started taking generic synthroid 3 days ago after a year of trying to tolerate Armour. Even at 90mg of Armour, with decent looking labs, I felt awful and my daily temps never could climb above 97.7 at best. Already, at a only 25mcg of synthroid, my temps are about 98.1. I'm also not having the horrible crawling muscle feelings that I've put up with for so long. What do you guys make of that??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Chuck -- I tried it every way -- swallowed, sublingualed, all at once, divided into several doses etc. Amy ________________________________ From: " gumboyaya@... " <gumboyaya@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:40:25 PM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Amy, How were you taking your meds? Chuck You wrote: > I just started taking generic synthroid 3 days ago after a year of trying to tolerate Armour. Even at 90mg of Armour, with decent looking labs, I felt awful and my daily temps never could climb above 97.7 at best. Already, at a only 25mcg of synthroid, my temps are about 98.1. I'm also not having the horrible crawling muscle feelings that I've put up with for so long. What do you guys make of that??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Could you publish a conversion chart for the Armour vs. synthroid type medications? I think that would help those of us that aren't familiar with these numbers. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <kennio@...> Subject: Re: progress maybe? hypothyroidism Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 11:21 AM 1/2 a grain. 30mgs ________________________________ From: Amy Green <amygreen53@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:17:00 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? -- so if I'm taking 25 mcg of synthroid (levothyroxine actually) what would that be equivalent to in Armour? Thanks! Amy ____________ _________ _________ __ From: <kennio (DOT) com> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:32:46 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Well 1 1/2 grain of armour converts on the notoriously inaccurate conversion chart to about 75 mcg of synthroid. I wouldn't stay at too low of a dose for too long of synthroid. You have your T4 and T3 up... no reason to let it fall...unless you were at a crazy low TSH and crazy high T3 AND weren't feeling well. I jumped off 3 grains of armour and went directly to 150mcg levoxyl without a dip or going hypo. My T3 fell but not out of range. My TSH stayed below 1. Glad you're feeling better. ____________ _________ _________ __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Here you go. http://thyroid.about.com/library/drugs/blconversionchart.htm ________________________________ From: Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:43:41 PM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Could you publish a conversion chart for the Armour vs. synthroid type medications? I think that would help those of us that aren't familiar with these numbers. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <kennio (DOT) com> Subject: Re: progress maybe? hypothyroidism Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 11:21 AM 1/2 a grain. 30mgs ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Amy Green <amygreen53 (DOT) com> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:17:00 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? -- so if I'm taking 25 mcg of synthroid (levothyroxine actually) what would that be equivalent to in Armour? Thanks! Amy ____________ _________ _________ __ From: <kennio (DOT) com> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:32:46 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Well 1 1/2 grain of armour converts on the notoriously inaccurate conversion chart to about 75 mcg of synthroid. I wouldn't stay at too low of a dose for too long of synthroid. You have your T4 and T3 up... no reason to let it fall...unless you were at a crazy low TSH and crazy high T3 AND weren't feeling well. I jumped off 3 grains of armour and went directly to 150mcg levoxyl without a dip or going hypo. My T3 fell but not out of range. My TSH stayed below 1. Glad you're feeling better. ____________ _________ _________ __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Then this site has other rules for conversion. " 1 grain (60 mg) of Armour equals approximately 74 mcg of T4 (Synthroid) " http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000016.htm ________________________________ From: Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:43:41 PM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Could you publish a conversion chart for the Armour vs. synthroid type medications? I think that would help those of us that aren't familiar with these numbers. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <kennio (DOT) com> Subject: Re: progress maybe? hypothyroidism Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 11:21 AM 1/2 a grain. 30mgs ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Amy Green <amygreen53 (DOT) com> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:17:00 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? -- so if I'm taking 25 mcg of synthroid (levothyroxine actually) what would that be equivalent to in Armour? Thanks! Amy ____________ _________ _________ __ From: <kennio (DOT) com> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:32:46 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Well 1 1/2 grain of armour converts on the notoriously inaccurate conversion chart to about 75 mcg of synthroid. I wouldn't stay at too low of a dose for too long of synthroid. You have your T4 and T3 up... no reason to let it fall...unless you were at a crazy low TSH and crazy high T3 AND weren't feeling well. I jumped off 3 grains of armour and went directly to 150mcg levoxyl without a dip or going hypo. My T3 fell but not out of range. My TSH stayed below 1. Glad you're feeling better. ____________ _________ _________ __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Thank you. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <kennio (DOT) com> Subject: Re: progress maybe? hypothyroidism Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 11:21 AM 1/2 a grain. 30mgs ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Amy Green <amygreen53 (DOT) com> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:17:00 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? -- so if I'm taking 25 mcg of synthroid (levothyroxine actually) what would that be equivalent to in Armour? Thanks! Amy ____________ _________ _________ __ From: <kennio (DOT) com> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:32:46 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Well 1 1/2 grain of armour converts on the notoriously inaccurate conversion chart to about 75 mcg of synthroid. I wouldn't stay at too low of a dose for too long of synthroid. You have your T4 and T3 up... no reason to let it fall...unless you were at a crazy low TSH and crazy high T3 AND weren't feeling well. I jumped off 3 grains of armour and went directly to 150mcg levoxyl without a dip or going hypo. My T3 fell but not out of range. My TSH stayed below 1. Glad you're feeling better. ____________ _________ _________ __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Thanks again. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <kennio (DOT) com> Subject: Re: progress maybe? hypothyroidism Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 11:21 AM 1/2 a grain. 30mgs ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Amy Green <amygreen53 (DOT) com> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:17:00 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? -- so if I'm taking 25 mcg of synthroid (levothyroxine actually) what would that be equivalent to in Armour? Thanks! Amy ____________ _________ _________ __ From: <kennio (DOT) com> hypothyroidism Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:32:46 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Well 1 1/2 grain of armour converts on the notoriously inaccurate conversion chart to about 75 mcg of synthroid. I wouldn't stay at too low of a dose for too long of synthroid. You have your T4 and T3 up... no reason to let it fall...unless you were at a crazy low TSH and crazy high T3 AND weren't feeling well. I jumped off 3 grains of armour and went directly to 150mcg levoxyl without a dip or going hypo. My T3 fell but not out of range. My TSH stayed below 1. Glad you're feeling better. ____________ _________ _________ __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Hi Roni, " 1 grain (60 mg) of Armour equals approximately 74 mcg of T4 (Synthroid) " http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000016.htm They arrive at that calc this way.... 1 grain Armour contains 38mcg T4 + 9mcg T3 " conventional " wisdom is that 1mcg T3 is 4 times as potent as T4. So 1 grain is supposedly equivalent to..... 38mcg T4 + (9mcg T3 x 4) 38mcg + 36mcg = 74mcg T4 I dont think there IS any " equivalency " between Armour & T4 only meds. Most on T4 meds do badly or never completely feel well. So IF you want to continue to feel poorly by all means take an " equivalent " amount or Armour. On the other hand IF you want to feel well then take enough Armour to eliminate your symptoms. That seems to be an average of between 3-5 grains. Of course nothing will make you well if you havent addressed other contributing factors like Adrenals, mineral & vitamin deficiencies/suboptimal levels, Sex Hormones, possible RT3 issues etc. Lethal Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Amy, My concern was the imbalance between doses. Is it possible you were doing something with the Armour to reduce absorption, such as food, soy, tea, calcium, or iron supplements? It would make more sense, if you had hyper symptoms with the Armour, since 25 mcg of T4 is essentially nothing. That seemed to be what you were suggesting with bone density and liver enzymes, right? Chuck > > > Chuck -- I tried it every way -- swallowed, sublingualed, all at once, > divided into several doses etc. Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 , You wrote: > > http://thyroid.about.com/library/drugs/blconversionchart.htm > <http://thyroid.about.com/library/drugs/blconversionchart.htm> That's more like it. It says 1 grain of Armour is equivalent to 100 mcg of T4, not 50 mcg. That is also what you get if you multiply the amount of T3 in Armour by about 4.5 and add it to the amount of T4 in Armour. The conversion is based on the potency for affecting TSH. However, that does not translate into efficacy in relieving symptoms, which is why many people need more Armour. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 wrote: > > > Then this site has other rules for conversion. > > " 1 grain (60 mg) of Armour equals approximately 74 mcg of T4 (Synthroid) " > > http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000016.htm <http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000016.htm> Actually, they give a range of 74-100 mcg, which is probably reasonable considering the difference in absorption between T3 and T4. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Your experience is exactly why I left that group as well. I am so tired of people trying to sell their products or services on discussion boards and then enforcing their opinion on others. I also like this forum as it is free from all that b.s. > > I went onto the forum associated with " StopTheThyroidMadness.com " when I was taking Armour looking for help because of feeling ill and then the high liver enzymes starting. Here's how it went. > > me: Anyone else having high liver enzymes after starting Armour. I'm on 3 grains. > > her: How dare you fear monger here and repeat the terrible rumors that doctors are telling you to believe. ARMOUR saved my life and I would will defend such a wonderful company as forest pharmaceuticals with all my might. They are ethical and fight for us!! (or something like that) > > me: Ummm, forest pharmaceuticals also makes Lexapro. Google " lawsuit lexapro " . > > The whole thread disappeared in less than 10 minutes and I was kicked off the board without comment... I kid you not! Never got around to mentioning that I was pissing out my whole skeleton as my calcium was leached from my bones (hadn't found out yet). > > I am NOT suggesting that Armour caused all these problems. I now know that any hyperthyroid state can cause these problems regardless of what hormone replacement is used AND that hyperthyroidism can be a subtle condition with real consequences. The real problem with the Armour websites are the pushing to take more and more without a care to hidden dangers like elevated liver enzymes and calcium leaching. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 You'll find different charts for conversion too. Then there's StoptheThyroidMadness who says that all the conversion charts are inaccurate; they make the blanket statement that you'll need to take at LEAST 2-3 grains to feel normal. ________________________________ From: Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:38:39 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? wrote: > > > Then this site has other rules for conversion. > > " 1 grain (60 mg) of Armour equals approximately 74 mcg of T4 (Synthroid) " > > http://www.drumlib. com/dp/000016. htm <http://www.drumlib. com/dp/000016. htm> Actually, they give a range of 74-100 mcg, which is probably reasonable considering the difference in absorption between T3 and T4. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Chuck -- I'm not sure what you mean by the imbalance between doses. Or the references to bone density and liver enzymes. I think that may have been someone else. I just couldn't manage Armour -- it made me feel horribly hyper even when my labs were showing hypo and when my labs were good I also felt horribly hyper. The more I was on, the worse I felt and the less I was on, the better I felt. My main problem is really weak, wobbly muscles and a totally agitated body feeling (not emotional feeling). They get worse the more Armour I'm on. So I weaned myself off Armour in the last few months, and felt better and better -- I've been taking only 15mg of Armour. However, my labs tanked, so I can't just not take thyroid meds. (Although I'm really tempted.) The result (possibly) of my lowering my Armour was a swollen thyroid that sometimes makes it hard to swallow and feels bad. So, I started Levothyroxine this week and at least my temps have come up. When I was on ~75mg of Armour, my daily temps were never above 97.7. even though my labs were good. That doesn't make sense!!! After 3 days on Levo. (only 25mcg.) my temps are around 98.2. That's an improvement there and my legs muscles at first seemed better, but now it's back to the same old.. I give up trying to figure this out. My adrenals are ok (checked out by 24 hr saliva test) and my ferritin was in range, but low, so I'm taking iron and it's coming up. (That makes me nervous because I'm post meno and my hemoglobin is 14.7 and I sure don't want to end up with too much iron, but on some forums they say you need ferrritin to be around 90 for your body to be able to manage thyroid meds and mine's only around 40 at the moment -- and I'm desperate enough to believe just about anything.) I have good days (not normal though) and weak creepy days. I've been checked by a rheumatologist and a neurologist and apparently they think those systems check out. I am quite sure I'm low on magnesium, but it's hard to supplement that too heavily unless I want to live in the bathroom : ) And I can't imagine that just mag deficiency could make my muscles so weak and wobbly. So, I'm discouraged and stumped. I'm really really sensitive to thyroid meds (either one) -- I can FEEL it kick in and it's not a nice feeling. I wish this would all just go away! Sigh. Any ideas? I would love any input!!! Amy ________________________________ From: Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:21:40 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Amy, My concern was the imbalance between doses. Is it possible you were doing something with the Armour to reduce absorption, such as food, soy, tea, calcium, or iron supplements? It would make more sense, if you had hyper symptoms with the Armour, since 25 mcg of T4 is essentially nothing. That seemed to be what you were suggesting with bone density and liver enzymes, right? Chuck > > > Chuck -- I tried it every way -- swallowed, sublingualed, all at once, > divided into several doses etc. Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 First I think we need to know what you and your doctor considered " good labs " . I personally am so horribly hypothyroid at a TSH 2.5 that I can't think straight; constipated, hair loss, the works. Magnesium deficiency made my muscles like mush. I was in the middle of lifting weight over my head when this all started and I just lost all power in my right arm and bonked myself with one of the weights. There is actually is a very popular patented bodybuilding supplement called ZMA. It is nothing but magnesium, zinc and b6... it sells for $30 a bottle. I don't suggest buying it. I think that those that ARE magnesium deficient that take it get seemingly miraculous results and their fanaticism about the product drives the craze for the product in others that maybe won't see the same results. I wouldn't underestimate what magnesium deficiency can do to your body. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZMA_(supplement) ________________________________ From: Amy Green <amygreen53@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:59:23 PM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Chuck -- I'm not sure what you mean by the imbalance between doses. Or the references to bone density and liver enzymes. I think that may have been someone else. I just couldn't manage Armour -- it made me feel horribly hyper even when my labs were showing hypo and when my labs were good I also felt horribly hyper. The more I was on, the worse I felt and the less I was on, the better I felt. My main problem is really weak, wobbly muscles and a totally agitated body feeling (not emotional feeling). They get worse the more Armour I'm on. So I weaned myself off Armour in the last few months, and felt better and better -- I've been taking only 15mg of Armour. However, my labs tanked, so I can't just not take thyroid meds. (Although I'm really tempted.) The result (possibly) of my lowering my Armour was a swollen thyroid that sometimes makes it hard to swallow and feels bad. So, I started Levothyroxine this week and at least my temps have come up. When I was on ~75mg of Armour, my daily temps were never above 97.7. even though my labs were good. That doesn't make sense!!! After 3 days on Levo. (only 25mcg.) my temps are around 98.2. That's an improvement there and my legs muscles at first seemed better, but now it's back to the same old.. I give up trying to figure this out. My adrenals are ok (checked out by 24 hr saliva test) and my ferritin was in range, but low, so I'm taking iron and it's coming up. (That makes me nervous because I'm post meno and my hemoglobin is 14.7 and I sure don't want to end up with too much iron, but on some forums they say you need ferrritin to be around 90 for your body to be able to manage thyroid meds and mine's only around 40 at the moment -- and I'm desperate enough to believe just about anything.) I have good days (not normal though) and weak creepy days. I've been checked by a rheumatologist and a neurologist and apparently they think those systems check out. I am quite sure I'm low on magnesium, but it's hard to supplement that too heavily unless I want to live in the bathroom : ) And I can't imagine that just mag deficiency could make my muscles so weak and wobbly. So, I'm discouraged and stumped. I'm really really sensitive to thyroid meds (either one) -- I can FEEL it kick in and it's not a nice feeling. I wish this would all just go away! Sigh. Any ideas? I would love any input!!! Amy ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Chuck B <gumboyayacox (DOT) net> hypothyroidism Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:21:40 AM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Amy, My concern was the imbalance between doses. Is it possible you were doing something with the Armour to reduce absorption, such as food, soy, tea, calcium, or iron supplements? It would make more sense, if you had hyper symptoms with the Armour, since 25 mcg of T4 is essentially nothing. That seemed to be what you were suggesting with bone density and liver enzymes, right? Chuck > > > Chuck -- I tried it every way -- swallowed, sublingualed, all at once, > divided into several doses etc. Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 I think u said not to take mag with calcium? Is that right? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: progress maybe? Amy, My concern was the imbalance between doses. Is it possible you were doing something with the Armour to reduce absorption, such as food, soy, tea, calcium, or iron supplements? It would make more sense, if you had hyper symptoms with the Armour, since 25 mcg of T4 is essentially nothing. That seemed to be what you were suggesting with bone density and liver enzymes, right? Chuck > > > Chuck -- I tried it every way -- swallowed, sublingualed, all at once, > divided into several doses etc. Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Magnesium and calcium compete for absorption. So if you are trying to restore mag levels it would not be a good idea. ________________________________ From: " sunlend@... " <sunlend@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:02:38 PM Subject: Re: progress maybe? I think u said not to take mag with calcium? Is that right? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: progress maybe? Amy, My concern was the imbalance between doses. Is it possible you were doing something with the Armour to reduce absorption, such as food, soy, tea, calcium, or iron supplements? It would make more sense, if you had hyper symptoms with the Armour, since 25 mcg of T4 is essentially nothing. That seemed to be what you were suggesting with bone density and liver enzymes, right? Chuck > > > Chuck -- I tried it every way -- swallowed, sublingualed, all at once, > divided into several doses etc. Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Thanks! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: progress maybe? Amy, My concern was the imbalance between doses. Is it possible you were doing something with the Armour to reduce absorption, such as food, soy, tea, calcium, or iron supplements? It would make more sense, if you had hyper symptoms with the Armour, since 25 mcg of T4 is essentially nothing. That seemed to be what you were suggesting with bone density and liver enzymes, right? Chuck > > > Chuck -- I tried it every way -- swallowed, sublingualed, all at once, > divided into several doses etc. Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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