Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Chuck --sorry to be so ignorant, but what is a binding problem? Thanks! Amy ________________________________ From: Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 3:25:23 PM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Amy Green wrote: > > > -- Good labs were a TSH typically of .1 (sometimes as low as .03) > with the FT4 halfway up the range and the FT3 about a third of the way > up the range.... That looks like a binding problem. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Yeah; but you're talking about Earth. Gracia lives on a small and very strange planet in a galaxy far, far away! [ggg] There Iodine at 6600% of RDA cures everything. And if iodine doesn't cure it then 166% of the manufacturer's recommended max dose of Armour will cure it. And if Armour doesn't cure it BHRT will cure it. And if BHRT doesn't cure it then sex hormones will cure it. And if sex hormones don't cure it you can drink a quart or two of Guinness and you won't be any healthier but you won't give a $#!t...... This is clearly spelled out by Saint Brownstein in his Holy Scriptures published in " The Original Internist " , and if you follow his advice you will probably live to the ripe old age of three score and 10 on average. If you don't you'll probably [on average] be dead by the time you're 70. [ggggggggggg] .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20progress%20maybe%3F> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:29 am (PDT) > > Gracia, no disrespect, but I belong to a support group with thousands > of members, some of whom are nurses and doctors. Many of the people > have had horrendous experiences with the afib, no one at all has > suggested that it is an adrenal symptom, and it is not easy to treat. > It is unpredictable, and can arise from different causes for different > reasons. It is unpredicatable and can change into ventricular > fibrillation, or other things. The heart can become enlarged, a > patient can go into CHF, need valve replacement, catheter ablation, > open heart surgery, and many times these procedures have to be done > again and again. > Please try to see the world for what it is, complicated. Not > everything and everyone needs > iodine and sex hormones, and not every condition is because of adrenal > insufficiencies. > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > > > From: Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40fairpoint.net>> > Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 9:32 PM > > A-fib is an adrenal symptom. fibro is very easy to treat and no one > needs to suffer from it. > Gracia > > I personally don't have an issue with taking more Armour. I have had > to Lower my Armour > from 2-1/2 grains to 1 grain because the TSH keeps coming up below > range. It was <.01, and I was experiencing atrial fibrillation. I > didn't want to, but finally started lowering my dose. The afib stopped > on January 27th, which is wonderful. However, I feel like crap. I have > fibromyalgia since 1998, but never so bad as now. I hurt all over my > body very badly, and I'm exhausted. I don't do well on medications. I > either react right away or after a few weeks, so I stay away from > medications as much as I can. When I can't take the pain I take 1/2 of > a Soma, which doesn't do more than take the edge off of the pain. A > whole pill messes up my head and makes me feel awful. I'm a senior and > I live alone, and I can't afford to be zonked out on pills. I'm > allergic to narcotics to they're out all together. > > People are complicated mechanisms, and a simple admonition to take > more or less of > something may seem correct if one doesn't know the whole story. > > > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Actually some people have one or more _extra_ heart nodes that generate unneeded impulses. I shudder to think that anyone would be giving advice to others who thinks Cortisol would cure such a condition. .. .. > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20progress%20maybe%3F> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:59 pm (PDT) > > > actually sadly this is just what I am talking about! this is why some > of us are really PISSED OFF. this is why Jefferies MD wrote Safe Uses > of Cortisol. this is why there are support groups that advocate what I > do and ppl get well. it really is not so complicated when you give > your body what it needs. and I have repeatedly posted the sites that > will give more info. > and that's why I take cortef and iodine and Armour. > gracia > > Gracia, no disrespect, but I belong to a support group with thousands > of members, some of whom are nurses and doctors. Many of the people > have had horrendous experiences with the afib, no one at all has > suggested that it is an adrenal symptom, and it is not easy to treat. > It is unpredictable, and can arise from different causes for different > reasons. It is unpredicatable and can change into ventricular > fibrillation, or other things. The heart can become enlarged, a > patient can go into CHF, need valve replacement, catheter ablation, > open heart surgery, and many times these procedures have to be done > again and again. > Please try to see the world for what it is, complicated. Not > everything and everyone needs > iodine and sex hormones, and not every condition is because of adrenal > insufficiencies. > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Amy, we are _all_ ignorant. Just different levels on different subjects. To some extent I suspect that the better educated one becomes the more one realizes the vastness of the knowledge one does not possess. I once posted to someone: " I'm ignorant in fields you don't even know exist... " ! [ggg] .. .. > > Posted by: " Amy Green " amygreen53@... > <mailto:amygreen53@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20progress%20maybe%3F> > amygreen53 <amygreen53> > > > Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:12 pm (PDT) > > > > Chuck --sorry to be so ignorant, but what is a binding problem? > Thanks! Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 There's quite a difference in receiving or being threatened with a fine [even a massive one] and having all your neighbors toss you to the ground and cut off your head. I'll have to agree that we're far from totally free in the US, and it seems the confines upon what should be acceptable behavior become greater every day. We all have our cultural biases. I was born in rural Mississippi over 68 years ago and raised in a frankly racist and bigoted culture. I won't ever outgrow all of that, but I've come a long way. .. .. > > Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@... > <mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20progress%20maybe%3F> > dudescholar <dudescholar> > > > Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:24 pm (PDT) > > The internet allows for degrees of anonymity with respect to personal > speech, something I take advantage off. I haven't had the need to post > in a way that would make it difficult for " authorities " to find me, but > that can be done quite well also. > > As to " freedom " , I define that as the right, natural right, do what ever > the heck I want with my person or personal property as long as I don't > injure another or their property nor defraud them in any way > (libertarian) > . We are a long way from that definition in the USA both > in the social and economic arena. > > A local city took an old retired lady to court for not watering her own > lawn enough in the middle of a drought and I got a warning that I hadn't > landscaped my yard enough within the " legal " time frame - the daily > fines could have taken the house ($7500 USD per day - I took well over 2 > years to do what they said should be done in 1 - I didn't get fined but > by law we could have been looking at 2.5 million in fines - that's not > freedom although I don't think the law has been tested in the courts). > > We don't think much about eating pork or beef unless some religious bias > raise it's irrational head but when I mention that I've eaten horse, > that can get even some human carnivores upset. Ground horse meat by the > way has very little fat so it doesn't stick together when cooked so it > tasted like very low fat hamburger. It was purchased at a local butcher > in Quebec Canada. I'll take well marbled red meat over lean any day of > the week. > > Steve > > wrote: > > How little we appreciate our freedoms. In some countries you could be > > beheaded for a statement like that... > > > > > > > > PS: Yum, yum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 " Allowed " is in your post. Twice. It isn't in mine. At all. Hopefully you know the name of your logical fallacy; or at least that it is a fallacy. .. .. > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20progress%20maybe%3F> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:51 pm (PDT) > > > ??? you are saying that peeps with " extra heart nodes " cannot be > allowed to have cortef to support adrenals? gee I never heard that > one. can they be allowed to have thyroid meds? > gracia > > Actually some people have one or more _extra_ heart nodes that generate > unneeded impulses. I shudder to think that anyone would be giving > advice to others who thinks Cortisol would cure such a condition. > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Amy, You didn't mention a time period between these changes. Serum levels of T4 can take up to 10 weeks to reach steady state. -Chuck > Chuck - I was on a pretty full dose of Armour and felt awful so I reduced the dose over time to only 15mg of Armour and felt much better for awhile. So switching to Levothyroxine dosage of 25mg was pretty much the same thing. On the full dose of Armour, my TSH was usually around .1 or less, my FT4 was halfway up the range and FT3 was a third of the way up the range. But I felt hugely hyper. On the lowered dose of Armour (15 mg) my TSH was 5.88 and both my FT4 and FT3 were below range, although just barely. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Amy, You wrote: > > Chuck --sorry to be so ignorant, but what is a binding problem? ... More than 99% of the T4 and T3 in your blood is bound by special thyroid binding enzymes, albumin and globulins. Your blood tests for FT4 and FT3 measure the tiny fraction that is left unbound and available for the cells to use. The bound fraction is effectively a " storage " form. However, if the binding is out of balance, too much is kept in storage. That causes you to have low FT4 and FT3, even though the supply of T4 is high and TSH is relatively low. Sex hormones, stress, and starvation affect binding. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 That's the thing that jumped out at me too. Both and Steve have spent untold hours researching the issues involved [i suspect a very valuable resource for many of us] and yet have different needs and results. I wish the " one size fits all " advocates could accept our differences. .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20progress%20maybe%3F> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:09 pm (PDT) > > Which all goes to show how different we all can be and how one > protocol of ANYTHING is > not a one size fits all panacea. > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > > > From: <kennio@... <mailto:kennio%40>> > Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:32 AM > > When I discovered I was magnesium deficient I began to take high dose > magnesium. I confirmed my deficiency with a xray spectrometer test > called EXATEST and then RBC analysis first because I like a tangible > scientific baselines when I restore levels of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 That they work together is well established. Exactly how some of the interactions work together is IMHO unestablished, so unpredictable results can occur [such as yours]. That's one of the reasons some of us cringe when someone " prescribes " for everybody, especially when they're prescribing large doses. Someone could be injured or die. I believe some people may react to things like fillers and colors that do not normally effect most of us. Luck, .. .. > > Posted by: " " kennio@... > <mailto:kennio@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20progress%20maybe%3F> > Kennio <Kennio> > > > Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:42 pm (PDT) > > I believe that the hormones work together. What I don't get is why I > can take T4 and cytomel BUT I can't take Armour. I just don't get why > Armour stresses the adrenals SO much with some people. > > ____________ > ____________________ > From: Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40fairpoint.net>> > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:38:22 PM > Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? > > no you are not treating " side effects " LOL. adrenal glands work with > thyroid--H-P- A axis If you have enough thyroid homrone circulating, > then sometimes other glands cannot keep up, so other deficiencies are > revealed. A good book that explains this is Hormone Solutions by > Thierry Hertoghe MD. In my case I take thyroid, adrenal, sex hormones. > they all work together. > Gracia > > Gracia - you wrote: > > " Armour often reveals other probs, which then need to be treated. " > > This is RICH! Loosely translated this means Armour often has side effects > which then also have to be treated!!!! > > mse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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