Re: heart palpitations. Was: For Venizia

[Guest guest]

Yes. I find it surprising that you think that iodine of all things will

kill MRSA?

MRSA is not some lightweight bug here- it is called a SUPERBUG for a reason.

-- Re: heart palpitations. Was: For Venizia

So you're saying a culture of MRSA would not be killed by administration

of iodine? If so I find that surprising; and a little scary...

..

..

> So, as you say whatever... I just hope you don't get MRSA- because you

> will

> be shocked when your iodine doesn't kill it and you end up in hospital

> fighting for your life....

[Guest guest]

Did you read all the articles?

I actually understand why 'you' don't get it.

> >

> > I just don't understand why you can't get it- MRSA is a superbug

> that has

> > mutated [ it is NOT at all similar anymore to the non-lethal

forms

> of staph

> > aureus] to the point where nothing short of Vancomycin IV will

> work to kill

> > it.

> > So, I guess we will have to agree to disagree...

> >

> > -- Re: heart palpitations. Was: For Venizia

> >

> > I don't " believe " it works, I know it does, and it's not me, it's

> all

> > those darn medical books from years past... Really, the ball is

in

> > your corner. I suspect you won't be able to prove iodine is not

> > effective on staphylococcus aureus bacteria. Hopefully you'll

learn

> > something while you're trying to refute what I've said.

> >

> > Again, MRSA is staphylococcus aureus that is resistant to certain

> > antibiotics including the " cillins " . Now if it was called IRSA

> > (iodine resistent s. aureus), then I'd sit right straight up in

my

> > saddle.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, yes it does kill it, . You can ask my son, who could

have lost his hand...

Sam

>

> So you're saying a culture of MRSA would not be killed by

administration

> of iodine? If so I find that surprising; and a little scary...

>

>

> .

> .

>

> > So, as you say whatever... I just hope you don't get MRSA-

because you

> > will

> > be shocked when your iodine doesn't kill it and you end up in

hospital

> > fighting for your life....

>

[Guest guest]

Jeez. The article from: http://sciencelinks

jp/j-east/article/200606/000020060606A0084390.php

Was a study done on MICE- not humans and it used a MIXTURE of 70 percent

SUGAR and only 3 percent betadine paste on SKIN ulcers.

This still doesn't prove pure iodine can kill MRSA. You are 0 for 2, so far.

The 3rd article : http://sciencelinks

jp/j-east/article/200606/000020060606A0084390.php

Was a study that did NOT use just iodine by itself and it did not state that

MRSA was effectively killed in all 4 patients. All it did state that it was

Suppressed. That is not the same as killing the bug. You do not want a MRSA

stain JUST suppressed in you body, because it can come back,

It used: The combination of vacuum-assisted closure with iodine-containing

cadexomer ointment MAY therefore be effective for suppressing MRSA infection

Cadexomer is a bead-shaped dextrin polymer that cannot be absorbed by

hydrophilic polyurethane dressing material in vacuum-assisted closure.

Cadexomer remains at the wound site and has water-absorbing activity, and is

therefore considered effective for removing redundant interstitial fluid.

(author abst.)

The 4 th aricle: http://tinyurl.com/6atsh7 only showed that it :

Conclusion: Gargling with povidone-iodine before oral intubation reduces the

transport of bacteria into the trachea

That does not mean that the MRSA was effectively killed. When they stated

it reduces that means to me that it did not kill all the MRSA 100%. If they

had concluded it effectively killed the MRSA then that would be a different

story. But it DID NOT state that in their conclusion. Which again is NOT

pure iodine- it is a combination product that has OTHER ingredients in the

mixture. PLUS it was a very small study only 19 patients in that study.

Technically you want a study that has at least 30 patients to be even

considered that it could be replicated and that the results were reliable.

Plus, the study was done on an unique subset of patients. That plays a HUGE

factor in interpretation the results and generalizing then into the general

population.

The 5th article : http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN & cpsidt=1681471

again was NOT done on humans, but with PIGS . AND it did NOT use pure iodine

It uses a iodine containing mixture of cadexomer. Sound familiar..

This what the article stated: CONCLUSIONS. The cadexomer iodine dressing

significantly reduced MRSA and total bacteria in the wounds as compared to

both the no treatment control and vehicle.

No significant differences were observed in the number of bacteria recovered

between the no treatment control and cadexomer (vehicle) treated wounds.

Cadexomer iodine may be an effective agent for preventing proliferation of

MRSA in wounds.It stated it MAY be effective. That certainty does NOT mean

that it KILLS MRSA. For certain. Far from it.

So, after all that you still haven't proven that pure iodine kills MRSA.

So now you are 0 for 5.

Nancie

-- Re: heart palpitations. Was: For Venizia

>

> I don't " believe " it works, I know it does, and it's not me, it's

all

> those darn medical books from years past... Really, the ball is in

> your corner. I suspect you won't be able to prove iodine is not

> effective on staphylococcus aureus bacteria. Hopefully you'll learn

> something while you're trying to refute what I've said.

>

> Again, MRSA is staphylococcus aureus that is resistant to certain

> antibiotics including the " cillins " . Now if it was called IRSA

> (iodine resistent s. aureus), then I'd sit right straight up in my

> saddle.

[Guest guest]

Yes, I read and I stand by my statement. It is mind boggling that you can't

understand that bacteria strains can change thru the decades for the worse.

It is the same concept with the HIV strains. The strains that existed back

in 1950's; 1960's; 1970's; 1980's 1990's are NOT the same strains that exist

TODAY. The strains have mutated 100's of times so that the treatments back

then DO not work either not at all or only work on a few strains. That is

why we had to develop many new treatments because the virus is smarter then

we are and keeps MUTATING.

This same idea applies to the MRSA strains of today. The bug KEEPS MUTATING.

-- Re: heart palpitations. Was: For Venizia

> >

> > I don't " believe " it works, I know it does, and it's not me, it's

> all

> > those darn medical books from years past... Really, the ball is

in

> > your corner. I suspect you won't be able to prove iodine is not

> > effective on staphylococcus aureus bacteria. Hopefully you'll

learn

> > something while you're trying to refute what I've said.

> >

> > Again, MRSA is staphylococcus aureus that is resistant to certain

> > antibiotics including the " cillins " . Now if it was called IRSA

> > (iodine resistent s. aureus), then I'd sit right straight up in

my

> > saddle.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

http://jds.fass.org/cgi/content/full/86/11/3783

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6902747/description.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12657188

http://jcm.asm.org/cgi/reprint/21/6/991.pdf

[Guest guest]

www.donaldmiller.com/Iodine%20Talk.doc

[Guest guest]

-- Re: heart palpitations. Was: For Venizia

This article DOESN'T deal with MRSA - it deals with regualar staph infection

NOT THE SAME SPECIES AT ALL!

http://jds.fass.org/cgi/content/full/86/11/3783

this article deals with DAIRY GOATS AND COWS and the treatment with Masitits

NOT WITH MRSA!

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6902747/description.html

this aricle again does NOT work with MRSA. it is talking about treating

REGULAR staph infections- NOT MRSA!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12657188

this article iwas done in 1985 and again the strains of MRSA then are NOT

the same as the strains today!

http://jcm.asm.org/cgi/reprint/21/6/991.pdf

So, you are again 0 for 4.

Nancie

[Guest guest]

In another post, I mentioned two supplements that worked well for me.

Magnesium Citrate and CoQ10. The peoplewithPVCs@... was very

active when I was on it and these were two popular solutions.

Steve

wrote:

> There are many different things that can cause heart palpitations. Some

> people have extra areas in the heart where nerve centers trigger a

> signal for extra pulses. These centers can be destroyed by something

> like a laser inserted into a vein and run into the heart. But it is

> very delicate work. My nephew has this condition and when he went in

> for the surgery the surgeon found that the extra impulse center was so

> close to the main one that it would be very risky to destroy it for fear

> of damaging the main one. So he has to take medication, as I do.

>

> My heart doctor has suggested the surgery, but he also mentioned a small

> but none zero probability of problems [such as death] so I haven't been

> really enthusiastic about having it. The calcium blocker seems to work

> well and pretty much AFAIK has no detectable side effects.

>

>

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