Re: confused - need help/Venezia

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Yup - I've read STTM -- lots of good stuff there. I don't apparently have

adrenal probs (even Val thinks my #'s are decent), so I don't know why I can't

tolerate Armour. My FT4 was midrange, altho my FT3 was only about 1/3 of the

way up the range, but I felt horrible on Armour, especially as time went on.

I've been on it for a year. I feel so much better off of it,but my new labs say

I certainly need thyroid meds. So, I'm stumped. I just don't fit the patterns

I see on these forums or on STTM. I wonder if I'm allergic to some part of

Armour because I also gained 20 lbs in the year I was on it and that shouldn't

happen -- I should lose weight on thyroid meds if anything. Armour makes me

feel hyper and especially makes my leg muscles weak and wobbly -- and that

really impacts my life negatively --my muscles are much better now even though

I'm certainly hypo at this point. Why can't this be simple??? : ) Amy

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From: venizia1948 <nelsonck@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 1:24:53 PM

Subject: Re: confused - need help

Amy,

You might have adrenal problems. Also you want your Ft4 to be

mid-range to upper and your Ft3 to be at the top of the range. Have

you gone to the site stopthethyroidmadne ss.com? They have loads of

info there for you. Things about adrenals. How much Armour to start

out with. How the sex hormones are also a part of all of this.

Venizia

..

[Guest guest]

I hear ya', easy it is not!

You may be allergic to something in Armour. I know of some who cannot

take it because there is corn in it in the form of Dextrose which in

the processing is associated with corn somehow. Have you tried

Naturethroid. It is supposed to be hypoallergenic. It is basically

the same as Armour except for the fillers. Maybe that is your

problem. I am considering changing to Naturethroid myself because I

have a sulfite sensitivity and corn is sulfited when processed. I am

doing ok on Armour but I think I might do even better on Naturethroid.

Venizia

>

> Yup - I've read STTM -- lots of good stuff there. I don't

apparently have adrenal probs (even Val thinks my #'s are decent), so

I don't know why I can't tolerate Armour. My FT4 was midrange, altho

my FT3 was only about 1/3 of the way up the range, but I felt horrible

on Armour, especially as time went on. I've been on it for a year. I

feel so much better off of it,but my new labs say I certainly need

thyroid meds. So, I'm stumped. I just don't fit the patterns I see

on these forums or on STTM. I wonder if I'm allergic to some part of

Armour because I also gained 20 lbs in the year I was on it and that

shouldn't happen -- I should lose weight on thyroid meds if anything.

Armour makes me feel hyper and especially makes my leg muscles weak

and wobbly -- and that really impacts my life negatively --my muscles

are much better now even though I'm certainly hypo at this point. Why

can't this be simple??? : ) Amy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: venizia1948 <nelsonck@...>

> hypothyroidism

> Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 1:24:53 PM

> Subject: Re: confused - need help

>

>

> Amy,

>

> You might have adrenal problems. Also you want your Ft4 to be

> mid-range to upper and your Ft3 to be at the top of the range. Have

> you gone to the site stopthethyroidmadne ss.com? They have loads of

> info there for you. Things about adrenals. How much Armour to start

> out with. How the sex hormones are also a part of all of this.

>

> Venizia

>

>

> .

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's an interesting idea! I see my Dr in about a week and I'll ask him to let

me try that -- let me know if you try it and like it! He told me in the very

beginning that altho the vast majority of his patients do great with Armour,

there is an occassional person he has to put on something else. I also am

trying to find the best type of allergy tests to do because, although I don't

have a lot of obvious allergies, automimmune probs - like hashis - seem to be

so connected to allergies that I think I'd better look into it. How did you

figure out what you're allergic to and do you think there's a connection to all

the thyroid and adrenal crap we're struggling with? Amy

________________________________

From: venizia1948 <nelsonck@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 2:25:35 PM

Subject: Re: confused - need help/Venezia

I hear ya', easy it is not!

You may be allergic to something in Armour. I know of some who cannot

take it because there is corn in it in the form of Dextrose which in

the processing is associated with corn somehow. Have you tried

Naturethroid. It is supposed to be hypoallergenic. It is basically

the same as Armour except for the fillers. Maybe that is your

problem. I am considering changing to Naturethroid myself because I

have a sulfite sensitivity and corn is sulfited when processed. I am

doing ok on Armour but I think I might do even better on Naturethroid.

Venizia

[Guest guest]

There is a definite connection. If I can find the report I had about

that I will send it to you. I was taking synthroid for many years,

never felt good on it and then found out after calling the company

that synthroid has sulfites in it. I cannot tell you how I made the

connection other than to say I did a lot of research, watch my

symptoms after ingesting things I thought might be a problem and

talking to people in the thyroid group, the adrenal group and the

sulfite group and making all the connections. I know I am not the

only one making these connections either. I wonder what we would find

out if we googled " hypothyroidism and allergies " I don't have time to

do it right now but I think I am going to do that. If you do, let me

know what you find out.

Venizia

>

> That's an interesting idea! I see my Dr in about a week and I'll

ask him to let me try that -- let me know if you try it and like it!

He told me in the very beginning that altho the vast majority of his

patients do great with Armour, there is an occassional person he has

to put on something else. I also am trying to find the best type of

allergy tests to do because, although I don't have a lot of obvious

allergies, automimmune probs - like hashis - seem to be so connected

to allergies that I think I'd better look into it. How did you figure

out what you're allergic to and do you think there's a connection to

all the thyroid and adrenal crap we're struggling with? Amy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: venizia1948 <nelsonck@...>

> hypothyroidism

> Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 2:25:35 PM

> Subject: Re: confused - need help/Venezia

>

>

> I hear ya', easy it is not!

>

> You may be allergic to something in Armour. I know of some who cannot

> take it because there is corn in it in the form of Dextrose which in

> the processing is associated with corn somehow. Have you tried

> Naturethroid. It is supposed to be hypoallergenic. It is basically

> the same as Armour except for the fillers. Maybe that is your

> problem. I am considering changing to Naturethroid myself because I

> have a sulfite sensitivity and corn is sulfited when processed. I am

> doing ok on Armour but I think I might do even better on Naturethroid.

>

> Venizia

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

it is simple. you are undertreated on Armour. FT3 should be just over range,

FT4 should be top of range.

Yup - I've read STTM -- lots of good stuff there. I don't apparently have

adrenal probs (even Val thinks my #'s are decent), so I don't know why I can't

tolerate Armour. My FT4 was midrange, altho my FT3 was only about 1/3 of the way

up the range, but I felt horrible on Armour, especially as time went on. I've

been on it for a year. I feel so much better off of it,but my new labs say I

certainly need thyroid meds. So, I'm stumped. I just don't fit the patterns I

see on these forums or on STTM. I wonder if I'm allergic to some part of Armour

because I also gained 20 lbs in the year I was on it and that shouldn't happen

-- I should lose weight on thyroid meds if anything. Armour makes me feel hyper

and especially makes my leg muscles weak and wobbly -- and that really impacts

my life negatively --my muscles are much better now even though I'm certainly

hypo at this point. Why can't this be simple??? : ) Amy

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Gracia,

I think you have this wrong. I believe Ft3 should be AT the top of

the range and Ft4 should be mid to top of range. I think this is what

it says in Janie's book.

Venizia

>

>

> it is simple. you are undertreated on Armour. FT3 should be just

over range, FT4 should be top of range.

> Yup - I've read STTM -- lots of good stuff there. I don't

apparently have adrenal probs (even Val thinks my #'s are decent), so

I don't know why I can't tolerate Armour. My FT4 was midrange, altho

my FT3 was only about 1/3 of the way up the range, but I felt horrible

on Armour, especially as time went on. I've been on it for a year. I

feel so much better off of it,but my new labs say I certainly need

thyroid meds. So, I'm stumped. I just don't fit the patterns I see on

these forums or on STTM. I wonder if I'm allergic to some part of

Armour because I also gained 20 lbs in the year I was on it and that

shouldn't happen -- I should lose weight on thyroid meds if anything.

Armour makes me feel hyper and especially makes my leg muscles weak

and wobbly -- and that really impacts my life negatively --my muscles

are much better now even though I'm certainly hypo at this point. Why

can't this be simple??? : ) Amy

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Venizia, why do folks say that we need our FT4 to be mid range to upper and

FT3 to be top of range. This flies in the face of the basic fact that we

are all different and top of the range 3 may cause me horrible side effects,

but not you. I should think that we stop increasing our dosages when we

feel well and not when we've reached a number/place that is essentially not

documented anywhere except on these kinds of lists.

I'm always so confused when the bashers (not speaking of you) denounce

'regular' docs for going by the number/range and then they turn around and

give a range that THEY think is best. Seems kinda contradictory to me.

Sometimes my head is spinning from such advice.

Amy, try other meds and work up til you feel you are functioning well. If

you (at that level) are below " normal " , talk to your doc. Maybe you are a

person whose metabolism uses thyroid hormones a little differently than

others of us on this list.

Venizia, again, this isn't a dis at you - its simply an observation on my

part. Your posts are caring and thoughful.

mse

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Amy Green <amygreen53@...> wrote:

> Yup - I've read STTM -- lots of good stuff there. I don't apparently have

> adrenal probs (even Val thinks my #'s are decent), so I don't know why I

> can't tolerate Armour. My FT4 was midrange, altho my FT3 was only about 1/3

> of the way up the range, but I felt horrible on Armour, especially as time

> went on. I've been on it for a year. I feel so much better off of it,but

> my new labs say I certainly need thyroid meds. So, I'm stumped. I just

> don't fit the patterns I see on these forums or on STTM. I wonder if I'm

> allergic to some part of Armour because I also gained 20 lbs in the year I

> was on it and that shouldn't happen -- I should lose weight on thyroid meds

> if anything. Armour makes me feel hyper and especially makes my leg muscles

> weak and wobbly -- and that really impacts my life negatively --my muscles

> are much better now even though I'm certainly hypo at this point. Why can't

> this be simple??? : ) Amy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: venizia1948 <nelsonck@...>

> hypothyroidism

> Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 1:24:53 PM

> Subject: Re: confused - need help

>

>

> Amy,

>

> You might have adrenal problems. Also you want your Ft4 to be

> mid-range to upper and your Ft3 to be at the top of the range. Have

> you gone to the site stopthethyroidmadne ss.com? They have loads of

> info there for you. Things about adrenals. How much Armour to start

> out with. How the sex hormones are also a part of all of this.

>

> Venizia

>

>

> .

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you MS. I know it does sound confusing but this is from people

that have been thru all of this, me included. I could not get rid of

my symptoms at the ranges my doctors said was where I needed to be.

I have been to many and then found a doctor that did not believe in

the status quo and treated to the elimination of symptoms. This is

when I started feeling better. Absolutely we are all different and we

should not all be taking the same dose. This is a range, this is what

many on these list have found to work for them. We do go by how we

feel. One might be better at the mid range, one might be better at

the top range....it is a range, yes we are all different. I go by how

I feel, not just a number. Some take 3,4,5 and even 6 grains of

Armour. I take 2 grains. This is what works for me and this dose keeps

me at the top of the range for Ft3. OThers are at the higher doses

that keep them at the top of the range. Believe me my head was

spinning also when I first started getting into this. This is where

the majority of people started to feel well - higher ranges than were

recommended.

Look what is now happening with the Vitamin D. Look at the higher

ranges they are recommending now. They are finding that higher ranges

are doing amazing things for people from diabetes to heart disease and

more. I feel we need to be open to changes.

I admit I do not have much confidence in doctors because they kept me

ill for so long. When I started to take matters into my own hands, I

started to see a difference in my health and so did my family.

Hope this makes sense to you. BUT you have to do what you feel is

right for you.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , MSE <knockneed@...> wrote:

>

> Venizia, why do folks say that we need our FT4 to be mid range to

upper and

> FT3 to be top of range. This flies in the face of the basic fact

that we

> are all different and top of the range 3 may cause me horrible side

effects,

> but not you. I should think that we stop increasing our dosages when we

> feel well and not when we've reached a number/place that is

essentially not

> documented anywhere except on these kinds of lists.

>

> I'm always so confused when the bashers (not speaking of you) denounce

> 'regular' docs for going by the number/range and then they turn

around and

> give a range that THEY think is best. Seems kinda contradictory to me.

> Sometimes my head is spinning from such advice.

>

> Amy, try other meds and work up til you feel you are functioning

well. If

> you (at that level) are below " normal " , talk to your doc. Maybe you

are a

> person whose metabolism uses thyroid hormones a little differently than

> others of us on this list.

>

> Venizia, again, this isn't a dis at you - its simply an observation

on my

> part. Your posts are caring and thoughful.

>

> mse

>

> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Amy Green <amygreen53@...> wrote:

>

> > Yup - I've read STTM -- lots of good stuff there. I don't

apparently have

> > adrenal probs (even Val thinks my #'s are decent), so I don't know

why I

> > can't tolerate Armour. My FT4 was midrange, altho my FT3 was only

about 1/3

> > of the way up the range, but I felt horrible on Armour, especially

as time

> > went on. I've been on it for a year. I feel so much better off

of it,but

> > my new labs say I certainly need thyroid meds. So, I'm stumped.

I just

> > don't fit the patterns I see on these forums or on STTM. I wonder

if I'm

> > allergic to some part of Armour because I also gained 20 lbs in

the year I

> > was on it and that shouldn't happen -- I should lose weight on

thyroid meds

> > if anything. Armour makes me feel hyper and especially makes my

leg muscles

> > weak and wobbly -- and that really impacts my life negatively --my

muscles

> > are much better now even though I'm certainly hypo at this point.

Why can't

> > this be simple??? : ) Amy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: venizia1948 <nelsonck@...>

> > hypothyroidism

> > Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 1:24:53 PM

> > Subject: Re: confused - need help

> >

> >

> > Amy,

> >

> > You might have adrenal problems. Also you want your Ft4 to be

> > mid-range to upper and your Ft3 to be at the top of the range. Have

> > you gone to the site stopthethyroidmadne ss.com? They have loads of

> > info there for you. Things about adrenals. How much Armour to start

> > out with. How the sex hormones are also a part of all of this.

> >

> > Venizia

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't have Janie's book. actually the peeps who are doing well have FT4 at

top of range, and FT3 is over range. well and that includes me!

Gracia

Gracia,

I think you have this wrong. I believe Ft3 should be AT the top of

the range and Ft4 should be mid to top of range. I think this is what

it says in Janie's book.

Venizia

>

>

> it is simple. you are undertreated on Armour. FT3 should be just

over range, FT4 should be top of range.

>

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