Re: Fw: [thyroidless] Dr Jefferies - Safe Uses of Cortisol

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

I am not disputing that this drug is wonderful for what it is prescribed for,

but the reason that doctors call it the awful wonderful drug is that it has

widespread side effects that are very serious. No, not everyone gets every side

effect.

 

http://www.vitamins-supplements.org/hormones/cortisol.php

Roni

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From: Gracia <circe@...>

Subject: Fw: [thyroidless] Dr Jefferies - Safe Uses of

Cortisol

hypothyroidism

Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 9:28 AM

Ok, opened my new book and I haven't even gotten through the

acknowledgments and have already found a couple of interesting things.

1) Dr Jefferies calls Cortisol the most promising therapeutic agents

of all time.

2) Cortisol has helped patients with crippling rheumatoid arthritis,

lupus, scleroderma, bronchial asthma, hay fever, eczema, and some

types of leukemia. There is even convincing evidence that it can

improve resistance to the common cold and influenza.

But the thing that I thought was important when talking to some docs

that think this is outdated information. (I have heard some say this)

3)The 3rd eddition was written in 2004. So ppbbbffff to those doctors.

More to come.

Darla :-)

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Hi Roni!

This article is discussing side-effects of pharmacological doses. The book

Darla is referring to by Dr. Jefferies is discussing cortisol (hydrocortisone)

in physiological dosages...very, very different. The physiological doses are

only recommended after saliva testing that determines that there is even a need.

Without saliva testing, it would be unadvisable and possibly even

dangerous...for example, my blood serum cortisol test showed that in the

afternoon, my cortisol levels are double the upper limit. I am hoping that

since T3 uses cortisol to get to the cells that my increased Armour dosage will

get my cortisol levels down to where they should be. This seems to be happening

since my temps are no longer shooting up in the afternoons, but I haven't

confirmed this with lab tests yet.

> http://www.vitamins-supplements.org/hormones/cortisol.php

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>

> Roni

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> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

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> From: Gracia <circe@...>

> Subject: Fw: [thyroidless] Dr Jefferies - Safe Uses

of Cortisol

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 9:28 AM

>

>

>

>

>

> Ok, opened my new book and I haven't even gotten through the

> acknowledgments and have already found a couple of interesting things.

>

> 1) Dr Jefferies calls Cortisol the most promising therapeutic agents

> of all time.

>

> 2) Cortisol has helped patients with crippling rheumatoid arthritis,

> lupus, scleroderma, bronchial asthma, hay fever, eczema, and some

> types of leukemia. There is even convincing evidence that it can

> improve resistance to the common cold and influenza.

>

> But the thing that I thought was important when talking to some docs

> that think this is outdated information. (I have heard some say this)

>

> 3)The 3rd eddition was written in 2004. So ppbbbffff to those doctors.

>

> More to come.

>

> Darla :-)

>

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[Guest guest]

Actually Gracia, blood testing for cortisol is not the best method, not because

it is inaccurate, in and of itself. The inaccuracy comes to bear when the

timing is disregarded. Mine, however, was not. It was based on expected ranges

at 3:00 pm draw and drawn at 3:00 pm. Also, the results matched the symptoms I

was experiencing. Blood serum testing for cortisol only provides a 'snapshot'

of the moment, whereas saliva (the most accurate), provides multiple snapshots

throughout the entire cycle. The 24 hour urine test averages the entire cycle,

therefore a person can be low in the morning and high in the afternoon, but end

up appearing to be normal as the low/high effects cancel each other out. As I

think I mentioned before, one should NOT supplement cortisol without first

having a complete saliva panel done, because without this, one would not know

how much, nor when throughout the day, they needed to supplement.

>

>

> blood testing for cortisol is inaccurate. I did blood, saliva and 24 hr

urine and got 3 completely different values---normal, high and low.

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

, you may just have hit on something that I've been trying to process and

decide what my next step should be...I think I'll just take a wait and see

attitude for the time being, now! Thanks... I was not aware that high cortisol

also suppresses natural T4 to T3 conversion.

>

> Strange that cortisol is used to get the T3 into the cells and yet high

cortisol suppresses natural T4 to T3 conversion. Go figure.

[Guest guest]

Yes, but even people with totally destroyed/absent adrenals have side effects

from small replacement doses of cortisol: e.g. weight gain.

Marla

>

> Hi Roni!

> This article is discussing side-effects of pharmacological doses. The book

Darla is referring to by Dr. Jefferies is discussing cortisol (hydrocortisone)

in physiological dosages...very, very different. The physiological doses are

only recommended after saliva testing that determines that there is even a need.

Without

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Where is the cortisol in the body that the body reacts to? Personally I

would suspect in the cells, and it gets to the cells from the blood.

Cortisol in the urine is what the body is dumping. I don't know exactly

to what cortisol in saliva relates to.

I don't think you can get a measurement of cortisol in cells with the

normal means but there's lots I don't know.

Lastly, is the correct term cortisol or cortisone???

..

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>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

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> graciabee <graciabee>

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> Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:38 pm (PDT)

>

>

> blood testing for cortisol is inaccurate. I did blood, saliva and 24

> hr urine and got 3 completely different values---normal, high and low.

> Gracia

>

> Hi Roni!

> This article is discussing side-effects of pharmacological doses. The

> book Darla is referring to by Dr. Jefferies is discussing cortisol

> (hydrocortisone) in physiological dosages...very, very different. The

> physiological doses are only recommended after saliva testing that

> determines that there is even a need. Without saliva testing, it would

> be unadvisable and possibly even dangerous...

> for example, my blood serum cortisol test showed that in the

> afternoon, my cortisol levels are double the upper limit. I am hoping

> that since T3 uses cortisol to get to the cells that my increased

> Armour dosage will get my cortisol levels down to where they should

> be. This seems to be happening since my temps are no longer shooting

> up in the afternoons, but I haven't confirmed this with lab tests yet.

>

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

I tried hydrocortisone and yes I had weight gain. I also started looking like I

had cushings though I did not. I had people ask me if I was on steriods because

of the way my face looked. Not everyone should be using it. I was on a

graduated dose of 2.5mg to where I ended up taking 25mg daily. It was a bad

experience for me.

Venizia

> >

> > Hi Roni!

> > This article is discussing side-effects of pharmacological doses. The book

Darla is referring to by Dr. Jefferies is discussing cortisol (hydrocortisone)

in physiological dosages...very, very different. The physiological doses are

only recommended after saliva testing that determines that there is even a need.

Without

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[Guest guest]

This has also been my observations from reading on the adrenal support boards,

where they discuss physiologic dosing of cortisol. I've also observed that many

who have this result have identified additional deficiencies as well, that when

corrected, resulted in their ability to finally start losing the extra weight.

>

> Yes, but even people with totally destroyed/absent adrenals have side effects

from small replacement doses of cortisol: e.g. weight gain.

> Marla

[Guest guest]

Nancie,

Will primary care doctors do the 24 hr urine? Or do they feel the same way about

it as the saliva test? I have a sister that has ALL the symptoms of adrenal

fatigue and cannot get her doctor to take her seriously. I am so frustrated

with her because she will not even try to find a doctor that will listen to her.

She even agrees that she probably has adrenal fatigue. She looks like death

warmed over. She is not sleeping at night. She says she struggles to stay awake

until around 11pm so maybe she will sleep during the night but will then wake at

3:00am EVERY night. I do not know what to do to convince her she needs to look

into this further. I am really concerned for her. She is also one who suffers

from hypoT and fibromyalgia.

Venizia

>

> From: Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Fw: [thyroidless] Dr Jefferies -

> Safe Uses of Cortisol

> hypothyroidism

> Cc: HypothyroidManagement

> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 2:12 PM

>

> Actually, my thyroid MD who is trained in natural medicine, Prudence Hall,

> says the most accurate is the 24 hour urine test, Not the salvia test,

> because there are proteins in your salvia that bind with the cortisol thus

> making the test inaccurate.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Which is exactly what appears to be happening for me...I'm finally getting

adequate amounts of thyroid replacement and my high cortisol symptoms have

almost entirely disappeared. I haven't had my cortisol levels tested again yet

to confirm this, though. My tests did confirm that my cortisol levels were

double the upper limit in the afternoon prior to my thyroid increase and my

symptoms did match those labs. Stable temps, throughout the day, are also a

known sign that a person has adequate cortisol. I've also, finally achieved

this, whereas before, my temp would shoot way up in the afternoon when I was

experiencing the high cortisol symptoms.

> >

> > Strange that cortisol is used to get the T3 into the cells and yet high

cortisol suppresses natural T4 to T3 conversion. Go figure.

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[Guest guest]

Hi !

Do you have information regarding this? Do you know how this will affect

aldosterone? Most people with high cortisol also have high aldosterone, but

mine happens to be low, so I don't want to lower that any more. So far, all of

my research has ended with treating low cortisol or high cortisol with high

aldosterone.

> >

> > Strange that cortisol is used to get the T3 into the cells and yet high

cortisol suppresses natural T4 to T3 conversion. Go figure.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Steve!

I agree with most of what you've said...I also hope you keep us informed of how

this all progresses for you...if you are able to go off thyroid meds and

supplement only with l-tyroxine and/or coconut oil.

Where I don't agree is with the statement of going to have blood drawn based on

when you think you'll be high or low. I do agree with this to a point, but more

importantly, I believe one needs to know how the lab that is doing the testing

bases their results. For instance, the lab my doctor uses, does 8:00 am and

3:00 pm; they will also only run the test if the draw is done precisely at one

of those times. So for instance, my doctor recently ordered one of those tests

at 3:15 pm and the lab gave me the option of having blood drawn for the tests

that weren't time based and come back the next morning for an 8:00 am draw, or

have it all done the next morning at 8:00 am, which is what I opted to do.

Because of these variations from one lab to the next, the only way to know that

we are getting the most accurate results possible is to also know what standards

are being used. I don't know how a lab that has only one range that has no

relationship to time can have much, if any, degree of accuracy for the results,

because you wouldn't really be able to relate your results to a given range

even, given that cortisol is suppose to be highest in the morning and decline

throughout the day until it is at its lowest at night...

> ...Blood ranges need to based on time of blood draw. Right

> now that's not true. The lows of the afternoon and highs of the morning

> are used for the high/low range which means if your low but get blood

> work drawn at 8:00 AM, your low status will not show up because it will

> be compared to the normal low of the afternoon. If you cortisol is high

> and you get your blood drawn in the afternoon, it will be compared with

> the high of the morning which is much higher than the afternoon and you

> will be considered normal.

>

> So, if you are having a blood cortisol done AND you think you will be

> high, go right when the lab opens since that will be highest reading for

> the day with respect to the lab's hours. If you think you will be low,

> go just before the lab closes since that will be your lowest point with

> respect to the lab's hours.

> ...

> Blood work with ranges set for the time of blood draw have the potential

> to be the most accurate but so far, those ranges are still broad enough

> to encompasses the entire day. There is an AM/PM cortisol draw but

> again, those ranges are still to wide. When one goes in to be tested

> can have to much of an impact on the outcome.

>

>

> Steve

[Guest guest]

Some of these people on the adrenal board do supplement iodine as part of their

regimen, and do find that it is helping them. My husband and I have started

iodine as well (with my doctor's approval), but so far, I haven't noticed any

improvement in either of us. If anything, I am tireder after taking it. I fall

asleep within a couple hours after I take it if I don't stay on my feet and keep

moving, which my back won't take. I had hoped that the iodine supplementation

would eventually allow me to reduce my thyroid meds, but so far, it's not

looking like that is going to happen...then again, they say sleep is when our

bodies do the most healing, so maybe I just need to go with the flow and sleep a

lot allowing my body to heal all it needs to. After years of no dreams, since

the increase in thyroid meds, I finally started dreaming again. In the last 24

hours, I dreamed a lot! I didn't start supplementing the iodine until I had

worked my way up on the Armour, so we're in our 2nd month...so far, with no

detox symptoms either, but I also started us with support supplements at the

same time.

> >

> > Yes, but even people with totally destroyed/absent adrenals have side

effects from small replacement doses of cortisol: e.g. weight gain.

> > Marla

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Hi Gracia!

From my observations on the adrenal board, it's more of a swollen belly effect

that some have as a result of supplementing cortisol. Those who don't

supplement, also sometimes experience this if they have high cortisol

naturally...I'm not sure if it's actually weight or more of a bloating effect...

> >

> > Hi Roni!

> > This article is discussing side-effects of pharmacological doses. The book

Darla is referring to by Dr. Jefferies is discussing cortisol (hydrocortisone)

in physiological dosages...very, very different. The physiological doses are

only recommended after saliva testing that determines that there is even a need.

Without

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[Guest guest]

I don't know about medical science, but coming from an applied science

(electronics/electrical) background, when there is a skew involved, that is

taken into account in the calculations...science being what it is, I would think

this would apply to medical science as well.

>

> Actually, my thyroid MD who is trained in natural medicine, Prudence Hall,

> says the most accurate is the 24 hour urine test, Not the salvia test,

> because there are proteins in your salvia that bind with the cortisol thus

> making the test inaccurate.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nancie.

Venizia

>

> Hi venizia-

> I am not sure. It depends if the PCP believes in natural medicine. The lab

> that it was sent to, was not a local lab. It was I believe in Washington

> state. Prudence hall told me that not too many local labs do this kind of

> testing and that is why she send it out of state.

> I posted the name a while back on the list, so I will have to try and find

> that email. I don't have any of the paperwork anymore. But, I am due to go

> in to recheck my labs for the new year. I could find out then.

> There is a book called " From Fatigued to Fantastic " by Teitelbaum, MD

> that talks about

> Fibro and chronic fatigue. I recommend that either your sister get it or

> both of you get it. I have the book because I too have fibro and chronic

> fatigue and lupus.

> Here is the direct link at amazon.com

> http://www.amazon

> com/Fatigued-Fantastic--Teitelbaum/dp/1583332898/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8

> s=books & qid=1238009353 & sr=8-1

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> hugs,

> nancie

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[Guest guest]

Research at sleep labs show that while some people claim to never dream

if they are awakened at various times and immediately questions there is

basically _always_ some kind of dreams or mentation going on. What

actually happens is that in those who don't remember dreams the

conversion from short term to long term memory does not occur, so the

dreams are forgotten.

The fact is you are probably _never_ actually unconscious when you

sleep. What happens is that when you go to sleep you transition from a

subjective mental state that is created from data input from the

objective universe to a subjective mental state in which the input is

created within the brain. Although external stimuli may be included.

Since the critical faculty tends to be disabled at such times our dreams

can be totally bizarre, while the brain does the best it can to make

some kind of " story " to fit the often disjointed and chaotic input.

I have personally done a lot of experimenting with lucid dreams and the

hypnogogic state and have used the latter to go directly from the awake

state to the asleep/dreaming state with no loss of consciousness or of

my train of thought many dozens or hundreds of times. Unfortunately I

can no longer do so.

I would suspect that in your case something has happened that

facilitates the conversion of short term memory to long term memory, so

you now remember your dreams.

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>

> Posted by: " cindy.seeley " cindy.seeley@...

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> cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley>

>

>

> Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:54 am (PDT)

>

> Some of these people on the adrenal board do supplement iodine as part

> of their regimen, and do find that it is helping them. My husband and

> I have started iodine as well (with my doctor's approval), but so far,

> I haven't noticed any improvement in either of us. If anything, I am

> tireder after taking it. I fall asleep within a couple hours after I

> take it if I don't stay on my feet and keep moving, which my back

> won't take. I had hoped that the iodine supplementation would

> eventually allow me to reduce my thyroid meds, but so far, it's not

> looking like that is going to happen...then again, they say sleep is

> when our bodies do the most healing, so maybe I just need to go with

> the flow and sleep a lot allowing my body to heal all it needs to.

> After years of no dreams, since the increase in thyroid meds, I

> finally started dreaming again. In the last 24 hours, I dreamed a lot!

> I didn't start supplementing the iodine until I had worked my way up

> on the Armour, so we're in our 2nd month...so far, with no detox

> symptoms either, but I also started us with support supplements at the

> same time.

>

[Guest guest]

This is possible because I've also regained my long term memory (while awake)

capabilities as well!

> ...

> I would suspect that in your case something has happened that

> facilitates the conversion of short term memory to long term memory, so

> you now remember your dreams.

>

>

[Guest guest]

So are you saying this test was based on 3 8-hour batches of urine collected

over a 24 hour period?

>

> That is not correct. I have the results and they broken down to 8 hour

> segments. One for the AM, the afternoon and the evening.

> I also once again defer to my physician who is a MD Trained in Natural

> Medicine and she knows what she is talking about....

[Guest guest]

" Proven " and " proved " have different meanings to different people. Many

who use the terms loosely do not have more than a vague concept of a

rigorous valid proof...If even that. If you have one for your

contention it might help provide support for you if you state it.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Mia Harrod " miaharrod@...

>

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> mia2amazeu <mia2amazeu>

>

>

> Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:15 pm (PDT)

>

> The best test for Cortisol is saliva done 4X in a day, that has been

> proven

> over and over again.

>

> Mia

>

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> From: hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> [mailto:hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>] On Behalf Of Nancie

> Barnett

> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:11 AM

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Subject: Re: Re: Fw: [thyroidless] Dr Jefferies -

> Safe Uses of Cortisol

>

> Not according to my physician whose speciality is Natural medicine. I

> think

> she knows her stuff and I defer to her. The point is that the salvia has

> proteins in it and those proteins bind to the cortisol which interferes

> with

> the results. Ergo you are getting skewed results.

[Guest guest]

I do sometimes become lucid, but seldom if ever have the crystal clear

mental state that I could formerly attain. Tuesday night I became aware

I was dreaming, but the scenery and my thinking capability seemed to be

equally muddled. Most often I will recognize a dream state as being

" different " , and will remember that here things are simply " different " .

I can float or fly, for example. And roads and streets will never stay

put so that I can navigate to somewhere desired. But this will often

happen without my ever making the connection, " This is a dream... " .

And I can't do a darned [controlled] thing with hypnogogic images; as a

matter of fact I can seldom get more than a glimpse of one, if even

that. Originally it took me many months to develop that skill, and

after not using it for years I've found it basically totally gone.

>

> Posted by: " " kennio@...

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> Kennio <Kennio>

>

>

> Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:17 am (PDT)

>

> I was a very active lucid dreamer too. Its been quite a while though.

>

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> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:10:28 PM

> Subject: Re: Fw: [thyroidless] Dr Jefferies -

> Safe Uses of Cortisol

>

> Research at sleep labs show that while some people claim to never dream

> if they are awakened at various times and immediately questions there is

> basically _always_ some kind of dreams or mentation going on. What

> actually happens is that in those who don't remember dreams the

> conversion from short term to long term memory does not occur, so the

> dreams are forgotten.

>

> The fact is you are probably _never_ actually unconscious when you

> sleep. What happens is that when you go to sleep you transition from a

> subjective mental state that is created from data input from the

> objective universe to a subjective mental state in which the input is

> created within the brain. Although external stimuli may be included.

> Since the critical faculty tends to be disabled at such times our dreams

> can be totally bizarre, while the brain does the best it can to make

> some kind of " story " to fit the often disjointed and chaotic input.

>

> I have personally done a lot of experimenting with lucid dreams and the

> hypnogogic state and have used the latter to go directly from the awake

> state to the asleep/dreaming state with no loss of consciousness or of

> my train of thought many dozens or hundreds of times. Unfortunately I

> can no longer do so.

>

> I would suspect that in your case something has happened that

> facilitates the conversion of short term memory to long term memory, so

> you now remember your dreams.

>

>

[Guest guest]

So one specimen collected over a 24 hour time frame? This sounds like they just

extracted 3 samples from the same specimen and got three different results? How

accurate can that be? It would seem like an average of the 3 would be more

accurate, overall...?

>

> No. It is the way they do the calculations. All I know is I got 3 results.

> Prudence Hall, MD swears by them and she says other top thyroid MD [ can't

> remember his name at the moment]who uses armour also uses this testing

> method. I think if the salvia method worked she would use it, but

> obliviously it doesn't, because the proteins in the salvia bind with the

> cortisol and skew the results.

> The other MD in the office doesn't use the salvia testing either. So

> apparently they are both in agreement.

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> So are you saying this test was based on 3 8-hour batches of urine collected

> over a 24 hour period?

>

[Guest guest]

Lugols from the Breath of Life... www.thebreathoflife.net

I bought Dr. Brownstein's book on Amazon and it was shipped from the Breath of

Life along with a bottle of Lugols (I actually ordered a 2nd bottle at the same

time, figuring if we didn't use it orally, it would still be good for external

use). I started dreaming before I started the iodine; after my Armour was

increased to be precise. I didn't start the iodine until after I had adjusted

to the increased Armour. Most people that take iodine seem to claim it makes

them have lots more energy, but I always get really tired after I take it and

often end up falling asleep within minutes after I sit down. I have a bad back,

so I am suppose to alternate between sitting/standing or lay down, every 15

minutes. I cannot stand in place more than 5 minutes without paying the

consequences...I have a 5 pound weight restriction, with up to 10 pounds

occasionally.

>

>

> what kind of iodine? lugols/Iodoral? those are the the recommended ones.

then there is the dose--IMO minimum is 50mg. I dreamed a lot when I first

started iodine at 50mg.

> gracia

[Guest guest]

Hi Gracia

I am doing so well since starting on iodine. However, I am still struggling

with adrenals and dont know where to buy decent Cortef without a prescription as

my doctor has not agreed to this. Initially I had very high antibodies and

through high doses of T3/T4 my doctor managed to get my antibodies down to

virtually zero. Up till then I had been too fearful of trying iodine as

everyone always said there would be worsening health. Then I figured that since

my antibodies were down I could start the iodine. I started with the drops, and

on your recommendations slowly increased and I am comfortable on 11 drops per

day. I found when I went to 13 drops per day (even 12) was too much as I broke

out in spots especially on my face.

I am also really interested in what you say about sex hormones. What are they;

what doses does one take, and finally which website to get these from that ship

internationally.

Blessings to everyone and may we continue to learn so much from each other's

experiences.

Nora.

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I don't think T3 and T4 control antibodies; if that's wrong perhaps

someone will correct it. They naturally vary with the course of

Hashimoto's. Iodine has been shown in well controlled studies to be

associated with worsening of Hashimoto's condition.

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> Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:04 am (PDT)

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> Hi Gracia

>

> I am doing so well since starting on iodine. However, I am still

> struggling with adrenals and dont know where to buy decent Cortef

> without a prescription as my doctor has not agreed to this. Initially

> I had very high antibodies and through high doses of T3/T4 my doctor

> managed to get my antibodies down to virtually zero. Up till then I

> had been too fearful of trying iodine as everyone always said there

> would be worsening health. Then I figured that since my antibodies

> were down I could start the iodine. I started with the drops, and on

> your recommendations slowly increased and I am comfortable on 11 drops

> per day. I found when I went to 13 drops per day (even 12) was too

> much as I broke out in spots especially on my face.

>

> I am also really interested in what you say about sex hormones. What

> are they; what doses does one take, and finally which website to get

> these from that ship internationally.

>

> Blessings to everyone and may we continue to learn so much from each

> other's experiences.

>

> Nora.