Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange County area

[Guest guest]

Hi.

I would like to ask to anybody that has a good doctor in the area of Los

Angeles / Orange County, CA.

Like I said on previous posts I had problems with my doctor and I am looking

for a new one. I gave called some doctors from the yellow pages, but I see no

Thyroid specialists, and the appointments are scheduled weeks in advance. I am

still waiting for a scheduled one on April 17, but I need to see someone else

earlier, I ran out of Armour Thyroid already and I am falling through the

cracks.

Please help, let me know a good Thyroid doctor so I can schedule an

appointment and get my medication.

My attempts to purchase Armour Thyroid on the net have been useless, no

replies whatsoever from said businesses.

.______________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Here is a link for my doctor that I recommend. He prescribes Armour, and

bio identicals for men and women. Also has a good compounding pharmacy.

Tests for vitamin D, reverse T3, etc. Both my wife and I see him with

very good results. He will listen to you and get things figured out.

http://www.mitznerfamilymedicine.com/AbouttheDoctor.asp

Ask for or leave a message for Randy, he is the coordinator for this

part of Dr. Mitzner's practice. Dr. Mitzner has a regular medical

practice where he sees patients M-F, and takes insurance for them. The

bio identicals and anti aging medicine is I believe on Saturdays and

evenings. No insurance accepted.

Neil

Masiste wrote:

>

> Hi.

>

> I would like to ask to anybody that has a good doctor in the area of

> Los Angeles / Orange County, CA.

>

> Like I said on previous posts I had problems with my doctor and I am

> looking for a new one. I gave called some doctors from the yellow

> pages, but I see no Thyroid specialists, and the appointments are

> scheduled weeks in advance. I am still waiting for a scheduled one on

> April 17, but I need to see someone else earlier, I ran out of Armour

> Thyroid already and I am falling through the cracks.

>

> Please help, let me know a good Thyroid doctor so I can schedule an

> appointment and get my medication.

>

> My attempts to purchase Armour Thyroid on the net have been useless,

> no replies whatsoever from said businesses.

>

> .______________________________________________________

>

>

[Guest guest]

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I have an excellent natural medicine provider. Her name is prudence hall, MD

here is her website: http://www.thehallcenter.com

Here is an alternative one. Ted Friedman at : http://goodhormonehealth

com/index.html

Nancie

-- Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange County

area

Hi.

I would like to ask to anybody that has a good doctor in the area of Los

Angeles / Orange County, CA.

Like I said on previous posts I had problems with my doctor and I am looking

for a new one. I gave called some doctors from the yellow pages, but I see

no Thyroid specialists, and the appointments are scheduled weeks in advance.

I am still waiting for a scheduled one on April 17, but I need to see

someone else earlier, I ran out of Armour Thyroid already and I am falling

through the cracks.

Please help, let me know a good Thyroid doctor so I can schedule an

appointment and get my medication.

My attempts to purchase Armour Thyroid on the net have been useless, no

replies whatsoever from said businesses.

.______________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I think Nancie's doc is in that area but then again I could be completely

wrong!

CW

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-- Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange County

area

Hi.

I would like to ask to anybody that has a good doctor in the area of Los

Angeles / Orange County, CA.

Like I said on previous posts I had problems with my doctor and I am looking

for a new one. I gave called some doctors from the yellow pages, but I see

no Thyroid specialists, and the appointments are scheduled weeks in advance.

I am still waiting for a scheduled one on April 17, but I need to see

someone else earlier, I ran out of Armour Thyroid already and I am falling

through the cracks.

Please help, let me know a good Thyroid doctor so I can schedule an

appointment and get my medication.

My attempts to purchase Armour Thyroid on the net have been useless, no

replies whatsoever from said businesses.

.______________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I guess I should have scrolled down to see the rest of the messages b4 I

answered for you ; )

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-- Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange County

area

Hi.

I would like to ask to anybody that has a good doctor in the area of Los

Angeles / Orange County, CA.

Like I said on previous posts I had problems with my doctor and I am looking

for a new one. I gave called some doctors from the yellow pages, but I see

no Thyroid specialists, and the appointments are scheduled weeks in advance.

I am still waiting for a scheduled one on April 17, but I need to see

someone else earlier, I ran out of Armour Thyroid already and I am falling

through the cracks.

Please help, let me know a good Thyroid doctor so I can schedule an

appointment and get my medication.

My attempts to purchase Armour Thyroid on the net have been useless, no

replies whatsoever from said businesses.

.______________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Nothing personal , but Dr. Hall's fees seem very excessive. On her

website she quotes $850 for a woman's first visit, plus labs, plus meds.

That would almost guarantee a $1500 first visit. It seems a shame since

bio identicals and Armour are the cheapest substances around (no major

pharma patents). And any doctor that offers facials, colon hydro

therapy, and her " lightness of being " treatments automatically makes me

think " trust fund boutique medicine " to myself.

I have also heard that Dr. Friedman does not prescribe Armour and takes

Levoxyl himself.

Neil

Nancie Barnett wrote:

>

> -

> I have an excellent natural medicine provider. Her name is prudence

> hall, MD

> here is her website: http://www.thehallcenter.com

> <http://www.thehallcenter.com>

> Here is an alternative one. Ted Friedman at : http://goodhormonehealth

> <http://goodhormonehealth>

> com/index.html

> Nancie

> -- Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange

> County

> area

>

> Hi.

>

> I would like to ask to anybody that has a good doctor in the area of Los

> Angeles / Orange County, CA.

>

> Like I said on previous posts I had problems with my doctor and I am

> looking

> for a new one. I gave called some doctors from the yellow pages, but I see

> no Thyroid specialists, and the appointments are scheduled weeks in

> advance.

> I am still waiting for a scheduled one on April 17, but I need to see

> someone else earlier, I ran out of Armour Thyroid already and I am falling

> through the cracks.

>

> Please help, let me know a good Thyroid doctor so I can schedule an

> appointment and get my medication.

>

> My attempts to purchase Armour Thyroid on the net have been useless, no

> replies whatsoever from said businesses.

>

> .______________________________________________________

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Crystal-

No worries!

-- Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange County

area

Hi.

I would like to ask to anybody that has a good doctor in the area of Los

Angeles / Orange County, CA.

Like I said on previous posts I had problems with my doctor and I am looking

for a new one. I gave called some doctors from the yellow pages, but I see

no Thyroid specialists, and the appointments are scheduled weeks in advance.

I am still waiting for a scheduled one on April 17, but I need to see

someone else earlier, I ran out of Armour Thyroid already and I am falling

through the cracks.

Please help, let me know a good Thyroid doctor so I can schedule an

appointment and get my medication.

My attempts to purchase Armour Thyroid on the net have been useless, no

replies whatsoever from said businesses.

.______________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

For thyroid it is was much less. The meds that you are talking about are

supplements which you are Not required to buy there. She gives you written

prescriptions for your thyroid meds. I have a scrip for armour thru

prudence. It is Not 1500. For a visit. Labs are not that much and if you

have private insurance you can bill your insurance to pick up some of the

cost. They will give you an insurance form to submit. I always submit mine

and I get a portion back. So, in the end it ends up Not being that expensive

Plus, if you want to go to another lab for your labs, she will give you a

form to take.

For thyroid, she orders, the frees, RT3 , antibodies and possibly the

totals. She does not use the tsh. It is up to the patient what other labs

you want to have. She does not make you get any labs. If you don't need labs

then she doesn't order them.

Prudence does not take insurance, because she was not getting reimbursed

properly, I can certainly relate. My own reimbursements have dropped

dramatically.

All of it is tax deductible on your taxes and for the thyroid patients you

only need to go once , then she can work with you over the phone or email or

via your PCP. She has many patients that are from out of town and only see

her once or once a year. I live in pacific palisades which is near Santa

and I only see her once a year. The other times, I email her or call

her.

It think it is worth it if you can get what you want. If you think about it,

you are paying a lot of money to keep going to providers who won't write for

what you want especially if you add in the cost of gas, mileage, parking

fees, waste of your time, etc.

The other natural medicine treatments are beneficial for your overall health

But are not required for you to get. Nothing is Ever pushed there. It is

offered and it is up to the person to make the choice. I am going to get an

IV vitamin infusion, because I am not absorbing thru my GI system. That is

the way I get my iron as well.

Prudence is always booked, so it is clear that other people believe that she

is the right choice for them. One of them is a dear family friend, she is my

mom's best friend and she has always been into natural medicine. She

recommended prudence hall to me.

Nancie

-- Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange

> County

> area

>

> Hi.

>

> I would like to ask to anybody that has a good doctor in the area of Los

> Angeles / Orange County, CA.

>

> Like I said on previous posts I had problems with my doctor and I am

> looking

> for a new one. I gave called some doctors from the yellow pages, but I see

> no Thyroid specialists, and the appointments are scheduled weeks in

> advance.

> I am still waiting for a scheduled one on April 17, but I need to see

> someone else earlier, I ran out of Armour Thyroid already and I am falling

> through the cracks.

>

> Please help, let me know a good Thyroid doctor so I can schedule an

> appointment and get my medication.

>

> My attempts to purchase Armour Thyroid on the net have been useless, no

> replies whatsoever from said businesses.

>

> .______________________________________________________

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Neil-

Female Medical Visit

$850 includes medical consultation with hormone analysis, thryoflex,

nutrition consultation, pelvic ultrasound & pap if needed.

This is NOT a thyroid eval. This is for a complete yearly visit. Big

difference.

Nancie

-- Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange

> County

> area

>

> Hi.

>

> I would like to ask to anybody that has a good doctor in the area of Los

> Angeles / Orange County, CA.

>

> Like I said on previous posts I had problems with my doctor and I am

> looking

> for a new one. I gave called some doctors from the yellow pages, but I see

> no Thyroid specialists, and the appointments are scheduled weeks in

> advance.

> I am still waiting for a scheduled one on April 17, but I need to see

> someone else earlier, I ran out of Armour Thyroid already and I am falling

> through the cracks.

>

> Please help, let me know a good Thyroid doctor so I can schedule an

> appointment and get my medication.

>

> My attempts to purchase Armour Thyroid on the net have been useless, no

> replies whatsoever from said businesses.

>

> .______________________________________________________

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The two anti aging doctors I have visited (Dr. no in Monterey and

Dr. Mitzner in Temecula) both charge $450 for a 1.5 to 2 hour intensive

first visit that included a physical exam and complete background. All

hormones are balanced with bio identicals since they often interact and

work together, both doctors are clear this is the best path. Follow up

visits with both are $250. Patient gets a script, no overpriced in house

pharmacy. No overpriced supplements are sold through the doctor at all,

just written down on recommendation sheet so patient can get a good

price on their own. Dr. Mitzner only charged me $250 for a first visit,

they were nice enough to call it a " transfer " since I had seen an anti

aging doctor before. He offers discounted labs at his wholesale price

with blood draws everywhere, and the compounded pharmacy that he gives

access to (it's not his, just one he uses) is the right there with

cheapest I have ever seen. Or he will let you run your own labs or

pharmacy.

I'm just a little leery of overpriced doctors. My wife visited the

Holtorf clinic in Torrance. Both visits were over $1000, I think one was

$1400. They also charge $65 a month for their own time released T3 med.

Places like that prey on people that don't feel well.

I certainly agree that insurance cannot be accepted for such treatments.

Preventive medicine is not something insurance companies pay for. They

pay for disease, and when you get good and sick...then they will pay.

Anyway, please know this is not a personal attack. More of a rant

against some doctors out there. I know you are trying to share

information and I appreciate your posts....

Neil

Nancie Barnett wrote:

>

> Neil-

> Female Medical Visit

> $850 includes medical consultation with hormone analysis, thryoflex,

> nutrition consultation, pelvic ultrasound & pap if needed.

>

>

> This is NOT a thyroid eval. This is for a complete yearly visit. Big

> difference.

> Nancie

> -- Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange

> > County

> > area

> >

> > Hi.

> >

> > I would like to ask to anybody that has a good doctor in the area of

> Los

> > Angeles / Orange County, CA.

> >

> > Like I said on previous posts I had problems with my doctor and I am

> > looking

> > for a new one. I gave called some doctors from the yellow pages, but

> I see

> > no Thyroid specialists, and the appointments are scheduled weeks in

> > advance.

> > I am still waiting for a scheduled one on April 17, but I need to see

> > someone else earlier, I ran out of Armour Thyroid already and I am

> falling

> > through the cracks.

> >

> > Please help, let me know a good Thyroid doctor so I can schedule an

> > appointment and get my medication.

> >

> > My attempts to purchase Armour Thyroid on the net have been useless, no

> > replies whatsoever from said businesses.

> >

> > .______________________________________________________

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The two anti aging doctors I have visited (Dr. no in Monterey and

Dr. Mitzner in Temecula) both charge $450 for a 1.5 to 2 hour intensive

first visit that included a physical exam and complete background. All

hormones are balanced with bio identicals since they often interact and

work together, both doctors are clear this is the best path. Follow up

visits with both are $250. Patient gets a script, no overpriced in house

pharmacy. No overpriced supplements are sold through the doctor at all,

just written down on recommendation sheet so patient can get a good

price on their own. Dr. Mitzner only charged me $250 for a first visit,

they were nice enough to call it a " transfer " since I had seen an anti

aging doctor before. He offers discounted labs at his wholesale price

with blood draws everywhere, and the compounded pharmacy that he gives

access to (it's not his, just one he uses) is the right there with

cheapest I have ever seen. Or he will let you run your own labs or

pharmacy.

I'm just a little leery of overpriced doctors. My wife visited the

Holtorf clinic in Torrance. Both visits were over $1000, I think one was

$1400. They also charge $65 a month for their own time released T3 med.

Places like that prey on people that don't feel well.

I certainly agree that insurance cannot be accepted for such treatments.

Preventive medicine is not something insurance companies pay for. They

pay for disease, and when you get good and sick...then they will pay.

Anyway, please know this is not a personal attack. More of a rant

against some doctors out there. I know you are trying to share

information and I appreciate your posts....

Neil

Nancie Barnett wrote:

>

> Neil-

> Female Medical Visit

> $850 includes medical consultation with hormone analysis, thryoflex,

> nutrition consultation, pelvic ultrasound & pap if needed.

>

>

> This is NOT a thyroid eval. This is for a complete yearly visit. Big

> difference.

> Nancie

> -- Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange

> > County

> > area

> >

> > Hi.

> >

> > I would like to ask to anybody that has a good doctor in the area of

> Los

> > Angeles / Orange County, CA.

> >

> > Like I said on previous posts I had problems with my doctor and I am

> > looking

> > for a new one. I gave called some doctors from the yellow pages, but

> I see

> > no Thyroid specialists, and the appointments are scheduled weeks in

> > advance.

> > I am still waiting for a scheduled one on April 17, but I need to see

> > someone else earlier, I ran out of Armour Thyroid already and I am

> falling

> > through the cracks.

> >

> > Please help, let me know a good Thyroid doctor so I can schedule an

> > appointment and get my medication.

> >

> > My attempts to purchase Armour Thyroid on the net have been useless, no

> > replies whatsoever from said businesses.

> >

> > .______________________________________________________

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Neil-

Fine. Whatever. All I know is prudence Hall is a great MD. I spent around

450 for an 90 minute session with her and she gave me a script for armour.

That fee included labs. I ended up only paying 200 after my insurx

reimbursed me.

That fee is for a Women's health exam consultation which are Always more

expensive than a Man's Consultation exam. That hormone testing that is

included in her fee is very expensive. Those labs are pricey. I should know

I do them all the time, both the exams and I order the labs. Consultations

are Always more expensive than regular follow up visits. Prudence goes

over each cost and you have the option of declining any of them.

Plus, the fact that the Cost of Living is higher in Santa than it is

in Temecula and Monterey.

I just saw an urologist and his fee was 600 dollars alone. That didn't

include lab testing which consisted of hemorrhaging into a urine cup and it

certainly didn't include all the items that prudence offers.

-- Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange

> > County

> > area

> >

> > Hi.

> >

> > I would like to ask to anybody that has a good doctor in the area of

> Los

> > Angeles / Orange County, CA.

> >

> > Like I said on previous posts I had problems with my doctor and I am

> > looking

> > for a new one. I gave called some doctors from the yellow pages, but

> I see

> > no Thyroid specialists, and the appointments are scheduled weeks in

> > advance.

> > I am still waiting for a scheduled one on April 17, but I need to see

> > someone else earlier, I ran out of Armour Thyroid already and I am

> falling

> > through the cracks.

> >

> > Please help, let me know a good Thyroid doctor so I can schedule an

> > appointment and get my medication.

> >

> > My attempts to purchase Armour Thyroid on the net have been useless, no

> > replies whatsoever from said businesses.

> >

> > .______________________________________________________

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Neil-

Fine. Whatever. All I know is prudence Hall is a great MD. I spent around

450 for an 90 minute session with her and she gave me a script for armour.

That fee included labs. I ended up only paying 200 after my insurx

reimbursed me.

That fee is for a Women's health exam consultation which are Always more

expensive than a Man's Consultation exam. That hormone testing that is

included in her fee is very expensive. Those labs are pricey. I should know

I do them all the time, both the exams and I order the labs. Consultations

are Always more expensive than regular follow up visits. Prudence goes

over each cost and you have the option of declining any of them.

Plus, the fact that the Cost of Living is higher in Santa than it is

in Temecula and Monterey.

I just saw an urologist and his fee was 600 dollars alone. That didn't

include lab testing which consisted of hemorrhaging into a urine cup and it

certainly didn't include all the items that prudence offers.

-- Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange

> > County

> > area

> >

> > Hi.

> >

> > I would like to ask to anybody that has a good doctor in the area of

> Los

> > Angeles / Orange County, CA.

> >

> > Like I said on previous posts I had problems with my doctor and I am

> > looking

> > for a new one. I gave called some doctors from the yellow pages, but

> I see

> > no Thyroid specialists, and the appointments are scheduled weeks in

> > advance.

> > I am still waiting for a scheduled one on April 17, but I need to see

> > someone else earlier, I ran out of Armour Thyroid already and I am

> falling

> > through the cracks.

> >

> > Please help, let me know a good Thyroid doctor so I can schedule an

> > appointment and get my medication.

> >

> > My attempts to purchase Armour Thyroid on the net have been useless, no

> > replies whatsoever from said businesses.

> >

> > .______________________________________________________

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Neil-

All I know is prudence Hall is a great MD. I spent around 450 for an 90

minute session with her and she gave me a script for armour. That fee

included labs. I ended up only paying 200 after my insurx reimbursed me.

That fee is for a Women's health exam consultation which are Always more

expensive than a Man's Consultation exam. That hormone testing that is

included in her fee is very expensive. Those labs are pricey. I should know

I do them all the time, both the exams and I order the labs. Consultations

are Always more expensive than regular follow up visits. Prudence goes

over each cost and you have the option of declining any of them.

Plus, the fact that the Cost of Living is higher in Santa than it is

in Temecula and Monterey.

I just saw an urologist and his fee was 600 dollars alone and all i spent

with him was 15 minutes. That didn't include lab testing which consisted of

hemorrhaging into a urine cup and it certainly didn't include all the items

that prudence offers.

I only pay 250 for a follow up visit and then after blue cross reimburses me

I end up paying only 100. Since I don't have to see her but once a year,

that is not that bad of a fee. It is worth it for me to be able to get my

scrip for armour and not have to worry about some idiot fighting me all the

time about how low my tsh is because prudence doesn't use the TSH. She goes

by your symptoms. Prudence herself is on 5 grains of armour.

Nancie

-- Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange

> > County

> > area

> >

> > Hi.

> >

> > I would like to ask to anybody that has a good doctor in the area of

> Los

> > Angeles / Orange County, CA.

> >

> > Like I said on previous posts I had problems with my doctor and I am

> > looking

> > for a new one. I gave called some doctors from the yellow pages, but

> I see

> > no Thyroid specialists, and the appointments are scheduled weeks in

> > advance.

> > I am still waiting for a scheduled one on April 17, but I need to see

> > someone else earlier, I ran out of Armour Thyroid already and I am

> falling

> > through the cracks.

> >

> > Please help, let me know a good Thyroid doctor so I can schedule an

> > appointment and get my medication.

> >

> > My attempts to purchase Armour Thyroid on the net have been useless, no

> > replies whatsoever from said businesses.

> >

> > .______________________________________________________

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Medicare reimbursement for many procedures may run as little as 10% of

the standard charge that doctors and hospitals present. I see this

regularly on my Medicare statements. If we ever go to a socialists

system of national health care then it it likely that all doctors will

have to belong, and be reimbursed accordingly. It would probably be

illegal to seek health care outside the system; at least providers

would not be allowed to charge. There are good as well as bad results

from this, but I sincerely doubt you will get the same degree and

quantity of attention for $85 as you will for $850. Although to me $850

seems extremely high.

I personally benefit from the Medicare program, but it is at the expense

of taxpayers and workers. As it stands I have little if any fiscal

incentive to limit my consumption of health care services other than my

conscience. I recently stopped a small exercise program; I found out it

was costing taxpayers $341 for one hour of minimal " exercise " three

times per week.

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>

> Posted by: " Neil " neilneil@...

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> onewaypockets <onewaypockets>

>

>

> Wed Apr 1, 2009 12:11 pm (PDT)

>

> Nothing personal , but Dr. Hall's fees seem very excessive. On her

> website she quotes $850 for a woman's first visit, plus labs, plus meds.

> That would almost guarantee a $1500 first visit. It seems a shame since

> bio identicals and Armour are the cheapest substances around (no major

> pharma patents). And any doctor that offers facials, colon hydro

> therapy, and her " lightness of being " treatments automatically makes me

> think " trust fund boutique medicine " to myself.

>

> I have also heard that Dr. Friedman does not prescribe Armour and takes

> Levoxyl himself.

>

> Neil

[Guest guest]

-- Thanks to all for your replies.

I will make a few phone calls to see which Dr is best for me.

Now I have a pool of numbers to call.

I am going to drive to the pharmacy to see if they would give me a few more

Armour untill I get to see another Dr.

About pricing, I believe something has to be done with this health system. Some

doctors are not into helping people live better through their medical

profession, while earning a living, but instead, care less about patients, and

are into this to make a fortune.

I can imagine a lot of people can not pay 400, 800 , 1000 or 1500 for

appointment fees. While some doctors make a fortune, they do it at the expense

of millions of people dying unnecessarily early in their lives, and having

terrible quality of lifes, because all the resourses are channelled the wrong

way, into some bad doctors coffers.

Dr appointment rates should be coded and regulated like it is in european

nations. Yes, some doctors will not like it, but those bad apples can rott away

from our world. The remaining doctors will charge more sensible fees, but they

will have alot more customers, so in the end, the law of balance, will reward

doctors for a more efficient job, more patients seen, and more moeny coming in.

A school bus weights as much as 10 automobiles. If we are looking for mass

weight ( like ending revenues ) who cares if we get 10 automobiles or one bus?

Some doctors look for one or 2 buses a day, instead of 10 to 20 cars. Those

that live and abide by the pledge of the medical profession would be much

satisfied making the same amount of money while helping 20 clients. Those who

are into this for the wrong reasons love the 2 clients policy. We do not need

those doctors in our society.

... sorry for the rant....but just wanted to bring in my " grain " of

opinion.

In the same way there seems to be a house cleaning of the financial system,

there must follow suit with the health establishment.

The endo that I made an appointment for the 17th of April is not interested in

patients welfare, but in money and numbers apparently.

I explained to his nurse my quandary. I have a problem with a controling doctor

that demands unnecessary visits and wants to keep patients on a leash with

prescriptions for 30 days. Every month I needed authorization through the

pharmacy and it was humilliating.

Blackmails patients into coming for unnecessary visits or else no prescription.

I saw him in December, and by late January I had another episode of pharmacy

denying my prescrption because said Dr did not authorized. He wanted to see me

in Feb, and if not, no prescription.

I am a regular patient, taking thyroid for 5 years now. I was taking 180 mg for

2 years and it was optimum dosage. My T numbers were excellent, close to the

top.

He decided then, against my desire, to start messing with the dosage, in an

attempt, in my view, to see me several times a year and order unnecessary tests

to check out his game. In the end, it was about getting me into his office

often, instead of keeping me with the optimum dosage of 180mg and have one or 2

visits per year for monitoring.

I told the doctor I copuld not be there untill March. His office is in San

Diego. I landed there while visiting some friends in there in 03 and telling

this friend that I was feeling weird. She told me about this doctor, which

appeared fine for the first 3 years.

I guess the financial situation made this doctor try diddle his patients out of

unnecessary moeny to pay for his debt, and this is the story.

I told him I could not go there untill March. This is his patient since 2003!

His response : I am sorry you ran out of your prescription, if you come to your

appointment I will re issue said prescription!

Fact is, I am talking about the end of January. The appointment was made for

Feb the 15th. Even if I would had seen him on Feb 15, I would had been 15 days

w/o Armour T. Is this guy losing his mind?

I am filling a complaint with the state of Ca, That guy is going to remember

me for a long time. I consider it unethical to stop thyroid medicine on a

patient with total disregard to the patient's welfare. No actions warrant

unilasteral desision to stop prescription.

The most he can do if he does not agree with the patient, is to extend

prescription and ask the patient to seek another doctor.

To end this rant ( sorry, I get worked up thinking about this lunatic ) he did

not have a copy of my last blood test upon my last visit. ( saw him in early

Dec, I had the blood test done at Paradise Valley Hospital in SD mid November,

and off course, I paid it with my card at said hospital) He told me I would

receive a copy in the mail.

Later on, upon my insistence, in writting ( e mail ) as well as on the phone,

I kept asking for my copy. His reply was that I have to pay 30 dollars for a

copy of my blood test.

I paid with my own money for the test, and I have to pay him extra 30 dolars

for my paperwork? ( unfortunately the hospital told me the results can not be

sent to patients, but to the ordering doctor.)

Thanks to all, I will check this phone numbers and see where I can go.

About Armour Thyroid, I could not get any on line, nobody has it, why is

that>??

.__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I want to make an ammendment to this following paragraph.

Seems I got lost in my descrition of the problem I had with the first DR, so I

never explained why I think the endo with whom I scheduled an appointment for

April 17th does not care about patients' welfare.

After explaining the trouble I had with my prescription with the previous Dr.

to his personal nurse assistant ( no way to talk directly to the doctor )I asked

the facility and the Dr through his nurse to allow me to get the needed number

of A Thyroid to make it through the April 17th appointment.( my criticism of the

1st Dr.was not as severe as what I wrote here, I did not want this other medical

facility to think I am some trouble maker...)

I was willing to sign a rmedicla record request form so they can get my

records and ascertain I am not some guy asking for meds. They also have access

to the pharmacy from which I bought Armout Thyroid for the last 4 to 5 years.

The answer was no! Until you become a patient we can do nothing. So you,

patient , can rott and puff , we will pick up the pieces on April 17th!!!!

This is why I say some Dr.s are into this for money, no decent Dr. that cares

for people would say...rott and puff....I know cutting thyroid supply in a

sidden fashion is bad, but I do not care about you!

I do not think I want to end up seing that doctor.

._________________________________________________________-

>

> The endo that I made an appointment for the 17th of April is not interested

in patients welfare, but in money and numbers apparently.

> I explained to his nurse my quandary. I have a problem with a controling

doctor that demands unnecessary visits and wants to keep patients on a leash

with prescriptions for 30 days. Every month I needed authorization through the

pharmacy and it was humilliating.

> Blackmails patients into coming for unnecessary visits or else no

prescription. I saw him in December, and by late January I had another episode

of pharmacy denying my prescrption because said Dr did not authorized. He wanted

to see me in Feb, and if not, no prescription.

> I am a regular patient, taking thyroid for 5 years now. I was taking 180 mg

for 2 years and it was optimum dosage. My T numbers were excellent, close to the

top.

> He decided then, against my desire, to start messing with the dosage, in an

attempt, in my view, to see me several times a year and order unnecessary tests

to check out his game. In the end, it was about getting me into his office

often, instead of keeping me with the optimum dosage of 180mg and have one or 2

visits per year for monitoring.

> I told the doctor I copuld not be there untill March. His office is in San

Diego. I landed there while visiting some friends in there in 03 and telling

this friend that I was feeling weird. She told me about this doctor, which

appeared fine for the first 3 years.

> I guess the financial situation made this doctor try diddle his patients out

of unnecessary moeny to pay for his debt, and this is the story.

>

> I told him I could not go there untill March. This is his patient since

2003! His response : I am sorry you ran out of your prescription, if you come to

your appointment I will re issue said prescription!

> Fact is, I am talking about the end of January. The appointment was made for

Feb the 15th. Even if I would had seen him on Feb 15, I would had been 15 days

w/o Armour T. Is this guy losing his mind?

>

> I am filling a complaint with the state of Ca, That guy is going to remember

me for a long time. I consider it unethical to stop thyroid medicine on a

patient with total disregard to the patient's welfare. No actions warrant

unilasteral desision to stop prescription.

> The most he can do if he does not agree with the patient, is to extend

prescription and ask the patient to seek another doctor.

>

> To end this rant ( sorry, I get worked up thinking about this lunatic ) he

did not have a copy of my last blood test upon my last visit. ( saw him in early

Dec, I had the blood test done at Paradise Valley Hospital in SD mid November,

and off course, I paid it with my card at said hospital) He told me I would

receive a copy in the mail.

> Later on, upon my insistence, in writting ( e mail ) as well as on the

phone, I kept asking for my copy. His reply was that I have to pay 30 dollars

for a copy of my blood test.

> I paid with my own money for the test, and I have to pay him extra 30 dolars

for my paperwork? ( unfortunately the hospital told me the results can not be

sent to patients, but to the ordering doctor.)

>

> Thanks to all, I will check this phone numbers and see where I can go.

>

> About Armour Thyroid, I could not get any on line, nobody has it, why is

that>??

>

> .__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

-

The reason they can't prescribe you any meds until they see you, is that it

is Illegal to write for meds without having a chart on a patient and having

a physical exam charted. That is why they won't fill the armour. They can

get in a lot of trouble with the DEA, the state medical board for doing that

I am a NP, and that is what I tell family members and friends when they want

a scrip from me.

Nancie

-------Original Message-------

I

I was willing to sign a rmedicla record request form so they can get my

records and ascertain I am not some guy asking for meds. They also have

access to the pharmacy from which I bought Armout Thyroid for the last 4 to

5 years.

The answer was no! Until you become a patient we can do nothing.

I

._________________________________________________________-

>

>

..

[Guest guest]

It has been my experience that endos are very rigid. Everyone that I know that

has used and endo feels the same. You might be better off seeing a regular

internist or family doctor who is a bit more flexible. Endos are actually

diabetes specialists, but not thyroid specialists.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: Masiste <masiste79@...>

Subject: Re: Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange County

area

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:48 PM

  I want to make an ammendment to this following paragraph.

  Seems I got lost in my descrition of the problem I had with the first DR, so I

never explained why I think the endo with whom I scheduled an appointment for

April 17th does not care about patients' welfare.

  After explaining the trouble I had with my prescription with the previous Dr.

to his personal nurse assistant ( no way to talk directly to the doctor )I asked

the facility and the Dr through his nurse to allow me to get the needed number

of A Thyroid to make it through the April 17th appointment.( my criticism of the

1st Dr.was not as severe as what I wrote here, I did not want this other medical

facility to think I am some trouble maker...)

  I was willing to sign a rmedicla record request form so they can get my

records and ascertain I am not some guy asking for meds. They also have access

to the pharmacy from which I bought Armout Thyroid for the last 4 to 5 years.

  The answer was no! Until you become a patient we can do nothing. So you,

patient , can rott and puff , we will pick up the pieces on April 17th!!!!

  This is why I say some Dr.s are into this for money, no decent Dr. that cares

for people would say...rott and puff....I know cutting thyroid supply in a

sidden fashion is bad, but I do not care about you!

  I do not think I want to end up seing that doctor.

._________________________________________________________-   

>

>  The endo that I made an appointment for the 17th of April is not interested

in patients welfare, but in money and numbers apparently.

>  I explained to his nurse my quandary. I have a problem with a controling

doctor that demands unnecessary visits and wants to keep patients on a leash

with prescriptions for 30 days. Every month I needed authorization through the

pharmacy and it was humilliating.

>  Blackmails patients into coming for unnecessary visits or else no

prescription.  I saw him in December, and by late January I had another episode

of pharmacy denying my prescrption because said Dr did not authorized. He wanted

to see me in Feb, and if not, no prescription.

>  I am a regular patient, taking thyroid for 5 years now. I was taking 180 mg

for 2 years and it was optimum dosage. My T numbers were excellent, close to the

top.

>  He decided then, against my desire, to start messing with the dosage, in an

attempt, in my view, to see me several times a year and order unnecessary tests

to check out his game. In the end, it was about getting me into his office 

often, instead of keeping me with the optimum dosage of 180mg and have one or 2

visits per year for monitoring.

>  I told the doctor I copuld not be there untill March. His office is in San

Diego. I landed there while visiting some friends in there in 03 and telling 

this friend that I was feeling weird. She told me about this doctor, which

appeared fine for the first 3 years.

>  I guess the financial situation made this doctor try diddle his patients out

of unnecessary moeny to pay for his debt, and this is the story.

>

>   I told him I could not go there untill March. This is his patient since

2003! His response : I am sorry you ran out of your prescription, if you come to

your appointment I will re issue said prescription!

>   Fact is, I am talking about the end of January. The appointment was made for

Feb the 15th. Even if I would had seen him on Feb 15, I would had been 15 days

w/o Armour T. Is this guy losing his mind?

>

>   I am filling a complaint with the state of Ca, That guy is going to remember

me for a long time. I consider it unethical to stop thyroid medicine on a

patient with total disregard to the patient's welfare. No actions warrant

unilasteral desision to stop prescription.

>   The most he can do if he does not agree with the patient, is to extend

prescription and ask the patient to seek another doctor.

>

>   To end this rant ( sorry, I get worked up thinking about this lunatic ) he

did not have a copy of my last blood test upon my last visit. ( saw him in early

Dec, I had the blood test done at Paradise Valley Hospital in SD mid November,

and off course, I paid it with my card at said hospital) He told me I would

receive a copy in the mail.

>   Later on, upon my insistence, in writting ( e mail ) as well as on the

phone, I kept asking for my copy. His reply was that I have to pay 30 dollars

for a copy of my blood test.

>   I paid with my own money for the test, and I have to pay him extra 30 dolars

for my paperwork? ( unfortunately the hospital told me the results can not be

sent to patients, but to the ordering doctor.)

>

>   Thanks to all, I will check this phone numbers and see where I can go.

>

>   About Armour Thyroid, I could not get any on line, nobody has it, why is

that>??

>

>   .__________________________________________________

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Nancie.

I understand. At the same time, if the Dr knows a patient is going w/o his

meds for weeks on end, would it not call for concern?

At least I would expect an expedited appointment date with said patient,

not allowing him/her to wait for weeks.

But you are right, my real problem is not a new dorctor, but the last one.

I am studying the rules in regard top this issue. I think there should be

penalties, or at least it should be wrong to cut off a patients' prescription

just like that, with no medical justification. A hypothyroid patient that stops

his 120mg a day prescription cold turkey is going to suffer some secondary

effects.

Is that what a responsable Dr do? Is that allowed by the medical

establishment?

On another note, is he allowed to charge me 30 dollars for my lab test

results, lab test I paid for with my own CC in person at the lab facility ? My

understanding is that I am entittled to my ab results, the doctor has no reason

no right to charge 30 dollars for my lab results.

What happen in the financial system is endemic. The worse part of it is

that the wrongdoing was not illegal, but wrongful. So nobody let the alarm call

off because all the fat cats took advantage of the condition of legallity,

albeit wrongful condition.

With this situation I see a reverse but similar condition. A Patient needs

his medicine. The previous Dr refuses to prescribe because he has his Lawfull ,

albeit wrongful view that unless he makes a buck out of an appointment visit by

his patient, he does not have to prescribe. He cares less about the health of

said patient.

The other Dr I am asking for a prescription to allow me to navigate untill

the scheduled appointment knows the patient needs his meds, but he relies on a

lawful posture, albeit wrong, that makes him think that the patient's health is

not important, and if the patient does not take medicines for weeks, it is his

problem, not the doctors'.

If I were to die, for example ( dramatic example howbeit ) who would bear

the blame?

Nobody??, perhaps, the first doctor wanted to make money on me, and the

establishment allows him to use prescription as means to compell. The second

doctor washed his hands, and said , I can not prescribe, although I knew you

needed your prescription, because the law says I can not do it.

Sorry, but I must be missing something, the oath of medical profession is

supposed to overcome all obstacles. The emphasis in the current medical

establishment is revenue and profits, not care and efficiency as it should be.

._________________________________________________________

>

> -

> The reason they can't prescribe you any meds until they see you, is that it

> is Illegal to write for meds without having a chart on a patient and having

> a physical exam charted. That is why they won't fill the armour. They can

> get in a lot of trouble with the DEA, the state medical board for doing that

>

> I am a NP, and that is what I tell family members and friends when they want

> a scrip from me.

> Nancie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

 

That is why i was recommending this clinic at Bangalore, India for a COMPLETE

CURE without any side-effects - it is an ayurvedic treatment. At the initial

stages / beginning of the treatment one needs to visit the clinic and later on,

you may visit once every six months (inbetween you may consult the doctor over

telephone / skype - which is free, + send him all your latest lab reports) to

check for progress. The treatment is generally for 18 to 36 months (depends on

how many years of allopathic medications like thyronorm / thyroxin, etc., or

other more serious medications with lot of side-effects like Ostro-arthritis,

RA, kidney / liver failure, heart problem / diebetes etc., etc.,have gone in to

your system - these toxins need to be removed from your system first) & the best

part is no side effects & one can go back to normal routine / diet after the

treatment is over. At the end of the treatment, you can (MUST) actually consult

your

endocrinologist to validate that you are  cured & let him/her certify that you

are fully cured. Only then, be convinced that our medication / treatment has

really worked for you. Ever after that, this clinic puts you on a year's

monitoring to ensure that you are handholded.

 

Any questions / clarifications / need to get the clinic's address, please donot

hesitate to contact me. I shall provide all help / support in this regard.I

shall be happy if you are all cured of this disease. 

 

Regards,

Tom Iyer

 

 

From: Masiste <masiste79@...>

Subject: Re: Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange County

area

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:08 PM

Nancie.

I understand. At the same time, if the Dr knows a patient is going w/o his meds

for weeks on end, would it not call for concern?

At least I would expect an expedited appointment date with said patient, not

allowing him/her to wait for weeks.

But you are right, my real problem is not a new dorctor, but the last one. I am

studying the rules in regard top this issue. I think there should be penalties,

or at least it should be wrong to cut off a patients' prescription just like

that, with no medical justification. A hypothyroid patient that stops his 120mg

a day prescription cold turkey is going to suffer some secondary effects.

Is that what a responsable Dr do? Is that allowed by the medical establishment?

On another note, is he allowed to charge me 30 dollars for my lab test results,

lab test I paid for with my own CC in person at the lab facility ? My

understanding is that I am entittled to my ab results, the doctor has no reason

no right to charge 30 dollars for my lab results.

What happen in the financial system is endemic. The worse part of it is that the

wrongdoing was not illegal, but wrongful. So nobody let the alarm call off

because all the fat cats took advantage of the condition of legallity, albeit

wrongful condition.

With this situation I see a reverse but similar condition. A Patient needs his

medicine. The previous Dr refuses to prescribe because he has his Lawfull ,

albeit wrongful view that unless he makes a buck out of an appointment visit by

his patient, he does not have to prescribe. He cares less about the health of

said patient.

The other Dr I am asking for a prescription to allow me to navigate untill the

scheduled appointment knows the patient needs his meds, but he relies on a

lawful posture, albeit wrong, that makes him think that the patient's health is

not important, and if the patient does not take medicines for weeks, it is his

problem, not the doctors'.

If I were to die, for example ( dramatic example howbeit ) who would bear the

blame?

Nobody??, perhaps, the first doctor wanted to make money on me, and the

establishment allows him to use prescription as means to compell. The second

doctor washed his hands, and said , I can not prescribe, although I knew you

needed your prescription, because the law says I can not do it.

Sorry, but I must be missing something, the oath of medical profession is

supposed to overcome all obstacles. The emphasis in the current medical

establishment is revenue and profits, not care and efficiency as it should be.

.______ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ______

>

> -

> The reason they can't prescribe you any meds until they see you, is that it

> is Illegal to write for meds without having a chart on a patient and having

> a physical exam charted. That is why they won't fill the armour. They can

> get in a lot of trouble with the DEA, the state medical board for doing that

>

> I am a NP, and that is what I tell family members and friends when they want

> a scrip from me.

> Nancie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Masiste,

 

When I go for lab tests or any other kind of tests I indicate right then and

there that I wish a copy to be sent to me, as well as to which doctors I want it

sent to too, and if I have to sign for it there then I do. The doctor should not

be charging for a copy of the tests. You are correct, you are entitled to it.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: Masiste <masiste79@...>

Subject: Re: Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange County

area

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:08 PM

  Nancie.

      I understand. At the same time, if the Dr knows a patient is going w/o his

meds for weeks on end, would it not call for concern?

      At least I would expect an expedited appointment date with said patient,

not  allowing him/her to wait for weeks.

      But you are right, my real problem is not a new dorctor, but the last one.

I am studying the  rules  in regard top this issue. I think there should be

penalties, or at least it should be wrong to cut off a patients' prescription

just like that, with no medical justification. A hypothyroid patient that stops

his 120mg a day prescription cold turkey is going to suffer some secondary

effects.

      Is that what a responsable Dr do? Is that allowed by the medical

establishment?

     

      On another note, is he allowed to charge me 30 dollars for my lab test

results, lab test I paid for with my own CC in person at the lab facility ?  My

understanding is that I am entittled to my ab results, the doctor has no reason

no right to charge 30 dollars for  my lab results.

      What happen in the financial system is endemic. The worse part of it is

that the wrongdoing was not illegal, but wrongful. So nobody let the alarm call

off because all the fat cats took advantage of the  condition of legallity,

albeit wrongful condition.

      With this situation I see a reverse but similar condition. A Patient needs

his medicine. The previous Dr refuses to prescribe because he has his Lawfull ,

albeit wrongful view that unless he makes a buck out of an appointment visit by

his patient, he does not have to prescribe. He cares less about the health of

said patient.

      The other Dr I am asking for a prescription to allow me to navigate untill

the scheduled appointment knows the patient needs his meds, but he relies on a

lawful posture, albeit wrong, that makes him think that the patient's health is

not important, and if the patient does not take medicines for weeks, it is his

problem, not the doctors'.

       If I were to die, for example ( dramatic example howbeit ) who would bear

the blame?

       Nobody??, perhaps, the first doctor wanted to make money on me, and the

establishment allows him to use prescription as means to compell. The second

doctor washed his hands, and said , I can not prescribe, although I knew you

needed your prescription, because the law says I can not do it.

       Sorry, but I must be missing something, the oath of medical profession is

supposed to overcome all obstacles. The emphasis in the current medical

establishment is revenue and profits, not care and efficiency as it should be.

     ._________________________________________________________

     

>

> -

> The reason they can't prescribe you any meds until they see you, is that it

> is Illegal to write for meds without having a chart on a patient and having

> a physical exam charted. That is why they won't fill the armour. They can

> get in a lot of trouble with the DEA, the state medical board for doing that

>

> I am a NP, and that is what I tell family members and friends when they want

> a scrip from me.

> Nancie

>

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Masiste,

You wrote:

> ... On another note, is he allowed to charge me 30 dollars for my lab test

results, lab test I paid for with my own CC in person at the lab facility ? ...

A doctor is allowed to charge a fair copying charge for the labor and materials

involved in operating a photocopying machine. However, he may be charging for

the consult that resulted in ordering the labs. If that was a separately paid

charge, you should be able to get the labs for a very minimal fee, not $30.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

What is it at Kinkos? 3 cents a page? My doctor faxes me my results.

________________________________

From: " gumboyaya@... " <gumboyaya@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 1:50:32 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Thyroid Doctor in the Los Angeles / Orange

County area

Masiste,

You wrote:

> ... On another note, is he allowed to charge me 30 dollars for my lab test

results, lab test I paid for with my own CC in person at the lab facility ? ...

A doctor is allowed to charge a fair copying charge for the labor and materials

involved in operating a photocopying machine. However, he may be charging for

the consult that resulted in ordering the labs. If that was a separately paid

charge, you should be able to get the labs for a very minimal fee, not $30.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

gumboyaya@... wrote:

> Masiste,

>

> You wrote:

>> ... On another note, is he allowed to charge me 30 dollars for my lab test

results, lab test I paid for with my own CC in person at the lab facility ? ...

>

> A doctor is allowed to charge a fair copying charge for the labor and

materials involved in operating a photocopying machine. However, he may be

charging for the consult that resulted in ordering the labs. If that was a

separately paid charge, you should be able to get the labs for a very minimal

fee, not $30.

>

> Chuck

In another group, I got the following idea from someone who does the

following. They have their doctor write on every lab order:

" Copy to patient via mail AND via fax#xxxxxxxx "

This gets them a copy by fax and later a hard copy in the mail. I

haven't had an opportunity to employ it but plan on doing so in the

future. My current Dr.'s Office always mails a copy of regular blood

labs to me - I don't have to ask - but they aren't covered under my

currently insurance.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

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