Re: Iodine vs Bromine in a Euthroid Person

[Guest guest]

Mike,

You probably have detox symptoms, not hypo from taking the

iodine, which is what you have in order to detox. Are you taking the whole

iodine protocol? You need the supporting nutrients to help your body clear out

the bromide with the least symptoms. Taking just the iodine will probably leave

you feeling unwell. It is balancing all the needs of your body.

Donna in IL

[Guest guest]

Regarding the conflict of interest statement, you should read this page all the

way through...or cut to the chase and read at least the (currently) last two

posts. Then decide for yourself...but it set me at ease.

> Iodine vs Bromine in a Euthroid Person

<SNIP>

>Is there any other way to displace bromide W/O taking large doses of iodine?

And if so, is it as effective as iodine?

>

>Thanks,

>Mike

[Guest guest]

I just have to comment on this. Please don't beat me up if you think I'm

out of line!

I just can not imagine how iodine could make you hypothyroid. Thryoid

hormones are made from iodine! Thyroxine (T4) has 4 iodine moledules and

Triiodothyroinine (T3) has 3 iodine molecules! I'd love to see some

evidence of iodine making you hypo - it just doesn't make sense to me.

As far as adrenal insufficiency, you only need small replacement doses of

cortisol to correct that. Large doses of steroids (like prednisone) are

immunosuppresive and will make you hypothyroid because it down-regulates

thyroid production and use. Have you considered just taking small doses of

Cortef for your AI? Have you tested adrenals (off meds)?

Read 'Safe Uses of Cortisol' by McK. Jeffires, MD for info on

cortisol. Broda , MD's 'Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness' is

great for thyroid info. http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue.asp

has a great explainatino of AI.

I personally don't think large doses of iodine are necessary to displace

bromide. If you have sufficient amount of iodine it will get dispaced and

you'll have the bromide pimples and such. May take some time to get rid of

it and it may be hard to endure the ensuing bromide detox, but I think it'd

be well worth it!

Just my humble opinions based on my research!

_____

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of mikensd

Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:19 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Iodine vs Bromine in a Euthroid Person

I am not hypothyroid, and never have been as far as I know. But I was

exposed to methyl bromide in the early nineties, and have severe

immune/respiratory issues as a result. This requires me to take large doses

of steroids (mainly prednisone), which leaves me with adrenal insufficiency.

After researching iodine, it seems uncertain at best whether or not iodine

can actually cause hypothyroidism.

My problem is this: bromide from the methyl bromide exposure I had may still

be in the fatty tissue after eighteen years, according to what I've read,

and the only way to force it out is to take iodine which could cause me to

become hypothyroid. On top of that, adrenal insufficiency should be

addressed first before taking iodine. I've been addressing the AI for many

years, but it is impossible to eradicate while taking huge amounts of

steroids. I just started 25mg of Iodoral this morning, but will stop it

immediately of I have any signs of hypothyroidism. The financial conflicts

of interest involving Abraham, Brownstein, and Flechas raise credibility

issues, not to mention the conflicting research results. The only reason I

am taking iodine at all is b/c of the long history that Lugol's has, not

Iodoral or the three researchers listed above.

Is there any other way to displace bromide W/O taking large doses of iodine?

And if so, is it as effective as iodine?

Thanks,

Mike

> > >

> > > ... Do you have any information about how long it takes for true

thyroid

> > > issues to show up after a person starts ingesting that much Iodine

daily

> > > (esp after already starting with 50-100 for 3 months)?

> >

> > The Wolff-Chaikoff effect hits immediately, but that is usually gone

after 10 days. Since the hypoT issues are mainly mediated by the immune

system, I would expect risk of an autoimmune reaction to accumulate with

time. It could be dose related, but once triggered at any dose or time, it

would not stop.

> >

> > Gracia said she stayed above 50 mg per day for a lot longer than 3

months.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm concerned about your steroid treatment. Steroids are very dangerous. They

can, for example produce infections months after treatmen has stopped. Please

check this out:

 

http://vasculitis.med.jhu.edu/treatments/prednisone.html

 

 

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: mikensd <mikensd@...>

Subject: Iodine vs Bromine in a Euthroid Person

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 10:19 AM

I am not hypothyroid, and never have been as far as I know.  But I was exposed

to methyl bromide in the early nineties, and have severe immune/respiratory

issues as a result.  This requires me to take large doses of steroids (mainly

prednisone), which leaves me with adrenal insufficiency.  After researching

iodine, it seems uncertain at best whether or not iodine can actually cause

hypothyroidism.

My problem is this:  bromide from the methyl bromide exposure I had may still be

in the fatty tissue after eighteen years, according to what I've read, and the

only way to force it out is to take iodine which could cause me to become

hypothyroid.  On top of that, adrenal insufficiency should be addressed first

before taking iodine. I've been addressing the AI for many years, but it is

impossible to eradicate while taking huge amounts of steroids.  I just started

25mg of Iodoral this morning, but will stop it immediately of I have any signs

of hypothyroidism.  The financial conflicts of interest involving Abraham,

Brownstein, and Flechas raise credibility issues, not to mention the conflicting

research results.  The only reason I am taking iodine at all is b/c of the long

history that Lugol's has, not Iodoral or the three researchers listed above.

Is there any other way to displace bromide W/O taking large doses of iodine? 

And if so, is it as effective as iodine?

Thanks,

Mike

> > > 

> > > ... Do you have any information about how long it takes for true thyroid

> > > issues to show up after a person starts ingesting that much Iodine daily

> > > (esp after already starting with 50-100 for 3 months)?

> >

> > The Wolff-Chaikoff effect hits immediately, but that is usually gone after

10 days. Since the hypoT issues are mainly mediated by the immune system, I

would expect risk of an autoimmune reaction to accumulate with time. It could be

dose related, but once triggered at any dose or time, it would not stop.

> >

> > Gracia said she stayed above 50 mg per day for a lot longer than 3 months.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

May I ask how you got exposed to the methyl bromide?

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: mikensd <mikensd@...>

Subject: Iodine vs Bromine in a Euthroid Person

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 10:19 AM

I am not hypothyroid, and never have been as far as I know.  But I was exposed

to methyl bromide in the early nineties, and have severe immune/respiratory

issues as a result.  This requires me to take large doses of steroids (mainly

prednisone), which leaves me with adrenal insufficiency.  After researching

iodine, it seems uncertain at best whether or not iodine can actually cause

hypothyroidism.

My problem is this:  bromide from the methyl bromide exposure I had may still be

in the fatty tissue after eighteen years, according to what I've read, and the

only way to force it out is to take iodine which could cause me to become

hypothyroid.  On top of that, adrenal insufficiency should be addressed first

before taking iodine. I've been addressing the AI for many years, but it is

impossible to eradicate while taking huge amounts of steroids.  I just started

25mg of Iodoral this morning, but will stop it immediately of I have any signs

of hypothyroidism.  The financial conflicts of interest involving Abraham,

Brownstein, and Flechas raise credibility issues, not to mention the conflicting

research results.  The only reason I am taking iodine at all is b/c of the long

history that Lugol's has, not Iodoral or the three researchers listed above.

Is there any other way to displace bromide W/O taking large doses of iodine? 

And if so, is it as effective as iodine?

Thanks,

Mike

> > > 

> > > ... Do you have any information about how long it takes for true thyroid

> > > issues to show up after a person starts ingesting that much Iodine daily

> > > (esp after already starting with 50-100 for 3 months)?

> >

> > The Wolff-Chaikoff effect hits immediately, but that is usually gone after

10 days. Since the hypoT issues are mainly mediated by the immune system, I

would expect risk of an autoimmune reaction to accumulate with time. It could be

dose related, but once triggered at any dose or time, it would not stop.

> >

> > Gracia said she stayed above 50 mg per day for a lot longer than 3 months.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Opps! And now the link:

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=929565 & s=2

> Re: Iodine vs Bromine in a Euthroid Person

>

>Regarding the conflict of interest statement, you should read this page all the

way through...or cut to the chase and read at least the (currently) last two

posts. Then decide for yourself...but it set me at ease.

[Guest guest]

Mike,

You wrote:

>

> ... Is there any other way to displace bromide W/O taking large doses of

> iodine? And if so, is it as effective as iodine?

Not that I am aware of. The usual treatment when there are no symptoms

is just time. Chelation can sometimes be worse than the toxin.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> I just can not imagine how iodine could make you hypothyroid....

You don't have to imagine.

Excess iodine is thought to act as a hapten, combining with the body's

own proteins, to form antigens, that your immune system mistakes for

invaders and mounts an antibody attack. The result is Hashimoto's

thyroiditis. The fact that this happens is reported in many studies.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Thanks Chuck. Now I know how they messed up my mother's thyroid.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>   

> I just can not imagine how iodine could make you hypothyroid....

You don't have to imagine.

Excess iodine is thought to act as a hapten, combining with the body's

own proteins, to form antigens, that your immune system mistakes for

invaders and mounts an antibody attack. The result is Hashimoto's

thyroiditis. The fact that this happens is reported in many studies.

Chuck

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

As stated in my original post, I have only taken 25mg of Iodoral one time (just

before I wrote my original message), so I doubt that I'm detoxing bromide, at

least not b/c of iodine intake. I'm not hypothyroid, and I already take the

supporting nutrients in the iodine protocol and have been for years as part of

my routine supplement regimen.

Mike

>

> Mike,

>

> You probably have detox symptoms, not hypo from taking the iodine, which is

what you have in order to detox. Are you taking the whole iodine protocol? You

need the supporting nutrients to help your body clear out the bromide with the

least symptoms. Taking just the iodine will probably leave you feeling unwell.

It is balancing all the needs of your body.

>

> Donna in IL

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the link. I read all the entries, but I didn't see anything that

addresses the potential monetary conflict of interest.

After spending thirty years in ICU, working in research for a major pharma, and

doing medical contracting for the government, I've learned two things: 1) follow

the money, and 2) even the the most dedicated and well intentioned researchers

(MD or otherwise) are easily biased by the desire that their research produce a

cure (or at least a substantial benefit to patients), and that their

therapy/medicine/supplement/medical device does not cause any untoward side

effects, especially when money is involved. So Dr. Brownstein could be the most

dedicated researcher and still unconsciously overlook/minimize the fact that

different people can and do react totally differently to the same treatment.

That is to say that many people can be greatly benefited by high dose iodine

(and I have no doubt that they are, and no reason to think that Dr Brownstein is

biased b/c of money - but the possibility exists) while others may develop

non-reversible hypothyroidism (if so, how much iodine induced hypothyroidism is

acceptable). For that reason, we really need to see substantiation of his

findings outside the little triumvirate of physicians connected to Iodoral and

each other before accepting their conclusions as unbiased. Having said that, I

am in no way saying his conclusions are clouded or inaccurate, but if they are,

he and his colleagues certainly wouldn't be the first well intentioned

researchers to fall into that trap. There seems to be no independent source

that has no monetary incentive to substantiate Brownstein's findings. That's why

I'm asking if there is another way to displace bromide w/o taking high dose

iodine.

The Latin phrase, Argumentum ad Consequentiam (Argument to the consequences) may

apply to Brownstein's conclusions.

Mike

>

> Opps! And now the link:

> http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=929565 & s=2

>

>

> > Re: Iodine vs Bromine in a Euthroid Person

> >

> >Regarding the conflict of interest statement, you should read this page all

the way through...or cut to the chase and read at least the (currently) last two

posts. Then decide for yourself...but it set me at ease.

>

[Guest guest]

Methyl bromide was the poison of choice as a termite insecticide in 1991 when I

was exposed at my San Diego condo. That's b/c Ca law required that residents be

out of the building twenty four hours after the tent was removed, as opposed to

two days minimum for other insecticides (now MB requires 7 days out of the

residence). I refused to leave and held up the project for a month while I

looked for another non toxic way to treat the building, but at that time, there

was no non toxic treatment for a building that large with so many interior

walls. I stayed out longer than required, but b/c I had a very strong immune

system (was taking all kinds of supplements for that reason), my immune system

violently attacked the MB. I was then repeatedly misdiagnosed as having the

flu, which was horrible that year. If I'd had a weak, anergic immune system, I

probably wouldn't have had any problem after the exposure. Sometimes being

healthy can backfire on you in this overly toxic environment we live in.

In another response, it was stated that prednisone makes you hypothyroid. Has

never been the case with me in eighteen years of huge doses. My TSH reached 4.3

at one point, never any higher. T3, T4 were fine, and I had no symptoms. Also,

prednisone will treat adrenal insufficiency just like cortisol. If I'm taking

prednisone in a sufficient dose (and I have no choice - take it or stop

breathing) I have no symptoms of AI, so there is no reason to take cortisol (of

course I've built up a huge tolerance for prednisone over the years). It's also

the ONLY oral steroid that will even begin to affect my level of respiratory

inflammation. Cortisol is totally worthless for my needs. I've tried it

several times in doses equivalent to the prednisone dose I was taking with

disastrous results. Immune modulation to correct the inappropriate inflammatory

response is what I've been trying to acheive for several years. That's why I'm

taking low dose naltrexone and trying to detox bromide. I think that iodine is

also supposed to modulate the immune system toward a normal inflammatory

response. Is that true? Does iodine affect the Th1/Th2 ratio, and therefore

the CD4/CD8 ratio?

Thanks,

Mike

>

> May I ask how you got exposed to the methyl bromide?

[Guest guest]

" That's why I'm asking if there is another way to displace bromide w/o taking

high dose iodine. "

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your input. I love all the discussion and different viewpoints -

makes me think. Have you searched the Mini Beet Protocol for displacing

bromide? The link was posted several weeks back. I have tried it after getting

very sick several weeks after increasing my Iodoral to 100 mg daily for several

weeks (have been using several different forms of Iodine for well over a year,

had been on 50 mg daily for several months prior, and of course, with all the

companions). Don't know that the MBP is the answer, but I am not sure that I am

going to be able to go back to Iodoral. Having symptoms of recurring,

intractable viral bronchitis that flares each time I try to start it back.

Missed much work and lots of MD bills, and I have not had to go to the MD in

years...I am not happy.

Beverly

[Guest guest]

I read the conversation, and here is my reaction to the remarks about money making. For what its worth.Doctors aren't messiahs. They have bills to pay, just like everybody. Research takes money.Do you know anyone who would do whatever they do for nothing? I don't know anybody who would.

-- Warmest Regards,Robin Little

Opps! And now the link:

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=929565 & s=2

[Guest guest]

this sounds crazy to me!

1)25mg Iodoral is probly too l.ow a dose to move the bromide out. you

might have probs on too low a dose and then interpet that as symptoms of

going hypo. TSH can increase for up to 6 months b4 it goes down again.

2) are you familiar with Jefferies work in Safe Uses of Cortisol?

you don't address AI with " huge amounts of steroids " .

you might be very skeptical about using iodine and iodine docs'

motivation, but why not just use it the right way and find out for

yourself?

Gracia

mikensd wrote:

>

>

> This message is cross-posted to the hypothyroidism group as well.

>

> I am not hypothyroid, and never have been as far as I know. But I was

> exposed to methyl bromide in the early nineties, and have severe

> immune/respiratory issues as a result. This requires me to take large

> doses of steroids (mainly prednisone), which leaves me with adrenal

> insufficiency. After researching iodine, it seems uncertain at best

> whether or not iodine can actually cause hypothyroidism.

>

> My problem is this: bromide from the methyl bromide exposure I had may

> still be in the fatty tissue after eighteen years, according to what

> I've read, and the only way to force it out is to take iodine which

> could cause me to become hypothyroid. On top of that, adrenal

> insufficiency should be addressed first before taking iodine. I've

> been addressing the AI for many years, but it is impossible to

> eradicate while taking huge amounts of steroids. I just started

> 25mg of Iodoral this morning, but will stop it immediately of I have

> any signs of hypothyroidism. The financial conflicts of interest

> involving Abraham, Brownstein, and Flechas raise credibility issues,

> not to mention the conflicting research results. The only reason I am

> taking iodine at all is b/c of the long history that Lugol's has, not

> Iodoral or the three researchers listed above.

>

> Is there any other way to displace bromide W/O taking large doses of

> iodine? And if so, is it as effective as iodine?

>

> Thanks,

> Mike

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with Gracia. What financial conflicts of interest are you referring to? Dr. Brownstein sells Iodoral just like all the other supplements he has for his patients - he does not profit off this in any other way. Dr. Flechas has a loading test lab and sells Iodoral to his patients but that is the extent of his financial gain. Dr. Abraham developed the Iodoral product so that many could benefit from an easier to administer product - for which I am thankful. Why do people have the mentality that if someone is benefiting from something that they worked hard to achieve that it somehow lessens the benefits? I don't get it. But then again Iodine saved my life so I am going to be biased that it works.

Re: Iodine vs Bromine in a Euthroid Person

this sounds crazy to me! 1)25mg Iodoral is probly too l.ow a dose to move the bromide out. you might have probs on too low a dose and then interpet that as symptoms of going hypo. TSH can increase for up to 6 months b4 it goes down again. 2) are you familiar with Jefferies work in Safe Uses of Cortisol? you don't address AI with "huge amounts of steroids". you might be very skeptical about using iodine and iodine docs' motivation, but why not just use it the right way and find out for yourself? Graciamikensd wrote:> >> This message is cross-posted to the hypothyroidism group as well.>> I am not hypothyroid, and never have been as far as I know. But I was > exposed to methyl bromide in the early nineties, and have severe > immune/respiratory issues as a result. This requires me to take large > doses of steroids (mainly prednisone), which leaves me with adrenal > insufficiency. After researching iodine, it seems uncertain at best > whether or not iodine can actually cause hypothyroidism.>> My problem is this: bromide from the methyl bromide exposure I had may > still be in the fatty tissue after eighteen years, according to what > I've read, and the only way to force it out is to take iodine which > could cause me to become hypothyroid. On top of that, adrenal > insufficiency should be addressed first before taking iodine. I've > been addressing the AI for many years, but it is impossible to > eradicate while taking huge amounts of steroids. I just started> 25mg of Iodoral this morning, but will stop it immediately of I have > any signs of hypothyroidism. The financial conflicts of interest > involving Abraham, Brownstein, and Flechas raise credibility issues, > not to mention the conflicting research results. The only reason I am > taking iodine at all is b/c of the long history that Lugol's has, not > Iodoral or the three researchers listed above.>> Is there any other way to displace bromide W/O taking large doses of > iodine? And if so, is it as effective as iodine?>> Thanks,> Mike>>

[Guest guest]

Mike you have to understand that this group is a "Pro" iodine group. I have had people question that as the foundation but it is what it is. In part I am sure it is because I , as the owner of the group, have had life saving experiences with it. So naturally I will promote its benefits. That is not to say that I am not open to seeing other information but there are over 3,000 people here and I would be willing to bet that the majority of them have had benefits from supplementing or they would not still be here. This group has evolved into a group that supports one another in the usage of it. Negative comments are not met with positive responses - like it or not - that's just the way it is. Those that have found it beneficial are protective of it. For obvious reasons. My only requirement is that we do not flame one another in these discussions but finding information that goes against iodine supplementation may be difficult to find here. Good or bad - that's just where this group is.

Re: Iodine vs Bromine in a Euthroid Person

First of all, I did not say that 25mg of Iodoral is moving anything anywhere. I said I had only taken one 25mg Iodoral dose period...ever. Second, TSH is not a valid indicator of hypothyroidism to begin with, third, I didn't say I take huge doses of steroids to address AI, I take it to stay alive (do you object?). Please at least read posts accurately before you launch an attack and call something crazy. Should I ignore all the data about iodine and possible hypothyroidism b/c you're sold on iodine?? I'm beginning to see the cult like following that another post talked about. I prefer objectivity.Cortisol is candy for me. I may as well pop a mint. It does nothing period b/c it's far too weak compared to prednisone, which I hate taking but have not choice. And yes, I've read countless books and articles on the safe use of cortisol.Mike> > > >> > This message is cross-posted to the hypothyroidism group as well.> >> > I am not hypothyroid, and never have been as far as I know. But I was > > exposed to methyl bromide in the early nineties, and have severe > > immune/respiratory issues as a result. This requires me to take large > > doses of steroids (mainly prednisone), which leaves me with adrenal > > insufficiency. After researching iodine, it seems uncertain at best > > whether or not iodine can actually cause hypothyroidism.> >> > My problem is this: bromide from the methyl bromide exposure I had may > > still be in the fatty tissue after eighteen years, according to what > > I've read, and the only way to force it out is to take iodine which > > could cause me to become hypothyroid. On top of that, adrenal > > insufficiency should be addressed first before taking iodine. I've > > been addressing the AI for many years, but it is impossible to > > eradicate while taking huge amounts of steroids. I just started> > 25mg of Iodoral this morning, but will stop it immediately of I have > > any signs of hypothyroidism. The financial conflicts of interest > > involving Abraham, Brownstein, and Flechas raise credibility issues, > > not to mention the conflicting research results. The only reason I am > > taking iodine at all is b/c of the long history that Lugol's has, not > > Iodoral or the three researchers listed above.> >> > Is there any other way to displace bromide W/O taking large doses of > > iodine? And if so, is it as effective as iodine?> >> > Thanks,> > Mike> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Read my other post giving a few of my many experiences with doctors and profit

(btw, these doctors didn't seem 'evil' or even have a bad bedside manner). I

don't know Dr Brownstein from Adam, so there is no reason to assume anything one

way or the other, and I haven't. But the potential conflict is obvious. You

have three doctors who support each others position, and all profit from the

arrangement. If an unassociated third party supported with independent research

what these three doctors are saying, it would go a long, long way toward

removing any doubt about financial conflicts and possibly clouded

recommendations. Unfortunately, there isn't such a party that I know of, just

other doctors who agree with them but have done no real research (Mercola comes

to mind...someone I like a lot). You, , on the other hand, have the

advantage of knowing Dr Brownstein personally over time, which gives you a

unique perspective.

Mike

> >

> >

> > This message is cross-posted to the hypothyroidism group as well.

> >

> > I am not hypothyroid, and never have been as far as I know. But I was

> > exposed to methyl bromide in the early nineties, and have severe

> > immune/respiratory issues as a result. This requires me to take large

> > doses of steroids (mainly prednisone), which leaves me with adrenal

> > insufficiency. After researching iodine, it seems uncertain at best

> > whether or not iodine can actually cause hypothyroidism.

> >

> > My problem is this: bromide from the methyl bromide exposure I had may

> > still be in the fatty tissue after eighteen years, according to what

> > I've read, and the only way to force it out is to take iodine which

> > could cause me to become hypothyroid. On top of that, adrenal

> > insufficiency should be addressed first before taking iodine. I've

> > been addressing the AI for many years, but it is impossible to

> > eradicate while taking huge amounts of steroids. I just started

> > 25mg of Iodoral this morning, but will stop it immediately of I have

> > any signs of hypothyroidism. The financial conflicts of interest

> > involving Abraham, Brownstein, and Flechas raise credibility issues,

> > not to mention the conflicting research results. The only reason I am

> > taking iodine at all is b/c of the long history that Lugol's has, not

> > Iodoral or the three researchers listed above.

> >

> > Is there any other way to displace bromide W/O taking large doses of

> > iodine? And if so, is it as effective as iodine?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Mike

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, . No one is going to " beat you up " here; although we may well

disagree with you. No one owns all the facts or truth. Expressing an

opinion on the relevant topic of this list can seldom if ever be out of

line unless it promotes a product or procedure that has potential for harm.

I believe Chuck has explained how iodine can cause hypothyroidism; and

that is well documented.

What you choose to refer to " detox symptoms " are what reputable

researchers refer to as toxic responses to excess iodine. I am unaware

of any research that suggests they are anything else; but " detox

symptoms " are a handy way for proponents of excess iodine use to explain

away clear evidence that your body does not properly handle the excess.

My opinions; YMMV.

..

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>

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> ginabeene <ginabeene>

>

>

> Fri Oct 2, 2009 11:42 am (PDT)

>

>

>

> I just have to comment on this. Please don't beat me up if you think I'm

> out of line!

>

> I just can not imagine how iodine could make you hypothyroid. Thryoid

> hormones are made from iodine! Thyroxine (T4) has 4 iodine moledules and

> Triiodothyroinine (T3) has 3 iodine molecules! I'd love to see some

> evidence of iodine making you hypo - it just doesn't make sense to me.

>

> As far as adrenal insufficiency, you only need small replacement doses of

> cortisol to correct that. Large doses of steroids (like prednisone) are

> immunosuppresive and will make you hypothyroid because it down-regulates

> thyroid production and use. Have you considered just taking small doses of

> Cortef for your AI? Have you tested adrenals (off meds)?

>

> Read 'Safe Uses of Cortisol' by McK. Jeffires, MD for info on

> cortisol. Broda , MD's 'Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness' is

> great for thyroid info.

> http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue.asp

> <http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue.asp>

> has a great explainatino of AI.

>

> I personally don't think large doses of iodine are necessary to displace

> bromide. If you have sufficient amount of iodine it will get dispaced and

> you'll have the bromide pimples and such. May take some time to get rid of

> it and it may be hard to endure the ensuing bromide detox, but I think

> it'd

> be well worth it!

>

> Just my humble opinions based on my research!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mike,

I'm not sure where you'll find the objectivity you seek. There are a

lot books and articles declaring iodine to be toxic starting at 1100 mcg

per day. Yet, those same sources are curiously silent about the way the

'toxicity' manifests. Meanwhile, Japanese people eat 13 mg on average

per day. People on the iodine protocol typically take 50 mg per day. I

take 100 mg per day. I am a breast cancer survivor and I've done due

diligence in researching how the world of medicine operates.

If there's anyone making buckets of money from iodine, I don't know who

they are. Pharmaceutical companies, on the other hand, make beaucoup

bucks and cause 100,000 deaths every year just from prescriptions that

are properly prescribed and administered. That's more than twice the

40,000 deaths from breast cancer each year. I personally feel iodine

protects my health far and away more than any pharmaceutical. If that

makes me 'cultish', well, cultish I'll be. I don't know where that

notion comes from.

Ultimately, we all have to make our own decisions on what information we

choose to believe. If you decide to try iodine for detoxing the

bromide, I suggest that you not overlook the 'protocol'. You'll need

more than just iodine. Companion supplements are needed to complete the

protocol. I didn't quite grasp that from the beginning, and now that

I'm fully on board with the protocol, I'm finally feeling better for the

first time in a looooong time. This is a great group for those who

choose the iodine protocol. If you choose not to do the iodine

protocol, I hope you find a differnt group that will be help you find

your way back to health.

Jana

mikensd wrote:

>First of all, I did not say that 25mg of Iodoral is moving anything anywhere.

I said I had only taken one 25mg Iodoral dose period...ever. Second, TSH is not

a valid indicator of hypothyroidism to begin with, third, I didn't say I take

huge doses of steroids to address AI, I take it to stay alive (do you object?).

Please at least read posts accurately before you launch an attack and call

something crazy.

>

>Should I ignore all the data about iodine and possible hypothyroidism b/c

you're sold on iodine?? I'm beginning to see the cult like following that

another post talked about. I prefer objectivity.

>

>Cortisol is candy for me. I may as well pop a mint. It does nothing period

b/c it's far too weak compared to prednisone, which I hate taking but have not

choice. And yes, I've read countless books and articles on the safe use of

cortisol.

>

>Mike

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

I follow your logic and understand it. It's not likely though that there will be any independent study to confirm what Dr. B and his cohorts have concluded. Like you said, 'follow the money'. There isn't a lot of of money to be made there. Pharma is not going to fund research unless there is. Government is owned by big pharma, so they aren't going to either. We could easily die waiting for the research you want (and many have). So I for one, am trying it because I have not found another logical, viable option that makes sense to me when I read it. Tressler Healthy Transitions Life Coaching 541-791-1464 Help raise funds for Legacy Land Conservancy by searching the internet or shoping online with GoodSearch (www.goodsearch.com).

[Guest guest]

Mike...

I simply do not believe that high doses of iodine can cause hypothyroidism. Dr.

Flechas' iodine loading test proves that what the body doesn't use gets

excreted. I want to see proof .. all labs including antibodies as well as

bromide, fluoride, mercury and arsenic levels of said patient who became

permanently hypothyroid because of high doses of iodine. And what dose was

considered high. I've read a lot of references cautioning of high iodine intake

causing hypothyroidism, but I've NEVER seen any link back to the origin. Where

is it????

Lorie

>

> Hi Mike,

>

> I follow your logic and understand it.  It's not likely though that there will

be any independent study to confirm what Dr. B and his cohorts have concluded. 

Like you said, 'follow the money'.  There isn't a lot of of money to be made

there.  Pharma is not going to fund research unless there is.  Government is

owned by big pharma, so they aren't going to either.  We could easily die

waiting for the research you want (and many have).  So I for one, am trying it

because I have not found another logical, viable option that makes sense to me

when I read it.

>   Tressler

> Healthy Transitions Life Coaching

> 541-791-1464

>

> Help raise funds for Legacy Land Conservancy by searching the internet or

shoping online with GoodSearch (www.goodsearch.com).

>

[Guest guest]

OK

'I was thinking today that if I had just been given iodine/iodide as a

child, I would have had a productive normal life. Instead I was given

constant antibiotics b/c these were the miracle drugs and no one needed

iodine anymore. and by age 22 doc recommended partial thyroidectomy

which left me so much sicker.

I make a plea for the children in this world, that they can be spared

the nightmare that I endured, that they can grow up healthy.

Iodine is expensive for me--if it didn't work I would not take it.

Gracia

>

>

> mikensd wrote:

>

> >First of all, I did not say that 25mg of Iodoral is moving anything

> anywhere. I said I had only taken one 25mg Iodoral dose period...ever.

> Second, TSH is not a valid indicator of hypothyroidism to begin with,

> third, I didn't say I take huge doses of steroids to address AI, I

> take it to stay alive (do you object?). Please at least read posts

> accurately before you launch an attack and call something crazy.

> >

> >Should I ignore all the data about iodine and possible hypothyroidism

> b/c you're sold on iodine?? I'm beginning to see the cult like

> following that another post talked about. I prefer objectivity.

> >

> >Cortisol is candy for me. I may as well pop a mint. It does nothing

> period b/c it's far too weak compared to prednisone, which I hate

> taking but have not choice. And yes, I've read countless books and

> articles on the safe use of cortisol.

> >

> >Mike

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

> What you choose to refer to " detox symptoms " are what reputable researchers

refer to as toxic responses to excess iodine.

But that IS what is happening isn't it ...the iodine is pushing out the bromide,

so it IS a toxic response???? What is wrong with that? I thought one of the

purposes of iodine supplementation was to push out toxic bromide. " Excess "

probably means something different to each of us.

>I am unaware of any research that suggests they are anything else; but " detox

symptoms " are a handy way for proponents of excess iodine use to explain away

clear evidence that your body does not properly handle the excess.

Maybe it's clear evidence of our body's intelligence ...iodine in preference to

bromide et al??

>

> Hi, . No one is going to " beat you up " here; although we may well

> disagree with you. No one owns all the facts or truth. Expressing an

> opinion on the relevant topic of this list can seldom if ever be out of

> line unless it promotes a product or procedure that has potential for harm.

>

> I believe Chuck has explained how iodine can cause hypothyroidism; and

> that is well documented.

>

> What you choose to refer to " detox symptoms " are what reputable

> researchers refer to as toxic responses to excess iodine. I am unaware

> of any research that suggests they are anything else; but " detox

> symptoms " are a handy way for proponents of excess iodine use to explain

> away clear evidence that your body does not properly handle the excess.

>

> My opinions; YMMV.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jana

You mentioned that you are a breast cancer survivor. My wife had breast

cancer last year and went thru surgery, chemo and radiation. I have

just started researching and taking iodine (iodoral) for thyroid issues

and starting giving my wife small dose of iodoral to start. How did you

arrive at the 100 mg daily dose? Is this a personal decision or is this

the recommended dose for someone to take who has had breast cancer?

Thanks,

________________________________________________________________________

> 1f. Re: Iodine vs Bromine in a Euthroid Person

> Posted by: " Jana " paintbrushcc@... caryota2001

> Date: Sat Oct 3, 2009 4:18 pm ((PDT))

>

> Mike,

> I'm not sure where you'll find the objectivity you seek. There are a

> lot books and articles declaring iodine to be toxic starting at 1100 mcg

> per day. Yet, those same sources are curiously silent about the way the

> 'toxicity' manifests. Meanwhile, Japanese people eat 13 mg on average

> per day. People on the iodine protocol typically take 50 mg per day. I

> take 100 mg per day. I am a breast cancer survivor and I've done due

> diligence in researching how the world of medicine operates.

>

> If there's anyone making buckets of money from iodine, I don't know who

> they are. Pharmaceutical companies, on the other hand, make beaucoup

> bucks and cause 100,000 deaths every year just from prescriptions that

> are properly prescribed and administered. That's more than twice the

> 40,000 deaths from breast cancer each year. I personally feel iodine

> protects my health far and away more than any pharmaceutical. If that

> makes me 'cultish', well, cultish I'll be. I don't know where that

> notion comes from.

>

> Ultimately, we all have to make our own decisions on what information we

> choose to believe. If you decide to try iodine for detoxing the

> bromide, I suggest that you not overlook the 'protocol'. You'll need

> more than just iodine. Companion supplements are needed to complete the

> protocol. I didn't quite grasp that from the beginning, and now that

> I'm fully on board with the protocol, I'm finally feeling better for the

> first time in a looooong time. This is a great group for those who

> choose the iodine protocol. If you choose not to do the iodine

> protocol, I hope you find a differnt group that will be help you find

> your way back to health.

> Jana