Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Hi! I am new to this, I recently had extreme menstrual bleeding, after decades of perfectly normal periods, and my HCP did a TSH test, which came out 4.52, on a scale of .3-5.0 - she said I was borderline and to be retested in 6 months. I had started reading up, and realized I had recently incorporated a lot of things that are bad if you have a sensitive thyroid, so here is what I have found (and eliminated) so far: flouride - used to be used to disable thyroid gland, high levels in tea (green, black, red)and CA wines. I had added 2 cups of green tea to my routine, for health. I now have a water pitcher with a filter that removes flouride (Saychelle), and switched to all herbal teas. goitrogenic foods - google for lists, but cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, brussels sprouts, strawberries - all of the things I love, and had been putting raw in my smoothies every day (cooking removes 2/3 of goitrogenic properties) oh, and peanuts and soy - I had been taking a peanut butter sandwich for lunch every day. They have good points, so will probably eat limited amounts, but no more soy for me. flax seeds - apparently the oil can be OK, but I was putting about 1/4 cup of seeds in my smoothie every day. Might add a TBSP back in if I get straightened out, because the lignans and fiber in whole seeds are good. evening primrose oil - seems some controversy here, it is recommended by many for hair loss/condition, even for thyroid patients, but enough potential question that I am switching to black currant oil (had upped primrose oil to 1000 mg a few months ago) I had also almost eliminated iodized salt, using kosher instead, but discovered I live in the 'goiter belt', so have less iodine in food and water sources. I did feel better the 10 years I lived on the East Coast (and used all iodized salt, I am sure), possible related. I have switched to Celtic Sea Salt, and added a daily supplement of something called Thyroid Strength, it was the first thing I did, and I felt noticeably better after just a few days. It uses bladderwrack and other things to give some iodine. I watched very carefully for any downside when I added the small amount of iodine, after reading that it makes some conditions worse, but adding it seems to be good for me, at least in these small doses. After reading more about hypothyroid symptoms and contributing factors, I have had a fair number of these occurring from around age 30 (when I had my son), some even earlier, but I never thought there was any relationship between them, and my grandmother had to have part of her overactive thyroid removed when she was younger. I was hoping to straighten a lot out with lifestyle changes, and I have seen significant improvements in the last 6 weeks, but maybe I am just delaying the inevitable.. Beth in MN > > Hi Colene again. Since I don`t have health insurance because I am recently not working, I have to go to the health dept. instead of an endocrinologist. Can you tell me what definite no-no`s there are as far as eating or drinking the wrong things for hypothyroidism. I heard no soy but don`t know why or what else? I have lately become very tired, my eyes are getting very blurry while reading so I bought somew reading glasses at Walgreens to help. I don`t know what to look for as far as the hypo..getting worse. Can you tell me what signs their might be. Thanks to all of you for being members and your support. You are appreciated.Colene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Colene, If you still have thyroid function and only suspect you are hypoT, you need to avoid all goitrogens. The big ones are soy, fluoride, and cruciferous vegetables. Just Google " goitrogens " for a more complete list. You might also want to Google " hypothyroidism symptoms " for a complete list. The more you have, or the more intense the ones you have become, the worse your condition. Just be careful with the list, since many symptoms of hypoT are also symptoms of other things. The one that I think is the clearest indicator is cold sensitivity. Chuck > > Hi Colene again. Since I don`t have health insurance because I am > recently not working, I have to go to the health dept. instead of an > endocrinologist. Can you tell me what definite no-no`s there are as far > as eating or drinking the wrong things for hypothyroidism. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 How do we know if we still have thyroid function? Stop all meds and be tested? On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: > Colene, > > If you still have thyroid function and only suspect you are hypoT, you > need to avoid all goitrogens. The big ones are soy, fluoride, and > cruciferous vegetables. Just Google " goitrogens " for a more complete list. > > You might also want to Google " hypothyroidism symptoms " for a complete > list. The more you have, or the more intense the ones you have become, > the worse your condition. Just be careful with the list, since many > symptoms of hypoT are also symptoms of other things. The one that I > think is the clearest indicator is cold sensitivity. > > Chuck > > > > > > Hi Colene again. Since I don`t have health insurance because I am > > recently not working, I have to go to the health dept. instead of an > > endocrinologist. Can you tell me what definite no-no`s there are as far > > as eating or drinking the wrong things for hypothyroidism. ... > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Duffy wrote: > > > How do we know if we still have thyroid function? Stop all meds and be > tested? Do you need a full replacement dose of the hormone to keep your TSH below 2? If not, you have at least some thyroid function left. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 When on Syn - I took 100mcg (61 yr old female, 180 lbs) stopped and went On Armour 90 mg a day - currently unavailable in my area and am now on Nature=throid - 120 mg day. Drug sites have no firm full replacment dose figure, but I seem to fall within the range - so I can eat my cabbage, broccoli, etc??????????????? On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: > Duffy wrote: > > > > > > How do we know if we still have thyroid function? Stop all meds and be > > tested? > > Do you need a full replacement dose of the hormone to keep your TSH > below 2? If not, you have at least some thyroid function left. > > Chuck > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Hello, if I may interject something here as a new member. I read a book called Iodine by Brownstein MD and he says that with a small supplement you can usually discontinue all medications given to hypothyroid patients. ...................Bonnie _____ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Duffy Sent: August 21, 2009 12:17 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: No No`s for Hypo: When on Syn - I took 100mcg (61 yr old female, 180 lbs) stopped and went On Armour 90 mg a day - currently unavailable in my area and am now on Nature=throid - 120 mg day. Drug sites have no firm full replacment dose figure, but I seem to fall within the range - so I can eat my cabbage, broccoli, etc??????????????? On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Chuck B <gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> net> wrote: > Duffy wrote: > > > > > > How do we know if we still have thyroid function? Stop all meds and be > > tested? > > Do you need a full replacement dose of the hormone to keep your TSH > below 2? If not, you have at least some thyroid function left. > > Chuck > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 As I understand it " full replacement dose " is a variable. I believe it's based upon body mass, gender and probably other factors. On top of that we as humans vary. So often the doctor will titrate the dose, which means he will increase it until the desired result or level is reached. Luck, .. .. > > Posted by: " Duffy " knockneed@... > <mailto:knockneed@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20No%20No%60s%20for%20Hypo%3A> > dufeey <dufeey> > > > Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:17 am (PDT) > > > > When on Syn - I took 100mcg (61 yr old female, 180 lbs) stopped and went > On Armour 90 mg a day - currently unavailable in my area and am now > on Nature=throid - 120 mg day. Drug sites have no firm full replacment > dose > figure, but I seem to fall within the range - so I can eat my cabbage, > broccoli, etc????????? > ?????? > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Chuck B <gumboyaya@... > <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net>> wrote: > > > Duffy wrote: > > > > > > > > > How do we know if we still have thyroid function? Stop all meds and be > > > tested? > > > > Do you need a full replacement dose of the hormone to keep your TSH > > below 2? If not, you have at least some thyroid function left. > > > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Welcome to the group. We have diverse viewpoints here; and mine generally is in line with modern science and medicine to the extent that I understand them; although I have no credentials whatsoever. So consider that when you read my opinions. Dr. Brownstein has absolutely no respect whatsoever in any credible research publication. His posits are contradicted by all of modern medicine and his suggestions and are such that if you follow them there is a chance you will be harmed or killed. He does, however, have an enthusiastic following among certain types of patients. His followers typically seem to think that 99% of allopathic practitioners are quacks and probably about the same percentage of doctors are convinced he is a quack. There is NO support ANYWHERE in any credible research for his posits on iodine; and as a matter of fact many of them are flat out contradicted. He is IIRC paid to promote the sale of iodine products by a company with which he is associated [Optimox]. .. .. > Posted by: " Bonnie Cole " bonnieview@... > <mailto:bonnieview@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20No%20No%60s%20for%20Hypo%3A> > anunnakica <anunnakica> > > > Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:33 pm (PDT) > > > > Hello, if I may interject something here as a new member. I read a book > called Iodine by Brownstein MD and he says that with a small > supplement you can usually discontinue all medications given to > hypothyroid > patients. ............ > .......Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 , You wrote: > > As I understand it " full replacement dose " is a variable. I believe > it's based upon body mass, gender and probably other factors.... It can be quite reliably calculated from body mass, age, and gender alone. Synthroid publishes guidelines for how to calculate it. A study published a couple of years ago suggested that it was sufficiently reliable, that doctors could safely skip the titration procedure and jump immediately to the full replacement dose, with the allowance for possible small adjustments after that. The catch is that the patient needs to have no cardiac indications, so that any need for small adjustments would stay safe. I have not heard of any doctors other than the authors that actually follow that recommendation, but the principle behind it is real. The main variation between individuals is with residual thyroid function, which will call for less than the full replacement dose. The other variable has to do with absorption, but this would call for a HIGHER than full replacement to keep the TSH low. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 , while I don't want to get into an argument with you, I note that what you write below is slanderous of the man. You might have said: 'not everyone agrees with Dr....' or something like that. But you went far beyond that, and I think we should be careful not to do that. Ilana > Dr. Brownstein has absolutely no respect whatsoever in any credible research publication. His posits are contradicted by all of modern medicine and his suggestions and are such that if you follow them there is a chance you will be harmed or killed. He does, however, have an enthusiastic following among certain types of patients. His followers typically seem to think that 99% of allopathic practitioners are quacks and probably about the same percentage of doctors are convinced he is a quack. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 I probably also should have mentioned that some patients [those with active Hashimoto's] may have a variable output of T4 from their thyroid gland [before it is destroyed] that further complicates treatment. The dose may have to go up and down to try to match your output. Luck, .. .. > > Posted by: " " res075oh@... > <mailto:res075oh@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20No%20No%60s%20for%20Hypo%3A> > jamesl33511 <jamesl33511> > > > Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:16 am (PDT) > > > > As I understand it " full replacement dose " is a variable. I believe > it's based upon body mass, gender and probably other factors. On top of > that we as humans vary. So often the doctor will titrate the dose, > which means he will increase it until the desired result or level is > reached. > > Luck, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Hi, Chuck. I remember you have mentioned something about this before. I guess one of the problems for doctors is they always have to consider whether they will be sued or not. Another factor I consider is that some small percentage of patients don't seem to do well with standard treatment; probably 5% or less. Whether they need a different dose [possibly due to absorption problems as you mentioned] I don't know. I do suspect that some of them have other complicating health problems. I take 75 mcg of T4 daily and I'm 68, 188 pounds male. I rather suspect that would be less than the calculated dose if it were established that my thyroid gland did not produce at all. OTOH I have a rapid heartbeat which is controlled by medication so I might be the exception to the standard dose; or at least one with whom the doctor would be extra careful to not exceed my needs. Regards, .. .. > > Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@... > <mailto:gumboyaya@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20No%20No%60s%20for%20Hypo%3A> > gumbo482001 <gumbo482001> > > > Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:22 pm (PDT) > > > > , > > You wrote: > > > > As I understand it " full replacement dose " is a variable. I believe > > it's based upon body mass, gender and probably other factors.... > > It can be quite reliably calculated from body mass, age, and gender > alone. Synthroid publishes guidelines for how to calculate it. > > A study published a couple of years ago suggested that it was > sufficiently reliable, that doctors could safely skip the titration > procedure and jump immediately to the full replacement dose, with the > allowance for possible small adjustments after that. The catch is that > the patient needs to have no cardiac indications, so that any need for > small adjustments would stay safe. > > I have not heard of any doctors other than the authors that actually > follow that recommendation, but the principle behind it is real. The > main variation between individuals is with residual thyroid function, > which will call for less than the full replacement dose. > > The other variable has to do with absorption, but this would call for a > HIGHER than full replacement to keep the TSH low. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Hi ! I have personal experience with nutrition correcting biological problems rather than medication. About 10 years ago I went to the Dr. about some different symptoms. They tested my blood pressure and were alarmed. My Dr. wanted to put me on blood pressure medication. I said, " No " . He brought a colleague in to convince me of it's necessity....again, I said, " No " . I knew that it was my diet and was not going to forever be shackled to high blood pressure medication. The Doctors gave me 2 weeks. They said that if my blood pressure wasn't significantly down they would insist on the medication. I went on a " raw and living food " diet. In two weeks they were amazed. They never thought that nutrition could make such a change in so short a time. All my tests came back perfect. I have two friends who are bi-polar. As long as they stay on the " raw and living foods " diet, they don't have to take medication. As soon as they go off the diet....look out and stay out of their way. They are the ones who struggle the most. Just like with their medication, they don't seem to want to stay on a system that works for them. I also have another friend who " was " HIV positive. He didn't have full blown AIDs, but he was HIV positive. He went on the " raw and living foods " diet and within a year they could not find the HIV virus in his system. If you create an alkaline environment within the body a virus can't live there. I have three more friends who " were " diabetic. They went on the " raw and living foods " diet and are no longer insulin dependent. Their blood sugar levels are normal. Reversing Diabetes Naturally (this study was done by people I know personally): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1407054601065907544 <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1407054601065907544> Do I think " the raw and living foods " diet a panacea...almost...but not absolute. I only have 1/4 of my thyroid due to a tumor in my 20s. I also started menopause a few years back. What I didn't know then, but soon learned...was that soy was a thyroid inhibitor. I was eating raw edamame all day long. It was my snack food. I started gaining weight expedientially and couldn't understand where it was coming from. I then read a book, The Whole Soy Story, by Kaayla T. , PHD. CCN. A link to excerpts of her book here: http://www.wholesoystory.com/index.php?pageID=Excerpts <http://www.wholesoystory.com/index.php?pageID=Excerpts> (I gave this book away for Christmas to everyone I knew 5 years ago.) There are soy products that are ok to eat...as long as it's been fermented. The fermentation process is what brakes down the problematic flavonoids in soy. There are certain miso's and soy sauces (Nama Shoyu), for example, that can be eaten because they've been fermented for 6 months. I've also been fermenting spinach and cabbage (Sour kraut). The fermentation process, if done correctly, also adds probiotics naturally to your diet. I've just started hearing about Dr. Brownstein. I haven't read anything by him yet...but the limited info I've been hearing from him makes sense...I am going to investigate him further. As for my point to all of this? The medical community has a vested interest in debunking anything that is a more simple cure. There goes the profits for the pharmaceutical companies...they can't Patten it, and therefore, must find fault. So, I don't believe everything the medical community purports. But I don't discount everything either. Even though I think the medical community over medicates...I do think there are always instances where someone is in need of medications. But this is after dedicated attempts at changing the diet doesn't work. If anyone has seen the new show " The Doctors " you will see that they are now reflecting these same sentiments. So, not all doctors are saying the same thing. Nothing is absolute. It's simple chemistry. We started having chemical imbalances when we stared cooking foods. Fresh vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, and I do eat raw eggs; have all the nutrition in them that you need. When you cook something it kills the vitamins, therefore creating a chemical imbalance. The minerals need the vitamins to be absorbed properly just as the vitamins need the minerals. Everything is in it's proper proportion within the food for absolute absorption and utilization. But...I understand that not everyone can or even want to live this type of diet. And I do believe that every condition can still be handled through diet even when you cook. You eat organically, grass fed beef instead of grain fed, free range corn fed chickens and eggs, organically raised vegetables, fruits, nuts, and seeds. No processed foods such as white flour, sugar, boxed anything, or fast foods. There are crock pots that you can throw things into and it will be done when you get home from work at night. You can throw a chicken and some veggies in and have baked chicken when you get home. This also applies to making a roast, stew, or casserole. You'll have enough left over to have for lunch the next day or dinner again. There are so many ways to have a healthy nutritious meal…and it tastes better too. Namaste! Pamela > > Welcome to the group. We have diverse viewpoints here; and mine > generally is in line with modern science and medicine to the extent that > I understand them; although I have no credentials whatsoever. So > consider that when you read my opinions. > > Dr. Brownstein has absolutely no respect whatsoever in any credible > research publication. His posits are contradicted by all of modern > medicine and his suggestions and are such that if you follow them there > is a chance you will be harmed or killed. He does, however, have an > enthusiastic following among certain types of patients. His followers > typically seem to think that 99% of allopathic practitioners are quacks > and probably about the same percentage of doctors are convinced he is a > quack. > > There is NO support ANYWHERE in any credible research for his posits on > iodine; and as a matter of fact many of them are flat out contradicted. > He is IIRC paid to promote the sale of iodine products by a company with > which he is associated [Optimox]. > > > . > . > > > > > Posted by: " Bonnie Cole " bonnieview@... > > <mailto:bonnieview@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20No%20No%60s%20for%20Hypo%3A> > > anunnakica <anunnakica> > > > > > > Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:33 pm (PDT) > > > > > > > > Hello, if I may interject something here as a new member. I read a book > > called Iodine by Brownstein MD and he says that with a small > > supplement you can usually discontinue all medications given to > > hypothyroid > > patients. ............ > > .......Bonnie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 , You wrote: > > ...Another factor I consider is that some small percentage of patients > don't seem to do well with standard treatment; probably 5% or less.... > I take 75 mcg of T4 daily and I'm 68, 188 pounds male.... My original question was about a necessary but not sufficient condition. If you take a full replacement dose (or more) to keep TSH below 2, then you probably do not have any function left. OTOH, if you take less than a full replacement dose, you could have some function. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 We all have our opinions. In my opinion my description is accurate and I can substantiate it with very widely available facts. I'm sorry if you were offended, but I am offended when someone [especially someone with the intelligence and education that Dr. Brownstein has] posts instructions that have been proved to have the possibility of fatal results. IMHO it is inexcusable. People have DIED from doing exactly what he suggests. If you feel there is any part of my post which is not accurate please point it out and I will address it. I don't want to argue with you either but I actually toned down my contempt quite a bit for that post. I respect your right to disagree and will iterate again: I'm no expert on anything. I approach this and some other facts of life from the viewpoint of a lay person with a fairly decent understanding of the scientific method and an appreciation of same; and from the viewpoint of allopathic medicine. Regards, , , > > Posted by: " ilanar49 " ilanar49@... > <mailto:ilanar49@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20No%20No%60s%20for%20Hypo%3A> > ilanar49 <ilanar49> > > > Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:59 am (PDT) > > > > , while I don't want to get into an argument with you, I note > that what you write below is slanderous of the man. You might have > said: 'not everyone agrees with Dr....' or something like that. But > you went far beyond that, and I think we should be careful not to do that. > > Ilana > > > > > Dr. Brownstein has absolutely no respect whatsoever in any credible > research publication. His posits are contradicted by all of modern > medicine and his suggestions and are such that if you follow them there > is a chance you will be harmed or killed. He does, however, have an > enthusiastic following among certain types of patients. His followers > typically seem to think that 99% of allopathic practitioners are quacks > and probably about the same percentage of doctors are convinced he is a > quack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Hi, Pamela. You covered a heck of a lot of territory in your post. To me your alternative approach to health makes more sense than about 99.99...% of other approaches of alternative medicine. I'll just make a couple of comments. Alkaline envoironment: Read VERMONT FOLK MEDICINE by Dr. Deforest Clinton Jarvis. He spent many years coming to the opposite conclusion, and I had some good [and unexpected] results in following his advice. As did my mother. So I don't know... Soy: Yes, you can apparently take out some/most/maybe all? of the poisons in it; but why bother? There are so many healthy foods that do not contain these poisons. I think our ancestors had it right: Soy is not fit for humans. And most of us would still think the same except for the millions or hundreds of millions of dollars big agri has spent to convince you that not only is it not bad for you but rather it is a health food. In any event for those of us who shop at the supermarket soy is in 50% or 60% of all the products on the shelf according to info I've read [i have not verified it] so we get more than we need unless we eat like you do. And here: .. > But...I understand that not everyone can or even want to live this type > of diet. And I do believe that every condition can still be handled > through diet even when you cook. .. I agree with the first part but strongly disagree with the second part. There are conditions that CANNOT be handled with diet alone; at least according to all of the credible evidence that we have. I had to have emergency surgery on Jan. 8, 2000 and if I had tried to " cure " myself with diet I would have been dead in a few days. A couple of months before that I was diagnosed with melanoma and there is no evidence that any kind of diet would have helped there; but a simple surgery took care of the problem [outpatient]. There are many such cases. Could I have prevented both of these problems by " proper diet " in the months/years leading up to those dates? Your answer will depend upon your opinions. There is no diet that will replace thyroxine. If you don't make it you have to replace it or you will become very ill and die. Slowly and very painfully. Actually, I see you agreed with another part of your post. You write as one both intelligent and well educated so you probably know the value of anecdotal evidence in research so I'll not belabor that point. As for the pharmaceutical companies: They're now supporting Obamacare whole heartedly. That alone should give us pause. As for the tv show " Doctors " I don't watch tv. I waste so much time with the computer and that probably makes up for it. Regards, .. .. > Posted by: " pblivingintheraw " livingintheraw@... > <mailto:livingintheraw@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20No%20No%60s%20for%20Hypo%3A> > pblivingintheraw <pblivingintheraw> > > > Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:01 am (PDT) > > > > > Hi ! > > I have personal experience with nutrition correcting biological problems > rather than medication. About 10 years ago I went to the Dr. about some > different symptoms. They tested my blood pressure and were alarmed. My > Dr. wanted to put me on blood pressure medication. I said, " No " . He > brought a colleague in to convince me of it's necessity... > .again, I > said, " No " . I knew that it was my diet and was not going to forever be > shackled to high blood pressure medication. The Doctors gave me 2 > weeks. They said that if my blood pressure wasn't significantly down > they would insist on the medication. > > I went on a " raw and living food " diet. In two weeks they were amazed. > They never thought that nutrition could make such a change in so short a > time. All my tests came back perfect. > > I have two friends who are bi-polar. As long as they stay on the " raw > and living foods " diet, they don't have to take medication. As soon as > they go off the diet....look out and stay out of their way. They are > the ones who struggle the most. Just like with their medication, they > don't seem to want to stay on a system that works for them. > > I also have another friend who " was " HIV positive. He didn't have full > blown AIDs, but he was HIV positive. He went on the " raw and living > foods " diet and within a year they could not find the HIV virus in his > system. If you create an alkaline environment within the body a virus > can't live there. > > I have three more friends who " were " diabetic. They went on the " raw > and living foods " diet and are no longer insulin dependent. Their blood > sugar levels are normal. > > Reversing Diabetes Naturally (this study was done by people I know > personally): > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1407054601065907544 > <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1407054601065907544> > <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1407054601065907544 > <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1407054601065907544>> > > Do I think " the raw and living foods " diet a panacea...almost...but not > absolute. I only have 1/4 of my thyroid due to a tumor in my 20s. I > also started menopause a few years back. What I didn't know then, but > soon learned...was that soy was a thyroid inhibitor. I was eating raw > edamame all day long. It was my snack food. I started gaining weight > expedientially and couldn't understand where it was coming from. I then > read a book, The Whole Soy Story, by Kaayla T. , PHD. CCN. A link > to excerpts of her book here: > > http://www.wholesoystory.com/index.php?pageID=Excerpts > <http://www.wholesoystory.com/index.php?pageID=Excerpts> > <http://www.wholesoystory.com/index.php?pageID=Excerpts > <http://www.wholesoystory.com/index.php?pageID=Excerpts>> (I gave this > book away for Christmas to everyone I knew 5 years ago.) > > There are soy products that are ok to eat...as long as it's been > fermented. The fermentation process is what brakes down the problematic > flavonoids in soy. There are certain miso's and soy sauces (Nama > Shoyu), for example, that can be eaten because they've been fermented > for 6 months. I've also been fermenting spinach and cabbage (Sour > kraut). The fermentation process, if done correctly, also adds > probiotics naturally to your diet. > > I've just started hearing about Dr. Brownstein. I haven't read anything > by him yet...but the limited info I've been hearing from him makes > sense...I am going to investigate him further. > > As for my point to all of this? The medical community has a vested > interest in debunking anything that is a more simple cure. There goes > the profits for the pharmaceutical companies...they can't Patten it, and > therefore, must find fault. So, I don't believe everything the medical > community purports. But I don't discount everything either. > > Even though I think the medical community over medicates...I do think > there are always instances where someone is in need of medications. But > this is after dedicated attempts at changing the diet doesn't work. If > anyone has seen the new show " The Doctors " you will see that they are > now reflecting these same sentiments. So, not all doctors are saying > the same thing. Nothing is absolute. > > It's simple chemistry. We started having chemical imbalances when we > stared cooking foods. Fresh vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, and I do > eat raw eggs; have all the nutrition in them that you need. When you > cook something it kills the vitamins, therefore creating a chemical > imbalance. The minerals need the vitamins to be absorbed properly just > as the vitamins need the minerals. Everything is in it's proper > proportion within the food for absolute absorption and utilization. > > But...I understand that not everyone can or even want to live this type > of diet. And I do believe that every condition can still be handled > through diet even when you cook. You eat organically, grass fed beef > instead of grain fed, free range corn fed chickens and eggs, organically > raised vegetables, fruits, nuts, and seeds. No processed foods such as > white flour, sugar, boxed anything, or fast foods. There are crock pots > that you can throw things into and it will be done when you get home > from work at night. You can throw a chicken and some veggies in and > have baked chicken when you get home. This also applies to making a > roast, stew, or casserole. You'll have enough left over to have for > lunch the next day or dinner again. There are so many ways to have a > healthy nutritious meal…and it tastes better too. > > Namaste! > > Pamela > > > > > > Welcome to the group. We have diverse viewpoints here; and mine > > generally is in line with modern science and medicine to the extent > that > > I understand them; although I have no credentials whatsoever. So > > consider that when you read my opinions. > > > > Dr. Brownstein has absolutely no respect whatsoever in any credible > > research publication. His posits are contradicted by all of modern > > medicine and his suggestions and are such that if you follow them > there > > is a chance you will be harmed or killed. He does, however, have an > > enthusiastic following among certain types of patients. His followers > > typically seem to think that 99% of allopathic practitioners are > quacks > > and probably about the same percentage of doctors are convinced he is > a > > quack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 It has been my experience that if there is a miracle cure for an illness, the news goes around the world before you could blink an eye. If this were true, all the people who DO take iodine would not have thyroid disease any more. Sadly, they do. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > > > How do we know if we still have thyroid function? Stop all meds and be > > tested? > > Do you need a full replacement dose of the hormone to keep your TSH > below 2? If not, you have at least some thyroid function left. > > Chuck > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 In essence what you've said is true, but only if eveyone has thyroid disease for the same exact reason, which in this case would be lack of iodine in the diet. The reason they have thyroid disease could be from another hormone being out of balance, an underlying/undetected infection, etc. So taking iodine may not help everyone just because not everyone has thryoid disease for the same reasons. In general, iodine should help everyone that is lacking, no matter why they are lacking. But it just doesn't always work that way. _____ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Roni Molin Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:54 PM hypothyroidism Subject: RE: No No`s for Hypo: It has been my experience that if there is a miracle cure for an illness, the news goes around the world before you could blink an eye. If this were true, all the people who DO take iodine would not have thyroid disease any more. Sadly, they do. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > > > How do we know if we still have thyroid function? Stop all meds and be > > tested? > > Do you need a full replacement dose of the hormone to keep your TSH > below 2? If not, you have at least some thyroid function left. > > Chuck > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 hello : i am a new member and i,d like to say something about my hypothyroidism which is not directly related to lack of iodine . i discovered i had high tsh which is a hermone ejected by hypothalamas gand .this hermone enhannce the work of the pitutary gland which means if it,s low the pitutary gland increase it,s hermones and this leads to hyper thyrodism and if it's high the pitutary will decrease it's work or sometimes stops it . this a hermone regulated by eltroxin therapy and it's affected mainly by stress . so do any one thinks iodine is the answer to my hypothyrodism? may god heal all . > > > > > > How do we know if we still have thyroid function? Stop all meds and be > > tested? > > Do you need a full replacement dose of the hormone to keep your TSH > below 2? If not, you have at least some thyroid function left. > > Chuck > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 hello : i am a new member and i,d like to say something about my hypothyroidism which is not directly related to lack of iodine . i discovered i had high tsh which is a hermone ejected by hypothalamas gand .this hermone enhannce the work of the pitutary gland which means if it,s low the pitutary gland increase it,s hermones and this leads to hyper thyrodism and if it's high the pitutary will decrease it's work or sometimes stops it . this a hermone regulated by eltroxin therapy and it's affected mainly by stress . so do any one thinks iodine is the answer to my hypothyrodism? may god heal all . > > > > > > How do we know if we still have thyroid function? Stop all meds and be > > tested? > > Do you need a full replacement dose of the hormone to keep your TSH > below 2? If not, you have at least some thyroid function left. > > Chuck > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Anyone who says that is full of it. If your body no longer produces thyroxine you have to replace it or you will sicken and eventually die. The posits of the " iodine docs " [of which Brownstein is one] are totally unsupported by any credible research; and as a matter of fact are contradicted by same. Luck, .. .. > > > From: Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@... > <mailto:bonnieview%40sympatico.ca>> > Subject: RE: No No`s for Hypo: > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 12:31 PM > > Hello, if I may interject something here as a new member. I read a book > called Iodine by Brownstein MD and he says that with a small > supplement you can usually discontinue all medications given to > hypothyroid > patients. ............ > .......Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 It is well established that patients who do not receive the RDA of iodine can benefit from taking up to that quantity. That happens to be MOL 150 mcg/day. The iodine quacks often recommend 50,000 to 100,000 mcg/day. There is ample credible support for the ill effects of such quantities at least in some people; and no credible evidence to support that such a quantity is needed. No where in the history of humanity has that level of iodine been available in the environment. In the US it is rare for anyone to not receive the RDA without taking a supplement. .. .. > > Posted by: " " vegasmomof3@... > <mailto:vegasmomof3@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20No%20No%60s%20for%20Hypo%3A> > ginabeene <ginabeene> > > > Sat Oct 3, 2009 5:41 pm (PDT) > > > > In essence what you've said is true, but only if eveyone has thyroid > disease > for the same exact reason, which in this case would be lack of iodine > in the > diet. The reason they have thyroid disease could be from another hormone > being out of balance, an underlying/undetect > ed infection, etc. So taking > iodine may not help everyone just because not everyone has thryoid disease > for the same reasons. In general, iodine should help everyone that is > lacking, no matter why they are lacking. But it just doesn't always work > that way. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 ,  Of course I agree with you. I think the problem comes in because many people think thyroid is a " medication " . They don't realize that it is a necessary hormone that the body needs in order to live. I have an aunt who was concerned that her son take lots of " pills " and she thinks that all this medication is bad for him. He, however, is a pharmacologist, and takes vitamins, minerals and the like, some for conditions he has and some to prevent other conditions. My aunt was unable to understand the distiction between medication and vitamin and/or mineral supplementation. I believe that is a common misonception. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > From: Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@... > <mailto:bonnieview%40sympatico.ca>> > Subject: RE: No No`s for Hypo: > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 12:31 PM > > Hello, if I may interject something here as a new member. I read a book > called Iodine by Brownstein MD and he says that with a small > supplement you can usually discontinue all medications given to > hypothyroid > patients.                 ............ > .......Bonnie ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 , The RDA, as I understand it, is the minimum daily amount recommended to prevent deficiency caused health problems short term. What is optimum and what amount is needed long term is not a part of the RDA. The optimum amount is often completely different than the minimum amount. Additionally, drugs and chemicals found it the environment today including foods often deplete certain vitamins and minerals requiring greater amounts to compensate. For example, metformin, a drug commonly prescribed for diabetes, uses up or in some way lowers B12 levels. Statin drugs lower CoQ10 levels. Some of the chemicals in the environment attach to and/or block say estradiol receptors. I suspect that there are T3 receptors being block by chemical agents we are exposed to that otherwise which would not be found in a pristine natural environment (not that that exists anywhere on earth anymore). In other words, I don't think that 150 mcg is anywhere close to an optimum amount, but one can be certain that at least that much is required for some degree of health, but what is optimum is a whole 'nother story. Steve wrote: > It is well established that patients who do not receive the RDA of > iodine can benefit from taking up to that quantity. That happens to be > MOL 150 mcg/day. The iodine quacks often recommend 50,000 to 100,000 > mcg/day. There is ample credible support for the ill effects of such > quantities at least in some people; and no credible evidence to support > that such a quantity is needed. No where in the history of humanity has > that level of iodine been available in the environment. > > In the US it is rare for anyone to not receive the RDA without taking a > supplement. > > > . > . > >> Posted by: " " vegasmomof3@... >> <mailto:vegasmomof3@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20No%20No%60s%20for%20Hypo%3A> >> ginabeene <ginabeene> >> >> >> Sat Oct 3, 2009 5:41 pm (PDT) >> >> >> >> In essence what you've said is true, but only if eveyone has thyroid >> disease >> for the same exact reason, which in this case would be lack of iodine >> in the >> diet. The reason they have thyroid disease could be from another hormone >> being out of balance, an underlying/undetect >> ed infection, etc. So taking >> iodine may not help everyone just because not everyone has thryoid disease >> for the same reasons. In general, iodine should help everyone that is >> lacking, no matter why they are lacking. But it just doesn't always work >> that way. >> >> -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 If you obtain the RDA of iodine then it is unlikely you have an iodine deficiency. And in that case it is unlikely iodine will properly treat your hypothyroidism, despite what you will read on the quack sites. If God heals all then doctors will be out of business. I don't think most of them are worried. .. .. > > Posted by: " Shams Salah " sshams93@... > <mailto:sshams93@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20No%20No%60s%20for%20Hypo%3A> > sshams93 <sshams93> > > > Sun Oct 4, 2009 9:20 am (PDT) > > > > hello : i am a new member and i,d like to say something about my > hypothyroidism which is not directly related to lack of iodine . i > discovered i had high tsh which is a hermone ejected by hypothalamas > gand .this hermone enhannce the work of the pitutary gland which means > if it,s low the pitutary gland increase it,s hermones and this leads > to hyper thyrodism and if it's high the pitutary will decrease it's > work or sometimes stops it . this a hermone regulated by eltroxin > therapy and it's affected mainly by stress . so do any one thinks > iodine is the answer to my hypothyrodism? may god heal all . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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