Fw: [iodine] New Flechas interview on the radio

January 13, 2007

Thank you very much, Lynn, for letting us know of these excellent audio programs

with Flechas and Blaylock!!! I'll be adding links to both of these to

iodine4health as soon as I can.

Here is a brief summary of the one by Blaylock, MD.

Iodine Deficiency

MP3 Audio -- 60 minutes RadioLiberty.com January 3, 2007

This is a 60-minute audio presentation by Dr Blaylock. a neurosurgeon, on Radio

Liberty.

The first part focuses on the decline of iodine levels in the US and some of the

disease conditions associated with iodine deficiency. He discusses breast

cancer, hypothyroidism, atherosclerosis (hardening of the arteries, heart

attacks, strokes), fibrocystic breasts, hypertension (high blood pressure)

fibromyalgia, and thyroid cancer. He discusses a variety of studies in many

countries that support the connection between iodine deficiency and these

diseases.

The second part focuses on fluoride and its toxicity. He discusses numerous

health problems cause by fluoride and the fluoridation of water. He discusses

the evidence that fluoride is strongly associated with damaging DNA, interfering

with thyroid function leading to hypothyroidism, creating problems with

fluoridated organic molecules (Paxil, Prozac, some antibiotics, etc),

significantly increasing many types of cancer, increasing heart disease,

increasing oral cancer and periodontal disease, reducing zinc in body tissues

(including the brain), increasing Down's Syndrome, reducing testosterone and

sperm count, increasing Alzheimer's, and lowering IQ.

http://www.soundwaves2000.com/radio%5Fliberty/

[iodine] New Flechas interview on the radio

http://www.soundwaves2000.com/radio%5Fliberty/ (the episode from 1/5/07)

THis is excellent iwth lots of new information.

ALso another one by RIchard Blaylock further down. I've not heard it yet.

Lynn

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November 14, 2008

scroll down to " iodine sensitivity "

Gracia

Here are my comments on the Flechas radio interview. I definitely recommend

listening to the whole thing. Zoe

Iodine Deficiency MP3 audio -- 2 hours (takes a while to download)

RadioLiberty.com January 5, 2007.

In this two-hour radio presentation (mp3 audio), Flechas considers a range of

iodine related issues: fibrocystic breasts, hypothyroidism, ovarian cysts,

attention-deficit disorder, pregnancy, IQ, senility, iodine history, bromide,

fluoride, obesity, depression, constipation, detoxing (from bromide, fluoride,

arsenic, mercury, lead, aluminum), cancer (prostate, thyroid, breast), diabetes

(blood sugar control), receptors (hormones, neurotransmitters), testosterone,

itching, sweating, histidine and histamine, functions of iodine, heart disease

(especially arrhythmias, abnormal heart beats), iodine doses.

I will mention here just a few of the ideas he presents.

Recommended Iodine Protocol. 50 mg/day of iodine in the form of Lugol's or

Iodoral. Plus 1500 mg, twice a day, of Vitamin C (ester C or buffered C). If

high bromide, add one teaspoon per day of Celtic sea salt or Potassium chloride

(KCl).

Getting Off Thyroid Hormones. First, start the iodine supplementation. Then,

if there are symptoms of HYPERthyroidism (nervousness, insomnia, sweating in

palms, oily skin), you can reduce the thyroid hormones in half. Do not reduce

the thyroid hormones until symptoms of hyperthyroidism occur. They may occur 3

or 4 weeks after starting iodine supplementation, or 3 or 4 months later, or a

year later. Or it may not occur at all.

Why may the iodine enable you to reduce your thyroid hormones? Iodine will

increase the sensitivity of the thyroid RECEPTORS to the hormone. Thus, less

thyroid hormone is needed.

Hormone Receptors and Iodine. All hormone receptors are dependent on iodine,

which increases the sensitivity of the receptor to the hormone it is designed

for. For example, it can increase the sensitivity of insulin receptors and thus

help with diabetes. Similarly, it can increase the sensitivity of the receptors

for neurotransmitters (e.g., serotonin, dopamine, GABA) in the brain. Thus,

depression may lift after taking iodine. It can also increase the sensitivity

of receptors for testosterone and FSH/LH.

Thyroid Hormones and Iodine. If you take supplemental thyroid hormones, you

inhibit the ability of the body to absorb iodine. That is why they recommend to

patients about to received radioactive-iodine scans that they go off all thyroid

hormones for two to three weeks prior to the scan. Women who take thyroid

hormones have a much higher risk of breast cancer than other women.

Histidine and Histamine. Histidine is the precursor for histamine.

Anti-histamines are used to control runny noses, hives, and itching. Iodine

inhibits the conversion of histidine to histamine, thus reducing itching, hives,

etc.

Iodine and Heavy Metals. When taking iodine, there is GREATLY increased

excretion in the urine of arsenic, mercury, lead, aluminum, and other toxic

metals. Iodine is selective in that it leaves the essential metals (e.g., iron)

and removes the toxic ones.

Iodine and Cancer. In many cancers, the mechanism for getting iodine into the

cells (the NIS symporter) is not working. The cells can't absorb Iodine.

Absence of iodine is a promoter of thyroid cancer, breast cancer, and ovarian

cancer.

Bromide. Bromide builds up in the Central Nervous System and results in many

problems. In the 1920s Bromo-Seltzer was a bromide-based medicine that used to

be used for hangovers, calming the stomach, and headaches. It often resulted in

acute paranoid psychosis with large doses. Today, beverages (Mountain Dew,

Fresca, and citric Gatorade) contain bromide in the form of " brominated

vegetable oil " . It is used as an emulsifier in citrus-flavored soft drinks.

The bromide functions as a CNS depressant and triggers a number of symptoms like

paranoia. Bromide is also found in flour and bread. Brazil recently outlawed

bromide in flour products.

When iodine gets into the cells, it kicks the bromide out. Bromide then

increases in the blood stream and goes to the kidneys. Chloride pushes bromide

into the urine, thus getting rid of it. That's why taking salt is helpful in

moving bromide out of the body

Iodine in the Skin. 20% of the body iodine is in the skin. Iodine in the skin

helps your body be able to sweat.

Iodine and Pregnancy. IQ is mostly set by the age of two. Adequate iodine

during pregnancy and the first two years of life can increase IQ by 15 points.

If there is low iodine but high fluoride, it can result in cretinism (severe

mental retardation).

Iodine and Salt. 50% of American households are now using salt without iodine.

Moreover, the AMA is going to recommend reducing salt consumption by 50% over

the next 10 years. Iodine has been removed from bread and greatly reduced in

milk. Fewer and fewer Americans are getting sufficient iodine. 25-30% of

people over 60 who become senile are hypothyroid due to low iodine, often

because of low salt prescribed for hypertension.

Iodine and the Breast. Iodine is very important to the breast. Iodine

deficiency results in fibrocystic breasts, which can be cured with adequate

iodine. If left without iodine, the fibrocystic breasts can develop breast

cancer.

Iodine Sensitivity. If you can take iodized salt, you can take Lugol's or

Iodoral. If iodized salt gives you hives, avoid iodine. Less than 1/2% of the

population is iodine sensitive.

Iodine Loading Test. It is a good idea to take the Iodine Loading Test before

supplementing with iodine. Then, repeat the test in about 3 or 4 months to be

sure your body is absorbing the iodine appropriately. If it is not, your

practitioner can help you make changes so that your body will absorb it.

http://iodine4health.com/overviews/clinicians/flechas_clinician.htm

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Iodine Sensitivity. If you can take iodized salt, you can take Lugol's or

Iodoral. If iodized salt gives you hives, avoid iodine. Less than 1/2% of

the population is iodine sensitive.

You should read your own posts. It NEVER states that there is no such thing

as iodine allergies- it just says it is less common. Do you realize how many

people are in less than half of the population??? Thousands of people.

I think this post defeated your own argument, LOL!

-- Fw: [iodine] New Flechas interview on the radio

scroll down to " iodine sensitivity "

Gracia

Here are my comments on the Flechas radio interview. I definitely recommend

listening to the whole thing. Zoe

Iodine Deficiency MP3 audio -- 2 hours (takes a while to download)

RadioLiberty.com January 5, 2007.

In this two-hour radio presentation (mp3 audio), Flechas considers a range

of iodine related issues: fibrocystic breasts, hypothyroidism, ovarian cysts

attention-deficit disorder, pregnancy, IQ, senility, iodine history,

bromide, fluoride, obesity, depression, constipation, detoxing (from bromide

fluoride, arsenic, mercury, lead, aluminum), cancer (prostate, thyroid,

breast), diabetes (blood sugar control), receptors (hormones,

neurotransmitters), testosterone, itching, sweating, histidine and histamine

functions of iodine, heart disease (especially arrhythmias, abnormal heart

beats), iodine doses.

I will mention here just a few of the ideas he presents.

Recommended Iodine Protocol. 50 mg/day of iodine in the form of Lugol's or

Iodoral. Plus 1500 mg, twice a day, of Vitamin C (ester C or buffered C). If

high bromide, add one teaspoon per day of Celtic sea salt or Potassium

chloride (KCl).

Getting Off Thyroid Hormones. First, start the iodine supplementation. Then,

if there are symptoms of HYPERthyroidism (nervousness, insomnia, sweating in

palms, oily skin), you can reduce the thyroid hormones in half. Do not

reduce the thyroid hormones until symptoms of hyperthyroidism occur. They

may occur 3 or 4 weeks after starting iodine supplementation, or 3 or 4

months later, or a year later. Or it may not occur at all.

Why may the iodine enable you to reduce your thyroid hormones? Iodine will

increase the sensitivity of the thyroid RECEPTORS to the hormone. Thus, less

thyroid hormone is needed.

Hormone Receptors and Iodine. All hormone receptors are dependent on iodine,

which increases the sensitivity of the receptor to the hormone it is

designed for. For example, it can increase the sensitivity of insulin

receptors and thus help with diabetes. Similarly, it can increase the

sensitivity of the receptors for neurotransmitters (e.g., serotonin,

dopamine, GABA) in the brain. Thus, depression may lift after taking iodine.

It can also increase the sensitivity of receptors for testosterone and

FSH/LH.

Thyroid Hormones and Iodine. If you take supplemental thyroid hormones, you

inhibit the ability of the body to absorb iodine. That is why they recommend

to patients about to received radioactive-iodine scans that they go off all

thyroid hormones for two to three weeks prior to the scan. Women who take

thyroid hormones have a much higher risk of breast cancer than other women.

Histidine and Histamine. Histidine is the precursor for histamine.

Anti-histamines are used to control runny noses, hives, and itching. Iodine

inhibits the conversion of histidine to histamine, thus reducing itching,

hives, etc.

Iodine and Heavy Metals. When taking iodine, there is GREATLY increased

excretion in the urine of arsenic, mercury, lead, aluminum, and other toxic

metals. Iodine is selective in that it leaves the essential metals (e.g.,

iron) and removes the toxic ones.

Iodine and Cancer. In many cancers, the mechanism for getting iodine into

the cells (the NIS symporter) is not working. The cells can't absorb Iodine.

Absence of iodine is a promoter of thyroid cancer, breast cancer, and

ovarian cancer.

Bromide. Bromide builds up in the Central Nervous System and results in many

problems. In the 1920s Bromo-Seltzer was a bromide-based medicine that used

to be used for hangovers, calming the stomach, and headaches. It often

resulted in acute paranoid psychosis with large doses. Today, beverages

(Mountain Dew, Fresca, and citric Gatorade) contain bromide in the form of

brominated vegetable oil " . It is used as an emulsifier in citrus-flavored

soft drinks. The bromide functions as a CNS depressant and triggers a number

of symptoms like paranoia. Bromide is also found in flour and bread. Brazil

recently outlawed bromide in flour products.

When iodine gets into the cells, it kicks the bromide out. Bromide then

increases in the blood stream and goes to the kidneys. Chloride pushes

bromide into the urine, thus getting rid of it. That's why taking salt is

helpful in moving bromide out of the body

Iodine in the Skin. 20% of the body iodine is in the skin. Iodine in the

skin helps your body be able to sweat.

Iodine and Pregnancy. IQ is mostly set by the age of two. Adequate iodine

during pregnancy and the first two years of life can increase IQ by 15

points. If there is low iodine but high fluoride, it can result in cretinism

(severe mental retardation).

Iodine and Salt. 50% of American households are now using salt without

iodine. Moreover, the AMA is going to recommend reducing salt consumption by

50% over the next 10 years. Iodine has been removed from bread and greatly

reduced in milk. Fewer and fewer Americans are getting sufficient iodine.

25-30% of people over 60 who become senile are hypothyroid due to low iodine

often because of low salt prescribed for hypertension.

Iodine and the Breast. Iodine is very important to the breast. Iodine

deficiency results in fibrocystic breasts, which can be cured with adequate

iodine. If left without iodine, the fibrocystic breasts can develop breast

cancer.

Iodine Sensitivity. If you can take iodized salt, you can take Lugol's or

Iodoral. If iodized salt gives you hives, avoid iodine. Less than 1/2% of

the population is iodine sensitive.

Iodine Loading Test. It is a good idea to take the Iodine Loading Test

before supplementing with iodine. Then, repeat the test in about 3 or 4

months to be sure your body is absorbing the iodine appropriately. If it is

not, your practitioner can help you make changes so that your body will

absorb it.

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November 14, 2008

Gracia,

You quoted someone named Zoe, who obviously does not know what she is

talking about:

> ... Iodine Sensitivity. If you can take iodized salt, you can take Lugol's

> or Iodoral. If iodized salt gives you hives, avoid iodine. Less than

> 1/2% of the population is iodine sensitive.

Countless studies have shown that the percentage of people showing

sensitivity to iodine is dose dependent, with a large increase around 3

mg. Just because you don't react to iodized salt does not mean you do

not have the sensitivity. For the larger doses, the percentage is closer

to ten times what she says. Plus, chronic high doses can induce the

sensitivity, which means you may not show it the first time you try a

high dose or take the loading test. It could kill you later.

>

> Iodine Loading Test. It is a good idea to take the Iodine Loading Test

> before supplementing with iodine. Then, repeat the test in about 3 or 4

> months to be sure your body is absorbing the iodine appropriately.

As Dr. Gaby explained, this test is bogus, because it ignores

elimination of iodine in feces.

Chuck

November 14, 2008

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> Iodine Sensitivity. If you can take iodized salt, you can take Lugol's or

> Iodoral. If iodized salt gives you hives, avoid iodine. Less than 1/2% of

> the population is iodine sensitive.

>

> You should read your own posts. It NEVER states that there is no such thing

> as iodine allergies- it just says it is less common. Do you realize how many

> people are in less than half of the population??? Thousands of people.

> I think this post defeated your own argument, LOL!

There are 2620 people subscribed to this group as of 11/14/2008. If 1/2

of 1% are iodine sensitive, then that includes 131 members of our group.

Is that more than y'all expected?

--

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November 14, 2008

the quote is from Dr. Flechas, not Zoe. Zoe is a PhD in biochemistry who

started iodine group. Flechas has a website--I think it is

http://www.helpmythyroid.com

countless studies do not seem to be validated on iodine group. ppl there

take from 50--125mg Iodoral/Lugols. I have taken 100mg for 9 months now. I

will tell my son to let you know if I croak from iodine! no, I will come back

and haunt you.

Gracia

Gracia,

You quoted someone named Zoe, who obviously does not know what she is

talking about:

> ... Iodine Sensitivity. If you can take iodized salt, you can take Lugol's

> or Iodoral. If iodized salt gives you hives, avoid iodine. Less than

> 1/2% of the population is iodine sensitive.

Countless studies have shown that the percentage of people showing

sensitivity to iodine is dose dependent, with a large increase around 3

mg. Just because you don't react to iodized salt does not mean you do

not have the sensitivity. For the larger doses, the percentage is closer

to ten times what she says. Plus, chronic high doses can induce the

sensitivity, which means you may not show it the first time you try a

high dose or take the loading test. It could kill you later.

>

> Iodine Loading Test. It is a good idea to take the Iodine Loading Test

> before supplementing with iodine. Then, repeat the test in about 3 or 4

> months to be sure your body is absorbing the iodine appropriately.

As Dr. Gaby explained, this test is bogus, because it ignores

elimination of iodine in feces.

Chuck

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November 15, 2008

How much of Flechas iodine post is BS and how much has some element of

validity I don't know. But some of it should be questioned; for

example the statement that low iodine plus high fluoride results in

cretinism. Unless I'm mistaken low iodine [below RDA; not the 3300% or

6600% of RDA that some support] alone can result in cretinism. And if

the iodine loading test he has reference to is the skin loading test

it's BS pure and simple.

Too bad none of the " iodine docs " care enough to do any credible

research to demonstrate the benefits claimed for iodine.

..

> Iodine and Pregnancy. IQ is mostly set by the age of two. Adequate

> iodine during pregnancy and the first two years of life can increase

> IQ by 15 points. If there is low iodine but high fluoride, it can

> result in cretinism (severe mental retardation)

> .

November 15, 2008

That's another point that is questionable about the Flechas post. If I

remember correctly the number of people who are shown to have an iodine

sensitivity in credible research is on the order of 1% to 2%. But even

if we look at 300,000,000 people and consider that 1% of them might die

from a large dose of iodine then it's still 3,000,000 that might die or

be seriously harmed if they follow Gracia's advice. And one and a half

million if we depend upon the number provided by Flechas.

..

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

>

<mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Fw%3A%20%5Biodine%5D%20New%20Flech\

as%20interview%20on%20the%20radio>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

> Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:11 pm (PST)

>

> Iodine Sensitivity. If you can take iodized salt, you can take Lugol's or

> Iodoral. If iodized salt gives you hives, avoid iodine. Less than 1/2% of

> the population is iodine sensitive.

>

> You should read your own posts. It NEVER states that there is no such

> thing

> as iodine allergies- it just says it is less common. Do you realize

> how many

> people are in less

November 15, 2008

WTF?

there are many researchers working on iodine, including Brownstein who is not

accepting new patients so he can work on research. there is an iodine group

on for professionals only.

the iodine loading test (saliva) allows doc to see if iodine is being utilized

in the cells.

why are you so opinionated about a nutrient that used to be used very

effectively as the universal medicine? it is stupid to keep having this

debate. just look at the health epidemics we are deling with.

Gracia

How much of Flechas iodine post is BS and how much has some element of

validity I don't know. But some of it should be questioned; for

example the statement that low iodine plus high fluoride results in

cretinism. Unless I'm mistaken low iodine [below RDA; not the 3300% or

6600% of RDA that some support] alone can result in cretinism. And if

the iodine loading test he has reference to is the skin loading test

it's BS pure and simple.

Too bad none of the " iodine docs " care enough to do any credible

research to demonstrate the benefits claimed for iodine.

.

> Iodine and Pregnancy. IQ is mostly set by the age of two. Adequate

> iodine during pregnancy and the first two years of life can increase

> IQ by 15 points. If there is low iodine but high fluoride, it can

> result in cretinism (severe mental retardation)

> .

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November 15, 2008

As Chuck has pointed out the actual percentage of people who exhibit

iodine sensitivity at the dosage level that Flechas and Gracia recommend

is MUCH higher than claimed by Flechas; probably AT LEAST 500% greater.

So in our group of just over 2600 more than 78 would be at risk by

following Gracia's or Flechas' advice assuming 3%.

Steve, I think you need to check your math for decimal place position...

..

>

> Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@...

>

<mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Fw%3A%20%5Biodine%5D%20New\

%20Flechas%20interview%20on%20the%20radio>

> dudescholar <dudescholar>

>

> Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:16 pm (PST)

>

> Nancie Barnett wrote:

> > Iodine Sensitivity. If you can take iodized salt, you can take

> Lugol's or

> > Iodoral. If iodized salt gives you hives, avoid iodine. Less than

> 1/2% of

> > the population is iodine sensitive.

> >

> > You should read your own posts. It NEVER states that there is no

> such thing

> > as iodine allergies- it just says it is less common. Do you realize

> how many

> > people are in less than half of the population??

> ? Thousands of people.

> > I think this post defeated your own argument, LOL!

>

> There are 2620 people subscribed to this group as of 11/14/2008. If 1/2

> of 1% are iodine sensitive, then that includes 131 members of our group.

> Is that more than y'all expected?

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net>

November 15, 2008

this is wrong. sorry. in actual fact iodine is better tolerated at doses

of 50--100mg and that's what is recommended. on iodine group there is ONE

person who cannot tolerate iodine. there is more to iodine than just popping a

pill. that's why ATP cofactors and companion nutrients are recommended.

Gracia

As Chuck has pointed out the actual percentage of people who exhibit

iodine sensitivity at the dosage level that Flechas and Gracia recommend

is MUCH higher than claimed by Flechas; probably AT LEAST 500% greater.

So in our group of just over 2600 more than 78 would be at risk by

following Gracia's or Flechas' advice assuming 3%.

Steve, I think you need to check your math for decimal place position...

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November 15, 2008

Hey Chuck,

I'm quite aware of Gracia's enthusiasm for iodine and also appreciate

your well-backed up posts on this list.

I would very much appreciate your thoughts on one area - the

sensitivity of cells to thyroid hormone via either iodine or minerals

such as calcium and magnesium.

You probably saw that I had posted recently about the roles of Ca and

Mg in making the cells more or less permeable to nutrients and

hormones. Also the role of minerals such as selenium and potassium in

converting T4 to T3 within the cell.

I'm among the seemingly rather large number of folks on this list with

hypothyroid symptoms who have trouble getting well with conventional

T4 therapy or even Armour. The success I have had has been with large

dosages (e.g. 250-300mcg of T4 or 90mcg of time-release T3).

Do you feel mineral or iodine deficiencies might be responsible for

the apparent difficulty for some of us in getting thyroid hormone to

provide the hoped for benefit?

Many thanks,

Rick

>

> Gracia,

>

> You quoted someone named Zoe, who obviously does not know what she is

> talking about:

>

> > ... Iodine Sensitivity. If you can take iodized salt, you can take

Lugol's

> > or Iodoral. If iodized salt gives you hives, avoid iodine. Less than

> > 1/2% of the population is iodine sensitive.

>

> Countless studies have shown that the percentage of people showing

> sensitivity to iodine is dose dependent, with a large increase around 3

> mg. Just because you don't react to iodized salt does not mean you do

> not have the sensitivity. For the larger doses, the percentage is

closer

> to ten times what she says. Plus, chronic high doses can induce the

> sensitivity, which means you may not show it the first time you try a

> high dose or take the loading test. It could kill you later.

>

> >

> > Iodine Loading Test. It is a good idea to take the Iodine Loading

Test

> > before supplementing with iodine. Then, repeat the test in about 3

or 4

> > months to be sure your body is absorbing the iodine appropriately.

>

> As Dr. Gaby explained, this test is bogus, because it ignores

> elimination of iodine in feces.

>

> Chuck

>

November 15, 2008

wrote:

> As Chuck has pointed out the actual percentage of people who exhibit

> iodine sensitivity at the dosage level that Flechas and Gracia recommend

> is MUCH higher than claimed by Flechas; probably AT LEAST 500% greater.

> So in our group of just over 2600 more than 78 would be at risk by

> following Gracia's or Flechas' advice assuming 3%.

>

> Steve, I think you need to check your math for decimal place position...

>

I was just off by one little decimal point. <g>

> .

>

>> Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@...

>>

<mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Fw%3A%20%5Biodine%5D%20New\

%20Flechas%20interview%20on%20the%20radio>

>> dudescholar <dudescholar>

>>

>> Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:16 pm (PST)

>>

>> Nancie Barnett wrote:

>>> Iodine Sensitivity. If you can take iodized salt, you can take

>> Lugol's or

>>> Iodoral. If iodized salt gives you hives, avoid iodine. Less than

>> 1/2% of

>>> the population is iodine sensitive.

>>>

>>> You should read your own posts. It NEVER states that there is no

>> such thing

>>> as iodine allergies- it just says it is less common. Do you realize

>> how many

>>> people are in less than half of the population??

>> ? Thousands of people.

>>> I think this post defeated your own argument, LOL!

>> There are 2620 people subscribed to this group as of 11/14/2008. If 1/2

>> of 1% are iodine sensitive, then that includes 131 members of our group.

>> Is that more than y'all expected?

>>

>> --

>>

>> Steve - dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net>

--

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November 15, 2008

Gracia,

Why would one of the people that is sensitive to iodine stay on the

iodine group? They know from personal experience that the advice given

there at least does not apply to them. That makes the group rather self

selecting at best. Perhaps that is what gives you such a skewed view of

the subject.

Chuck

>

> this is wrong. sorry. in actual fact iodine is better tolerated at doses

> of 50--100mg and that's what is recommended. on iodine group there is

> ONE person who cannot tolerate iodine. there is more to iodine than just

> popping a pill. that's why ATP cofactors and companion nutrients are

> recommended.

November 16, 2008

there is a lot of great info on iodine group, research etc. I think it was

Brownstein who reported that he had four patients who were iodine sensitive and

he resolved that with NAET. there are many ppl on iodine group who beleived

they were " allergic " but found out they weren't. lower doses of iodine cause

probs whereas higher doses do not, ppl with seafood allergies believe they are

reacting to iodine but they are actually reacting to proteins, and then there is

allergy to organic iodine (not the same as Lugols or Iodoral). there is a lot

of mythology around the use of iodine/iodide.

Gracia

Gracia,

Why would one of the people that is sensitive to iodine stay on the

iodine group? They know from personal experience that the advice given

there at least does not apply to them. That makes the group rather self

selecting at best. Perhaps that is what gives you such a skewed view of

the subject.

Chuck

>

> this is wrong. sorry. in actual fact iodine is better tolerated at doses

> of 50--100mg and that's what is recommended. on iodine group there is

> ONE person who cannot tolerate iodine. there is more to iodine than just

> popping a pill. that's why ATP cofactors and companion nutrients are

> recommended.

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November 16, 2008

IMHO a genuine researcher in the field should be aware of general [as

well as specific] properties of the subject of research. So when

Brownstein quotes a number for the percentage of iodine sensitive people

in the general population that is sever hundred percent lower than that

supported by credible research then it makes his whole position

suspect. Especially since it's a life or death matter for anyone who is

foolish enough to jump into the soup following the iodine loading test

procedure. A genuine researcher simply cannot ignore all those who

might be killed by following his advice.

..

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Fw%3A%20%5Biodine%5D%20New%20Flec\

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

> Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:49 am (PST)

>

> WTF?

> there are many researchers working on iodine, including Brownstein who

> is not accepting new patients so he can work on research. there is an

> iodine group on for professionals only.

November 16, 2008

The credible research say that Flechas [and you] are wrong; and that is

supported by all of the peer reviewed literature.

For the iodine loading test with 50 mg iodine I have seen no

recommendations for the need to use cofactors or anything else with it.

But I'll readily admit I don't follow those recommendations that closely.

..

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

> Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:04 am (PST)

>

> this is wrong. sorry. in actual fact iodine is better tolerated at

> doses of 50--100mg and that's what is recommended. on iodine group

> there is ONE person who cannot tolerate iodine. there is more to

> iodine than just popping a pill. that's why ATP cofactors and

> companion nutrients are recommended.

> Gracia

>

> As Chuck has pointed out the actual percentage of people who exhibit

> iodine sensitivity at the dosage level that Flechas and Gracia recommend

> is MUCH higher than claimed by Flechas; probably AT LEAST 500% greater.

> So in our group of just over 2600 more than 78 would be at risk by

> following Gracia's or Flechas' advice assuming 3%.

>

> Steve, I think you need to check your math for decimal place position...

>

November 16, 2008

, my posts may give you the idea that I am opposed to the use of

iodine or alternative methods in cases like yours. That is not the case

at all. If I were unable to receive proper care with allopathic

medicine I would be looking at iodine and other substances mentioned here.

My protests are directed at a number of things: One is assuming that

whatever alternative method works for me would work for everyone. Given

how different we react at times that can range from foolish to fatal.

Two, I object to unsupported and questionable information being passed

off as credible research. That is as likely [or more so] to cause harm

than help. Three, I resent con artists and quacks who seek to enrich

themselves at the expense of sick, sometimes desperate, ill informed and

often poor people.

So there you have it. I heartily wish you the best of luck in your

efforts to get a handle on your health issues. I wish I could be of

assistance to you but beyond the methods of rather conventional care

[and at the lay level] I don't have any expertise. Chances are you

would not be harmed or killed if you took a massive dose of iodine, but

the probability is not zero; so be careful.

Regards,

..

> Posted by: " richardtcbatty " rbatty@...

>

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> richardtcbatty <richardtcbatty>

>

> Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:52 am (PST)

>

> Hey Chuck,

>

> I'm quite aware of Gracia's enthusiasm for iodine and also appreciate

> your well-backed up posts on this list.

>

> I would very much appreciate your thoughts on one area - the

> sensitivity of cells to thyroid hormone via either iodine or minerals

> such as calcium and magnesium.

>

> You probably saw that I had posted recently about the roles of Ca and

> Mg in making the cells more or less permeable to nutrients and

> hormones. Also the role of minerals such as selenium and potassium in

> converting T4 to T3 within the cell.

>

> I'm among the seemingly rather large number of folks on this list with

> hypothyroid symptoms who have trouble getting well with conventional

> T4 therapy or even Armour. The success I have had has been with large

> dosages (e.g. 250-300mcg of T4 or 90mcg of time-release T3).

>

> Do you feel mineral or iodine deficiencies might be responsible for

> the apparent difficulty for some of us in getting thyroid hormone to

> provide the hoped for benefit?

>

> Many thanks,

>

> Rick

>

> >

> > Gracia,

> >

> > You quoted someone named Zoe, who obviously does not know what she is

> > talking about:

> >

> > > ... Iodine Sensitivity. If you can take iodized salt, you can take

> Lugol's

> > > or Iodoral. If iodized salt gives you hives, avoid iodine. Less than

> > > 1/2% of the population is iodine sensitive.

> >

> > Countless studies have shown that the percentage of people showing

> > sensitivity to iodine is dose dependent, with a large increase around 3

> > mg. Just because you don't react to iodized salt does not mean you do

> > not have the sensitivity. For the larger doses, the percentage is

> closer

> > to ten times what she says. Plus, chronic high doses can induce the

> > sensitivity, which means you may not show it the first time you try a

> > high dose or take the loading test. It could kill you later.

> >

> > >

> > > Iodine Loading Test. It is a good idea to take the Iodine Loading

> Test

> > > before supplementing with iodine. Then, repeat the test in about 3

> or 4

> > > months to be sure your body is absorbing the iodine appropriately.

> >

> > As Dr. Gaby explained, this test is bogus, because it ignores

> > elimination of iodine in feces.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

November 16, 2008

Yep; I do that too. And sometimes more than one. It irks the crap out

of me...

..

> > Steve, I think you need to check your math for decimal place position...

> >

>

> I was just off by one little decimal point. <g>

November 16, 2008

,

No, I do get where you are coming from. And as a former scientist

myself, I agree with your opinions on generalizations. I do believe

Gracia tries to be helpful but she has no way of knowing my particular

situation other than the info I have shared here. Trying iodine would

be a complete shot in the dark for me. Furthermore, as Chuck wrote,

if one is taking thyroid hormone exogenously, the iodine has already

done it's job, in a sense, since one is taking in pill form what the

thyroid gland was unable to produce if iodine was deficient.

Yes, I have only looked at alternative methods since traditional

medicine has not helped me. E.g. taking 90mcg of time-release T3 goes

against what most docs would advise but it made me feel completely

normal in 1993. It might again if I patiently and slowly move to that

dosage. I have an added complication now having experienced atrial

fibrillation and an ablation to hopefully fix it.

Thanks again,

Rick

>

> , my posts may give you the idea that I am opposed to the use of

> iodine or alternative methods in cases like yours. That is not the

case

> at all. If I were unable to receive proper care with allopathic

> medicine I would be looking at iodine and other substances mentioned

here.

>

> My protests are directed at a number of things: One is assuming that

> whatever alternative method works for me would work for everyone.

Given

> how different we react at times that can range from foolish to fatal.

> Two, I object to unsupported and questionable information being passed

> off as credible research. That is as likely [or more so] to cause harm

> than help. Three, I resent con artists and quacks who seek to enrich

> themselves at the expense of sick, sometimes desperate, ill informed

and

> often poor people.

>

> So there you have it. I heartily wish you the best of luck in your

> efforts to get a handle on your health issues. I wish I could be of

> assistance to you but beyond the methods of rather conventional care

> [and at the lay level] I don't have any expertise. Chances are you

> would not be harmed or killed if you took a massive dose of iodine, but

> the probability is not zero; so be careful.

>

> Regards,

>

November 17, 2008

I am not trying to bug you but it seems to me that if someone is hypothyroid

and poorly regulated, that iodine would be an obvious thing to investigate.

Iodine/iodide is used by every cell in the body, not just thyroid.

I am confident however that the truth will out eventually.

gracia