Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 , You wrote: > > How variable are the different batches of Armour? ...Then it dawned on me that it > " could " be the Armour. maybe the last perscription wasn't as potent as > others? Armour was recently recalled due to instability problems. You may have been caught with a bad batch. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 I have never found the potency to be variable. you probly need more Armour. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com Gracia How variable are the different batches of Armour? I had stopped the intense itching on my upper arms after my first increase of Armour. That was about 4-5 months ago. Now the itching is back. I have suspected everything and tried to figure out if it was something I was eating, etc, but nothing else had caused it. Then it dawned on me that it " could " be the Armour. maybe the last perscription wasn't as potent as others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 About three months ago I received my first batch of Armour ordered over the internet. My levels have been all over the board...my depression shot off the charts and my energy was next to nothing. This all happened while I was taking 4 grains...the most I had ever taken. (Was previously on 3 grains and had not experienced these changes.) It is my belief that I received a bad batch of Armour. I have since broke down gone back to my GP for a prescription of a lower dose and I have been ok...not great but back to the way I was before the internet delivery of Armour. I would just be very cautious of order medication over the internet. Gracia <circe@...> wrote: I have never found the potency to be variable. you probly need more Armour. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com Gracia How variable are the different batches of Armour? I had stopped the intense itching on my upper arms after my first increase of Armour. That was about 4-5 months ago. Now the itching is back. I have suspected everything and tried to figure out if it was something I was eating, etc, but nothing else had caused it. Then it dawned on me that it " could " be the Armour. maybe the last perscription wasn't as potent as others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 if your med had an " A " on it then it is real Armour. you can check the recalls at http://www.thyroid.about.com I am not aware of any recall. gracia About three months ago I received my first batch of Armour ordered over the internet. My levels have been all over the board...my depression shot off the charts and my energy was next to nothing. This all happened while I was taking 4 grains...the most I had ever taken. (Was previously on 3 grains and had not experienced these changes.) It is my belief that I received a bad batch of Armour. I have since broke down gone back to my GP for a prescription of a lower dose and I have been ok...not great but back to the way I was before the internet delivery of Armour. I would just be very cautious of order medication over the internet. Gracia <circe@...> wrote: I have never found the potency to be variable. you probly need more Armour. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com Gracia How variable are the different batches of Armour? I had stopped the intense itching on my upper arms after my first increase of Armour. That was about 4-5 months ago. Now the itching is back. I have suspected everything and tried to figure out if it was something I was eating, etc, but nothing else had caused it. Then it dawned on me that it " could " be the Armour. maybe the last perscription wasn't as potent as others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Liz, You wrote: > > Do you have any links regarding recent recall of Armour? I googled and only > found a recall from a year and a half ago ... There were evidently four from last year on the same issue: http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topi\ cs/enforce/2005/ENF00899.html I found out about the recent recall from another list where a poster was in touch with a supplier that said the shortage in Armour was about to end. Evidently Forest Pharmaceuticals voluntarily stopped shipment and recalled some from the shelves until they were sure the stability problem was under control. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Wouldn't the pharmacy know that and send back what they had? The pharmacist didn't say anything about it when I asked him. Chrissie Re: variability of Armour , You wrote: > > How variable are the different batches of Armour? ...Then it dawned on me that it > " could " be the Armour. maybe the last perscription wasn't as potent as > others? Armour was recently recalled due to instability problems. You may have been caught with a bad batch. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Thanks. Yes, I checked and it does have an A on it. Re: variability of Armour if your med had an " A " on it then it is real Armour. you can check the recalls at http://www.thyroid.about.com I am not aware of any recall. gracia About three months ago I received my first batch of Armour ordered over the internet. My levels have been all over the board...my depression shot off the charts and my energy was next to nothing. This all happened while I was taking 4 grains...the most I had ever taken. (Was previously on 3 grains and had not experienced these changes.) It is my belief that I received a bad batch of Armour. I have since broke down gone back to my GP for a prescription of a lower dose and I have been ok...not great but back to the way I was before the internet delivery of Armour. I would just be very cautious of order medication over the internet. Gracia <circe@...> wrote: I have never found the potency to be variable. you probly need more Armour. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com Gracia How variable are the different batches of Armour? I had stopped the intense itching on my upper arms after my first increase of Armour. That was about 4-5 months ago. Now the itching is back. I have suspected everything and tried to figure out if it was something I was eating, etc, but nothing else had caused it. Then it dawned on me that it " could " be the Armour. maybe the last perscription wasn't as potent as others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Gracia wrote: > > I have never found the potency to be variable. you probly need more Armour. > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com <http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com> > Gracia > To which asked: > How variable are the different batches of Armour? ... From what I could find in the FDA documents ( http://www.fda.gov/Cber/gdlns/ichstab.htm ), 95% of the tested samples have to be within 5% of potency, batch to batch and after 24 months at room temperature and moderate humidity. Assuming everyone is testing and inspecting as required, this means you are very unlikely to see a variation as large as 10%, even when there is a recall. You can cause a much larger drop in absorption, on the order of 50% or more, by taking the meds too close to calcium/iron supplements or food. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 , You wrote: > ... It is my belief that > I received a bad batch of Armour. ... Or perhaps a batch of counterfeits. Even brick and mortar pharmacies are sometimes taken in by bargain suppliers, but the internet is notorious for selling fakes, even from reputable pharmacies. Simulating labels and pill colors has become a major industry in the Far East, although they usually go after the more expensive new drugs that are still under patent protection. They have started to target the older ones, since the enforcement seems to be a little less vigilant, and they can sometimes get away with just changing labels. This has become enough of a public safety issue that the FDA has a task force working on it. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Was on 50mg of DHEA for adrenal gland Gracia <circe@...> wrote: also p.s. your symptoms on 4 grains sound adrenal. gracia About three months ago I received my first batch of Armour ordered over the internet. My levels have been all over the board...my depression shot off the charts and my energy was next to nothing. This all happened while I was taking 4 grains...the most I had ever taken. (Was previously on 3 grains and had not experienced these changes.) It is my belief that I received a bad batch of Armour. I have since broke down gone back to my GP for a prescription of a lower dose and I have been ok...not great but back to the way I was before the internet delivery of Armour. I would just be very cautious of order medication over the internet. Gracia <circe@...> wrote: I have never found the potency to be variable. you probly need more Armour. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com Gracia How variable are the different batches of Armour? I had stopped the intense itching on my upper arms after my first increase of Armour. That was about 4-5 months ago. Now the itching is back. I have suspected everything and tried to figure out if it was something I was eating, etc, but nothing else had caused it. Then it dawned on me that it " could " be the Armour. maybe the last perscription wasn't as potent as others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Chrissy, You wrote: > > Wouldn't the pharmacy know that and send back what they had? ... Not necessarily, if they had already sold it to you. These sorts of recalls are rather common for all prescription meds and mainly result in a temporary dip in the supply. They won't go after medicines in patients' possession unless there is a serious threat to health, say a contamination issue. A 5% drop in potency over 24 months should not affect a one month prescription that you will finish taking in the next 30 days. Similar voluntary recalls have interrupted supplies of other sources of levothyroxine, including Synthroid. This is how the pharmaceutical companies show the FDA, and how the FDA shows the public, that everyone involved is doing a good job. Your mileage may vary. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 I get a three month supply at a time. That's how much my insurance will give me for one copay. My pharmacy doesn't dispense Armour very much, so depending on how large of a supply they ordered for me, I may still be using the same batch as last time or not. They say they don't know. I guess time will tell. thanks, Chrissie Re: variability of Armour Chrissy, You wrote: > > Wouldn't the pharmacy know that and send back what they had? ... Not necessarily, if they had already sold it to you. These sorts of recalls are rather common for all prescription meds and mainly result in a temporary dip in the supply. They won't go after medicines in patients' possession unless there is a serious threat to health, say a contamination issue. A 5% drop in potency over 24 months should not affect a one month prescription that you will finish taking in the next 30 days. Similar voluntary recalls have interrupted supplies of other sources of levothyroxine, including Synthroid. This is how the pharmaceutical companies show the FDA, and how the FDA shows the public, that everyone involved is doing a good job. Your mileage may vary. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Chuck, I believe in my circumstance, that was the case...counterfeit. All things aside, I was terribly concerned because this was the first time I attempted to medicate myself. Once I received my prescription from the local pharmacy...I notice the difference within days. --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Chuck B " > There were evidently four from last year on the same issue: > http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topi\ cs/enforce/2005/ENF00899.html > > I found out about the recent recall from another list where a poster was > in touch with a supplier that said the shortage in Armour was about to > end. Evidently Forest Pharmaceuticals voluntarily stopped shipment and > recalled some from the shelves until they were sure the stability > problem was under control. > > Chuck > Yep, Chuck, those were the links I found also, from April '05 - 18 months ago. Hmmmm, very interesting ... I heard on another list that Forest had replied to the poster query of Armour shortage by stating it was due to Armour taking up the slack from a shortage of Thyrolar! I guess personally contacting Forest would provide first hand knowledge, but I tend to agree that a Thyrolar shortage caused the Armour shortage, as I think a recent recall would have been publicized and easily found on a google search ... Liz > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Liz, You wrote: > > > Hmmmm, very interesting ... I heard on another list that Forest had replied > to the poster query of Armour shortage by stating it was due to Armour > taking up the slack from a shortage of Thyrolar! > > I guess personally contacting Forest would provide first hand knowledge, > but > I tend to agree that a Thyrolar shortage caused the Armour shortage, as I > think a recent recall would have been publicized and easily found on a > google search ... That could be, but it is also possible that this just hasn't made it to the internet yet. Forest hasn't advertised previous recalls, and it is too soon for FDA to do so. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 yes Armour is sweet tasting, but also has an " A " on it. Gracia All these posts about the subject are seriously making me worry now. Although I have had confirmation my recent order from IPS is on its way to the U.K. its got me wondering. I recently started disolving my tablets under my tongue. They go sort of creamy and taste very slightly sweet. Does this sound like a description of 'the real thing' from FOREST or not? Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 DHEA and cortisol complement each other and work together. If you need cortisol then you can't just get by with DHEA, and also of course women do best on 5-25mg/day. If your pills had an " A " on them, then they were working effectively. 4 grains of Armour sounds about right. Your prob was too much DHEA! and possible need for cortsiol. Your symptoms were those of low cortisol. Good book on this would be Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD. Gracia Was on 50mg of DHEA for adrenal gland Gracia <circe@...> wrote: also p.s. your symptoms on 4 grains sound adrenal. gracia About three months ago I received my first batch of Armour ordered over the internet. My levels have been all over the board...my depression shot off the charts and my energy was next to nothing. This all happened while I was taking 4 grains...the most I had ever taken. (Was previously on 3 grains and had not experienced these changes.) It is my belief that I received a bad batch of Armour. I have since broke down gone back to my GP for a prescription of a lower dose and I have been ok...not great but back to the way I was before the internet delivery of Armour. I would just be very cautious of order medication over the internet. Recent Activity a.. 7New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 , You wrote: > > Is there a place you can regularly check for info on recalls? > Shomon's site usually has what the FDA publishes, but you have to know how to search her site. It is probably quicker to just use Google. Be sure to use brand names and the word thyroid, or you'll mostly get information about Ford's power steering problems. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Thanks Chuck, I have long been a subcriber to Shomon's site. Val Re: variability of Armour , You wrote: > > Is there a place you can regularly check for info on recalls? > Shomon's site usually has what the FDA publishes, but you have to know how to search her site. It is probably quicker to just use Google. Be sure to use brand names and the word thyroid, or you'll mostly get information about Ford's power steering problems. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Thanks Gracia My tablets did have the A on them as well. Val Re: variability of Armour yes Armour is sweet tasting, but also has an " A " on it. Gracia All these posts about the subject are seriously making me worry now. Although I have had confirmation my recent order from IPS is on its way to the U.K. its got me wondering. I recently started disolving my tablets under my tongue. They go sort of creamy and taste very slightly sweet. Does this sound like a description of 'the real thing' from FOREST or not? Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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