Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 you can sue anybody for anything in this country...the question is would they win? Jami in Naperville, IL hypothetical question >A hypothetical popped into my head today - wondered if anyone knew the > answer or had thoughts on it: > > I was thinking about the Amish kids who contracted the OPV vaccine > virus & wondered - Lets say someone unvaccinated (or for that matter > IPV vaccinated) contracts the OPV shed virus and docs confirmed it > came from the OPV vaccine (as they did with the Amish children). Now > what if that person suffered paralysis or death or some other major > complication due to the virus - would they be eligible for reparations > from VAERS or able to sue the vaccine manufacturer even if they didn't > get the vaccine directly? I am sure this has happened historically > when OPV was being given in the US. > > Anyone know? Anyone? Just wondered. > > in Orlando > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 At 12:27 AM 10/20/2005 -0000, you wrote: >A hypothetical popped into my head today - wondered if anyone knew the >answer or had thoughts on it: > >I was thinking about the Amish kids who contracted the OPV vaccine >virus & wondered - Lets say someone unvaccinated (or for that matter >IPV vaccinated) contracts the OPV shed virus and docs confirmed it >came from the OPV vaccine (as they did with the Amish children). Now >what if that person suffered paralysis or death or some other major >complication due to the virus - would they be eligible for reparations >from VAERS or able to sue the vaccine manufacturer even if they didn't >get the vaccine directly? I am sure this has happened historically >when OPV was being given in the US. > >Anyone know? Anyone? Just wondered. Yes, many have been compensated ................ > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 That is, unless Congress decides you can't, as they are trying to right now with the Bioterrorism bill. They don't want you to be able to sue the flu shot manufacturers if a flu shot you get in an epidemic injures you. Also, in 2002 in the Homeland Security Bill, someone hid a clause disallowing parents of autistic kids from suing Eli Lilly regarding thimerosal. That, fortunately, was removed after much protest and outrage. > you can sue anybody for anything in this country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 scary, isn't it.... Re: hypothetical question > That is, unless Congress decides you can't, as they are trying to right > now with the Bioterrorism bill. They don't want you to be able to sue > the flu shot manufacturers if a flu shot you get in an epidemic injures > you. Also, in 2002 in the Homeland Security Bill, someone hid a clause > disallowing parents of autistic kids from suing Eli Lilly regarding > thimerosal. That, fortunately, was removed after much protest and > outrage. > > > >> you can sue anybody for anything in this country > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 The doctor wanted me on 1-1/2 grains of Thyrolar (not that he REALLY wanted me on Thyrolar, but he goes along with it) because of the Atrial Fibrillation. Because of things I saw on this list, I have been taking 1grain in the am, and then 1grain again around 4p.m. I have not gone into Afib since I started doing this. My question is, does anyone think I would go into Afib with 1-1/2 grains in the am and 1 in the afternoon? Or do you think I could try 1 grain in the am and 1-1/2 in the afternoon? I will run this by the doc, but wanted your opinion. Roni --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 you need adrenal meds--DHEA and cortef. until you get these you will be constantly messing aorund with the dose. Gracia The doctor wanted me on 1-1/2 grains of Thyrolar (not that he REALLY wanted me on Thyrolar, but he goes along with it) because of the Atrial Fibrillation. Because of things I saw on this list, I have been taking 1grain in the am, and then 1grain again around 4p.m. I have not gone into Afib since I started doing this. My question is, does anyone think I would go into Afib with 1-1/2 grains in the am and 1 in the afternoon? Or do you think I could try 1 grain in the am and 1-1/2 in the afternoon? I will run this by the doc, but wanted your opinion. Roni --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I have never been checked to see if those things are low. I don't understand why doctors don't give us the proper care. What is wrong with them? Is it all about money and nothing else? I don't like feeling victimized. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: you need adrenal meds--DHEA and cortef. until you get these you will be constantly messing aorund with the dose. Gracia The doctor wanted me on 1-1/2 grains of Thyrolar (not that he REALLY wanted me on Thyrolar, but he goes along with it) because of the Atrial Fibrillation. Because of things I saw on this list, I have been taking 1grain in the am, and then 1grain again around 4p.m. I have not gone into Afib since I started doing this. My question is, does anyone think I would go into Afib with 1-1/2 grains in the am and 1 in the afternoon? Or do you think I could try 1 grain in the am and 1-1/2 in the afternoon? I will run this by the doc, but wanted your opinion. Roni --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 it's so easy to just try it, I'm telling ya. Who cares about the stupid tests---acchh. Docs have no clinical skills and their tests are bogus. what a scam. I really love my cortef and also estrogen and progesterone. and iodine. and all the other stuff Gracia I have never been checked to see if those things are low. I don't understand why doctors don't give us the proper care. What is wrong with them? Is it all about money and nothing else? I don't like feeling victimized. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: you need adrenal meds--DHEA and cortef. until you get these you will be constantly messing aorund with the dose. Gracia The doctor wanted me on 1-1/2 grains of Thyrolar (not that he REALLY wanted me on Thyrolar, but he goes along with it) because of the Atrial Fibrillation. Because of things I saw on this list, I have been taking 1grain in the am, and then 1grain again around 4p.m. I have not gone into Afib since I started doing this. My question is, does anyone think I would go into Afib with 1-1/2 grains in the am and 1 in the afternoon? Or do you think I could try 1 grain in the am and 1-1/2 in the afternoon? I will run this by the doc, but wanted your opinion. Roni --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Roni, You wrote: > > My question is, does anyone think I would go into Afib with 1-1/2 grains > in the am and > 1 in the afternoon? Or do you think I could try 1 grain in the am and > 1-1/2 in the afternoon? I would try the 1 1/2 in the a.m. first based on circadian rhythms. Either one could cause problems, if you are right on the boundary. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Thanks, Chuck. I am going to try it. I'll keep you posted. Roni Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Roni, You wrote: > > My question is, does anyone think I would go into Afib with 1-1/2 grains > in the am and > 1 in the afternoon? Or do you think I could try 1 grain in the am and > 1-1/2 in the afternoon? I would try the 1 1/2 in the a.m. first based on circadian rhythms. Either one could cause problems, if you are right on the boundary. Chuck --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Roni, You wrote: > > My question is, does anyone think I would go into Afib with 1-1/2 grains > in the am and > 1 in the afternoon? Or do you think I could try 1 grain in the am and > 1-1/2 in the afternoon? I would try the 1 1/2 in the a.m. first based on circadian rhythms. Either one could cause problems, if you are right on the boundary. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 the boundary of what? LOL she is taking too little thyroid meds now, her adrenals are weak. Gracia Roni, You wrote: > > My question is, does anyone think I would go into Afib with 1-1/2 grains > in the am and > 1 in the afternoon? Or do you think I could try 1 grain in the am and > 1-1/2 in the afternoon? I would try the 1 1/2 in the a.m. first based on circadian rhythms. Either one could cause problems, if you are right on the boundary. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Gracia wrote: > > the boundary of what? LOL she is taking too little thyroid meds now, her > adrenals are weak. I disagree. She found that taking any more causes Afib. Your metabolism is higher in the a.m., so taking the extra T3 then would probably not be as threatening as later in the day. Isn't it strange that someone would have bad side effects just below what the manufacturer specifies as the maximum recommended dose, even though you call it a minimum dose? Chuck > > > > My question is, does anyone think I would go into Afib with 1-1/2 grains > > in the am and > > 1 in the afternoon? Or do you think I could try 1 grain in the am and > > 1-1/2 in the afternoon? > > I would try the 1 1/2 in the a.m. first based on circadian rhythms. > Either one could cause problems, if you are right on the boundary. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 you don't understand. the aim is to feel well/be well. almost all hypos have adrenal probs. From the patient perspective 180--300mg Armour is the optimum dose for feeling well. Her symptoms are adrenal. I have BTDT. Gracia Gracia wrote: > > the boundary of what? LOL she is taking too little thyroid meds now, her > adrenals are weak. I disagree. She found that taking any more causes Afib. Your metabolism is higher in the a.m., so taking the extra T3 then would probably not be as threatening as later in the day. Isn't it strange that someone would have bad side effects just below what the manufacturer specifies as the maximum recommended dose, even though you call it a minimum dose? Chuck > > > > My question is, does anyone think I would go into Afib with 1-1/2 grains > > in the am and > > 1 in the afternoon? Or do you think I could try 1 grain in the am and > > 1-1/2 in the afternoon? > > I would try the 1 1/2 in the a.m. first based on circadian rhythms. > Either one could cause problems, if you are right on the boundary. > > Chuck > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 The 1-1/2 grains in the am produced the Afib again. I was prepared for it and took the nattokinase, aspirin, valium and even the dreaded digoxin, which I don't take. I have the few pills from the hospital. It took about 7 hours for it to resolve completely. I'm back to 1grain BID yesterday and took my first dose just now. So far so good. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: you don't understand. the aim is to feel well/be well. almost all hypos have adrenal probs. From the patient perspective 180--300mg Armour is the optimum dose for feeling well. Her symptoms are adrenal. I have BTDT. Gracia Gracia wrote: > > the boundary of what? LOL she is taking too little thyroid meds now, her > adrenals are weak. I disagree. She found that taking any more causes Afib. Your metabolism is higher in the a.m., so taking the extra T3 then would probably not be as threatening as later in the day. Isn't it strange that someone would have bad side effects just below what the manufacturer specifies as the maximum recommended dose, even though you call it a minimum dose? Chuck > > > > My question is, does anyone think I would go into Afib with 1-1/2 grains > > in the am and > > 1 in the afternoon? Or do you think I could try 1 grain in the am and > > 1-1/2 in the afternoon? > > I would try the 1 1/2 in the a.m. first based on circadian rhythms. > Either one could cause problems, if you are right on the boundary. > > Chuck > ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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