Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 , You wrote: > > I have never ordered eco thro from Dr. Dane. I have had an account for > ovr 8 years with PHP, the company itself. Dr. Dane sells eco for $60 I > believe...insane. ... That's interesting. Dr. Dane claims it is a " proprietary " mixture finely tuned for her theories about blood types. She makes it sound as if she manufactures it herself. Her price was $42 for a 60 day supply. PHP in Pittsburgh says they get the glands from New Zealand. I suspect they are an importer of the dessicated product; that the real OEM is outside the U.S. You can buy similar dessicated and deactivated thyroid glands in most health stores. I wonder if they just change labels. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 , You wrote: > > Are you saying that I can get the same relief and help from sweetbreads > that I get from eco thryo???? What kind of crazy talk is that? It's legal talk. If the eco thyro contained ANY active thyroxine, it would require a prescription. It could NOT legally be sold as a food supplement. That means this dessicated animal glandular contains as much active ingredient as any other animal gland, namely NONE. Their own advertising for it says it is _nutritional_ not medication. In contrast, if you look at ads for Armour, they tell you the active ingredients and how much is there. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Really? Never saw anything remotely close in any health fodd stores and that is the only place I shop and I used to work in one. Yes, I buy mine straight from PHP, never Dr. Dane. Yes, the only reason I agreed to take the eco was because the gland is from New Zealand. I am not comfortable with the health of our animals here in the US. Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: , You wrote: > > I have never ordered eco thro from Dr. Dane. I have had an account for > ovr 8 years with PHP, the company itself. Dr. Dane sells eco for $60 I > believe...insane. ... That's interesting. Dr. Dane claims it is a " proprietary " mixture finely tuned for her theories about blood types. She makes it sound as if she manufactures it herself. Her price was $42 for a 60 day supply. PHP in Pittsburgh says they get the glands from New Zealand. I suspect they are an importer of the dessicated product; that the real OEM is outside the U.S. You can buy similar dessicated and deactivated thyroid glands in most health stores. I wonder if they just change labels. Chuck jessica stanziale --------------------------------- Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Cool, thanks for the added info. Eco Thryo has been my lifesaver. Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: , You wrote: > > Are you saying that I can get the same relief and help from sweetbreads > that I get from eco thryo???? What kind of crazy talk is that? It's legal talk. If the eco thyro contained ANY active thyroxine, it would require a prescription. It could NOT legally be sold as a food supplement. That means this dessicated animal glandular contains as much active ingredient as any other animal gland, namely NONE. Their own advertising for it says it is _nutritional_ not medication. In contrast, if you look at ads for Armour, they tell you the active ingredients and how much is there. Chuck jessica stanziale --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 So if eco has no active thyroxine and I feel great when i take it I guess I don't need thyroxine, correct? Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: , You wrote: > > Are you saying that I can get the same relief and help from sweetbreads > that I get from eco thryo???? What kind of crazy talk is that? It's legal talk. If the eco thyro contained ANY active thyroxine, it would require a prescription. It could NOT legally be sold as a food supplement. That means this dessicated animal glandular contains as much active ingredient as any other animal gland, namely NONE. Their own advertising for it says it is _nutritional_ not medication. In contrast, if you look at ads for Armour, they tell you the active ingredients and how much is there. Chuck jessica stanziale --------------------------------- Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Stanziale wrote: > > > Really? Never saw anything remotely close in any health fodd stores and > that is the only place I shop and I used to work in one. The one I remember seeing is by Nutri-Meds: http://www.nutri-meds.com/thyroid.asp There is also a brand in Canada called Erfa, and we have a local formulary who will mix up a batch for you. The ones that still have active ingredients include: Armour Thyroid, Bio-Throid, Naturethroid, and Westhroid. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 , You wrote: > > So if eco has no active thyroxine and I feel great when i take it I > guess I don't need thyroxine, correct? That seems to be the right conclusion. Since you once had active antibodies and elevated TSH, this suggests that either your Hashimoto's is in full remission (let's hope it lasts), or that your previous TSH excursions were caused by stress or pregnancy, which the supplements could have helped. Either way, it says your thyroid is functioning and producing the T4 you need. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Hi Chuck, I have written the company that sells to Dr. Dane to find out exactly if they remove the active T3 and T4. I know for a fact that they only sell to Licensed Health Care Practitioners and Pharmacists. Please review the following from the company, and please let me know what your thoughts are. Thanks so much! Here is some information from the company that Dr. Dane buys from: Purity of the Product Creating a formulation involves several factors. Our products contain the purest and most bioavailable ingredients. Careful consideration is also given to the binders chosen and to the process by which the formula is made. This commitment to purity is demonstrated by our efforts to supply you with a quality glandular line. We go to great lengths to obtain pesticide/antibiotic/disease free glands for use in our products. This means we purchase our glands as food grade from New Zealand.By law, a Veterinarian inspects and certifies the product to be free of disease, which is not available from domestic glands. Rather than use a salt-precipitated process which leaves residues in the gland, we have chosen to use a freeze-dried/vacuum method. We will gladly provide the certification seal and assay studies on the active ingredients in our glands. Why does PHP Ltd. use 100% New Zealand Freeze Dried Glandular and Tissue Concentrates? Because they are the cleanest source of Glandular from what is considered to be the cleanest most environmentally responsible country on EARTH ! PHP' s glands and tissues come from range fed stock that are not exposed to herbicides, pesticides or synthetic fertilizers. The use of growth hormones is illegal in New Zealand. Since the cattle is the number one industry in New Zealand, the New Zealand Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries monitors the ranches and packing houses very closely. Only stock of the highest standard may be used. It is also illegal in New Zealand to send dirty stock to a packing house. All animals are washed at the stock yard. All animals are then inspected pre and post mortem. Organs and carcass remain side-by-side throughout the inspection process (which includes inspections by a Veterinarian, Meat and USDA inspectors). If there is a problem found with either the carcass or organs, both are destroyed. All PHP glands and tissues are USDA Edible Grade. That is why PHP will not use glands obtained from Great Britain, Europe, South America, or the U.S. where animals may have been exposed to BIV which is also known as Mad Cow's Disease. What Does This Mean to You, the Health Care Professional and to Your Patients? The most biologically active glandular and tissue concentrates available. No fertilizer, pesticide, herbicide or hormone residue. Low microbial counts. A product rich in naturally occurring enzymes, vitamins, minerals, fat soluble nutrients and hormone precursors. No rancidity or peroxidation. No BIV or Mad Cow' s Disease Exposure. USDA edible grade glandular and tissue concentrates. Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Stanziale wrote: > > > Really? Never saw anything remotely close in any health fodd stores and > that is the only place I shop and I used to work in one. The one I remember seeing is by Nutri-Meds: http://www.nutri-meds.com/thyroid.asp There is also a brand in Canada called Erfa, and we have a local formulary who will mix up a batch for you. The ones that still have active ingredients include: Armour Thyroid, Bio-Throid, Naturethroid, and Westhroid. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Hi Chuck, I called the company directly that sells Eco-Thyroid to dr. dane, and they said that they don't do anything to the thryoid except freeze-dry it. They don't remove any T3 or T4. They did say that they have never tested it to see how much T3 or T4 is in there, but they don't do anything to remove the T3 or T4. Are you saying that if they freeze- dry the thyroid, it automatically removes the T3 and T4? Thanks so much and blessings to you! Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Stanziale wrote: > > > Really? Never saw anything remotely close in any health fodd stores and > that is the only place I shop and I used to work in one. The one I remember seeing is by Nutri-Meds: http://www.nutri-meds.com/thyroid.asp There is also a brand in Canada called Erfa, and we have a local formulary who will mix up a batch for you. The ones that still have active ingredients include: Armour Thyroid, Bio-Throid, Naturethroid, and Westhroid. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 good to know, thanks for everything. I would like know more about that batch you can mix up that you mentioned in the other email. Thanks again! Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: , You wrote: > > So if eco has no active thyroxine and I feel great when i take it I > guess I don't need thyroxine, correct? That seems to be the right conclusion. Since you once had active antibodies and elevated TSH, this suggests that either your Hashimoto's is in full remission (let's hope it lasts), or that your previous TSH excursions were caused by stress or pregnancy, which the supplements could have helped. Either way, it says your thyroid is functioning and producing the T4 you need. Chuck jessica stanziale --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Dr Dane does say that the thryoid is from Sheep, so it could be different. I think PHP says their product is from Cows...I am not exactly sure on that though...stay tuned. Blessings to all, Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: That's interesting. Dr. Dane claims it is a " proprietary " mixture finely tuned for her theories about blood types. She makes it sound as if she manufactures it herself. Her price was $42 for a 60 day supply. PHP in Pittsburgh says they get the glands from New Zealand. I suspect they are an importer of the dessicated product; that the real OEM is outside the U.S. You can buy similar dessicated and deactivated thyroid glands in most health stores. I wonder if they just change labels. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 OK , so if Dr. Dane is telling you that her eco thyro is from sheep she must be lying. PHP are the ones that gave me her name because they told me she buys from them. Either she doesn't know what she is selling or she is only telling you what you want to hear to make a buck. Didn't you stress concern about taking from cows and then she said it is sheep??? I am curious to know if she is that ridiculous. So is it safe to say that those who need the t3 and t4 should stick with armour, but someone like me who is only dealing with a high tsh can be succesful on eco thyro? I looked at a map of New Zealand earlier today and it looks sooo small, I wonder how they can produce that many cows naturaly if too many people start using the product??? Thanks again. and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hi Chuck, I have written the company that sells to Dr. Dane to find out exactly if they remove the active T3 and T4. I know for a fact that they only sell to Licensed Health Care Practitioners and Pharmacists. Please review the following from the company, and please let me know what your thoughts are. Thanks so much! Here is some information from the company that Dr. Dane buys from: Purity of the Product Creating a formulation involves several factors. Our products contain the purest and most bioavailable ingredients. Careful consideration is also given to the binders chosen and to the process by which the formula is made. This commitment to purity is demonstrated by our efforts to supply you with a quality glandular line. We go to great lengths to obtain pesticide/antibiotic/disease free glands for use in our products. This means we purchase our glands as food grade from New Zealand.By law, a Veterinarian inspects and certifies the product to be free of disease, which is not available from domestic glands. Rather than use a salt-precipitated process which leaves residues in the gland, we have chosen to use a freeze-dried/vacuum method. We will gladly provide the certification seal and assay studies on the active ingredients in our glands. Why does PHP Ltd. use 100% New Zealand Freeze Dried Glandular and Tissue Concentrates? Because they are the cleanest source of Glandular from what is considered to be the cleanest most environmentally responsible country on EARTH ! PHP' s glands and tissues come from range fed stock that are not exposed to herbicides, pesticides or synthetic fertilizers. The use of growth hormones is illegal in New Zealand. Since the cattle is the number one industry in New Zealand, the New Zealand Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries monitors the ranches and packing houses very closely. Only stock of the highest standard may be used. It is also illegal in New Zealand to send dirty stock to a packing house. All animals are washed at the stock yard. All animals are then inspected pre and post mortem. Organs and carcass remain side-by-side throughout the inspection process (which includes inspections by a Veterinarian, Meat and USDA inspectors). If there is a problem found with either the carcass or organs, both are destroyed. All PHP glands and tissues are USDA Edible Grade. That is why PHP will not use glands obtained from Great Britain, Europe, South America, or the U.S. where animals may have been exposed to BIV which is also known as Mad Cow's Disease. What Does This Mean to You, the Health Care Professional and to Your Patients? The most biologically active glandular and tissue concentrates available. No fertilizer, pesticide, herbicide or hormone residue. Low microbial counts. A product rich in naturally occurring enzymes, vitamins, minerals, fat soluble nutrients and hormone precursors. No rancidity or peroxidation. No BIV or Mad Cow' s Disease Exposure. USDA edible grade glandular and tissue concentrates. Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Stanziale wrote: > > > Really? Never saw anything remotely close in any health fodd stores and > that is the only place I shop and I used to work in one. The one I remember seeing is by Nutri-Meds: http://www.nutri-meds.com/thyroid.asp There is also a brand in Canada called Erfa, and we have a local formulary who will mix up a batch for you. The ones that still have active ingredients include: Armour Thyroid, Bio-Throid, Naturethroid, and Westhroid. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 I guess that would be true - which means you are making your own - great! - but the glandular tissue must be helping something. K Re: eco thyro So if eco has no active thyroxine and I feel great when i take it I guess I don't need thyroxine, correct? Chuck B <gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> net> wrote: , You wrote: > > Are you saying that I can get the same relief and help from sweetbreads > that I get from eco thryo???? What kind of crazy talk is that? It's legal talk. If the eco thyro contained ANY active thyroxine, it would require a prescription. It could NOT legally be sold as a food supplement. That means this dessicated animal glandular contains as much active ingredient as any other animal gland, namely NONE. Their own advertising for it says it is _nutritional_ not medication. In contrast, if you look at ads for Armour, they tell you the active ingredients and how much is there. Chuck jessica stanziale --------------------------------- Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 , You wrote: > > Here is some information from the company that Dr. Dane buys from: > > Purity of the Product Creating a formulation involves several factors. > Our products contain the purest and most bioavailable ingredients. ... " Bioavailable " does not mean medicinally potent. > ... Rather than use a > salt-precipitated process which leaves residues in the gland, we have > chosen to use a freeze-dried/vacuum method. Freeze drying most definitely CAN remove the thyroxine by what is called an azeotrophic process. Basically the raw gland is finely ground and mixed with an inert solvent. After flash freezing, a vacuum is pulled above the material to extract all volatile fluids, including the solvent and any dissolved fat and thyroxines. > ... We will gladly provide the > certification seal and assay studies on the active ingredients in our > glands. That would be interesting, but if there is more than a trace, the law requires a prescription. > ... All PHP glands and tissues are USDA Edible Grade. ... There is NO SUCH USDA grade. The USDA grades beef as either: Prime, Choice, Select, Standard, or Utility (Cutter/Canner). It can also be graded 1-5 for yield. Pork is not assigned quality grades; it is either safe or not. Poultry is graded either A, B, or C. No " Edible Grade " for any of them. I suspect this refers to FDA grading for dietary supplements, in which case thyroid tissue with active ingredients would need to be Pharmaceutical Grade. Edible Grade simply means the concentrations of contaminants, such as arsenic, and medically active hormones, such as thyroxine, are below a level that could cause significant effects, assuming you stick to the recommended dosage guidelines for the supplement. > ... A product rich in naturally occurring enzymes, vitamins, minerals, fat > soluble nutrients and hormone precursors. ... Note that they do not mention the hormones themselves, just the precursors and concurrent nutrients. There is nothing here that would suggest the presence of active hormone, or that a prescription is required to purchase it; that the restriction, if there is one, is simple wholesale policy. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 New Zealand is very small but incredibly green and lush - they only have about 3.5 million population so there is plenty of room for cows and sheep - mainly sheep - I wouldn't discount the glands are from sheep as well. And fortunately for us there is still a relatively small demand for " clean " products but this is why organics is one of the fastest growing industries in the world. Kerry Re: eco thyro OK , so if Dr. Dane is telling you that her eco thyro is from sheep she must be lying. PHP are the ones that gave me her name because they told me she buys from them. Either she doesn't know what she is selling or she is only telling you what you want to hear to make a buck. Didn't you stress concern about taking from cows and then she said it is sheep??? I am curious to know if she is that ridiculous. So is it safe to say that those who need the t3 and t4 should stick with armour, but someone like me who is only dealing with a high tsh can be succesful on eco thyro? I looked at a map of New Zealand earlier today and it looks sooo small, I wonder how they can produce that many cows naturaly if too many people start using the product??? Thanks again. and Irwin <familyirwin@ <mailto:familyirwin%40sbcglobal.net> sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hi Chuck, I have written the company that sells to Dr. Dane to find out exactly if they remove the active T3 and T4. I know for a fact that they only sell to Licensed Health Care Practitioners and Pharmacists. Please review the following from the company, and please let me know what your thoughts are. Thanks so much! Here is some information from the company that Dr. Dane buys from: Purity of the Product Creating a formulation involves several factors. Our products contain the purest and most bioavailable ingredients. Careful consideration is also given to the binders chosen and to the process by which the formula is made. This commitment to purity is demonstrated by our efforts to supply you with a quality glandular line. We go to great lengths to obtain pesticide/antibiotic/disease free glands for use in our products. This means we purchase our glands as food grade from New Zealand.By law, a Veterinarian inspects and certifies the product to be free of disease, which is not available from domestic glands. Rather than use a salt-precipitated process which leaves residues in the gland, we have chosen to use a freeze-dried/vacuum method. We will gladly provide the certification seal and assay studies on the active ingredients in our glands. Why does PHP Ltd. use 100% New Zealand Freeze Dried Glandular and Tissue Concentrates? Because they are the cleanest source of Glandular from what is considered to be the cleanest most environmentally responsible country on EARTH ! PHP' s glands and tissues come from range fed stock that are not exposed to herbicides, pesticides or synthetic fertilizers. The use of growth hormones is illegal in New Zealand. Since the cattle is the number one industry in New Zealand, the New Zealand Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries monitors the ranches and packing houses very closely. Only stock of the highest standard may be used. It is also illegal in New Zealand to send dirty stock to a packing house. All animals are washed at the stock yard. All animals are then inspected pre and post mortem. Organs and carcass remain side-by-side throughout the inspection process (which includes inspections by a Veterinarian, Meat and USDA inspectors). If there is a problem found with either the carcass or organs, both are destroyed. All PHP glands and tissues are USDA Edible Grade. That is why PHP will not use glands obtained from Great Britain, Europe, South America, or the U.S. where animals may have been exposed to BIV which is also known as Mad Cow's Disease. What Does This Mean to You, the Health Care Professional and to Your Patients? The most biologically active glandular and tissue concentrates available. No fertilizer, pesticide, herbicide or hormone residue. Low microbial counts. A product rich in naturally occurring enzymes, vitamins, minerals, fat soluble nutrients and hormone precursors. No rancidity or peroxidation. No BIV or Mad Cow' s Disease Exposure. USDA edible grade glandular and tissue concentrates. Chuck B <gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> net> wrote: Stanziale wrote: > > > Really? Never saw anything remotely close in any health fodd stores and > that is the only place I shop and I used to work in one. The one I remember seeing is by Nutri-Meds: http://www.nutri- <http://www.nutri-meds.com/thyroid.asp> meds.com/thyroid.asp There is also a brand in Canada called Erfa, and we have a local formulary who will mix up a batch for you. The ones that still have active ingredients include: Armour Thyroid, Bio-Throid, Naturethroid, and Westhroid. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 , You wrote: > ... Are you saying that if they freeze- dry > the thyroid, it automatically removes the T3 and T4? If they mix in the solvent, yes. Alternatively, they could cut the tissue into such small fragments or dilute it with other excipients, that the concentration per dose is too low to qualify as medication. As I recall that is something like 0.05 mg per dose. If you look at all the hoops that Forest Laboratories had to jump through to be able to market Armour, it is apparent that there are stringent controls on sources of the active hormone. Even licensed doctors and pharmacies cannot sell whatever snake oil they want or concoct their own hormone medications. They CAN sell relatively inert food supplements, which is what eco thyro has to be. They also told you they have never measured the T4 or T3 concentrations. How in the world could someone sell an active thyroid hormone source in the U.S. and never measure the concentration? It can only happen if the source is guaranteed to have negligible potency. That is why your local butcher cannot sell you hormone-containing glands. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Hi Chuck, Thanks for your response. So, are you saying that it could contain .05 mg per dose, and if this is the case, could I theoretically take more than that and get some T4 an T3? There are not many options for me, as I can't tolerate Synthroid, Levox, can't take pig hormones, and need something to get my thyroid help. This seemed like an answered prayer, something that wasn't made synthetically, wasn't from PIG, and was from a clean source. I will say this...I am feeling a lot better taking eco-thyroid, and thyro-complex, which contains other glandulars as well...such as adrenal. Does that mean that the other glandulars in the meds don't amount to much as well? Thanks again! Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: , You wrote: > ... Are you saying that if they freeze- dry > the thyroid, it automatically removes the T3 and T4? If they mix in the solvent, yes. Alternatively, they could cut the tissue into such small fragments or dilute it with other excipients, that the concentration per dose is too low to qualify as medication. As I recall that is something like 0.05 mg per dose. If you look at all the hoops that Forest Laboratories had to jump through to be able to market Armour, it is apparent that there are stringent controls on sources of the active hormone. Even licensed doctors and pharmacies cannot sell whatever snake oil they want or concoct their own hormone medications. They CAN sell relatively inert food supplements, which is what eco thyro has to be. They also told you they have never measured the T4 or T3 concentrations. How in the world could someone sell an active thyroid hormone source in the U.S. and never measure the concentration? It can only happen if the source is guaranteed to have negligible potency. That is why your local butcher cannot sell you hormone-containing glands. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 So Chuck, do you work in the medical field? How do you know so much about the processing? Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: , You wrote: > ... Are you saying that if they freeze- dry > the thyroid, it automatically removes the T3 and T4? If they mix in the solvent, yes. Alternatively, they could cut the tissue into such small fragments or dilute it with other excipients, that the concentration per dose is too low to qualify as medication. As I recall that is something like 0.05 mg per dose. If you look at all the hoops that Forest Laboratories had to jump through to be able to market Armour, it is apparent that there are stringent controls on sources of the active hormone. Even licensed doctors and pharmacies cannot sell whatever snake oil they want or concoct their own hormone medications. They CAN sell relatively inert food supplements, which is what eco thyro has to be. They also told you they have never measured the T4 or T3 concentrations. How in the world could someone sell an active thyroid hormone source in the U.S. and never measure the concentration? It can only happen if the source is guaranteed to have negligible potency. That is why your local butcher cannot sell you hormone-containing glands. Chuck jessica stanziale --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 , You wrote: > > Thanks for your response. So, are you saying that it could contain .05 > mg per dose, and if this is the case, could I theoretically take more > than that and get some T4 an T3? Sorry, evidently the limit is more like 1/4 grain of dry tissue, which contains less than 10 mcg of T4. Our local compounding pharmacy may have cut that in half to give us 0.005 mg or 5 mcg of T4. > ... Does that mean that the other glandulars in the meds don't amount to much as well? Yes. If you get it without a prescription, it can't (legally) have more than a trace of the active elements. I did find another supplier, also at 1/4 grain per daily dose: http://www.life-enhancement.com/product.asp?ID=206 Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 , You wrote: > > So Chuck, do you work in the medical field? How do you know so much > about the processing? I work with artificial hip and knee implants, nothing to do with thyroid processing. I see more orthopedic surgeons than any other flavor. What little I know about thyroid processing is from what the manufacturers themselves reveal or what is in published literature. You can at least get an abstract for every recent paper in the archival journals. I did find two suppliers, BTW, that explicitly claim they do NOT take out any of the natural ingredients. They say they avoid FDA control by not making any medical claims. However, this does not make sense to me. You could not sell morphine as a food supplement or opium as a natural food just because you didn't make any claims about pain relief. Butchers have been restrained for years from selling glands, with or without medicinal claims. Either they take the thyroxins out, or they cut the amount of tissue way down. Perhaps this is why the number of suppliers has been greatly reduced in recent years. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Chuck is telling you that eco thyro legally cannot contain the chemicals necessary for hypothyroid treatment; and that the referenced web site tells you exactly that. 4b. Re: eco thyro <hypothyroidism/message/25514;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZjU5Mmh\ iBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE2MDQyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjU1MTQEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE1NDk3NTIxOQ--> Posted by: " Stanziale " massageme429@... <mailto:massageme429@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20eco%20thyro> massageme429 <massageme429> Mon Aug 7, 2006 5:51 am (PST) Are you saying that I can get the same relief and help from sweetbreads that I get from eco thryo???? What kind of crazy talk is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 So how is it that I am finaly well and it is from eco thyro. Does that mean I am not really hypo and that all my symptoms and bloodwork are an illusion? Not being rude, just confused! Is it that my case is just not severe enough so I am getting by on something that doesn't contain the chemicals necessary for hypothyroid? If so then I consider this great news! <res075oh@...> wrote: Chuck is telling you that eco thyro legally cannot contain the chemicals necessary for hypothyroid treatment; and that the referenced web site tells you exactly that. 4b. Re: eco thyro <hypothyroidism/message/25514;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZjU5Mmh\ iBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE2MDQyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjU1MTQEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE1NDk3NTIxOQ--> Posted by: " Stanziale " massageme429@... <mailto:massageme429@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20eco%20thyro> massageme429 <massageme429> Mon Aug 7, 2006 5:51 am (PST) Are you saying that I can get the same relief and help from sweetbreads that I get from eco thryo???? What kind of crazy talk is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 If you read their description with even cursory attention you should notice that what they actually say is that they are selling you a very high quality [and no doubt expensive] snack. 2e. Re: eco thyro <hypothyroidism/message/25544;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZGI3dTh\ jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE2MDQyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjU1NDQEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE1NDk5MTQ0Ng--> Posted by: " and Irwin " familyirwin@... <mailto:familyirwin@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20eco%20thyro> fritzalseth <fritzalseth> Mon Aug 7, 2006 1:51 pm (PST) Hi Chuck, I have written the company that sells to Dr. Dane to find out exactly if they remove the active T3 and T4. I know for a fact that they only sell to Licensed Health Care Practitioners and Pharmacists. Please review the following from the company, and please let me know what your thoughts are. Thanks so much! Here is some information from the company that Dr. Dane buys from: Purity of the Product Creating a formulation involves several factors. Our products contain the purest and most bioavailable ingredients. Careful consideration is also given to the binders chosen and to the process by which the formula is made. This commitment to purity is demonstrated by our efforts to supply you with a quality glandular line. We go to great lengths to obtain pesticide/antibiotic/disease free glands for use in our products. This means we purchase our glands as food grade from New Zealand.By law, a Veterinarian inspects and certifies the product to be free of disease, which is not available from domestic glands. Rather than use a salt-precipitated process which leaves residues in the gland, we have chosen to use a freeze-dried/vacuum method. We will gladly provide the certification seal and assay studies on the active ingredients in our glands. Why does PHP Ltd. use 100% New Zealand Freeze Dried Glandular and Tissue Concentrates? Because they are the cleanest source of Glandular from what is considered to be the cleanest most environmentally responsible country on EARTH ! PHP' s glands and tissues come from range fed stock that are not exposed to herbicides, pesticides or synthetic fertilizers. The use of growth hormones is illegal in New Zealand. Since the cattle is the number one industry in New Zealand, the New Zealand Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries monitors the ranches and packing houses very closely. Only stock of the highest standard may be used. It is also illegal in New Zealand to send dirty stock to a packing house. All animals are washed at the stock yard. All animals are then inspected pre and post mortem. Organs and carcass remain side-by-side throughout the inspection process (which includes inspections by a Veterinarian, Meat and USDA inspectors). If there is a problem found with either the carcass or organs, both are destroyed. All PHP glands and tissues are USDA Edible Grade. That is why PHP will not use glands obtained from Great Britain, Europe, South America, or the U.S. where animals may have been exposed to BIV which is also known as Mad Cow's Disease. What Does This Mean to You, the Health Care Professional and to Your Patients? The most biologically active glandular and tissue concentrates available. No fertilizer, pesticide, herbicide or hormone residue. Low microbial counts. A product rich in naturally occurring enzymes, vitamins, minerals, fat soluble nutrients and hormone precursors. No rancidity or peroxidation. No BIV or Mad Cow' s Disease Exposure. USDA edible grade glandular and tissue concentrates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 , You wrote: > > So how is it that I am finaly well and it is from eco thyro. Does that > mean I am not really hypo and that all my symptoms and bloodwork are an > illusion? ... Are not all your symptoms, blood work, and eco thyro in the past? One of the defining characteristics of Hashi's is that the antibodies and their adverse effects can come and go. Perhaps the eco thyro was a part of what you did " right " to make it subside. Perhaps you were just lucky. If my interpretation of Dane's and PHP's web sites is correct, the amount of active ingredients in each daily dose was about 1/10th to 1/20th of what you would actually need to replace a thyroid gland. If you took 10-20 pills per day instead of just one, then you might have had a therapeutic effect. But, if your need was actually decreasing while you took it, then the apparent benefit would be heightened. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Hi Chuck, What are the two companies? Also, what about that company in Canada that will make a batch too? Thanks! Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: I did find two suppliers, BTW, that explicitly claim they do NOT take out any of the natural ingredients. They say they avoid FDA control by not making any medical claims. However, this does not make sense to me. You could not sell morphine as a food supplement or opium as a natural food just because you didn't make any claims about pain relief. Butchers have been restrained for years from selling glands, with or without medicinal claims. Either they take the thyroxins out, or they cut the amount of tissue way down. Perhaps this is why the number of suppliers has been greatly reduced in recent years. Recent Activity 21 New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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