Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Chuck, you just don't get it. Ask any person who has dealt with a sulfite intolerance and they will tell you, resoundingly, that any corn dervivative is a big no-no. With few exceptions. You can ignore the corn sulfte connection but advising people with that bias is irresponsible. I found no relief by simply looking for the word sulfite in an ingredient list. I was practically at the point of wanting to shoot myself because I was so careful about what I consumed yet had daily reactions. It was not until the corn connection was pointed out to me that I found relief. Even my physician and allergist were cognizant of this connection. All of those ingredients I listed are highly suspect for sulfites. No doubt about it. It is rare that corn is not processed with sulfites when being converted to some other product. Even packaging materials, boxes, cartons, shampoos, toothpaste, etc. can be problematic for some. Microcrystalline cellulose is wood, however it too goes through processing, " water " cleansing and such which is where sulfites can be introduced. Getting manfacturers to trace back everything that goes into their products is almost impossible. Some microcrystalline celluloses may be ok, others not. Given the other ingredients in Armour, there certainly isn't a concern for sulfites. The rule for us sulfite sufferers is stay away from the corn derivitives, find a diet that is mostly free of reactions, then challenge new foods/meds one at a time. Then hope whatever new is added to the ok list doesn't change ingredients. Anyone who is sulfite intolerant should be extremely leery of Armour. Especially if they have already reacted to Synthoid. Unithroid isn't all that much different from Synthoid, however I found too many people who reacted to Syntoid but not Unithroid. Thus my choice. It's all dosage related and it's pretty much try it and see what happens. Getting facts on actual levels is impossible. > > > > Well, I know levoxyl has microcrystalline cellulose. ... > > So what is in microcrystalline cellulose that is the problem? > > I doubt very much that microcrystalline cellulose is the problem. This > is basically a very pure form of wood fiber. It is one of the most > chemically inert and pure excipients they use in medications. All the > organic and inorganic contaminants have been cleaned away. What is left > by chemical processing does not react with or dissolve in much of > anything your digestive system can throw at it. I don't see sulfites in > calcium stearate, dextrose, or sodium starch glycolate, either, although > you might react badly to some of these in other ways. > > The sulfites in Armour are from the natural component in pork. Since the > glands have been desiccated, that may be at a higher concentration than > in pork roast, but it is still not very much in each pill. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Oh, and sometimes microcrystalline cellulose is from corn cobs, not wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 engspotbunny, You wrote: > > Chuck, you just don't get it. Ask any person who has dealt with a > sulfite intolerance and > they will tell you, resoundingly, that any corn dervivative is a big > no-no. ... Microcrystalline cellulose is not made from corn. It has no corn component. Instead it is made entirely from wood pulp washed and depolymerized by strong acids and alkalies, none of them sulfites. It is a purified fiber from wood, not corn, and no amount of rinsing with water can introduce sulfites: http://www.nbent.com/details.htm My wife also happens to be sulfite intolerant, and we have spent the better part of two decades dealing with it. She takes at least two medications that I know about with microcrystalline cellulose with no adverse reactions. I can understand your paranoiac reaction to ingredient lists. However, before you accuse me of irresponsibility, perhaps you should research this particular incipient a little better. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 engspotbunny, You wrote: > > Oh, and sometimes microcrystalline cellulose is from corn cobs, not wood. I did find patents for making mc from corn cobs, soy, and oat husks, as you suggest, but all of the commercial suppliers I saw (in an admittedly brief search) were based on wood pulp. One of these used a sulfite pressure cooker for breaking the polymer chains, but the sulfur component is later removed by other even harsher chemicals. The more common process seems to be sulfuric acid, a different form of sulfur. I also found a short list of " sulfite free " products that listed microcrystalline cellulose as an inert ingredient. I remain to be convinced that there is any sulfite in the microcrystalline cellulose in our medications. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Gosh, I am sorry this is getting so heated....I didn't mean for this question I posted to cause anyone any distress or frustration. I think it is great to have this dialogue and the back and forth can clear up misconceptions but I hope I haven't created a problem with my problem. I value each of you and your knowledge and as I have said before in a previous post, it is up to each of us to do our research and relay to others to the best of our ability and understanding. All any of us wants to do is to be helpful.....I understand that and I thank you. Venizia > > > > Chuck, you just don't get it. Ask any person who has dealt with a > > sulfite intolerance and > > they will tell you, resoundingly, that any corn dervivative is a big > > no-no. ... > > Microcrystalline cellulose is not made from corn. It has no corn > component. Instead it is made entirely from wood pulp washed and > depolymerized by strong acids and alkalies, none of them sulfites. It is > a purified fiber from wood, not corn, and no amount of rinsing with > water can introduce sulfites: > > http://www.nbent.com/details.htm > > My wife also happens to be sulfite intolerant, and we have spent the > better part of two decades dealing with it. She takes at least two > medications that I know about with microcrystalline cellulose with no > adverse reactions. > > I can understand your paranoiac reaction to ingredient lists. However, > before you accuse me of irresponsibility, perhaps you should research > this particular incipient a little better. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Your irresponsibility stems from not just microcrystalline cellulose but your out of hand dismissal of the possible sulfite contributions from the other ingredients in Armour as well as telling this woman that she shouldn't react to the sulfite levels in the active ingredient. Are you kidding me? As I stated before, unless you call the manufacturers, trace back every ingredient (water alone? do you know that for certain? do you know they haven't switched to a corn related process?), and hopefully speak to someone knowledgable, you don't know. In addition, as I stated before, this is a situation that is very individual. What your wife reacts to or does not react to, as well as myself, may not apply to the next person. The corn list is a red flag list. Every single ingredient in Armour is a red flag. For someone new to sulfite sensitivities, Armour would be the absolute last choice. She needs to try and use the most hypoallergenic medication possible while reverting to a restricted diet to try and find a safe, mostly reaction free diet. Then she can challenge herself from that point forward and find her individual limits. Red flags do not mean a definite problem, they are however known warnings and should not be treated trivially. You may not find sulfite sources based on your own personal experience, or believe the levels to be significant, but that is just you. And that is what is irresponsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 ALL my allergies went away on Armour and cortef for adrenals. Maybe it's irresponsible to get poor treatment Gracia Your irresponsibility stems from not just microcrystalline cellulose but your out of hand dismissal of the possible sulfite contributions from the other ingredients in Armour as well as telling this woman that she shouldn't react to the sulfite levels in the active ingredient. Are you kidding me? Recent Activity a.. 8New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Right. We will all follow your example. Everyone on Armour will be cured of allergies! Maybe cancer too! Too bad sulfite intolerance is a metabolic problem like lactose intolerance. > > > ALL my allergies went away on Armour and cortef for adrenals. Maybe it's irresponsible to get poor treatment > Gracia > > > Your irresponsibility stems from not just microcrystalline cellulose but your out of hand > dismissal of the possible sulfite contributions from the other ingredients in Armour as well as > telling this woman that she shouldn't react to the sulfite levels in the active ingredient. Are > you kidding me? > > > Recent Activity > a.. 8New Members > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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