Re: Endo, Dr. Blanchard. Any info on him?

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Sorry, but I disagree with you. I have used some of her protocols and I have

gotten much better. You must be in the medical industry.

<res075oh@...> wrote: The so called medical practice of

Hulda is a perfect example of

total quackery. If you have been taken in by her bs you are poorly

informed indeed. She has never healed anyone of anything, but she has

slimed down a number of wallets. For the life of me I cannot understand

how any reasonably intelligent and even average educated person could

fall for such obvious crap.

>

> Re: Endo, Dr. Blanchard. Any info on him?

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> angelinevic <angelinevic>

>

>

> Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:27 pm (PST)

>

> I agree with . I had to do my own research on

> nutrition,herbals, preventative care. Doctors only talk about surgery

> and drugs. Drugs have side effects. A lot of drugs are taken from

> herbs in the first place. For example, do you know aspirin is taken

> from Willow Bark herb. There are so many other drugs that are taken

> from herbs because pharmas cannot patent herbs so they take out the

> main ingredient from herbs and create their own drug and add addional

> chemicals to it which causes the side effects. Doctors also avoid the

> issue of infections. A lot of diseases are caused by parasites,worms

> yeast,bacteria but they always avoid this issue. Doctors do not deal

> with root causes of problems. Read Hulda 's books. She has healed

> a lot of people with cancer. But the medical community does not look

> into what she has to say.They have to think about their bottom line.

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Well, that's just peachy. In view of the fact that the medical establishment has

been saying for years that alternative medicine is quackery, and that just in

the

last few years, a few doctors here and there are telling their patients to use

vitamins and other things that have been advocated since at least the 60s by

Prevention Magazine, just to name one constant source, I'm am underwhelmed

with their snails progress. Back to the future is a reality.

Also, in view of this new revelation about the medical schools, it makes

perfect

sense that they have been trying to regulate the supplement industry. It's

obvious

the pharmaceutical companies just want to add it to their own, and overcharge

for the supplements like they overcharge for the drugs.

Please don't mistake my disgust with " the establishment " to be disgust with

most

of the doctors that I feel try to do the right thing by their patients, but

are hindered

by the insurance companies to " use the right code protocols. "

As for congress, they should make some regulations for the medical

" establishment "

like kicking out bad and dangerous doctors, since the profession doesn't do

it.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

congress doesn't control any medical school curriculums. the

individual medical schools are the ONES who set up their medical school

coursework to meet the standards of a nationalized curriculum standards that was

independently set up. the government has Nothing to do with it. change is

happening. there are many medical schools that have incorporated alternative

medicine course work and clinical training into their programs. for example:

UCLA; UC San Francisco; UC San Diego; Harvard; Columbia: Yale; Stanford:

Colorado University of Health Sciences; Arizona; new Mexico; Oregon; Virginia;

Vermont; USC; Loma ; Dartmouth; to name a few.

nancie

Re: Re: Endo, Dr. Blanchard. Any info on him?

The powers that create the medical school curriculums would have to be lobbied

in

congress to change what they are teaching. This, of course, would be a very long

and

tedious process, with no assurance of change.

The things we as individuals can do is keep using as many of the alternative

therapies

as possible, i.e.: policosanol insteat of statins; go to the complementary

doctors whenever

possible, i.e.: one of the doctors in my cardio group also uses alternative

methods like

hawthorn instead of warfarin. If more and more patients start rebelling against

the Big

Pharma products, maybe they'll start making them safer.

Roni

seashell@...<mailto:seashell%40peak.org> wrote:

Hi Crystal,

How can we effect change in the way that medical schools educate docs

....what can we doi to change it?

Best thoughts,

Crystal wrote:

>I think we can all agree that our healthcare system isn't that good, but

>what we talk about here is ill-informed docs who think they are informed. I

>have been hypo my entire life, but wasn't dx'd until I was in my early 20's.

> Our primary focus here is helping each other deal with being hypo, not doc

>bashing. I really like my doc, it just took me many years to find him

>because all the other doc were blaming all my symptoms on separate issues

>rather than investigating further. All's they had to do was run simple

>blood tests, but they didn't until I was literally falling apart. I blame

>medical school for the way docs treat us. They have to learn somewhere.

>The insurance they carry wouldn't be so high if they'd stop rx'ing making so

>many mistakes. I'm not saying they should be perfect, but I think the drug

>companies convince docs of the next wonder drug, so people use it and

>something bad goes wrong. It's a vicious cycle. I think surgeons are

>getting better than they use to, but people still go in for 1 procedure and

>end up with another. Ok I'll stop.

>crystal

>

>

>

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,

I'm not sure how we can get anyone to do anything they don't want to do.

Big pharm have lot's of money and that's is why they have so much power. I

do think docs should be required to take alt. Medicine classes in grad

school. I also think they should have to intern, so to speak, for

acupuncturist's, herbalists, Chinese medicine practitioners etc etc before

they are allowed to practice medicine. This would give at least a start.

There should also be reform in govt. I don't think the same people who

control our food industry should also control our drug industry. Our food

in this country makes us sick which leads us to the doctors who lead us to

the drug store.DO you agree with any of this? I know you are a nurse and I

really appreciate what you do, but it can't always be the thought that

counts especially when it comes to a person's life.

Example: I just had a cousin who died 2 weeks ago at the age of 34. He

goes to the hospital and they dx him w/ bacterial meningitis and treat him

and a couple of days later he is doing great, no IV's, he ate thanksgiving

dinner and they were going to release him Friday. Friday he starts getting

worse and worse. Monday morning he was dead. Heart Failure. His

cardiologist made the comment about him having too much pain medication. No

autopsy was ordered. This makes me so angry!!!! What did the docs do to

him????? You just can't go to the hospital without becoming an experiment.

It is so sad. Guess I answered your question plus some.

Crystal

-- Re: Re: Endo, Dr. Blanchard. Any info on

him?

Hi Crystal,

How can we effect change in the way that medical schools educate docs

.....what can we doi to change it?

Best thoughts,

Crystal wrote:

>I think we can all agree that our healthcare system isn't that good, but

>what we talk about here is ill-informed docs who think they are informed. I

>have been hypo my entire life, but wasn't dx'd until I was in my early 20's

> Our primary focus here is helping each other deal with being hypo, not doc

>bashing. I really like my doc, it just took me many years to find him

>because all the other doc were blaming all my symptoms on separate issues

>rather than investigating further. All's they had to do was run simple

>blood tests, but they didn't until I was literally falling apart. I blame

>medical school for the way docs treat us. They have to learn somewhere.

>The insurance they carry wouldn't be so high if they'd stop rx'ing making

so

>many mistakes. I'm not saying they should be perfect, but I think the drug

>companies convince docs of the next wonder drug, so people use it and

>something bad goes wrong. It's a vicious cycle. I think surgeons are

>getting better than they use to, but people still go in for 1 procedure and

>end up with another. Ok I'll stop.

>crystal

>

>

>

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I am not nor have I ever been in the medical industry; my only

connection has been as a patient. I also do not have an advanced degree

of any kind; but I do have an IQ over 13. I know a bit of science and

physics; and I can tell you that it is absolutely certain as any

physical fact can be the the methods, equipment, and treatments of said

HC have absolutely no possibility of providing any medical relief beyond

that of the placebo effect and such things as psychosomatic responses.

The " flukes " that she treated people for for so many years do not even

exist in the United States.

>

> Re: Endo, Dr. Blanchard. Any info on him?

>

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> Posted by: " " angelinevic@...

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> angelinevic <angelinevic>

>

>

> Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:15 pm (PST)

>

> Sorry, but I disagree with you. I have used some of her protocols and

> I have gotten much better. You must be in the medical industry.

>

> <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> The so called medical practice of Hxxxx Cxxxx is a perfect example of

> total quackery. If you have been taken in by her bs you are poorly

> informed indeed. She has never healed anyone of anything, but she has

> slimed down a number of wallets. For the life of me I cannot understand

> how any reasonably intelligent and even average educated person could

> fall for such obvious crap.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi -

I will have to get back to you on this- my arthritis and lupus are acting up due

to the cold weather, lol

nancie

Re: Re: Endo, Dr. Blanchard. Any info on

him?

Hi Nancie,

What are your thoughts on what it would take to make those changes?

What can we do to help bring about thowe changes?

Thank you again for the comments you make here.

Best thoughts,

Nancie Barnett wrote:

>hi Seashell-

>thanks!

>as a nurse practitioner { and a patient] I have seen the crisis first hand.

we have go to make some changes in the country otherwise the entire system is

going collapse. then we will be really screwed.....

>nancie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Why , I really would have thought your IQ was over 13. ...LOL

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

I am not nor have I ever been in the medical industry; my only

connection has been as a patient. I also do not have an advanced degree

of any kind; but I do have an IQ over 13. I know a bit of science and

physics; and I can tell you that it is absolutely certain as any

physical fact can be the the methods, equipment, and treatments of said

HC have absolutely no possibility of providing any medical relief beyond

that of the placebo effect and such things as psychosomatic responses.

The " flukes " that she treated people for for so many years do not even

exist in the United States.

>

> Re: Endo, Dr. Blanchard. Any info on him?

>

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>

>

> Posted by: " " angelinevic@...

>

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> angelinevic <angelinevic>

>

>

> Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:15 pm (PST)

>

> Sorry, but I disagree with you. I have used some of her protocols and

> I have gotten much better. You must be in the medical industry.

>

> <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> The so called medical practice of Hxxxx Cxxxx is a perfect example of

> total quackery. If you have been taken in by her bs you are poorly

> informed indeed. She has never healed anyone of anything, but she has

> slimed down a number of wallets. For the life of me I cannot understand

> how any reasonably intelligent and even average educated person could

> fall for such obvious crap.

>

>

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Such negative propositions cannot be scientifically proved.

>

> Re: Endo, Dr. Blanchard. Any info on him?

>

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> Posted by: " AthleticItaliano@... " AthleticItaliano@...

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> athleticitaliano <athleticitaliano>

>

>

> Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:13 pm (PST)

>

> Do you have proof that she has not healed anyone?

[Guest guest]

we are already doing it---the genie is out of the bottle. Groups like this

one exchange information and empower ppl to get well, not just " manage " their

diseases. at some point we will reach critical mass. More ppl will question

this dysfunctional system than will follow it. A lot of docs will be out of a

job.

Gracia

Hi Crystal,

How can we effect change in the way that medical schools educate docs

...what can we doi to change it?

Best thoughts,

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I need to respons to messages...been too busy last few days.

I will try to catch up this weekend...however, in response to your

comment, Gracia...with all due respect...I think you are being a bit

naive. I have a message I would like to forward to you if that's okay

with you. The one problem with the post is that it's almost 800k in

size. It comes from Marsella...2007-2008 president of PsySR,

Psychologists for Social Responsibility. If that's okay, I'll forward it

as soon as I hear from you. It doesn't discuss thyroid...but touches on

how difficult it is to effect change, in a very, very

dramatic way.

Best thoughts,

Gracia wrote:

> we are already doing it---the genie is out of the bottle. Groups like this

one exchange information and empower ppl to get well, not just " manage " their

diseases. at some point we will reach critical mass. More ppl will question

this dysfunctional system than will follow it. A lot of docs will be out of a

job.

> Gracia

>

> Hi Crystal,

> How can we effect change in the way that medical schools educate docs

> ...what can we doi to change it?

> Best thoughts,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

sure---do you mean to me personally? I am talking about the 100th monkey

type of thing. As naturopaths and holistic docs prove themselves, the

allopaths just won't have the business they once enjoyed.

Gracia

circe@...

I need to respons to messages...been too busy last few days.

I will try to catch up this weekend...however, in response to your

comment, Gracia...with all due respect...I think you are being a bit

naive. I have a message I would like to forward to you if that's okay

with you. The one problem with the post is that it's almost 800k in

size. It comes from Marsella...2007-2008 president of PsySR,

Psychologists for Social Responsibility. If that's okay, I'll forward it

as soon as I hear from you. It doesn't discuss thyroid...but touches on

how difficult it is to effect change, in a very, very

dramatic way.

Best thoughts,

Gracia wrote:

> we are already doing it---the genie is out of the bottle. Groups like this

one exchange information and empower ppl to get well, not just " manage " their

diseases. at some point we will reach critical mass. More ppl will question this

dysfunctional system than will follow it. A lot of docs will be out of a job.

> Gracia

>

> Hi Crystal,

> How can we effect change in the way that medical schools educate docs

> ...what can we doi to change it?

> Best thoughts,

>

>

>

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You do realize the " 100th monkey " phenomenon has been established as

bogus??? I got this from Wikipedia:

The story behind this supposed phenomenon originated with Lyall ,

who claimed that it was the observation of Japanese scientists. Such an

observation did not exist (e.g. Myers 1985, Amundson 1985, 1991). One of

the primary factors in the promulgation of the myth is that many authors

quote secondary or tertiary (or worse) sources who have themselves

misrepresented the original observations.

End of quote.

>

> Re: Endo, Dr. Blanchard. Any info on him?

>

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> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:08 pm (PST)

>

>

> sure---do you mean to me personally? I am talking about the 100th

> monkey type of thing. As naturopaths and holistic docs prove

> themselves, the allopaths just won't have the business they once enjoyed.

> Gracia