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[Guest guest]

A lot of the junk food I eat isn't on anybody's approved diet list. At

the same time I can tell that a sweet ripe peach is healthier for me

than ice cream or candy; as is a slice of fresh melon. The fruit in

some manner just tastes healthier somehow; not that the phrase " tastes

healthier " makes much sense. I probably eat a lot of sweet junk food

compensating for some obscure psychological difficulty.

2e.

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graciabee <graciabee>

Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:47 am (PST)

this is a prob b/c I find that most diet information is completely

erroneous. IMO you eat much better than your wife! Low cal/low fat

is a recipe for misery. See Schwarzbein Principle.

gracia

Fact is my diet is atrocious, probably the worst of anyone on this list

and I weigh 175-180 lbs [male, 5'-11 " ]. I just do not efficiently

convert food to flesh. My wife is very knowledgable about a healthy

diet [calories, fat grams, and so on] but I don't pay any attention to

that. She is often aghast at what I eat and how much, but she can't

deny that she has to struggle to maintain the weight she wants while

for

me it is a breeze. I get a bag of chocolate covered peanuts and she

eats one small piece; I'll eat half the [pound] bag. When we eat ice

cream she will get half a cup of sugar free while I will get a heaping

soup bowl of triple chocolate. I don't drink a glass of water per week;

sometimes in a month. I eat all the junk food you say makes Americans

fat and my weight stays 175-185. I am 65 years of living proof that at

least in some cases what you say is horse.., er, invalid.

I'm convinced that it's my metabolism, which I believe tends to be

genetic. Like I said, life ain't fair.

But if it _is_ horse puckey it has plenty of company on this list.

[Guest guest]

AHA

well get yourself to a psych doc then. No maybe you crave sweets b/c you need

adrenal meds

Gracia

A lot of the junk food I eat isn't on anybody's approved diet list. At

the same time I can tell that a sweet ripe peach is healthier for me

than ice cream or candy; as is a slice of fresh melon. The fruit in

some manner just tastes healthier somehow; not that the phrase " tastes

healthier " makes much sense. I probably eat a lot of sweet junk food

compensating for some obscure psychological difficulty.

2e.

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graciabee <graciabee>

Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:47 am (PST)

this is a prob b/c I find that most diet information is completely

erroneous. IMO you eat much better than your wife! Low cal/low fat

is a recipe for misery. See Schwarzbein Principle.

gracia

Fact is my diet is atrocious, probably the worst of anyone on this list

and I weigh 175-180 lbs [male, 5'-11 " ]. I just do not efficiently

convert food to flesh. My wife is very knowledgable about a healthy

diet [calories, fat grams, and so on] but I don't pay any attention to

that. She is often aghast at what I eat and how much, but she can't

deny that she has to struggle to maintain the weight she wants while

for

me it is a breeze. I get a bag of chocolate covered peanuts and she

eats one small piece; I'll eat half the [pound] bag. When we eat ice

cream she will get half a cup of sugar free while I will get a heaping

soup bowl of triple chocolate. I don't drink a glass of water per week;

sometimes in a month. I eat all the junk food you say makes Americans

fat and my weight stays 175-185. I am 65 years of living proof that at

least in some cases what you say is horse.., er, invalid.

I'm convinced that it's my metabolism, which I believe tends to be

genetic. Like I said, life ain't fair.

But if it _is_ horse puckey it has plenty of company on this list.

[Guest guest]

What I don't get (this is jealousy) how do you happen to have such

a rapid metabolism at the same time as a disease of slow metabolism?

(HypoT) Do you really have HYpoT or some mimic of it?

Kerry

Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

Fact is my diet is atrocious, probably the worst of anyone on this list

and I weigh 175-180 lbs [male, 5'-11 " ]. I just do not efficiently

convert food to flesh. My wife is very knowledgable about a healthy

diet [calories, fat grams, and so on] but I don't pay any attention to

that. She is often aghast at what I eat and how much, but she can't

deny that she has to struggle to maintain the weight she wants while for

me it is a breeze. I get a bag of chocolate covered peanuts and she

eats one small piece; I'll eat half the [pound] bag. When we eat ice

cream she will get half a cup of sugar free while I will get a heaping

soup bowl of triple chocolate. I don't drink a glass of water per week;

sometimes in a month. I eat all the junk food you say makes Americans

fat and my weight stays 175-185. I am 65 years of living proof that at

least in some cases what you say is horse.., er, invalid.

I'm convinced that it's my metabolism, which I believe tends to be

genetic. Like I said, life ain't fair.

But if it _is_ horse puckey it has plenty of company on this list.

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graciabee <http://profiles. <graciabee>

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Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:10 pm (PST)

oh horse puckey

all the people in France have the same genes? Wherever I have

traveled in the world, the poeple all look the same size, except in

America. Is not being breast fed, growing up on count chocula,

artificial fats, sodas etc genetic? Our health is for sale in America.

Gracia

I think a lot of our weight problems are genetic. If my wife ate what I

eat she would weigh tons. And then when your hormones get messed up all

bets are off IMHO.

Life ain't fair...

[Guest guest]

oh I think diabetes, childhood obesity, heart disease are epidemics. We reap

what we sow. Maybe all these proibs are caused by iodine deificiency? And I

think uterine environment plays a huge role, as well as the first few years of

life.

I am a big fan of lard, it is a good fat.

FWI I grew up very rich, with a cook and a nanny, no parents!, never ate

processed anything, oh yeah white bread, but I've been sick all my life.

gracia

I agree with you that a lot of us have major metabolic problems that are

unlikely to be cured by diets, but I disagree with you if you state

there are no genetic links to metabolism. In the sense of your

statement, yes, epidemics are not genetic in origin. But that is

irrelevant, because our major metabolic problems do not fit the

classical definition of epidemic.

We grew up in a sense on " real food " . Beans and corn bread, plus meat

when we had it. I don't know that my mom had a written recipe her

entire life, but if she did the first thing in everything she cooked

would have said: " Start with two tablespoons of lard. " And for her a

tablespoon meant all she could get on a tablespoon, which was about a

cup full.

Squirrel hunting augmented our diet. Did you know that when you shoot a

squirrel with a shotgun you can never get all the lead pellets out? I

wonder how many I swallowed growing up.

We grew up in a level of poverty that most people of today in the USA do

not even know exists. And I hope it doesn't anymore. The store bought

staples we use were lard, flour, and sugar. And we didn't buy lard for

a long time after hog killing. I can remember going for months without

meat on the table, and you may rest assured we were not [willful]

vegetarians. As a matter of fact we never heard that word while growing

up. I never lived in a house with inside plumbing until I grew up and

left home. I was probably a teenager before we had electricity.

I agree with you that a lot of us have major metabolic problems that are

unlikely to be cured by diets, but I disagree with you if you state

there are no genetic links to metabolism. In the sense of your

statement, yes, epidemics are not genetic in origin. But that is

irrelevant, because our major metabolic problems do not fit the

classical definition of epidemic.

Like I said, life ain't fair.

But you play the cards you're dealt.

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graciabee <graciabee>

Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:43 am (PST)

you come from a time when ppl mostly ate real food, probly you

were breast fed. I don't think overweight ppl are fat pigs, I think

they have major metabolic probs that can't be cured by diets but I

don't think it's " encoded in the genes " . Epidemics are just not

genetic in origin.

gracia

The problem with your world view is that I have all the bad food habits

you say should make me weigh hundreds of pounds and I don't.

I happen to agree with you that in a vast number of cases a person's

excess weight is the result of poor eating habits. But I have all those

poor eating habits and am of a reasonable weight, so I am proof of at

least one exception. And I know of others.

There have been many people post to this list who assert in what seems

to me an honest manner that their eating habits are at least 1000%

better than mine, yet they gain [or cannot lose] weight. I believe

thyroid problems can be a major contributor to weight gain or difficult

weight control. I believe you make a huge mistake if you assert that

every heavy person is just a fat dumb pig who hasn't sense enough to

eat

right. I am convinced that at least some people eat sanely but still

fight a losing battle of the bulge; and I believe at least some of

those

cases are from a genetically driven metabolism.

[Guest guest]

I'm afraid I have about as much faith in " psych docs " as you do in most

doctors who do conventional hypothyroid treatment.

I read somewhere that it you go to a really good psychologist your

problem will be better in about 180 days. And if you don't go to one it

will probably take 6 months for you to feel better! [ggg]

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graciabee <graciabee>

Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:43 pm (PST)

AHA

well get yourself to a psych doc then. No maybe you crave sweets b/c

you need adrenal meds

Gracia

A lot of the junk food I eat isn't on anybody's approved diet list. At

the same time I can tell that a sweet ripe peach is healthier for me

than ice cream or candy; as is a slice of fresh melon. The fruit in

some manner just tastes healthier somehow; not that the phrase " tastes

healthier " makes much sense. I probably eat a lot of sweet junk food

compensating for some obscure psychological difficulty.

[Guest guest]

Kerry, that's the 64 dollar question. When my first TSH test indicated

hypothyroidism my wife exploded in disbelief: " You can't possibly be

hypothyroid; by all indications you should test hyperthyroid! " Yet 6

weeks later my TSH had risen again, so I was started on Synthroid.

I took the battery of symptom tests in Dr. T. Hertoghe's [sp?] book on

hypothyroidism and scored a profound negative on just about everything;

only a very few were even marginal.

I have heard that elevated TSH with no hypothyroidism symptoms can

[rarely] be cause by a pituitary problem such as a tumor. I also have a

second condition, phantosmia [which is phantom smells] that can be

caused by a pituitary tumor. Because of that I had a brain MRI on July

6, which showed no abnormal growths but did show some kind of

circulatory problem. I have an appointment tomorrow with a neurologist

to address the brain circulatory problem.

I often feel I don't even belong here, because although I have the

clinical definition of hypothyroidism and am on 75 mg Synthroid I don't

seem to have any of the symptoms. I feel really guilty many times

reading the difficulties suffered by so many here.

1d.

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silabell <silabell>

Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:56 pm (PST)

What I don't get (this is jealousy) how do you happen to have such

a rapid metabolism at the same time as a disease of slow metabolism?

(HypoT) Do you really have HYpoT or some mimic of it?

Kerry

Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

Fact is my diet is atrocious, probably the worst of anyone on this list

and I weigh 175-180 lbs [male, 5'-11 " ]. I just do not efficiently

convert food to flesh. My wife is very knowledgable about a healthy

diet [calories, fat grams, and so on] but I don't pay any attention to

that. She is often aghast at what I eat and how much, but she can't

deny that she has to struggle to maintain the weight she wants while for

me it is a breeze. I get a bag of chocolate covered peanuts and she

eats one small piece; I'll eat half the [pound] bag. When we eat ice

cream she will get half a cup of sugar free while I will get a heaping

soup bowl of triple chocolate. I don't drink a glass of water per week;

sometimes in a month. I eat all the junk food you say makes Americans

fat and my weight stays 175-185. I am 65 years of living proof that at

least in some cases what you say is horse.., er, invalid.

I'm convinced that it's my metabolism, which I believe tends to be

genetic. Like I said, life ain't fair.

But if it _is_ horse puckey it has plenty of company on this list.

[Guest guest]

The use of " epidemic " in the manner you do in your sentence below is a

very acceptable secondary use of the word. I tend to stick to the more

rigorous primary definition.

Your original statement was:

" you come from a time when ppl mostly ate real food, probly you

were breast fed. I don't think overweight ppl are fat pigs, I think

they have major metabolic probs that can't be cured by diets but I

don't think it's " encoded in the genes " . Epidemics are just not

genetic in origin. "

End of quote.

You simply cannot rule out genetics in the primary [scientifically

rigorous] definition of the word " epidemics " . We know that it may well

be the genetic modification of the causative agent that suddenly allows

it to " take off " in humans. It also seems highly probably that genetic

modifications in the host [human] could well be a factor.

In your secondary use above the best scientific evidence of which I am

aware indicates an " epidemic of obesity " may or may not be genetic [all

or part] in origin.

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graciabee <graciabee>

Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:11 pm (PST)

oh I think diabetes, childhood obesity, heart disease are epidemics.

We reap what we sow. Maybe all these proibs are caused by iodine

deificiency? And I think uterine environment plays a huge role, as

well as the first few years of life.

I am a big fan of lard, it is a good fat.

FWI I grew up very rich, with a cook and a nanny, no parents!, never

ate processed anything, oh yeah white bread, but I've been sick all

my life.

gracia

[Guest guest]

well whatever, I think you've lost me.

Just today I was reading an article in NYT that quoted some scientist as

saying that the most profound effects on long term health are uterine

environment and from birth to age 2. That's when supernutrition is crucial.

Hey that's what I said.

Gracia

p.s you shouldn't feel guilty at all b/c you don't have some of the more

severe health probs. I am so glad for you. OTOH my weller friends have no

compassion or understanding for what I have endured and overcome. Sometimes I

would like to smack them for their smug lack of understanding.

The use of " epidemic " in the manner you do in your sentence below is a

very acceptable secondary use of the word. I tend to stick to the more

rigorous primary definition.

Your original statement was:

" you come from a time when ppl mostly ate real food, probly you

were breast fed. I don't think overweight ppl are fat pigs, I think

they have major metabolic probs that can't be cured by diets but I

don't think it's " encoded in the genes " . Epidemics are just not

genetic in origin. "

End of quote.

You simply cannot rule out genetics in the primary [scientifically

rigorous] definition of the word " epidemics " . We know that it may well

be the genetic modification of the causative agent that suddenly allows

it to " take off " in humans. It also seems highly probably that genetic

modifications in the host [human] could well be a factor.

In your secondary use above the best scientific evidence of which I am

aware indicates an " epidemic of obesity " may or may not be genetic [all

or part] in origin.

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graciabee <graciabee>

Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:11 pm (PST)

oh I think diabetes, childhood obesity, heart disease are epidemics.

We reap what we sow. Maybe all these proibs are caused by iodine

deificiency? And I think uterine environment plays a huge role, as

well as the first few years of life.

I am a big fan of lard, it is a good fat.

FWI I grew up very rich, with a cook and a nanny, no parents!, never

ate processed anything, oh yeah white bread, but I've been sick all

my life.

gracia

[Guest guest]

Well I don't mean to make you feel guilty.....if being on this board is

helpful I don't think it matters whether you have symptoms. But it does

seem that you have more to discover. Did you have any symptoms at all in

the first place that prompted you to go to the doctor and get tested?

K

Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

Fact is my diet is atrocious, probably the worst of anyone on this list

and I weigh 175-180 lbs [male, 5'-11 " ]. I just do not efficiently

convert food to flesh. My wife is very knowledgable about a healthy

diet [calories, fat grams, and so on] but I don't pay any attention to

that. She is often aghast at what I eat and how much, but she can't

deny that she has to struggle to maintain the weight she wants while for

me it is a breeze. I get a bag of chocolate covered peanuts and she

eats one small piece; I'll eat half the [pound] bag. When we eat ice

cream she will get half a cup of sugar free while I will get a heaping

soup bowl of triple chocolate. I don't drink a glass of water per week;

sometimes in a month. I eat all the junk food you say makes Americans

fat and my weight stays 175-185. I am 65 years of living proof that at

least in some cases what you say is horse.., er, invalid.

I'm convinced that it's my metabolism, which I believe tends to be

genetic. Like I said, life ain't fair.

But if it _is_ horse puckey it has plenty of company on this list.

[Guest guest]

,

Just wanted to say thanks for your posts. Glad to know that I am

not alone. I do believe its genetics. I eat everything and

anything and haven't gained a pound. Junk food is on my list to.

I'm 5'11 " , 130 lbs and have Hashis/HypoT. Have 2 kids and gained

over 70 pounds with each pregnency and lost it all in 6 months. I

believe that its taken so many years to get steady treatment has

been because of my weight. It took a TSH over 150 and an enlarged

goiter to get a Dr. to take me serious. I finally got my TSH down

to .7 and feel great. Brain fog has cleared up and most symptoms

are gone as long as I stick to a regular schedule. If I get off the

schedule, the moodiness returns. The only difference I have noticed

after being on meds, is that I now have an appetite where I never

did and still haven't gained any weight. I have been trying to put

on at least 20 pounds to look " normal " and nothing works. Guess its

all in the genes

Dawn

>

> Kerry, that's the 64 dollar question. When my first TSH test

indicated

> hypothyroidism my wife exploded in disbelief: " You can't possibly

be

> hypothyroid; by all indications you should test hyperthyroid! "

Yet 6

> weeks later my TSH had risen again, so I was started on Synthroid.

>

> I took the battery of symptom tests in Dr. T. Hertoghe's [sp?]

book on

> hypothyroidism and scored a profound negative on just about

everything;

> only a very few were even marginal.

>

> I have heard that elevated TSH with no hypothyroidism symptoms can

> [rarely] be cause by a pituitary problem such as a tumor. I also

have a

> second condition, phantosmia [which is phantom smells] that can be

> caused by a pituitary tumor. Because of that I had a brain MRI on

July

> 6, which showed no abnormal growths but did show some kind of

> circulatory problem. I have an appointment tomorrow with a

neurologist

> to address the brain circulatory problem.

>

> I often feel I don't even belong here, because although I have the

> clinical definition of hypothyroidism and am on 75 mg Synthroid I

don't

> seem to have any of the symptoms. I feel really guilty many times

> reading the difficulties suffered by so many here.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

Do you know if you have hashi's? Also, are you taking synthroid?

Thanks!

dawn <cowncalves@...> wrote:

,

Just wanted to say thanks for your posts. Glad to know that I am

not alone. I do believe its genetics. I eat everything and

anything and haven't gained a pound. Junk food is on my list to.

I'm 5'11 " , 130 lbs and have Hashis/HypoT. Have 2 kids and gained

over 70 pounds with each pregnency and lost it all in 6 months. I

believe that its taken so many years to get steady treatment has

been because of my weight. It took a TSH over 150 and an enlarged

goiter to get a Dr. to take me serious. I finally got my TSH down

to .7 and feel great. Brain fog has cleared up and most symptoms

are gone as long as I stick to a regular schedule. If I get off the

schedule, the moodiness returns. The only difference I have noticed

after being on meds, is that I now have an appetite where I never

did and still haven't gained any weight. I have been trying to put

on at least 20 pounds to look " normal " and nothing works. Guess its

all in the genes

Dawn

>

> Kerry, that's the 64 dollar question. When my first TSH test

indicated

> hypothyroidism my wife exploded in disbelief: " You can't possibly

be

> hypothyroid; by all indications you should test hyperthyroid! "

Yet 6

> weeks later my TSH had risen again, so I was started on Synthroid.

>

> I took the battery of symptom tests in Dr. T. Hertoghe's [sp?]

book on

> hypothyroidism and scored a profound negative on just about

everything;

> only a very few were even marginal.

>

> I have heard that elevated TSH with no hypothyroidism symptoms can

> [rarely] be cause by a pituitary problem such as a tumor. I also

have a

> second condition, phantosmia [which is phantom smells] that can be

> caused by a pituitary tumor. Because of that I had a brain MRI on

July

> 6, which showed no abnormal growths but did show some kind of

> circulatory problem. I have an appointment tomorrow with a

neurologist

> to address the brain circulatory problem.

>

> I often feel I don't even belong here, because although I have the

> clinical definition of hypothyroidism and am on 75 mg Synthroid I

don't

> seem to have any of the symptoms. I feel really guilty many times

> reading the difficulties suffered by so many here.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Edie,

I would like to ditto what said, especially if you feel like

you are doing your best to eat healthy and within calorie limits.

My metabolism fluctuates quite a bit because my thryoid does. I

keep three different sizes of clothes in my closet because I can

shoot up nearly overnight. One thing I am really watching that

might help:

Really read all ingredients.

1.There is hidden soy in nearly everything that is prepared. For

some this isn't a big factor, for me it makes a huge difference.

2. Likewise, with flouride consumption. I don't drink tea and have

been swithching to more bottled water without it rather than tap.

3. Lots of high cardio exercise. Low impact wasn't doing much for

weight loss, but intense cardio is making a big difference.

4. Counting calories isn't enough, you really need to watch the

types of calories. I have found the best luck with more fruit and

less protein and refined carbs. I do eat refined carbs, but they are

strategically timed for my physical activity that day.

Lastly, just know you may be one that fluctuates a lot as well.

Don't get discouraged because it will eventually pass.

Sherry

>

> Edie, I happen to believe you're telling the simple truth, because

I've

> seen too many examples where the world view of the " horse puckey "

types

> just don't fit. I'm really sorry to say I don't have any good

advice

> for you other than to hang in there and don't give up. Keep

learning

> all you can, but be sure to take whatever I or anyone else on the

web

> tells you with a healthy dose of skepticism. While I freely admit

I

> have no accredited medical expertise not everyone will do so;

especially

> those trying to sell you something. And if I ever tell you

something

> and Chuck disputes it, believe Chuck! [ggg]

>

> I am often chagrined and embarrassed by how easy I have some

things

> while some on this list [and elsewhere] have such a struggle with

them.

>

> Luck,

>

>

>

> 1i.

>

>

> Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Edie " ediemarie@...

> <mailto:ediemarie@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20weight%20loss%

20solutions%20anyone%3F%3F%3F%20ENERGY%3F%3F>

> edithcress <edithcress>

>

>

> Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:10 am (PST)

>

> Sandy,

>

> I don't have any secrets to weight loss, I just want you to

know

> that you're

> not alone. I, also, was always fairly thin. I was in the Marine

> Corps, so

> I exercised daily and weighed a very fit 120 lbs. I am now a

flabby (no

> muscle tone) 150 lbs, and I'm also only 5'3 " . I've tried almost

> every diet

> out there, but can't seem to lose the weight. No carb diet,

low carb

> diet,

> low fat diet, the caveman diet (if it wasn't around when

cavemen

> existed, I

> didn't eat it), and I wasted money on almost every miracle

cure diet

> pill.

> On top of that, I exercise daily - running and lifting

weights. I still

> can't lose weight. And to make matters worse, it seems as if I

can't run

> like I used to. I get muscle fatigue and muscle cramps now at

the

> end of a

> mile. I used to run three miles with no problem. I also can't

seem to

> catch my breath when running anymore. It's very frustrating.

>

> I've tossed around the idea of Alvidar, which someone else of

the

> list is

> using. But for now, I'm going to try some other advice I read

on the

> list.

> I'm going to go talk to a different doctor about switching to

Armour

> (which

> will hopefully alleviate some of the nagging symptoms I have).

I've also

> ordered Iodoral and Isocort. I ordered them mostly to try to

> alleviate some

> of the symptoms (sore muscles, painful and swollen joints, mild

> depression,

> mild PMS, etc. - all of which were MAJOR before I started on

> Synthroid) If

> I have any luck with them, or if I lose any weight on them,

I'll

> definitely

> let you know.

>

> And, as far as it being a genetic problem, well, my Mom has

thyroid

> issues

> too. And she's overweight too - 5'4 " at 165 lb. I don't really

know if

> weight is a genetic thing or not, but I definitely believe your

> metabolism

> and/or thyroid is. My sister is 5'0 " and weighs 95 lbs. My

> Grandmother was

> 4'11 " and weighed 87 lbs - a tiny woman. Maybe if my thyroid

was still

> working, I'd be thin like them.

>

> Edie

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That advice is excellent! As someone who is studying nutrition I would just

like to add some things. Know your blood type and find out the best diet for

you. Some bloodtypes are calorie sensitive while others are carb or protein

sensitive. Also, for me, if there are more than 5 ingredients in something and

any of them are a color with a number, or something I can't pronounce.....NO

GOOD :0)! I am a metabolism fluctuater as well and a big advocate of exercise.

I have said it for years and I will say it again....Curves for Women is an

excellant workout. It allows you to strength train and cardio all in one and

you can start out slower and work your way to a high impact eventualy. It is

resisitance against yourself (similar to swimming) because the machines are

filled with fluid, not weights. I used to mangae one and I have seen women of

all ages, shapes, sizes, see results. Anyone who didn't see results was not

really workining out when they were there. Just a

quick imput. Also, organic meats and dairy are a must if they have to be eaten

at all. Good luck be healthy!

Sherry <hary722001@...> wrote: Edie,

I would like to ditto what said, especially if you feel like

you are doing your best to eat healthy and within calorie limits.

My metabolism fluctuates quite a bit because my thryoid does. I

keep three different sizes of clothes in my closet because I can

shoot up nearly overnight. One thing I am really watching that

might help:

Really read all ingredients.

1.There is hidden soy in nearly everything that is prepared. For

some this isn't a big factor, for me it makes a huge difference.

2. Likewise, with flouride consumption. I don't drink tea and have

been swithching to more bottled water without it rather than tap.

3. Lots of high cardio exercise. Low impact wasn't doing much for

weight loss, but intense cardio is making a big difference.

4. Counting calories isn't enough, you really need to watch the

types of calories. I have found the best luck with more fruit and

less protein and refined carbs. I do eat refined carbs, but they are

strategically timed for my physical activity that day.

Lastly, just know you may be one that fluctuates a lot as well.

Don't get discouraged because it will eventually pass.

Sherry

>

> Edie, I happen to believe you're telling the simple truth, because

I've

> seen too many examples where the world view of the " horse puckey "

types

> just don't fit. I'm really sorry to say I don't have any good

advice

> for you other than to hang in there and don't give up. Keep

learning

> all you can, but be sure to take whatever I or anyone else on the

web

> tells you with a healthy dose of skepticism. While I freely admit

I

> have no accredited medical expertise not everyone will do so;

especially

> those trying to sell you something. And if I ever tell you

something

> and Chuck disputes it, believe Chuck! [ggg]

>

> I am often chagrined and embarrassed by how easy I have some

things

> while some on this list [and elsewhere] have such a struggle with

them.

>

> Luck,

>

>

>

> 1i.

>

>

> Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

>

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MTJxaHFqbGdnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE2MDQyNTEwO

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Edie " ediemarie@...

> <mailto:ediemarie@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20weight%20loss%

20solutions%20anyone%3F%3F%3F%20ENERGY%3F%3F>

> edithcress <edithcress>

>

>

> Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:10 am (PST)

>

> Sandy,

>

> I don't have any secrets to weight loss, I just want you to

know

> that you're

> not alone. I, also, was always fairly thin. I was in the Marine

> Corps, so

> I exercised daily and weighed a very fit 120 lbs. I am now a

flabby (no

> muscle tone) 150 lbs, and I'm also only 5'3 " . I've tried almost

> every diet

> out there, but can't seem to lose the weight. No carb diet,

low carb

> diet,

> low fat diet, the caveman diet (if it wasn't around when

cavemen

> existed, I

> didn't eat it), and I wasted money on almost every miracle

cure diet

> pill.

> On top of that, I exercise daily - running and lifting

weights. I still

> can't lose weight. And to make matters worse, it seems as if I

can't run

> like I used to. I get muscle fatigue and muscle cramps now at

the

> end of a

> mile. I used to run three miles with no problem. I also can't

seem to

> catch my breath when running anymore. It's very frustrating.

>

> I've tossed around the idea of Alvidar, which someone else of

the

> list is

> using. But for now, I'm going to try some other advice I read

on the

> list.

> I'm going to go talk to a different doctor about switching to

Armour

> (which

> will hopefully alleviate some of the nagging symptoms I have).

I've also

> ordered Iodoral and Isocort. I ordered them mostly to try to

> alleviate some

> of the symptoms (sore muscles, painful and swollen joints, mild

> depression,

> mild PMS, etc. - all of which were MAJOR before I started on

> Synthroid) If

> I have any luck with them, or if I lose any weight on them,

I'll

> definitely

> let you know.

>

> And, as far as it being a genetic problem, well, my Mom has

thyroid

> issues

> too. And she's overweight too - 5'4 " at 165 lb. I don't really

know if

> weight is a genetic thing or not, but I definitely believe your

> metabolism

> and/or thyroid is. My sister is 5'0 " and weighs 95 lbs. My

> Grandmother was

> 4'11 " and weighed 87 lbs - a tiny woman. Maybe if my thyroid

was still

> working, I'd be thin like them.

>

> Edie

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No; it was just a blood test in a routine physical.

BTW, I went to the neurologist today and he said the limited blood flow

to tiny parts of my brain were perfectly normal for my age, and no cause

for concern. He said the only treatment or preventive for the

condition is to take a baby aspirin each day, and I already do that.

He also explained that the ease of bruising that I have noticed over the

past few years is caused by the blood thinning effects of the aspirin.

I didn't mean to indicate that anyone tried to make me feel guilty;

quite the opposite.

1e.

Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

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Posted by: " Kerry Ann Faithfull " kerry@...

<mailto:kerry@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20weight%20loss%20solutions%20any\

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silabell <silabell>

Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:38 pm (PST)

Well I don't mean to make you feel guilty.....if being on this board is

helpful I don't think it matters whether you have symptoms. But it does

seem that you have more to discover. Did you have any symptoms at all in

the first place that prompted you to go to the doctor and get tested?

K

Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

Kerry, that's the 64 dollar question. When my first TSH test indicated

hypothyroidism my wife exploded in disbelief: " You can't possibly be

hypothyroid; by all indications you should test hyperthyroid! " Yet 6

weeks later my TSH had risen again, so I was started on Synthroid.

I took the battery of symptom tests in Dr. T. Hertoghe's [sp?] book on

hypothyroidism and scored a profound negative on just about everything;

only a very few were even marginal.

I have heard that elevated TSH with no hypothyroidism symptoms can

[rarely] be cause by a pituitary problem such as a tumor. I also have a

second condition, phantosmia [which is phantom smells] that can be

caused by a pituitary tumor. Because of that I had a brain MRI on July

6, which showed no abnormal growths but did show some kind of

circulatory problem. I have an appointment tomorrow with a neurologist

to address the brain circulatory problem.

I often feel I don't even belong here, because although I have the

clinical definition of hypothyroidism and am on 75 mg Synthroid I don't

seem to have any of the symptoms. I feel really guilty many times

reading the difficulties suffered by so many here.