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[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, I wish you luck in all of your problems. I tried Alvidar, and

it did help, yet since my bladder is sensitive, it made me go more.

Fortunately, I am on something for my bladder now, so I may try it

again. Good luck, and what did you take while you were pregnant

that helped regulate your thyroid, because you can't take natural

meds. They haven't been tested enough by the FDA, yet they work so

much better than Synthroid etc........

Many blessings,

Randolph

> Hi, I am new to this group and I am really glad there is a place

> like this. I get extremely frustrated with my problems. Here's the

> deal, I am a female and will be 27 in August, I have an

underactive

> thyroid, make that a MAJOR underactive problem normal levels are

> like .5 mine are more like 112. My doctors have never been able

to

> regulate it. I had radiation therapy in April of 98' and quickly

> went underactive I went from 105 ibs. to now 200ibs. I gained

> roughly 10-15 pounds per week. I have a will be 4 year old in July

> and an almost 7 year old When I was pregnant was the only time I

> lost weight ironically it was easy to lose 40 ibs as soon as I had

> my last baby only to gain it back after my levels went out of wack

> again, I am drained drained drained. All I want to do is sleep.

> This has affected my life considerably I feel like someone 2 times

> my age. I am a daycare teacher I can barely keep up there chasing

2

> year olds all day and them come home to cook clean and bathe for

my

> two kids. What I am trying to get at is, I have heard about the

> thyroxine, thyax, and alvidar and researched to know that they are

> safe to take, but I did not know if any of these were effective.

(I

> now the Thyrin ATC did nothing for me) I exercise and eat pretty

> healthy also. Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

> Billie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have been wanting to try the Alvidar,maybe I will now. As for when I was

pregnant, I just took my regular dose of synthroid. I don't know why they

regulated unfortunately it did not last, it makes me want to keep getting

pregnant just so I can feel good. Okay maybe not as I am yelling at my kids to

stay in bed

julierand2000 <julierand2000@...> wrote:

>

> Hi, I wish you luck in all of your problems. I tried Alvidar, and

it did help, yet since my bladder is sensitive, it made me go more.

Fortunately, I am on something for my bladder now, so I may try it

again. Good luck, and what did you take while you were pregnant

that helped regulate your thyroid, because you can't take natural

meds. They haven't been tested enough by the FDA, yet they work so

much better than Synthroid etc........

Many blessings,

Randolph

> Hi, I am new to this group and I am really glad there is a place

> like this. I get extremely frustrated with my problems. Here's the

> deal, I am a female and will be 27 in August, I have an

underactive

> thyroid, make that a MAJOR underactive problem normal levels are

> like .5 mine are more like 112. My doctors have never been able

to

> regulate it. I had radiation therapy in April of 98' and quickly

> went underactive I went from 105 ibs. to now 200ibs. I gained

> roughly 10-15 pounds per week. I have a will be 4 year old in July

> and an almost 7 year old When I was pregnant was the only time I

> lost weight ironically it was easy to lose 40 ibs as soon as I had

> my last baby only to gain it back after my levels went out of wack

> again, I am drained drained drained. All I want to do is sleep.

> This has affected my life considerably I feel like someone 2 times

> my age. I am a daycare teacher I can barely keep up there chasing

2

> year olds all day and them come home to cook clean and bathe for

my

> two kids. What I am trying to get at is, I have heard about the

> thyroxine, thyax, and alvidar and researched to know that they are

> safe to take, but I did not know if any of these were effective.

(I

> now the Thyrin ATC did nothing for me) I exercise and eat pretty

> healthy also. Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

> Billie

>

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[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi, I wish you luck in all of your problems. I tried Alvidar,

and

> it did help, yet since my bladder is sensitive, it made me go

more.

> Fortunately, I am on something for my bladder now, so I may try

it

> again. Good luck, and what did you take while you were pregnant

> that helped regulate your thyroid, because you can't take natural

> meds. They haven't been tested enough by the FDA, yet they work

so

> much better than Synthroid etc........

>

> Many blessings,

>

> Randolph

> > Hi, I am new to this group and I am really glad there is a

place

> > like this. I get extremely frustrated with my problems. Here's

the

> > deal, I am a female and will be 27 in August, I have an

> underactive

> > thyroid, make that a MAJOR underactive problem normal levels

are

> > like .5 mine are more like 112. My doctors have never been able

> to

> > regulate it. I had radiation therapy in April of 98' and

quickly

> > went underactive I went from 105 ibs. to now 200ibs. I gained

> > roughly 10-15 pounds per week. I have a will be 4 year old in

July

> > and an almost 7 year old When I was pregnant was the only time

I

> > lost weight ironically it was easy to lose 40 ibs as soon as I

had

> > my last baby only to gain it back after my levels went out of

wack

> > again, I am drained drained drained. All I want to do is sleep.

> > This has affected my life considerably I feel like someone 2

times

> > my age. I am a daycare teacher I can barely keep up there

chasing

> 2

> > year olds all day and them come home to cook clean and bathe

for

> my

> > two kids. What I am trying to get at is, I have heard about the

> > thyroxine, thyax, and alvidar and researched to know that they

are

> > safe to take, but I did not know if any of these were

effective.

> (I

> > now the Thyrin ATC did nothing for me) I exercise and eat

pretty

> > healthy also. Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

> > Billie

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Many years ago I was put on a diet for a medical condition [not to lose

weight]. It was simple: No sugar, no bread, no fried food. I lost

quite a bit of weight without even noticing it. And that seemed strange

at the time, because of how I pigged out on everything else.

If you want to know how your body processes different foods then I

suggest you read two books. One is THE SOUTH BEACH DIET [by Dr. Arthur

Agatston] and the other is THE ZONE [by Dr. Barry Sears]. I don't

necessarily recommend the diets, but I believe the info in these is

pretty well researched.

Luck,

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ryn564 <ryn564>

Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:20 am (PST)

I just stopped eating bread and Soy. It took about one week but I

felt better and lost 10lbs. In one month I have lost almost all the

weight that I gained. Over 20 lbs.With the weight loss, I got more

energy. Dauphine999

[Guest guest]

What is actually hyper for someone not on treatment and what is hyper

for someone who IS on treatment seems to vary, although I'm not sure

your doctor would agree. Many people here report that they can't get

relief from hypo symptoms until the TSH level is very close to zero.

My suggestion would be to learn the hyper symptoms and look out for

them, but otherwise lean toward pushing your TSH to or below the lower

range.

As always, YMMV, and I have no medical credentials whatsoever.

8b.

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mattysmummyxoxo <mattysmummyxoxo>

Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:47 am (PST)

I don't even eat bread... And DEFINATELY no soy!!! ; (

I feel like this bout of thyroid weight gain will never leave!!! I

can't even get enough energy to go to the gym and the heat is not

helping!!! The last two times I had to lose the weight it seemed

like it came of easiery once my levels were corrected... They are

telling me my TSH is looking hyper... I sure don't feel or look

hyper!!! 70 lbs. overweight right now...

Any advice is appreciated...

Pamela

[Guest guest]

Yes, she did listed. at a TSH of .5 I got her to raise my dose of Armour 30

mg. more a day...

I am also on cytomel 3 x's a day...

Still not having any luck with the weight...

Arrrrrgh!!!

Pamela

<res075oh@...> wrote:

What is actually hyper for someone not on treatment and what is hyper

for someone who IS on treatment seems to vary, although I'm not sure

your doctor would agree. Many people here report that they can't get

relief from hypo symptoms until the TSH level is very close to zero.

My suggestion would be to learn the hyper symptoms and look out for

them, but otherwise lean toward pushing your TSH to or below the lower

range.

As always, YMMV, and I have no medical credentials whatsoever.

8b.

Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

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mattysmummyxoxo <mattysmummyxoxo>

Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:47 am (PST)

I don't even eat bread... And DEFINATELY no soy!!! ; (

I feel like this bout of thyroid weight gain will never leave!!! I

can't even get enough energy to go to the gym and the heat is not

helping!!! The last two times I had to lose the weight it seemed

like it came of easiery once my levels were corrected... They are

telling me my TSH is looking hyper... I sure don't feel or look

hyper!!! 70 lbs. overweight right now...

Any advice is appreciated...

Pamela

[Guest guest]

Hi: I have low thyroid and always weighted 115. Now I am ashamed to say I

weigh 173. Im upset and I have tried everything. I even gave up bread ,

spaghetti and rice for 2 weeks. I went on the scales and I have lost nothing.

I am very upset over this weight thing. I need help. I am taking synthyroid

125 mgs. The endro had me on a natural thyroid and I was very puffy for 3

years. Then I told him I had enough of this puffiness and he put me then on

synthyroid. Ive been on it now for 5 months. No help either. H E L P anyone

have a secret.

<res075oh@...> wrote: Many years ago I was put on a diet

for a medical condition [not to lose

weight]. It was simple: No sugar, no bread, no fried food. I lost

quite a bit of weight without even noticing it. And that seemed strange

at the time, because of how I pigged out on everything else.

If you want to know how your body processes different foods then I

suggest you read two books. One is THE SOUTH BEACH DIET [by Dr. Arthur

Agatston] and the other is THE ZONE [by Dr. Barry Sears]. I don't

necessarily recommend the diets, but I believe the info in these is

pretty well researched.

Luck,

8a.

Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

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ryn564 <ryn564>

Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:20 am (PST)

I just stopped eating bread and Soy. It took about one week but I

felt better and lost 10lbs. In one month I have lost almost all the

weight that I gained. Over 20 lbs.With the weight loss, I got more

energy. Dauphine999

[Guest guest]

Look into liver cleansing....this is powerful stuff. Also, this will help you

lose weight and keep it off...but the real secret is gettting into balance, and

this includes proper sleep, exercise, hot/cold hydrotherapy, detoxing the colon,

liver, kidneys, blood, lymph, lungs...etc. I really like Dr. Schulze, as his

approach is right on. There is a lot of JUNK out there making claims...I am

still sorting through the maze...but as far as I can tell, it is a WHOLISTIC

approach that will help...and it takes time. Don't give up...Our Father in

Heaven is the key!

Blessings!

Sandy Carroll <sunshineinindiana1@...> wrote: Hi: I have low

thyroid and always weighted 115. Now I am ashamed to say I weigh 173. Im upset

and I have tried everything. I even gave up bread , spaghetti and rice for 2

weeks. I went on the scales and I have lost nothing. I am very upset over this

weight thing. I need help. I am taking synthyroid 125 mgs. The endro had me on a

natural thyroid and I was very puffy for 3 years. Then I told him I had enough

of this puffiness and he put me then on synthyroid. Ive been on it now for 5

months. No help either. H E L P anyone have a secret.

<res075oh@...> wrote: Many years ago I was put on a diet for a

medical condition [not to lose

weight]. It was simple: No sugar, no bread, no fried food. I lost

quite a bit of weight without even noticing it. And that seemed strange

at the time, because of how I pigged out on everything else.

If you want to know how your body processes different foods then I

suggest you read two books. One is THE SOUTH BEACH DIET [by Dr. Arthur

Agatston] and the other is THE ZONE [by Dr. Barry Sears]. I don't

necessarily recommend the diets, but I believe the info in these is

pretty well researched.

Luck,

8a.

Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

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ryn564 <ryn564>

Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:20 am (PST)

I just stopped eating bread and Soy. It took about one week but I

felt better and lost 10lbs. In one month I have lost almost all the

weight that I gained. Over 20 lbs.With the weight loss, I got more

energy. Dauphine999

[Guest guest]

here's the secret:

you must get MORE medicine. your doc has you on too low a dose, ESPECIALLY

" natural thyroid " like Armour cannot be treated to TSH. Educate yourself so

you can get proper treatment.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

gracia

Hi: I have low thyroid and always weighted 115. Now I am ashamed to say I

weigh 173. Im upset and I have tried everything. I even gave up bread ,

spaghetti and rice for 2 weeks. I went on the scales and I have lost nothing. I

am very upset over this weight thing. I need help. I am taking synthyroid 125

mgs. The endro had me on a natural thyroid and I was very puffy for 3 years.

Then I told him I had enough of this puffiness and he put me then on synthyroid.

Ive been on it now for 5 months. No help either. H E L P anyone have a secret.

<res075oh@...> wrote: Many years ago I was put on a diet for a

medical condition [not to lose

weight]. It was simple: No sugar, no bread, no fried food. I lost

quite a bit of weight without even noticing it. And that seemed strange

at the time, because of how I pigged out on everything else.

If you want to know how your body processes different foods then I

suggest you read two books. One is THE SOUTH BEACH DIET [by Dr. Arthur

Agatston] and the other is THE ZONE [by Dr. Barry Sears]. I don't

necessarily recommend the diets, but I believe the info in these is

pretty well researched.

Luck,

8a.

Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

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ryn564 <ryn564>

Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:20 am (PST)

I just stopped eating bread and Soy. It took about one week but I

felt better and lost 10lbs. In one month I have lost almost all the

weight that I gained. Over 20 lbs.With the weight loss, I got more

energy. Dauphine999

[Guest guest]

Hi Gracia,

You wrote:

" your doc has you on too low a dose, ESPECIALLY " natural thyroid " like Armour

cannot be treated to TSH. "

I think you answered this before, but with my " brain fog " acting up sometimes,

what does this mean that " natural thyroid " cannot be treated to TSH? Do you

just dose on how you feel?

Thanks!!

[Guest guest]

I think a lot of our weight problems are genetic. If my wife ate what I

eat she would weigh tons. And then when your hormones get messed up all

bets are off IMHO.

Life ain't fair...

3a.

Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

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sunshineinindiana1

<sunshineinindiana1>

Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:03 pm (PST)

Hi: I have low thyroid and always weighted 115. Now I am ashamed to

say I weigh 173. Im upset and I have tried everything. I even gave

up bread , spaghetti and rice for 2 weeks. I went on the scales and

I have lost nothing. I am very upset over this weight thing. I need

help. I am taking synthyroid 125 mgs. The endro had me on a natural

thyroid and I was very puffy for 3 years. Then I told him I had

enough of this puffiness and he put me then on synthyroid. Ive been

on it now for 5 months. No help either. H E L P anyone have a secret.

<res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

Many years ago I was put on a diet for a medical condition [not to lose

weight]. It was simple: No sugar, no bread, no fried food. I lost

quite a bit of weight without even noticing it. And that seemed strange

at the time, because of how I pigged out on everything else.

If you want to know how your body processes different foods then I

suggest you read two books. One is THE SOUTH BEACH DIET [by Dr. Arthur

Agatston] and the other is THE ZONE [by Dr. Barry Sears]. I don't

necessarily recommend the diets, but I believe the info in these is

pretty well researched.

Luck,

[Guest guest]

yes, you take enough to feel well, typically 180-300mg. Docs who are only

used to T4 meds do a TSH test, and even if it is up to 5 they won't increase

meds!!!!! IMO they simply don't know what they are doing. Why would docs

leave patients on the same dose of meds when they have hypo symptoms??? I am

embarrassed for them, as I say often this isn't rocket science. Peeps on

Armour will have TSH of .06 or something like that. Far better to treat the

patient than a piece of paper, far better to test the frees than TSH.

Gracia

Hi Gracia,

You wrote:

" your doc has you on too low a dose, ESPECIALLY " natural thyroid " like Armour

cannot be treated to TSH. "

I think you answered this before, but with my " brain fog " acting up sometimes,

what does this mean that " natural thyroid " cannot be treated to TSH? Do you just

dose on how you feel?

Thanks!!

[Guest guest]

Gracia... regarding your post below... so is their a better range to follow with

your frees???

I am 70 lbs. overweight... dry skin, hair falling out, blah blah... the

usual... but I had to argue w/my doc to get her to up my Armour...

Started me out on 120 mg. a few mo. ago...

now I take 30 more in the afternoon...

How long does it usually take to see a result as I am new to armour. I also

have Adrenal Disorder, but am treating that as well...

Thank you,

Pamela

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

yes, you take enough to feel well, typically 180-300mg. Docs who are only used

to T4 meds do a TSH test, and even if it is up to 5 they won't increase

meds!!!!! IMO they simply don't know what they are doing. Why would docs leave

patients on the same dose of meds when they have hypo symptoms??? I am

embarrassed for them, as I say often this isn't rocket science. Peeps on Armour

will have TSH of .06 or something like that. Far better to treat the patient

than a piece of paper, far better to test the frees than TSH.

Gracia

Hi Gracia,

You wrote:

" your doc has you on too low a dose, ESPECIALLY " natural thyroid " like Armour

cannot be treated to TSH. "

I think you answered this before, but with my " brain fog " acting up sometimes,

what does this mean that " natural thyroid " cannot be treated to TSH? Do you just

dose on how you feel?

Thanks!!

[Guest guest]

you are on 150mg Armour plus cytomel? I think you should aim for 180-300mg

Armour, no cytomel and adrenal meds like cortef and DHEA. That should do

something. Really shouldn't have to argue with doc to treat your symptoms.

Cortef and DHEA will help to get T3 into tissues.

Gracia

Gracia... regarding your post below... so is their a better range to follow

with your frees???

I am 70 lbs. overweight... dry skin, hair falling out, blah blah... the

usual... but I had to argue w/my doc to get her to up my Armour...

Started me out on 120 mg. a few mo. ago...

now I take 30 more in the afternoon...

How long does it usually take to see a result as I am new to armour. I also

have Adrenal Disorder, but am treating that as well...

Thank you,

Pamela

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

yes, you take enough to feel well, typically 180-300mg. Docs who are only used

to T4 meds do a TSH test, and even if it is up to 5 they won't increase

meds!!!!! IMO they simply don't know what they are doing. Why would docs leave

patients on the same dose of meds when they have hypo symptoms??? I am

embarrassed for them, as I say often this isn't rocket science. Peeps on Armour

will have TSH of .06 or something like that. Far better to treat the patient

than a piece of paper, far better to test the frees than TSH.

Gracia

Hi Gracia,

You wrote:

" your doc has you on too low a dose, ESPECIALLY " natural thyroid " like Armour

cannot be treated to TSH. "

I think you answered this before, but with my " brain fog " acting up sometimes,

what does this mean that " natural thyroid " cannot be treated to TSH? Do you just

dose on how you feel?

Thanks!!

[Guest guest]

oh horse puckey

all the people in France have the same genes? Wherever I have traveled in

the world, the poeple all look the same size, except in America. Is not being

breast fed, growing up on count chocula, artificial fats, sodas etc genetic?

Our health is for sale in America.

Gracia

I think a lot of our weight problems are genetic. If my wife ate what I

eat she would weigh tons. And then when your hormones get messed up all

bets are off IMHO.

Life ain't fair...

3a.

Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

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sunshineinindiana1

<sunshineinindiana1>

Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:03 pm (PST)

Hi: I have low thyroid and always weighted 115. Now I am ashamed to

say I weigh 173. Im upset and I have tried everything. I even gave

up bread , spaghetti and rice for 2 weeks. I went on the scales and

I have lost nothing. I am very upset over this weight thing. I need

help. I am taking synthyroid 125 mgs. The endro had me on a natural

thyroid and I was very puffy for 3 years. Then I told him I had

enough of this puffiness and he put me then on synthyroid. Ive been

on it now for 5 months. No help either. H E L P anyone have a secret.

<res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

Many years ago I was put on a diet for a medical condition [not to lose

weight]. It was simple: No sugar, no bread, no fried food. I lost

quite a bit of weight without even noticing it. And that seemed strange

at the time, because of how I pigged out on everything else.

If you want to know how your body processes different foods then I

suggest you read two books. One is THE SOUTH BEACH DIET [by Dr. Arthur

Agatston] and the other is THE ZONE [by Dr. Barry Sears]. I don't

necessarily recommend the diets, but I believe the info in these is

pretty well researched.

Luck,

[Guest guest]

Thanks Gracia! That is good to know. How long does it typically take once you

up your dose to start to notice if you feel better?

Thanks!

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

yes, you take enough to feel well, typically 180-300mg. Docs who are only used

to T4 meds do a TSH test, and even if it is up to 5 they won't increase

meds!!!!! IMO they simply don't know what they are doing. Why would docs leave

patients on the same dose of meds when they have hypo symptoms??? I am

embarrassed for them, as I say often this isn't rocket science. Peeps on Armour

will have TSH of .06 or something like that. Far better to treat the patient

than a piece of paper, far better to test the frees than TSH.

Gracia

Hi Gracia,

You wrote:

" your doc has you on too low a dose, ESPECIALLY " natural thyroid " like Armour

cannot be treated to TSH. "

I think you answered this before, but with my " brain fog " acting up sometimes,

what does this mean that " natural thyroid " cannot be treated to TSH? Do you just

dose on how you feel?

Thanks!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Sandy,

Everything you wrote, I have been going through for 9 years. I just got

switched over to a holistic doctor who would consider getting me off

Synthroid.....most and I mean most doctor won't even consider the thought. I

took a

Salava test about three months ago and it showed also that my adrenals were

bad.

Please take the thyroid and adrenals into account as I have and will be

hopefully able to feel better and lose weight. My prescription is made just for

me and I am not one to experiment on myself from other peoples suggestions as

we are all different.

Find a holistic doctor and find a new life.......

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Sandy,

I don't have any secrets to weight loss, I just want you to know that you're

not alone. I, also, was always fairly thin. I was in the Marine Corps, so

I exercised daily and weighed a very fit 120 lbs. I am now a flabby (no

muscle tone) 150 lbs, and I'm also only 5'3 " . I've tried almost every diet

out there, but can't seem to lose the weight. No carb diet, low carb diet,

low fat diet, the caveman diet (if it wasn't around when cavemen existed, I

didn't eat it), and I wasted money on almost every miracle cure diet pill.

On top of that, I exercise daily - running and lifting weights. I still

can't lose weight. And to make matters worse, it seems as if I can't run

like I used to. I get muscle fatigue and muscle cramps now at the end of a

mile. I used to run three miles with no problem. I also can't seem to

catch my breath when running anymore. It's very frustrating.

I've tossed around the idea of Alvidar, which someone else of the list is

using. But for now, I'm going to try some other advice I read on the list.

I'm going to go talk to a different doctor about switching to Armour (which

will hopefully alleviate some of the nagging symptoms I have). I've also

ordered Iodoral and Isocort. I ordered them mostly to try to alleviate some

of the symptoms (sore muscles, painful and swollen joints, mild depression,

mild PMS, etc. - all of which were MAJOR before I started on Synthroid) If

I have any luck with them, or if I lose any weight on them, I'll definitely

let you know.

And, as far as it being a genetic problem, well, my Mom has thyroid issues

too. And she's overweight too - 5'4 " at 165 lb. I don't really know if

weight is a genetic thing or not, but I definitely believe your metabolism

and/or thyroid is. My sister is 5'0 " and weighs 95 lbs. My Grandmother was

4'11 " and weighed 87 lbs - a tiny woman. Maybe if my thyroid was still

working, I'd be thin like them.

Edie

[Guest guest]

Fact is my diet is atrocious, probably the worst of anyone on this list

and I weigh 175-180 lbs [male, 5'-11 " ]. I just do not efficiently

convert food to flesh. My wife is very knowledgable about a healthy

diet [calories, fat grams, and so on] but I don't pay any attention to

that. She is often aghast at what I eat and how much, but she can't

deny that she has to struggle to maintain the weight she wants while for

me it is a breeze. I get a bag of chocolate covered peanuts and she

eats one small piece; I'll eat half the [pound] bag. When we eat ice

cream she will get half a cup of sugar free while I will get a heaping

soup bowl of triple chocolate. I don't drink a glass of water per week;

sometimes in a month. I eat all the junk food you say makes Americans

fat and my weight stays 175-185. I am 65 years of living proof that at

least in some cases what you say is horse.., er, invalid.

I'm convinced that it's my metabolism, which I believe tends to be

genetic. Like I said, life ain't fair.

But if it _is_ horse puckey it has plenty of company on this list.

1f.

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graciabee <graciabee>

Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:10 pm (PST)

oh horse puckey

all the people in France have the same genes? Wherever I have

traveled in the world, the poeple all look the same size, except in

America. Is not being breast fed, growing up on count chocula,

artificial fats, sodas etc genetic? Our health is for sale in America.

Gracia

I think a lot of our weight problems are genetic. If my wife ate what I

eat she would weigh tons. And then when your hormones get messed up all

bets are off IMHO.

Life ain't fair...

[Guest guest]

The problem with your world view is that I have all the bad food habits

you say should make me weigh hundreds of pounds and I don't.

I happen to agree with you that in a vast number of cases a person's

excess weight is the result of poor eating habits. But I have all those

poor eating habits and am of a reasonable weight, so I am proof of at

least one exception. And I know of others.

There have been many people post to this list who assert in what seems

to me an honest manner that their eating habits are at least 1000%

better than mine, yet they gain [or cannot lose] weight. I believe

thyroid problems can be a major contributor to weight gain or difficult

weight control. I believe you make a huge mistake if you assert that

every heavy person is just a fat dumb pig who hasn't sense enough to eat

right. I am convinced that at least some people eat sanely but still

fight a losing battle of the bulge; and I believe at least some of those

cases are from a genetically driven metabolism.

1g.

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massageme429 <massageme429>

Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:15 pm (PST)

Couldn't agree with you more Gracia! Genetic is often a nicer word

for " same bad habits as my parents and their parents and their

parents, and so on and so on ...... "

Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net>> wrote:

oh horse puckey

all the people in France have the same genes? Wherever I have

traveled in the world, the poeple all look the same size, except in

America. Is not being breast fed, growing up on count chocula,

artificial fats, sodas etc genetic? Our health is for sale in America.

Gracia

I think a lot of our weight problems are genetic. If my wife ate what I

eat she would weigh tons. And then when your hormones get messed up all

bets are off IMHO.

Life ain't fair...

[Guest guest]

you come from a time when ppl mostly ate real food, probly you were

breast fed. I don't think overweight ppl are fat pigs, I think they have major

metabolic probs that can't be cured by diets but I don't think it's " encoded in

the genes " . Epidemics are just not genetic in origin.

gracia

The problem with your world view is that I have all the bad food habits

you say should make me weigh hundreds of pounds and I don't.

I happen to agree with you that in a vast number of cases a person's

excess weight is the result of poor eating habits. But I have all those

poor eating habits and am of a reasonable weight, so I am proof of at

least one exception. And I know of others.

There have been many people post to this list who assert in what seems

to me an honest manner that their eating habits are at least 1000%

better than mine, yet they gain [or cannot lose] weight. I believe

thyroid problems can be a major contributor to weight gain or difficult

weight control. I believe you make a huge mistake if you assert that

every heavy person is just a fat dumb pig who hasn't sense enough to eat

right. I am convinced that at least some people eat sanely but still

fight a losing battle of the bulge; and I believe at least some of those

cases are from a genetically driven metabolism.

1g.

Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

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massageme429 <massageme429>

Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:15 pm (PST)

Couldn't agree with you more Gracia! Genetic is often a nicer word

for " same bad habits as my parents and their parents and their

parents, and so on and so on ...... "

Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net>> wrote:

oh horse puckey

all the people in France have the same genes? Wherever I have

traveled in the world, the poeple all look the same size, except in

America. Is not being breast fed, growing up on count chocula,

artificial fats, sodas etc genetic? Our health is for sale in America.

Gracia

I think a lot of our weight problems are genetic. If my wife ate what I

eat she would weigh tons. And then when your hormones get messed up all

bets are off IMHO.

Life ain't fair...

[Guest guest]

Edie, I happen to believe you're telling the simple truth, because I've

seen too many examples where the world view of the " horse puckey " types

just don't fit. I'm really sorry to say I don't have any good advice

for you other than to hang in there and don't give up. Keep learning

all you can, but be sure to take whatever I or anyone else on the web

tells you with a healthy dose of skepticism. While I freely admit I

have no accredited medical expertise not everyone will do so; especially

those trying to sell you something. And if I ever tell you something

and Chuck disputes it, believe Chuck! [ggg]

I am often chagrined and embarrassed by how easy I have some things

while some on this list [and elsewhere] have such a struggle with them.

Luck,

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edithcress <edithcress>

Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:10 am (PST)

Sandy,

I don't have any secrets to weight loss, I just want you to know

that you're

not alone. I, also, was always fairly thin. I was in the Marine

Corps, so

I exercised daily and weighed a very fit 120 lbs. I am now a flabby (no

muscle tone) 150 lbs, and I'm also only 5'3 " . I've tried almost

every diet

out there, but can't seem to lose the weight. No carb diet, low carb

diet,

low fat diet, the caveman diet (if it wasn't around when cavemen

existed, I

didn't eat it), and I wasted money on almost every miracle cure diet

pill.

On top of that, I exercise daily - running and lifting weights. I still

can't lose weight. And to make matters worse, it seems as if I can't run

like I used to. I get muscle fatigue and muscle cramps now at the

end of a

mile. I used to run three miles with no problem. I also can't seem to

catch my breath when running anymore. It's very frustrating.

I've tossed around the idea of Alvidar, which someone else of the

list is

using. But for now, I'm going to try some other advice I read on the

list.

I'm going to go talk to a different doctor about switching to Armour

(which

will hopefully alleviate some of the nagging symptoms I have). I've also

ordered Iodoral and Isocort. I ordered them mostly to try to

alleviate some

of the symptoms (sore muscles, painful and swollen joints, mild

depression,

mild PMS, etc. - all of which were MAJOR before I started on

Synthroid) If

I have any luck with them, or if I lose any weight on them, I'll

definitely

let you know.

And, as far as it being a genetic problem, well, my Mom has thyroid

issues

too. And she's overweight too - 5'4 " at 165 lb. I don't really know if

weight is a genetic thing or not, but I definitely believe your

metabolism

and/or thyroid is. My sister is 5'0 " and weighs 95 lbs. My

Grandmother was

4'11 " and weighed 87 lbs - a tiny woman. Maybe if my thyroid was still

working, I'd be thin like them.

Edie

[Guest guest]

this is a prob b/c I find that most diet information is completely erroneous.

IMO you eat much better than your wife! Low cal/low fat is a recipe for

misery. See Schwarzbein Principle.

gracia

Fact is my diet is atrocious, probably the worst of anyone on this list

and I weigh 175-180 lbs [male, 5'-11 " ]. I just do not efficiently

convert food to flesh. My wife is very knowledgable about a healthy

diet [calories, fat grams, and so on] but I don't pay any attention to

that. She is often aghast at what I eat and how much, but she can't

deny that she has to struggle to maintain the weight she wants while for

me it is a breeze. I get a bag of chocolate covered peanuts and she

eats one small piece; I'll eat half the [pound] bag. When we eat ice

cream she will get half a cup of sugar free while I will get a heaping

soup bowl of triple chocolate. I don't drink a glass of water per week;

sometimes in a month. I eat all the junk food you say makes Americans

fat and my weight stays 175-185. I am 65 years of living proof that at

least in some cases what you say is horse.., er, invalid.

I'm convinced that it's my metabolism, which I believe tends to be

genetic. Like I said, life ain't fair.

But if it _is_ horse puckey it has plenty of company on this list.

1f.

Re: weight loss solutions anyone??? ENERGY??

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graciabee <graciabee>

Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:10 pm (PST)

oh horse puckey

all the people in France have the same genes? Wherever I have

traveled in the world, the poeple all look the same size, except in

America. Is not being breast fed, growing up on count chocula,

artificial fats, sodas etc genetic? Our health is for sale in America.

Gracia

I think a lot of our weight problems are genetic. If my wife ate what I

eat she would weigh tons. And then when your hormones get messed up all

bets are off IMHO.

Life ain't fair...

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> ... And if I ever tell you something

> and Chuck disputes it, believe Chuck! [ggg]

I dispute that.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I agree with you that a lot of us have major metabolic problems that are

unlikely to be cured by diets, but I disagree with you if you state

there are no genetic links to metabolism. In the sense of your

statement, yes, epidemics are not genetic in origin. But that is

irrelevant, because our major metabolic problems do not fit the

classical definition of epidemic.

We grew up in a sense on " real food " . Beans and corn bread, plus meat

when we had it. I don't know that my mom had a written recipe her

entire life, but if she did the first thing in everything she cooked

would have said: " Start with two tablespoons of lard. " And for her a

tablespoon meant all she could get on a tablespoon, which was about a

cup full.

Squirrel hunting augmented our diet. Did you know that when you shoot a

squirrel with a shotgun you can never get all the lead pellets out? I

wonder how many I swallowed growing up.

We grew up in a level of poverty that most people of today in the USA do

not even know exists. And I hope it doesn't anymore. The store bought

staples we use were lard, flour, and sugar. And we didn't buy lard for

a long time after hog killing. I can remember going for months without

meat on the table, and you may rest assured we were not [willful]

vegetarians. As a matter of fact we never heard that word while growing

up. I never lived in a house with inside plumbing until I grew up and

left home. I was probably a teenager before we had electricity.

I agree with you that a lot of us have major metabolic problems that are

unlikely to be cured by diets, but I disagree with you if you state

there are no genetic links to metabolism. In the sense of your

statement, yes, epidemics are not genetic in origin. But that is

irrelevant, because our major metabolic problems do not fit the

classical definition of epidemic.

Like I said, life ain't fair.

But you play the cards you're dealt.

2c.

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graciabee <graciabee>

Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:43 am (PST)

you come from a time when ppl mostly ate real food, probly you

were breast fed. I don't think overweight ppl are fat pigs, I think

they have major metabolic probs that can't be cured by diets but I

don't think it's " encoded in the genes " . Epidemics are just not

genetic in origin.

gracia

The problem with your world view is that I have all the bad food habits

you say should make me weigh hundreds of pounds and I don't.

I happen to agree with you that in a vast number of cases a person's

excess weight is the result of poor eating habits. But I have all those

poor eating habits and am of a reasonable weight, so I am proof of at

least one exception. And I know of others.

There have been many people post to this list who assert in what seems

to me an honest manner that their eating habits are at least 1000%

better than mine, yet they gain [or cannot lose] weight. I believe

thyroid problems can be a major contributor to weight gain or difficult

weight control. I believe you make a huge mistake if you assert that

every heavy person is just a fat dumb pig who hasn't sense enough to

eat

right. I am convinced that at least some people eat sanely but still

fight a losing battle of the bulge; and I believe at least some of

those

cases are from a genetically driven metabolism.