Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 I guess if you find communism preferable to capitalism it's not too surprising that M. is your hero. The question remains: Why are you here and not there? PS: There ain't no free lunch. Or health care... > > Re: Doctors' bills > <hypothyroidism/message/36321;_ylc=X3oDMTJxN3Rpcm9\ 0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzYzMjEEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjAzNTg3NA--> > > > > Posted by: " Silver " susanjsilver@... > <mailto:susanjsilver@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Doctors%27%20bills> > susanjsilver <susanjsilver> > > > Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:16 am (PST) > > > I can't speak for Mexico, but I lived in Cuba for two > years and had first-hand experience of their medical > system. Nowhere else (and I've spent time in over a > dozen countries) have I found more accessible, > professional, approachable doctors, who were actually > friendly and explained everything. The arrogance and > attitudes that run rampant among doctors in the states > was completely absent in my experience with Cuban > doctors. Every few blocks had a doctor on call who > made house calls in the middle of the night and, of > course, it all was free. Chuck is right, our current > situation follows the logic of our economic system, > which makes one wonder if our economic system really > is the best one out there... > > > > --- Roni Molin <matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam%40>> wrote: > > > Great idea . I wonder how much financial aid we > > would get as soon as we get there. I > > wonder if we'll be able to drive, even if we can't > > read the road signs. I wonder how good the free > > medical care will be, and I wonder how much we will > > like our free or subsidized housing. > > I'm sure all the children will love their free > > educations too. > > > > Roni > > > > <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote: > > Once I find that someone's preferred modis > > operandi is to lie and spin > > and then lie and spin some more I have no interest > > in what he says. > > Anything by M. is on my list of " do not > > bother " . > > > > I guess if things get bad enough we can all swim > > across the Rio Grande > > and become illegal immigrants in Mexico! [ggg] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Dictators do not normally give up the job as chief honcho following a free and fair election. > > Re: Doctors' bills > <hypothyroidism/message/36322;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMjdxZnA\ wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzYzMjIEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjAzNTg3NA--> > > > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Doctors%27%20bills> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:44 am (PST) > > I was not referring to Cuba. I have never been there, but I know > before the trouble between the two countries thousands of Americans > used to vacation there and loved it. Once the current dictators in > both countries are gone there will be an opportunity for the countries > to become friends again. > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 If you aren't on Fidel's payroll you should be. Your propaganda is typical of such. > > Re: Doctors' bills > <hypothyroidism/message/36325;_ylc=X3oDMTJxOWNkdDQ\ wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzYzMjUEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjAzNTg3NA--> > > > > Posted by: " Silver " susanjsilver@... > <mailto:susanjsilver@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Doctors%27%20bills> > susanjsilver <susanjsilver> > > > Sat Feb 2, 2008 1:50 pm (PST) > > > Nothing at all. Except that the U.S. has never been > " friendly " to Cuba (or any Latin American country) > ever, even before any revolutions. But the history of > the relationship between Latin America to the U.S. is > probably too far off the topic of hypothyroidism to > continue here. I've devoted much of my life to this > topic, and so it just upsets me when I hear blanket > statements about Fidel. Perhaps you didn't mean to > group him with Bush - I apologize if I misunderstood. > > You ask an important question that has a complicated > answer, but the main reason by far that Cubans leave > Cuba is that the economic blockade imposed by the U.S. > (and denounced internationally according to UN votes) > to deprive Cuban citizens of medicine, medical > supplies, and food, along with much else, has made > life extremely difficult for people to live there. > Cuba, is not rich in a variety of natural resources, > and needs to trade to survive. Our laws blocking that > are strangling people there. But, again, a very > complicated issue, and not very appropriate for this > list. Sorry everyone. I'll stop now. > > > > --- Roni Molin <matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam%40>> wrote: > > > Nowhere was I comparing the deeds of the two. I > > don't know anything first hand about Fidel, of > > course, but if he is such a benevelent leader, why > > have so many thousands of Cubans fled that country > > and come here to the U.S.? I was only putting forth > > the hope that someday Cuba and the United States > > could be friends again. To what do you object in > > that? > > > > Roni > > > > Silver <susanjsilver@... > <mailto:susanjsilver%40>> wrote: > > Roni, > > > > I don't know if one can equate Bush with Fidel. > > Please > > don't believe the propaganda the U.S. media > > perpetrates. The only way to really see how much > > Fidel > > is beloved in Cuba is to go see for yourself - which > > is exactly why the U.S. has made it illegal for us > > to > > see for ourselves. Fidel, for all the controversy, > > has > > served Cubans well, especially in the all-important > > areas of healthcare, education, and poverty. Bush, > > on > > the other hand, is responsible for the the deaths of > > thousands upon thousands of innocent people in Iraq > > - > > the list of his atrocities both home and abroad > > would > > take hundreds of emails. No comparison at all. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 True, but some die and some can't stay because of term limits. Yay! Roni <res075oh@...> wrote: Dictators do not normally give up the job as chief honcho following a free and fair election. > > Re: Doctors' bills > <hypothyroidism/message/36322;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMjdxZnA\ wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzYzMjIEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjAzNTg3NA--> > > > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Doctors%27%20bills> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:44 am (PST) > > I was not referring to Cuba. I have never been there, but I know > before the trouble between the two countries thousands of Americans > used to vacation there and loved it. Once the current dictators in > both countries are gone there will be an opportunity for the countries > to become friends again. > > Roni --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 , My two years of research in Cuba was funded by academic scholarship. The brief summary I posted was the accumulation of over thirty interviews, both with Cubans and Cuban Americans who had left Cuba. My manuscript has just been accepted for publication, and will be available in about a year's time. You can call my findings propaganda, or whatever else you want to, but you are only hurting yourself by maintaining an attitude that prevents you from incorporating new information into your preconceived notions. Honestly, I don't know why I'm wasting my time trying to share information with people who resort to name-calling and slanderous accusations. I certainly have better things to do with my time. So, regardless of future posts trying to bait me or insult me, this will really be my last non-hypothyroidism post on this list. --- <res075oh@...> wrote: > If you aren't on Fidel's payroll you should be. > Your propaganda is > typical of such. > > > > > > > Re: Doctors' bills > > > <hypothyroidism/message/36325;_ylc=X3oDMTJxOWNkdDQ\ wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzYzMjUEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjAzNTg3NA--> > > > > > > > > Posted by: " Silver " > susanjsilver@... > > > <mailto:susanjsilver@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Doctors%27%20bills> > > susanjsilver > <susanjsilver> > > > > > > Sat Feb 2, 2008 1:50 pm (PST) > > > > > > Nothing at all. Except that the U.S. has never > been > > " friendly " to Cuba (or any Latin American country) > > ever, even before any revolutions. But the history > of > > the relationship between Latin America to the U.S. > is > > probably too far off the topic of hypothyroidism > to > > continue here. I've devoted much of my life to > this > > topic, and so it just upsets me when I hear > blanket > > statements about Fidel. Perhaps you didn't mean to > > group him with Bush - I apologize if I > misunderstood. > > > > You ask an important question that has a > complicated > > answer, but the main reason by far that Cubans > leave > > Cuba is that the economic blockade imposed by the > U.S. > > (and denounced internationally according to UN > votes) > > to deprive Cuban citizens of medicine, medical > > supplies, and food, along with much else, has made > > life extremely difficult for people to live there. > > Cuba, is not rich in a variety of natural > resources, > > and needs to trade to survive. Our laws blocking > that > > are strangling people there. But, again, a very > > complicated issue, and not very appropriate for > this > > list. Sorry everyone. I'll stop now. > > > > > > > > --- Roni Molin <matchermaam@... > > <mailto:matchermaam%40>> wrote: > > > > > Nowhere was I comparing the deeds of the two. I > > > don't know anything first hand about Fidel, of > > > course, but if he is such a benevelent leader, > why > > > have so many thousands of Cubans fled that > country > > > and come here to the U.S.? I was only putting > forth > > > the hope that someday Cuba and the United States > > > could be friends again. To what do you object in > > > that? > > > > > > Roni > > > > > > Silver <susanjsilver@... > > <mailto:susanjsilver%40>> wrote: > > > Roni, > > > > > > I don't know if one can equate Bush with Fidel. > > > Please > > > don't believe the propaganda the U.S. media > > > perpetrates. The only way to really see how much > > > Fidel > > > is beloved in Cuba is to go see for yourself - > which > > > is exactly why the U.S. has made it illegal for > us > > > to > > > see for ourselves. Fidel, for all the > controversy, > > > has > > > served Cubans well, especially in the > all-important > > > areas of healthcare, education, and poverty. > Bush, > > > on > > > the other hand, is responsible for the the > deaths of > > > thousands upon thousands of innocent people in > Iraq > > > - > > > the list of his atrocities both home and abroad > > > would > > > take hundreds of emails. No comparison at all. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 me too! Viva Viva! Gracia This is off topic, but I am convinced that in the future will heralded as one of the few influential people that are dedicated to finding the truth in this current system of our leaders and media who do lie and spin and lie and spin. Personally, he's one of my heroes. Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Latest product news Join Mod. Central stay connected. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 FWIW I totally agree with you. the mentality can be very frustrating. Gracia , My two years of research in Cuba was funded by academic scholarship. The brief summary I posted was the accumulation of over thirty interviews, both with Cubans and Cuban Americans who had left Cuba. My manuscript has just been accepted for publication, and will be available in about a year's time. You can call my findings propaganda, or whatever else you want to, but you are only hurting yourself by maintaining an attitude that prevents you from incorporating new information into your preconceived notions. Honestly, I don't know why I'm wasting my time trying to share information with people who resort to name-calling and slanderous accusations. I certainly have better things to do with my time. So, regardless of future posts trying to bait me or insult me, this will really be my last non-hypothyroidism post on this list. --- Recent Activity a.. 15New Members Visit Your Group Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Sitebuilder Build a web site quickly & easily with Sitebuilder. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Great! I don't know why you bother to post communist propaganda on such a list anyway. As for your thirty interviews, there are thirty million pages of documents that say your position is a POS. I'm afraid I won't see it; as I seldom read Pravda... > Re: Doctors' bills > <hypothyroidism/message/36355;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdDI3dmV\ kBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzYzNTUEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjEwMzg0Mw--> > > > > Posted by: " Silver " susanjsilver@... > <mailto:susanjsilver@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Doctors%27%20bills> > susanjsilver <susanjsilver> > > > Sun Feb 3, 2008 6:22 pm (PST) > > > , > > My two years of research in Cuba was funded by > academic scholarship. The brief summary I posted was > the accumulation of over thirty interviews, both with > Cubans and Cuban Americans who had left Cuba. My > manuscript has just been accepted for publication, and > will be available in about a year's time. > > You can call my findings propaganda, or whatever else > you want to, but you are only hurting yourself by > maintaining an attitude that prevents you from > incorporating new information into your preconceived > notions. > > Honestly, I don't know why I'm wasting my time trying > to share information with people who resort to > name-calling and slanderous accusations. I certainly > have better things to do with my time. So, regardless > of future posts trying to bait me or insult me, this > will really be my last non-hypothyroidism post on this > list. > > > > --- <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote: > > > If you aren't on Fidel's payroll you should be. > > Your propaganda is > > typical of such. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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