Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 I could never split the dose. I find that cortef keeps me going throughout the day, after I have taken 240mg Armour. Other hormones help a lot too. Gracia I just found this article by Dr. Mercola, and it really surprised me as to the way he suggests dosing and why. Roni Armour Thyroid How To Monitor Your Treatment With Natural Hormone Therapy Should You Use Synthetic Hormones? The traditional approach is to use synthetic hormones like Synthroid/ Levoxyl/Levothroid (levothyroxine). These products only contain T4 hormone, they have no T3. When a patient attempts to ask their physician for the natural hormone they are usually ridiculed and made to feel stupid that they would request an inferior hormone product. The common argument the physicians give is that the synthetic provides steady hormone levels. What the doctors tend to overlook is that the vast majority of people can not convert the T4 to the active form of thyroid which is T3. This is easy to cofirm by measuring the free hormone levels, but virtually none of the doctors use these tests. Armour Thyroid--The Natural Alternative When one has low T3 levels, which are typical with synthetic hormone use, the brain does not work properly. It is important to use a preparation with T3 because T3 does 90% of the work of the thyroid in the body. So one should use a combination of T4 and T3 which compensates for the inability to convert T4 to T3. Armour thyroid is desiccated thyroid and has both T3 and T4. A 1999 study published in one of the most prestigious medical journals in the world, the New England Journal of Medicine, showed that the natural hormone product, such as Armour, was far better at controlling the brain problems commonly found in hypothyroidism. Nearly all natural medicine doctors tend to use Armour thyroid which is a mixture of mono and di-iodothryonine and T3 and T4, the entire range of thyroid hormones. Armour Thyroid Dosing-- TWICE a day. The most common starting dose for patients with hypothyroidism is Armour thyroid, 90 mg which is cut in half with a razor blade and half is taken after breakfast and the other half after dinner. Taking it after meals also helps to reduce volatility of the blood-level of T3. If the patient has any problem breaking or cutting the pill, they should purchase a pill-cutter at the pharmacy. The TSH, Free T3 and Free T4 are then repeated in one month and the dose is adjusted. Taking the Armour thyroid twice a day overcomes traditional medicine's major objection and resistance to using natural thyroid preparations - its variability in its blood-levels. Most doctors using Armour thyroid are not aware that Armour thyroid should be used twice daily and NOT once a day. The major reason is that the T3 component has such a short half life and needs to be taken twice daily to achieve consistent blood levels. Dose Adjustments With Lab Monitoring Once on hormone replacement, the dose should be increased until the TSH falls below 0.4. Then one needs to optimize the 2 thyroid hormones by using the Free T4 and Free T3 levels. The Free T3 and Free T4 are used to monitor the treatment. They should be above the median (middle) but below the upper end of the laboratory normal reference range. The goal for healthy young adults would be to have numbers close to the upper part of the range, and for cardiac and/or elderly patients, the numbers should be in the middle of its range. The Free T3 and Free T4 levels should be checked every month and the hormone therapy readjusted until the FT3 and FT4 levels are in the therapeutic range described. Once a theraputic range is acheived the levels should be checked at least once a year. A small number of large, overweight, thyroid-resistant women may need 6-8 grains of Armour thyroid or the equivalent of thyroxine per day (counting 0.1mg of T4 as 1 grain of Armour Thyroid). For those people who are already on once daily Armour thyroid should split their doses immediately and take half after breakfast and half after dinner. Since the only change will be in the FT3 level, which has a short half-life, the serum FT4 and FT3 levels (and TSH, if indicated) can be measured 48-72 hrs after the splitting of the doses if the patient had been on the hormone for 4-6 weeks before the splitting of the doses. This is because the Free T4 hormone is the one that takes a number of weeks to build up to its steady-state serum-level. Symptoms of Excessive Thyroid Hormone There are frequently only temporary during the adaptation stage. The symptoms may include: palpitations nervousness feeling hot and sweaty rapid weight-loss fine tremor clammy skin What To Do If You Can Not Tolerate Armour Thyroid or Want To Continue Synthetic Hormones My experience is that well over 90% of people do much better on Armour thyroid. However, there are a small number of people who do not tolerate it. This is most frequently done with Armour thyroid. However, Cytomel, which is T3 only, can be used in combination with one of the T4 only synthetic preparations mentioned above. It is important to recognize that T3 should always be prescribed twice daily due to its shorter half life. This is typically after breakfast AND supper for compliance reasons. If you are currently taking Synthroid (thyroxine), your Free T4 level is usually at or above the high end of its normal range and your Free T3 level is usually below. In this situation, one may then add 5-12.5 mcg Cytomel (pure-T3) after breakfast and supper daily, rather than Armour Thyroid or Thyrolar (synthetic T4/T3 combo). Once or twice daily dosing one can then optimize both the T4 and T3 levels, with whatever thyroid preparation is required. This is not possible in most hypothyroid patients with T4 only preparations. People Who Should Not Take Cytomel The only exception to pursue optimization of the T3 level without using Armour thyroid is in severe acute cardio-pulmonary conditions, such as congestive heart failure, when the metabolic slowing effect of a low FT3 level can actually be life-saving. However, the vast majority of hypothyroid patients do not have this problem. --------------------------------------------- ©Copyright 1997-2001 by ph M. Mercola, DO. . --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 I find it interesting that he says to take it AFTER meals and to take it essentially 12 hours apart; after breakfast and after dinner. Armour Thyroid Dosing and Methodology >For those people who are already on once daily Armour thyroid should split their doses immediately and take half after breakfast and half after dinner. Recent Activity a.. 15New Members<hypothyroidism/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMWU2ZX\ V2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdm\ 1icnMEc3RpbWUDMTE5ODUyMTkzMA--> Visit Your Group <hypothyroidism;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdjV0c2ZsBF9TAzk3MzU5N\ zE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdmdocARzdGltZQMxM\ Tk4NTIxOTMw> Cancer Support on Groups<http://us.ard./SIG=12n4f478h/M=493064.12016247.12445656.10478265\ /D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1198529130/A=4617368/R=0/SIG=11uofhk5p/\ *http://advision.webevents./cancersupport/index.html> Connect w/ others find help & share Health Fit for Life<http://us.ard./SIG=12m9gjstq/M=493064.12016303.124456959706571/D=g\ rphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1198529130/A=5008809/R=0/SIG=10q26t77l/*htt\ p://health./> Getting fit is now easier than ever. Healthy Eating on Groups<http://us.ard./SIG=12mac27o4/M=493064.12016231.12445647.9706571/\ D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1198529130/A=4836035/R=0/SIG=11n53k6s3/*\ fruitabuparents/> A place for parents to share their ideas. taking it after meals also helps to reduce the volatility of the blood level of the T3.< . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 I think he's advocating this because it would minimize the sudden load on the heart from the T3. I've been taking it one hour before eating, but after a new Afib attack this morning, I think I am going to try it this way too. I don't say evryone needs this, but it seems some of us do. Roni Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: I find it interesting that he says to take it AFTER meals and to take it essentially 12 hours apart; after breakfast and after dinner. Armour Thyroid Dosing and Methodology >For those people who are already on once daily Armour thyroid should split their doses immediately and take half after breakfast and half after dinner. Recent Activity a.. 15New Members<hypothyroidism/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMWU2ZX\ V2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdm\ 1icnMEc3RpbWUDMTE5ODUyMTkzMA--> Visit Your Group <hypothyroidism;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdjV0c2ZsBF9TAzk3MzU5N\ zE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdmdocARzdGltZQMxM\ Tk4NTIxOTMw> Cancer Support on Groups<http://us.ard./SIG=12n4f478h/M=493064.12016247.12445656.10478265\ /D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1198529130/A=4617368/R=0/SIG=11uofhk5p/\ *http://advision.webevents./cancersupport/index.html> Connect w/ others find help & share Health Fit for Life<http://us.ard./SIG=12m9gjstq/M=493064.12016303.124456959706571/D=g\ rphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1198529130/A=5008809/R=0/SIG=10q26t77l/*htt\ p://health./> Getting fit is now easier than ever. Healthy Eating on Groups<http://us.ard./SIG=12mac27o4/M=493064.12016231.12445647.9706571/\ D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1198529130/A=4836035/R=0/SIG=11n53k6s3/*\ fruitabuparents/> A place for parents to share their ideas. taking it after meals also helps to reduce the volatility of the blood level of the T3.< .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 I found this very interesting, also. Thanks Roni. I also thought it should be split and taken at 6 hr. intervals. I understood that T3 peaks at 6 hr. I wonder about that. Venizia In hypothyroidism , " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote: > > I find it interesting that he says to take it AFTER meals and to take it essentially 12 hours apart; after breakfast and after dinner. > Armour Thyroid Dosing and Methodology > > > >For those people who are already on once daily Armour thyroid should split their doses immediately and take half after breakfast and half after dinner. Recent Activity > a.. 15New Members<hypothyroidism/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMWU2ZX\ V2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdm\ 1icnMEc3RpbWUDMTE5ODUyMTkzMA--> > Visit Your Group <hypothyroidism;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdjV0c2ZsBF9TAzk3MzU5N\ zE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdmdocARzdGltZQMxM\ Tk4NTIxOTMw> > Cancer Support > on Groups<http://us.ard./SIG=12n4f478h/M=493064.12016247.12445656.10478265\ /D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1198529130/A=4617368/R=0/SIG=11uofhk5p/\ *http://advision.webevents./cancersupport/index.html> > > Connect w/ others > > find help & share > > Health > Fit for Life<http://us.ard./SIG=12m9gjstq/M=493064.12016303.124456959706571/D=g\ rphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1198529130/A=5008809/R=0/SIG=10q26t77l/*htt\ p://health./> > > Getting fit is now > > easier than ever. > > Healthy Eating > on Groups<http://us.ard./SIG=12mac27o4/M=493064.12016231.12445647.9706571/\ D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1198529130/A=4836035/R=0/SIG=11n53k6s3/*\ fruitabuparents/> > > A place for parents > > to share their ideas. > > taking it after meals also helps to reduce the volatility of the blood level of the T3.< > > > > > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 have you looked on http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com at adrenal probs? b/c you have them! Gracia I think he's advocating this because it would minimize the sudden load on the heart from the T3. I've been taking it one hour before eating, but after a new Afib attack this morning, I think I am going to try it this way too. I don't say evryone needs this, but it seems some of us do. Roni Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: I find it interesting that he says to take it AFTER meals and to take it essentially 12 hours apart; after breakfast and after dinner. Armour Thyroid Dosing and Methodology >For those people who are already on once daily Armour thyroid should split their doses immediately and take half after breakfast and half after dinner. Recent Activity a.. 15New Members<hypothyroidism/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMWU2ZX\ V2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdm\ 1icnMEc3RpbWUDMTE5ODUyMTkzMA--> Visit Your Group <hypothyroidism;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdjV0c2ZsBF9TAzk3MzU5N\ zE0BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdmdocARzdGltZQMxM\ Tk4NTIxOTMw> Cancer Support on Groups<http://us.ard./SIG=12n4f478h/M=493064.12016247.12445656.10478265\ /D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1198529130/A=4617368/R=0/SIG=11uofhk5p/\ *http://advision.webevents./cancersupport/index.html> Connect w/ others find help & share Health Fit for Life<http://us.ard./SIG=12m9gjstq/M=493064.12016303.124456959706571/D=g\ rphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1198529130/A=5008809/R=0/SIG=10q26t77l/*htt\ p://health./> Getting fit is now easier than ever. Healthy Eating on Groups<http://us.ard./SIG=12mac27o4/M=493064.12016231.12445647.9706571/\ D=grphealth/S=1709251082:NC/Y=/EXP=1198529130/A=4836035/R=0/SIG=11n53k6s3/*\ fruitabuparents/> A place for parents to share their ideas. taking it after meals also helps to reduce the volatility of the blood level of the T3.< . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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