Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 this is the kind of mentality you find about Armour. I guess it is b/c of TSH tests. would you go to a car mechanic who didn't know a muffler from a brake pad? & ^%$# Sam has no thyroid gland. She is a tiny thing though! Gracia Wow 11 grains seems like a huge amount to me. I'm only on 2 grains and asked my doctor for more and he says if you want it you can have it but if you have a heart attack it's your responsibility, not mine. Roni Recent Activity a.. 3New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Gracia, You wrote: > > hooray Sam you broke through the barrier. I wonder what happened? Just > have to wait long enough? Did Chuck fix it? Not unless it was my threat to start a new list. I did realize that this pattern has happened before, that a whole bunch of outdated newbie posts suddenly show up on the same day. That suggests that we do have an unacknowledged list owner, who occasionally does approve new posts. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 I can relate to you soo well when u say that you " looked bad " on Synthroid......that is exactly how i feel. not to be conceided, but, i USED to be beautiful before my diagnosis and now.......i look like crap! gained soooo much weight and look so much older than i am. I am gonna talk to my doc about Armour because after reading ur post, i feel as though i might actually have some hope. Thank you..... Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: I don't think a lot of doctors, at least the ones I've come up against, know very much about desiccated thyroid. I would always hear the heart attack schpeel...oh brother. Hypos are at a 40% greater risk of heart issues... The last few times I went to medical people, I brought fotos (and of course dressed like a tart). Fotos of me before my healthy thyroid gland was destroyed (hubba hubba), fotos of me after it was destroyed and I was on synthroid (scarey creature from the black lagoon), and fotos of me getting healthier on Armour (one hot mama). And they are heartily impressed. And " then " I tell them I'm on 11 grains and their heads spin around on their axis, explode, and the first thing they want to do is lower my Armour. I pretty much tell them that will happen when pigs fly [pun]. I explain what " dosing by symptoms " means, and they understand, but they won't do it and even tho they see the results with their own 2 eyes, they don't believe it works. It's like trying to teach a 2yr old what the word " no " means... Simply put, I started on 2 grains of Armour and whenever my hypO symptoms returned, I increased by 1/2 grain. My hypO symptoms stopped returning when I was on 12 grains of Armour. That's what my body told me (via symptoms) it needed, and that's what it got. Please note that after starting Iodoral (iodine/iodide) I found that I needed to lower my Armour to 11 grains. If my hypO symptoms stopped at 6 grains, I'd be on 6 grains, if they stopped at 8 grains, I'd be on 8 grains. I'm just on 11 grains because that's apparently what my body needs. Oh and for us thyroidless folks, we do tend to need a bit more than the average person who still has a thyroid, even tho it may be a sick thyroid. More than 6 grains isn't unusual for the thyroidless it seems. Sam (thyroidless, iodized, and Armour-ized) k9gang@... > > > this is the kind of mentality you find about Armour. I guess it is b/c of TSH tests. > would you go to a car mechanic who didn't know a muffler from a brake pad? & ^%$# > Sam has no thyroid gland. She is a tiny thing though! > Gracia > > ===== > Wow 11 grains seems like a huge amount to me. I'm only > on 2 grains and asked my doctor for more and he says > if you want it you can have it but if you have a heart > attack it's your responsibility, not mine. > > Roni --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Thank you for that great info.? I have been searching for years for some one to say thyroidless people can take Armour thyroid.? My doctors always say levothyroxine is prescribed " because the strength or dosage is more consistent. " ? Which never made sense to me.? Why would the company that sells Armour sell a product with varying unreliable potency?? They also would tell me that the Synthyroid is also suppressing the possibility of returning cancer.? I am not sure that is true either.? Guess I will be Doctor shopping for a while now that I have good insurance.-lenosan Re: Re: Hello there, y'all I can relate to you soo well when u say that you " looked bad " on Synthroid......that is exactly how i feel. not to be conceided, but, i USED to be beautiful before my diagnosis and now.......i look like crap! gained soooo much weight and look so much older than i am. I am gonna talk to my doc about Armour because after reading ur post, i feel as though i might actually have some hope. Thank you..... Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: I don't think a lot of doctors, at least the ones I've come up against, know very much about desiccated thyroid. I would always hear the heart attack schpeel...oh brother. Hypos are at a 40% greater risk of heart issues... The last few times I went to medical people, I brought fotos (and of course dressed like a tart). Fotos of me before my healthy thyroid gland was destroyed (hubba hubba), fotos of me after it was destroyed and I was on synthroid (scarey creature from the black lagoon), and fotos of me getting healthier on Armour (one hot mama). And they are heartily impressed. And " then " I tell them I'm on 11 grains and their heads spin around on their axis, explode, and the first thing they want to do is lower my Armour. I pretty much tell them that will happen when pigs fly [pun]. I explain what " dosing by symptoms " means, and they understand, but they won't do it and even tho they see the results with their own 2 eyes, they don't believe it works. It's like trying to teach a 2yr old what the word " no " means... Simply put, I started on 2 grains of Armour and whenever my hypO symptoms returned, I increased by 1/2 grain. My hypO symptoms stopped returning when I was on 12 grains of Armour. That's what my body told me (via symptoms) it needed, and that's what it got. Please note that after starting Iodoral (iodine/iodide) I found that I needed to lower my Armour to 11 grains. If my hypO symptoms stopped at 6 grains, I'd be on 6 grains, if they stopped at 8 grains, I'd be on 8 grains. I'm just on 11 grains because that's apparently what my body needs. Oh and for us thyroidless folks, we do tend to need a bit more than the average person who still has a thyroid, even tho it may be a sick thyroid. More than 6 grains isn't unusual for the thyroidless it seems. Sam (thyroidless, iodized, and Armour-ized) k9gang@... > > > this is the kind of mentality you find about Armour. I guess it is b/c of TSH tests. > would you go to a car mechanic who didn't know a muffler from a brake pad? & ^%$# > Sam has no thyroid gland. She is a tiny thing though! > Gracia > > ===== > Wow 11 grains seems like a huge amount to me. I'm only > on 2 grains and asked my doctor for more and he says > if you want it you can have it but if you have a heart > attack it's your responsibility, not mine. > > Roni --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 maybe you should join the iodine group, b/c there are thyroid cancer patients there, using high dose iodine and Armour to prevent return of cancer. http://www.iodine Gracia Thank you for that great info.? I have been searching for years for some one to say thyroidless people can take Armour thyroid.? My doctors always say levothyroxine is prescribed " because the strength or dosage is more consistent. " ? Which never made sense to me.? Why would the company that sells Armour sell a product with varying unreliable potency?? They also would tell me that the Synthyroid is also suppressing the possibility of returning cancer.? I am not sure that is true either.? Guess I will be Doctor shopping for a while now that I have good insurance.-lenosan Recent Activity a.. 5New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 A hint on doctor shopping: Call around to a local " compounding pharmacy " and ask which doctors are prescribing " BOTH " Armour Thyroid " and " BHRT (natural hormones " . Those are docs that seem to have a better handle on using hormones the right way, altho you will still have to interview each doctor's office to make sure they treat symptoms, use saliva testing, and who " listen " to their patients. On being thyroidless... The human body requires all the thyroid hormones to function and survive. There is no way a synthetic T4 drug, with it's altered molecule (that makes it patentable), can give a human body all the thyroid hormones. It makes absolutely no sense at all to give a thyroidless person a synthetic T4 drug. Sam (thyroidless, iodized, and Armour-ized) > > > Thank you for that great info.? I have been searching for years for some one to say > thyroidless people can take Armour thyroid.? My doctors always say levothyroxine is prescribed " because the strength or dosage is more consistent. " ? Which never made sense to me.? Why would the company that sells Armour sell a product with varying unreliable potency?? They also would tell me that the Synthyroid is also suppressing the possibility of returning cancer.? I am not sure that is true either.? Guess I will be Doctor shopping for a while now that I have good insurance.-lenosan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Well, I am not on a huge amount of hormones " for me " . I am on the correct amount of hormones " for me " . If I am on " too much " it feels horrible. Each human has their own individual hormonal needs. What is perfect for me may not be perfect for someone else. Many people are on less, and many people are on more that I am. Here is an interesting little ditty: there was a prison study done many years ago investigating the highest amount of desiccated thyroid a human body can take. If I remember correctly, it was 25 grains that was the top limit. What's important here is knowing that it does not matter what the dose amount is, it matters that it's the correct amount for that particular individual. And that can only be known by paying strict attention to symptoms, or lack of. Sam (thyroidless, iodized, and Armour-ized) > > The problem with taking huge amounts of any hormone is that there is a negative effect on the receptors on the surface of the cell. It is a homeostatic mechanism the body uses to keep itself in balance. Too much hormones means fewer receptors for that hormone to bring it into the cell. Maybe it would be very difficult to lower the dosage again because you don't have enough receptors to get the hormone. > I am not sure how this works, but its something to think about. And it is not anything that can be tested because it does not occur in the blood stream > Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Sam, You wrote: > ... There is no way a synthetic T4 > drug, with it's altered molecule (that makes it patentable), can give > a human body all the thyroid hormones. Baloney. The blood tests, both in humans and animals, show that all the other Ts are metabolic products of T4, and that the same levels of conversion are achieved, at least in most people. There are always exceptions. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 If T4 alone supplies all the needed hormones for thyroid production, what is the reason I and so many others on Synthroid alone had side effects and felt badly. If it's doing it's job these things wouldn't happen. Roni --- Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: > Sam, > > You wrote: > > ... There is no way a synthetic T4 > > drug, with it's altered molecule (that makes it > patentable), can give > > a human body all the thyroid hormones. > > Baloney. The blood tests, both in humans and > animals, show that all the > other Ts are metabolic products of T4, and that the > same levels of > conversion are achieved, at least in most people. > There are always > exceptions. > > Chuck > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 if synthroid is identicle to what my body makes, then why did my hair fall out so bad when i took it? crystal > > > > > > If T4 alone supplies all the needed hormones for > > thyroid production, what is the reason I and so many > > others on Synthroid alone had side effects and felt > > badly. If it's doing it's job these things wouldn't > > happen. > > Because not everyone is the same. Please try to follow the logic. Sam's > original statement was that there is " no way a synthetic T4 ..., " thus > claiming that T4 would not work for ANYONE. I did not say it would work > for EVERYONE, just that it works for most. The fact there are exceptions > does not invalidate my statement. > > Her phrasing that the synthetic T4 is an altered molecule is also > patently false. Synthetic T4 is identical in every way to natural T4. It > was produced by a synthetic process, but the result is the same molecule > as a live gland produces. The dessicated gland also contains metabolic > products of thyroxine, which the synthetic does not have, but the T4 > component in both is identical. > > Chuck > > > > > > ... There is no way a synthetic T4 > > > > drug, with it's altered molecule (that makes it > > > patentable), can give > > > > a human body all the thyroid hormones. > > > > > > Baloney. The blood tests, both in humans and > > > animals, show that all the > > > other Ts are metabolic products of T4, and that the > > > same levels of > > > conversion are achieved, at least in most people. > > > There are always > > > exceptions. > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 Chuck, Then why would so many of us feel better on Armour rather than Synthroid. And you say that this list is the exception. I really don't think so. I just think that those other folks out there don't know that there's an alternative to Synthroid. Many, many doctors will not prescribe Armour. Why? Because the drug companies are pushing the Synthroid. Edie You wrote: Baloney. The blood tests, both in humans and animals, show that all the other Ts are metabolic products of T4, and that the same levels of conversion are achieved, at least in most people. There are always exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 Who was it that said " synthroid is bio-identical if you are an action figure made by Mattel " ... :-D Sam (thyroid-less, Iodized, and Armour-ized) k9gang@... http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-09/IOD_09.htm http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-02/IOD_02.htm http://www.laurapower.com/iodinedeficiency.htm http://www.vrp.com/art/1860.asp http://www.quackcenter.com/ideficiency.html http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html http://www.iodine4health.com http://www.jcrows.com/iodine.html http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/loadTest.htm http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/loading.html http://www.helpmythyroid.com/IOD4.htm http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDL/is_1_13/ai_n17212623 http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/dt.php http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art40118.asp http://www.type2hypothyroidism.com/Type1VsType2.html BHRT http://www.medaus.com/p/Three-Rules-for-Using-BHRT___200,965.html http://www.thecompounder.com/saliva-vs-serum.pdf > > if synthroid is identicle to what my body makes, then why did my hair > fall out so bad when i took it? > crystal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 Chuck- Just because levothyroxine is " the third most prescribed drug " it doesn't mean that it is in the majority of cases superior to T3 and T4 meds. It simply means that doctors are for some reason given incentive to prescribe it more (such as receiving gifts, money, etc.). Edie, You wrote: > > Then why would so many of us feel better on Armour rather than Synthroid. > And you say that this list is the exception. I really don't think so.... Just read a few of the studies. Levothyroxine is now the third most prescribed drug, exceeded in sales only by hydrocodone and atorvostatin. It beats all the antibiotics and blood pressure meds. I know about a dozen people locally who take it, all with no problems whatsoever. That's a small sampling, but judging by the published numbers, it is quite representative. In contrast, this list attracts people who are having sufficient trouble with it, they are looking for help. Chuck ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 Chuck, I respectfully have to disagree with you. Just because a drug is prescribed, doesn't mean that it should be. Also, there are many people on drugs that are making them steadily sicker and sicker and don't know that it is from the drugs. Thirdly, doctors have a vested interest in prescribing drugs, first because they really can't do anything in the way of curing you and second because they get perks from the pharmaceutical companies to prescribe their drugs. On the Zocor website on the web there used to be an item that said Zocor can cause cancer. I happen to have had a friend that was on Zocor, developed colon and then liver cancer and died. I checked again some time after he died and the item was gone. This is just one example of the duplicity of these companies. It would be wonderful if their integrity was worth as much as the profits they get from their drugs, but sadly that is not the case. In addition, I feel badly, but I have to tell you that Dr. Welby died quite some time ago. Roni --- Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: > Edie, > > You wrote: > > > > Then why would so many of us feel better on Armour > rather than Synthroid. > > And you say that this list is the exception. I > really don't think so.... > > Just read a few of the studies. Levothyroxine is now > the third most > prescribed drug, exceeded in sales only by > hydrocodone and atorvostatin. > It beats all the antibiotics and blood pressure > meds. I know about a > dozen people locally who take it, all with no > problems whatsoever. > That's a small sampling, but judging by the > published numbers, it is > quite representative. In contrast, this list > attracts people who are > having sufficient trouble with it, they are looking > for help. > > Chuck > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 I think you are assuming that all the peeps on $inthroid/not on these lists are happy with their treatment. I don't think this is true. Gracia Sam, is it not obvious that lists such as this would tend to be self selecting for people who are in that fraction of the population who does not respond well to the first thing their doctor is likely to prescribe? I personally take only Synthroid and AFAIK have no problems. But that is probably irrelevant, as I had no symptoms other than elevated TSH without taking Synthroid. PS: Sorry, no gold coins yet! [ggg] > I've only been on these thyroid discussion groups for about 4 years, > but I have yet to hear of the majority of members doing well on T4. > Quite the opposite, in fact. > > Sam :-o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 , You wrote: > > ... And those studies that you are talking about were > conducted by PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES trying to prove something.... That is just not correct. Companies only perform their own studies as a preliminary step to _justify_ larger clinical trials required to prove a medication safe and effective or to determine diagnostic and treatment parameters. The larger studies to which I refer are FUNDED, at least in part, by pharmaceutical companies, but they are CONDUCTED by independent contractors, often hundreds of private practices and clinics, under federal supervision according to strict protocols. At most, employees of the company coordinate activities or compile reports from those actually conducting the study. Not that improprieties do not occur. They certainly do, but when it happens, the result is a scandal, an exception. The biggest single incident involving Synthroid, happened when Boots Pharmaceuticals tried to suppress evidence that showed other brands to be as equally effective as Synthroid. However, the obvious underlying fact in this and other studies was that synthetic T4 from many manufacturers was found to be quite effective for all but a tiny percentage of the population treated. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Sam, You wrote: > > If one complains but is not heard by their doctor, does that not count? > An important component of clinical studies is the survey of patient satisfaction, where they ask whether the symptoms are gone, whether they suffer any side effects, and whether the physician was cooperative and got the full story. Again, discussion lists tend to attract people who have problems with what they were prescribed and are looking for help and good alternatives. They self select and very preferentially. The vast majority of hypoT people have better things to do. God only knows why I am here. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Gracia...I agree with your adrenal comment, the problem is most every doctor does not acknowledge adrenal fatigue or test for it. But newer posters need to know you just can't take 5 grains of Armour like you do out of the blue. It takes months and months to work up to that sort of dose, and adrenals have to be supported the whole way (if necessary). For someone to take 5 grains of Armour right off they could very well have chest pains or a cardiac event. Neil ________________________________ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Gracia Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:58 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all the doc is confusing adrenal symptoms with heart probs. Usual dose of Armour is 3--5 grains, unless you have no thyroid gland. Today I took 5 grains, no " heart probs " . Gracia Sam, I have a question about your response to the Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid to give me more, because he says it could affect my heart. Have you had any heart problems like dizziness, fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) palpitations (heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or chest pain? Roni Recent Activity a.. 5New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 , I am also having symptoms that are not normal, and have been told that they are. If the doctor is happy with your cholesterol, why the Lipitor? I have Fibromyalgia too, and it really messes up the ability of the doctors to diagnose. Medicine is called a practice instead of a science IMHO because they are still trying to get it right. I guess the difference between us lies in my unwillingness to take so many drugs. Roni p.s. If you get any sudden lightbulbs that might help me address my situation, please feel free to tell me. --- <res075oh@...> wrote: > Hi, Roni. Please see responses below. > > > > > Re: Hello there, y'all > > > <hypothyroidism/message/29326;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZ2g4YnY\ zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjkzMjYEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4Mzc4NjU0MA--> > > > > > > > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " > matchermaam@... > > > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hello%20there%2C%20y%27all> > > matchermaam > <matchermaam> > > > > > > Fri Jul 6, 2007 7:29 pm (PST) > > > > , > > > > You say you don't have any symptoms, but from your > own > > words, it seems to me that you do. > > You have gained weight, obviously have food > cravings, > I have gained weight; and do have food cravings. > There is psychological > stress in my life that points directly to the food > cravings. The food > [especially at my age of 66] along with little or no > exercise translates > into a few pounds of excess fat. But I probably > consume several times > the recommended calories. But I'm 5' 11 " and 188 > lbs, so that's not TOO > obese... > > > taking Melatonin (I think to sleep), > I've had sleep problems all my life; or at least as > far back as I can > remember. About a year ago I was working in tile > setting [hard physical > work] on a temporary job with my brother's company. > I went to bed about > 9:30 each night and got up at 5:30 each week day > morning. I also > starting taking 3 mg Melatonin each night. While I > was sleeping regular > hours, working, and taking the Melatonin I started > to sleep like a > normal person should. That is the only time in my > life I have been able > to go to bed, go to sleep, and sleep well. Now I > stay up until > midnight; or maybe 1 or 2 AM [4:00 AM last night]. > I don't sleep as > well, even with the Melatonin. I doubt my sleep > problems are related to > the elevated TSH, which only showed up a year or so > ago. > > asperin for your > > heart (hopefully preventive, but asperin also is > > anti-inflamatory) > I've had a rapid heartbeat all my life. At times it > could reach the 175 > to 200 bpm range. My former primary care physician > was a heart > specialist, and diagnosed me as having arrhythmia. > He's done many > stress tests and the like. He prescribed the > verapamil, which prevents > the higher ranges of heart rate; as well as the baby > aspirin, which is > just a preventative blood thinner that most heart > doctors recommend. > I've never shown any sign of high blood pressure; > although my father did > have it. I do not think these are related to > hypothyroidism; although I > can't completely rule it out. > > ,take Lipitor for high cholesterol (I > > hope you got all the numbers, not just the total) > The hdl/ldl ratio has always been good; and my total > at my last test was > 171. My heart doctor told me he wished his > cholesterol numbers were as > good as mine. > > Allegra for allergies, and Verapamil for arrythmia > and > I've suffered from hay fever [allergic rhinitis] > since a young child. I > had asthma attacks from the age of 19 to 60. I also > had something > called " quinsy croup " [or similar] for a few months > as a young child. > The symptoms were exactly the same as an asthma > attack; and, in my > opinion was in fact an improperly diagnosed series > of asthma attacks. > Very remotely possible connection to hyper; but IMHO > very unlikely. > > high blood pressure. These can all be symptoms of > > hypothyroidism. > > No high blood pressure, ever. > > > > That is a pretty good illustration of the fact > that > > lots of people don't really know what is wrong > with > > them, unless their doctor actually tells them. > They > > really do teach this stuff in med school, so why > are > > the doctors not putting all this together and > treating > > us properly? > The sad fact is that we often don't know what's > wrong with us even when > our doctor DOES give us a diagnose; as many here can > attest. We have to > research and carefully weigh the evidence. I have > done that; although > not nearly as thoroughly as I could have. Since I > feel well I'm not too > motivated I guess. > > I have looked very carefully at all of my symptoms, > and given the vast > time span from the onset of most [essentially, all > my life] and the > discovery of elevated TSH 65 years later I doubt > that the symptoms are > hypothyroidism related. But I cannot completely > rule it out. > > Generally, I feel well and enjoy my life. Given the > utter misery that > some here suffer I'm embarrassed to even mention my > " problems " . > > > > Roni > Thanks for your concern and input. I can't say that > you're not correct; > but I don't think so for the reasons I've given. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Never had a heart problem all my life. The only time I did was while hypO on synthroid. I've never had a heart issue on Armour, no matter the dose, but I did have to support weak adrenals. I have a normal heart rate of 88-96bpm, as I always have had my entire adult life (other than while hypO when it was, at the worst 58bpm). I do have a smaller sized heart, if that makes any sense. I'm also a teeny weeny human... Sam :-D > > Sam, I have a question about your response to the > Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid to > give me more, because he says it could affect my > heart. Have you had any heart problems like dizziness, > fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) palpitations > (heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or chest > pain? > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Roni, how are your adrenals? If your temp fluctuates thru-out the day, your blood pressure changes from laying to standing, and your pupils do not stay consistently constricted when light is applied, you may have an adrenal issue. Dosing entirely by symptoms has worked so well for me, but I still had to address my adrenals to do so. Just a thought. Sam > > I started back on the Thyrolar again, still taking 2 > grains. The difference is that Armour has .22 more of > levothyroxine than Thyrolar. However, all the sick > feeling from the Armour stops when I switch. I would > like him to let me have 1/2 grain more to see what > happens. I have gained too much weight, and I want to > lose it, and this way I don't think my body is > metabolizing properly. I'm not a big eater, and the > calorie intake should allow me to lose, but I'm not. > I don't know how to do the saliva test or where to go. > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 The highest dose he had me on was .88mcg and I had to fight to get increased to " that " . Isn't that insane? He kept saying, you're going to have bone loss, except by that time I already had acquired pretty bad osteoporosis. After the " increase " to .88mcg he was freaking out about bone loss again and had me do a dexa scan which showed a slight INCREASE in bone density. The scary part is that he then had me go on fosamax, which I probably did a very short course of because it sucked to take it. And after being on 2 grains of Armour, before I fired him, he pushed for another dexa scan which showed a huge increase in bone density (had been off fosamax for ages and ages by then). Because of the hypOthyroidism I suffered, I lost all but 10 of my beautiful teeth (I have them in a little box in my dresser). During all that dental work I had numerous dental x-rays, and was also dosing Armour by symptoms by that time. A series of dental x-rays over the course of 2 years show, I kid you not, dramatic and consistent bone density increase. My dentist told me she has never seen this before in all her years of practice. If you looked at my first bone scan and my most recent bone scan, you would think they were of 2 different people. Pretty interesting, huh? Sam :-D > > > Sam, you may have mentioned this before but how much Synthroid did doctors > have you on? And I'd be interested in seeing those pictures of how you looked on > each medication lol, you sound really cool :-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 I hope you got the fotos. <grin> Have I said about the stressors in my life? They are HUGE, but I seem to " now " be able to let them all roll off my back with ease. I couldn't have done that while I was still hypO sick. Wanna see my tattoo's? :-D Sam > > Sam, I can't begin to compare myself to you. You're a real breath of > fresh air here; and your joy and happiness are contagious. It's true > my age is often guessed more than a decade low, but there's really very > little similarity otherwise. Well, except that I eat like a pig and > gain no [more] weight. My psychological/marital situation is complex; > and I'm not free to go into it here. > > My email should be at the top of the post: " res075oh@... " . Please > post the photos to that; but I assure you I believe you. No nudie > pix??? I'm really disappointed! [ggg] > > I'm not so much pro-Synthroid as I just don't feel I need any other > medication; and Synthroid is cheap. > > Regards, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 I'm probably going for a new test in August, and now I am back on Thyrolar (2grains). It's actually got a bit less levothyroxine than Armour, 4:1 vs. 4.22:1. I'm really curious to see how this looks in August. Roni --- Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: > Roni, > > You wrote: > > > > My T4 is 1.1 (N) > > TSH 0.016 (L) > > Fre thyroxine l.71 (N) > > Fre T3 4.7 (H) > > > > The latest study on the dangers of low TSH said that > problems were > detected when TSH was below 0.1 long term. However, > yours may be that > way because of the Cytomel and may not be a problem. > You can find > experts on either side of this. Same for the high > FT3. If you feel good > on this, I would say don't mess with it and take the > risk. If you still > have hypoT symptoms, then something else is going > on. > > Chuck > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Good questions Sam,but I don't know the answers. I will try to test these things and get back to you. Thanks, Roni --- Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: > Roni, how are your adrenals? If your temp fluctuates > thru-out the day, > your blood pressure changes from laying to standing, > and your pupils do > not stay consistently constricted when light is > applied, you may have > an adrenal issue. > > Dosing entirely by symptoms has worked so well for > me, but I still had > to address my adrenals to do so. > > Just a thought. > > Sam > > > > > > > I started back on the Thyrolar again, still taking > 2 > > grains. The difference is that Armour has .22 more > of > > levothyroxine than Thyrolar. However, all the sick > > feeling from the Armour stops when I switch. I > would > > like him to let me have 1/2 grain more to see what > > happens. I have gained too much weight, and I want > to > > lose it, and this way I don't think my body is > > metabolizing properly. I'm not a big eater, and > the > > calorie intake should allow me to lose, but I'm > not. > > I don't know how to do the saliva test or where to > go. > > > > Roni > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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