Re: Re: Armour and Glaucoma - DHEA

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Hi there,

itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much better than they

have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental Thyroid hormones are outta the

system and my eyes kinda recovered from whatever damage Armour did.

Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i heard might

cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted into Estrogen (i am

MALE ..let's not get into that issue again...lol)..thatz the reason I have been

avoiding DHEA ..does it help any of you?

and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get my adrenals

in working condition before I give Armour another shot (which might be another

few months) ..

what do u suggest?

WS

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine seems to be

wondrous for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg Iodoral, cortef and

DHEA for adrenals, then add enough Armour. You won't need Ambien and Valium.

Gracia

Gracia ,

I understand where you are coming from, and take as little pharmaceuticals as

possible.

I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien, because with the

fibromyalgia

I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that it was

actually getting dangerous.

I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have Atrial

Fibrillation and have to

keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it!

Roni

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meaning there's a risk of prostate cancer in men?

venizia1948 <nelsonck@...> wrote: That

is one reason why I will not take DHEA because of the risk of

estrogen increasing and risk of breast cancer for one.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , weird Scientist

<weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

>

> Hi there,

>

> itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much

better than they have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental

Thyroid hormones are outta the system and my eyes kinda recovered from

whatever damage Armour did.

>

> Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i

heard might cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted

into Estrogen (i am MALE ..let's not get into that issue

again...lol)..thatz the reason I have been avoiding DHEA ..does it

help any of you?

>

> and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get

my adrenals in working condition before I give Armour another shot

(which might be another few months) ..

>

> what do u suggest?

>

> WS

>

> Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

> the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine

seems to be wondrous for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg

Iodoral, cortef and DHEA for adrenals, then add enough Armour. You

won't need Ambien and Valium.

> Gracia

>

> Gracia ,

> I understand where you are coming from, and take as little

pharmaceuticals as possible.

> I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien,

because with the fibromyalgia

> I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that

it was actually getting dangerous.

> I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have

Atrial Fibrillation and have to

> keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it!

>

> Roni

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oh puhlease

DHEA is an important adrenal hormone that works with cortisol. It is

considered cancer protective, as well as iodine. High or low DHEA is an

indicator of adrenal fatigue.

Gracia

meaning there's a risk of prostate cancer in men?

venizia1948 <nelsonck@...> wrote: That is one reason why I will not

take DHEA because of the risk of

estrogen increasing and risk of breast cancer for one.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , weird Scientist

<weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

>

> Hi there,

>

> itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much

better than they have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental

Thyroid hormones are outta the system and my eyes kinda recovered from

whatever damage Armour did.

>

> Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i

heard might cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted

into Estrogen (i am MALE ..let's not get into that issue

again...lol)..thatz the reason I have been avoiding DHEA ..does it

help any of you?

>

> and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get

my adrenals in working condition before I give Armour another shot

(which might be another few months) ..

>

> what do u suggest?

>

> WS

>

> Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

> the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine

seems to be wondrous for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg

Iodoral, cortef and DHEA for adrenals, then add enough Armour. You

won't need Ambien and Valium.

> Gracia

>

> Gracia ,

> I understand where you are coming from, and take as little

pharmaceuticals as possible.

> I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien,

because with the fibromyalgia

> I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that

it was actually getting dangerous.

> I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have

Atrial Fibrillation and have to

> keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it!

>

> Roni

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your dose of Armour was too low. the only damage done was being on too low a

dose. Lots of us have vision probs until we get enough thyroid hormone. How

old are you? If you have weak adrenals you will have probs with Iodoral too.

Therapeutic dose of Iodoral is 25mg 2X a day to start. It is a powerful

detoxifier, and also normalizes hormone levels and prevents sex organ cancers.

Gracia

Hi there,

itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much better than

they have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental Thyroid hormones are

outta the system and my eyes kinda recovered from whatever damage Armour did.

Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i heard might

cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted into Estrogen (i am

MALE ..let's not get into that issue again...lol)..thatz the reason I have been

avoiding DHEA ..does it help any of you?

and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get my

adrenals in working condition before I give Armour another shot (which might be

another few months) ..

what do u suggest?

WS

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine seems to be

wondrous for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg Iodoral, cortef and

DHEA for adrenals, then add enough Armour. You won't need Ambien and Valium.

Gracia

Gracia ,

I understand where you are coming from, and take as little pharmaceuticals as

possible.

I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien, because with the

fibromyalgia

I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that it was

actually getting dangerous.

I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have Atrial

Fibrillation and have to

keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it!

Roni

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I suggest that you find a naturopathic physician, and get yourself examined and

tested before you do permanent damage to yourself.

Roni

weird Scientist <weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

Hi there,

itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much better than they

have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental Thyroid hormones are outta the

system and my eyes kinda recovered from whatever damage Armour did.

Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i heard might

cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted into Estrogen (i am

MALE ..let's not get into that issue again...lol)..thatz the reason I have been

avoiding DHEA ..does it help any of you?

and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get my adrenals

in working condition before I give Armour another shot (which might be another

few months) ..

what do u suggest?

WS

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine seems to be wondrous

for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg Iodoral, cortef and DHEA for

adrenals, then add enough Armour. You won't need Ambien and Valium.

Gracia

Gracia ,

I understand where you are coming from, and take as little pharmaceuticals as

possible.

I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien, because with the

fibromyalgia

I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that it was actually

getting dangerous.

I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have Atrial

Fibrillation and have to

keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it!

Roni

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ok now not many people admitted to having vision problems on Armour ..a few

people did ... but not as many as I expected to.

I am 28 years old ..have had joint pain since I was 14 ... and probably glaucoma

too (but just been diagnosed) ..history of asthma (stopped having attacks a year

before having Joint problems) ..

thatz what I thought abt Ioderal...

I was on it 1/2 mg for a week before I increased the dosage to 1.75 mg ..not

sure how often shud I be increasing the dosage?.. it sure makes my joints feel

wonderful..but I was following STTM's protocol.

WS

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

your dose of Armour was too low. the only damage done was being on too low a

dose. Lots of us have vision probs until we get enough thyroid hormone. How

old are you? If you have weak adrenals you will have probs with Iodoral too.

Therapeutic dose of Iodoral is 25mg 2X a day to start. It is a powerful

detoxifier, and also normalizes hormone levels and prevents sex organ cancers.

Gracia

Hi there,

itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much better than they

have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental Thyroid hormones are outta the

system and my eyes kinda recovered from whatever damage Armour did.

Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i heard might

cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted into Estrogen (i am

MALE ..let's not get into that issue again...lol)..thatz the reason I have been

avoiding DHEA ..does it help any of you?

and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get my adrenals

in working condition before I give Armour another shot (which might be another

few months) ..

what do u suggest?

WS

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine seems to be

wondrous for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg Iodoral, cortef and

DHEA for adrenals, then add enough Armour. You won't need Ambien and Valium.

Gracia

Gracia ,

I understand where you are coming from, and take as little pharmaceuticals as

possible.

I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien, because with the

fibromyalgia

I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that it was

actually getting dangerous.

I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have Atrial

Fibrillation and have to

keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it!

Roni

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The only protocol you should be following right now is the one given to you

by a naturopath or allopath that is knowledgeable about your particular

conditions.

Treating yourself when you don't really understand what any of this is all

about

is VERY dangerous. Please seek the services of a doctor.

Roni

weird Scientist <weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

ok now not many people admitted to having vision problems on Armour

...a few people did ... but not as many as I expected to.

I am 28 years old ..have had joint pain since I was 14 ... and probably glaucoma

too (but just been diagnosed) ..history of asthma (stopped having attacks a year

before having Joint problems) ..

thatz what I thought abt Ioderal...

I was on it 1/2 mg for a week before I increased the dosage to 1.75 mg ..not

sure how often shud I be increasing the dosage?.. it sure makes my joints feel

wonderful..but I was following STTM's protocol.

WS

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

your dose of Armour was too low. the only damage done was being on too low a

dose. Lots of us have vision probs until we get enough thyroid hormone. How old

are you? If you have weak adrenals you will have probs with Iodoral too.

Therapeutic dose of Iodoral is 25mg 2X a day to start. It is a powerful

detoxifier, and also normalizes hormone levels and prevents sex organ cancers.

Gracia

Hi there,

itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much better than they

have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental Thyroid hormones are outta the

system and my eyes kinda recovered from whatever damage Armour did.

Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i heard might

cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted into Estrogen (i am

MALE ..let's not get into that issue again...lol)..thatz the reason I have been

avoiding DHEA ..does it help any of you?

and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get my adrenals

in working condition before I give Armour another shot (which might be another

few months) ..

what do u suggest?

WS

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine seems to be wondrous

for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg Iodoral, cortef and DHEA for

adrenals, then add enough Armour. You won't need Ambien and Valium.

Gracia

Gracia ,

I understand where you are coming from, and take as little pharmaceuticals as

possible.

I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien, because with the

fibromyalgia

I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that it was actually

getting dangerous.

I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have Atrial

Fibrillation and have to

keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it!

Roni

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Safety

Methodology

Selected references

back to top

Background DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone) is an endogenous hormone (made in

the human body), and secreted by the adrenal gland. DHEA serves as precursor to

male and female sex hormones (androgens and estrogens). DHEA levels in the body

begin to decrease after age 30, and are reported to be low in some people with

anorexia, end-stage kidney disease, type 2 diabetes (non-insulin dependent

diabetes), AIDS, adrenal insufficiency, and in the critically ill. DHEA levels

may also be depleted by a number of drugs, including insulin, corticosteroids,

opiates, and danazol.

There is sufficient evidence supporting the use of DHEA in the treatment of

adrenal insufficiency, depression, induction of labor, and systemic lupus

erythematosus.

No studies on the long-term effects of DHEA have been conducted. DHEA can

cause higher than normal levels of androgens and estrogens in the body, and

theoretically may increase the risk of prostate, breast, ovarian, and other

hormone-sensitive cancers. Therefore, it is not recommended for regular use

without supervision by a licensed health professional.

Everyone's hormone levels are different. Also age is a factor, and no one

should be playing around with this stuff unless they have a tremendous

amount of knowledge of how all of these things work individually and in

congunction with other things, especially on whatever condition or problem

a person may have.

Roni

venizia1948 <nelsonck@...> wrote:

That is one reason why I will not take DHEA because of the risk of

estrogen increasing and risk of breast cancer for one.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , weird Scientist

<weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

>

> Hi there,

>

> itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much

better than they have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental

Thyroid hormones are outta the system and my eyes kinda recovered from

whatever damage Armour did.

>

> Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i

heard might cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted

into Estrogen (i am MALE ..let's not get into that issue

again...lol)..thatz the reason I have been avoiding DHEA ..does it

help any of you?

>

> and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get

my adrenals in working condition before I give Armour another shot

(which might be another few months) ..

>

> what do u suggest?

>

> WS

>

> Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

> the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine

seems to be wondrous for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg

Iodoral, cortef and DHEA for adrenals, then add enough Armour. You

won't need Ambien and Valium.

> Gracia

>

> Gracia ,

> I understand where you are coming from, and take as little

pharmaceuticals as possible.

> I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien,

because with the fibromyalgia

> I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that

it was actually getting dangerous.

> I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have

Atrial Fibrillation and have to

> keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it!

>

> Roni

>

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>

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how do u find a Naturopath that knows about Adrenals, Joint Pain and

Glaucoma???...was trying to find one on www.naturopathic.org.... found a few

that dealt with Chronic Pain etc.

WS

Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote: The only

protocol you should be following right now is the one given to you

by a naturopath or allopath that is knowledgeable about your particular

conditions.

Treating yourself when you don't really understand what any of this is all

about

is VERY dangerous. Please seek the services of a doctor.

Roni

weird Scientist <weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

ok now not many people admitted to having vision problems on Armour

...a few people did ... but not as many as I expected to.

I am 28 years old ..have had joint pain since I was 14 ... and probably

glaucoma too (but just been diagnosed) ..history of asthma (stopped having

attacks a year before having Joint problems) ..

thatz what I thought abt Ioderal...

I was on it 1/2 mg for a week before I increased the dosage to 1.75 mg ..not

sure how often shud I be increasing the dosage?.. it sure makes my joints feel

wonderful..but I was following STTM's protocol.

WS

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

your dose of Armour was too low. the only damage done was being on too low a

dose. Lots of us have vision probs until we get enough thyroid hormone. How old

are you? If you have weak adrenals you will have probs with Iodoral too.

Therapeutic dose of Iodoral is 25mg 2X a day to start. It is a powerful

detoxifier, and also normalizes hormone levels and prevents sex organ cancers.

Gracia

Hi there,

itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much better than they

have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental Thyroid hormones are outta the

system and my eyes kinda recovered from whatever damage Armour did.

Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i heard might

cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted into Estrogen (i am

MALE ..let's not get into that issue again...lol)..thatz the reason I have been

avoiding DHEA ..does it help any of you?

and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get my adrenals

in working condition before I give Armour another shot (which might be another

few months) ..

what do u suggest?

WS

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine seems to be wondrous

for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg Iodoral, cortef and DHEA for

adrenals, then add enough Armour. You won't need Ambien and Valium.

Gracia

Gracia ,

I understand where you are coming from, and take as little pharmaceuticals as

possible.

I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien, because with the

fibromyalgia

I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that it was actually

getting dangerous.

I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have Atrial

Fibrillation and have to

keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it!

Roni

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exactly the reason why I didn't screw around with DHEA ... tried different Amino

Acids .. Ginseng..Ginkgo etc .... but never DHEA.

WS

Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

Safety

Methodology

Selected references

back to top

Background DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone) is an endogenous hormone (made

in the human body), and secreted by the adrenal gland. DHEA serves as precursor

to male and female sex hormones (androgens and estrogens). DHEA levels in the

body begin to decrease after age 30, and are reported to be low in some people

with anorexia, end-stage kidney disease, type 2 diabetes (non-insulin dependent

diabetes), AIDS, adrenal insufficiency, and in the critically ill. DHEA levels

may also be depleted by a number of drugs, including insulin, corticosteroids,

opiates, and danazol.

There is sufficient evidence supporting the use of DHEA in the treatment of

adrenal insufficiency, depression, induction of labor, and systemic lupus

erythematosus.

No studies on the long-term effects of DHEA have been conducted. DHEA can

cause higher than normal levels of androgens and estrogens in the body, and

theoretically may increase the risk of prostate, breast, ovarian, and other

hormone-sensitive cancers. Therefore, it is not recommended for regular use

without supervision by a licensed health professional.

Everyone's hormone levels are different. Also age is a factor, and no one

should be playing around with this stuff unless they have a tremendous

amount of knowledge of how all of these things work individually and in

congunction with other things, especially on whatever condition or problem

a person may have.

Roni

venizia1948 <nelsonck@...> wrote:

That is one reason why I will not take DHEA because of the risk of

estrogen increasing and risk of breast cancer for one.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , weird Scientist

<weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

>

> Hi there,

>

> itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much

better than they have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental

Thyroid hormones are outta the system and my eyes kinda recovered from

whatever damage Armour did.

>

> Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i

heard might cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted

into Estrogen (i am MALE ..let's not get into that issue

again...lol)..thatz the reason I have been avoiding DHEA ..does it

help any of you?

>

> and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get

my adrenals in working condition before I give Armour another shot

(which might be another few months) ..

>

> what do u suggest?

>

> WS

>

> Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

> the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine

seems to be wondrous for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg

Iodoral, cortef and DHEA for adrenals, then add enough Armour. You

won't need Ambien and Valium.

> Gracia

>

> Gracia ,

> I understand where you are coming from, and take as little

pharmaceuticals as possible.

> I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien,

because with the fibromyalgia

> I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that

it was actually getting dangerous.

> I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have

Atrial Fibrillation and have to

> keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it!

>

> Roni

>

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have what?????????????????

venizia1948 <nelsonck@...> wrote: Aha

and there you have it!

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Safety

> Methodology

> Selected references

>

> back to top

> Background DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone) is an endogenous

hormone (made in the human body), and secreted by the adrenal gland.

DHEA serves as precursor to male and female sex hormones (androgens

and estrogens). DHEA levels in the body begin to decrease after age

30, and are reported to be low in some people with anorexia, end-stage

kidney disease, type 2 diabetes (non-insulin dependent diabetes),

AIDS, adrenal insufficiency, and in the critically ill. DHEA levels

may also be depleted by a number of drugs, including insulin,

corticosteroids, opiates, and danazol.

> There is sufficient evidence supporting the use of DHEA in the

treatment of adrenal insufficiency, depression, induction of labor,

and systemic lupus erythematosus.

> No studies on the long-term effects of DHEA have been conducted.

DHEA can cause higher than normal levels of androgens and estrogens in

the body, and theoretically may increase the risk of prostate, breast,

ovarian, and other hormone-sensitive cancers. Therefore, it is not

recommended for regular use without supervision by a licensed health

professional.

>

>

> Everyone's hormone levels are different. Also age is a factor, and

no one

> should be playing around with this stuff unless they have a tremendous

> amount of knowledge of how all of these things work individually

and in

> congunction with other things, especially on whatever condition or

problem

> a person may have.

>

> Roni

>

> venizia1948 <nelsonck@...> wrote:

> That is one reason why I will not take DHEA because of the

risk of

> estrogen increasing and risk of breast cancer for one.

>

> Venizia

>

> -- In hypothyroidism , weird Scientist

> <weirdscientist78@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi there,

> >

> > itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much

> better than they have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental

> Thyroid hormones are outta the system and my eyes kinda recovered from

> whatever damage Armour did.

> >

> > Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i

> heard might cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted

> into Estrogen (i am MALE ..let's not get into that issue

> again...lol)..thatz the reason I have been avoiding DHEA ..does it

> help any of you?

> >

> > and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get

> my adrenals in working condition before I give Armour another shot

> (which might be another few months) ..

> >

> > what do u suggest?

> >

> > WS

> >

> > Gracia <circe@> wrote:

> > the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine

> seems to be wondrous for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg

> Iodoral, cortef and DHEA for adrenals, then add enough Armour. You

> won't need Ambien and Valium.

> > Gracia

> >

> > Gracia ,

> > I understand where you are coming from, and take as little

> pharmaceuticals as possible.

> > I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien,

> because with the fibromyalgia

> > I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that

> it was actually getting dangerous.

> > I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have

> Atrial Fibrillation and have to

> > keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it!

> >

> > Roni

> >

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The fact that DHEA can cause cancer in both men and women. Read the article

below.

Roni

weird Scientist <weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

have what?????????????????

venizia1948 <nelsonck@...> wrote: Aha and there you have it!

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Safety

> Methodology

> Selected references

>

> back to top

> Background DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone) is an endogenous

hormone (made in the human body), and secreted by the adrenal gland.

DHEA serves as precursor to male and female sex hormones (androgens

and estrogens). DHEA levels in the body begin to decrease after age

30, and are reported to be low in some people with anorexia, end-stage

kidney disease, type 2 diabetes (non-insulin dependent diabetes),

AIDS, adrenal insufficiency, and in the critically ill. DHEA levels

may also be depleted by a number of drugs, including insulin,

corticosteroids, opiates, and danazol.

> There is sufficient evidence supporting the use of DHEA in the

treatment of adrenal insufficiency, depression, induction of labor,

and systemic lupus erythematosus.

> No studies on the long-term effects of DHEA have been conducted.

DHEA can cause higher than normal levels of androgens and estrogens in

the body, and theoretically may increase the risk of prostate, breast,

ovarian, and other hormone-sensitive cancers. Therefore, it is not

recommended for regular use without supervision by a licensed health

professional.

>

>

> Everyone's hormone levels are different. Also age is a factor, and

no one

> should be playing around with this stuff unless they have a tremendous

> amount of knowledge of how all of these things work individually

and in

> congunction with other things, especially on whatever condition or

problem

> a person may have.

>

> Roni

>

> venizia1948 <nelsonck@...> wrote:

> That is one reason why I will not take DHEA because of the

risk of

> estrogen increasing and risk of breast cancer for one.

>

> Venizia

>

> -- In hypothyroidism , weird Scientist

> <weirdscientist78@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi there,

> >

> > itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much

> better than they have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental

> Thyroid hormones are outta the system and my eyes kinda recovered from

> whatever damage Armour did.

> >

> > Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i

> heard might cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted

> into Estrogen (i am MALE ..let's not get into that issue

> again...lol)..thatz the reason I have been avoiding DHEA ..does it

> help any of you?

> >

> > and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get

> my adrenals in working condition before I give Armour another shot

> (which might be another few months) ..

> >

> > what do u suggest?

> >

> > WS

> >

> > Gracia <circe@> wrote:

> > the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine

> seems to be wondrous for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg

> Iodoral, cortef and DHEA for adrenals, then add enough Armour. You

> won't need Ambien and Valium.

> > Gracia

> >

> > Gracia ,

> > I understand where you are coming from, and take as little

> pharmaceuticals as possible.

> > I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien,

> because with the fibromyalgia

> > I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that

> it was actually getting dangerous.

> > I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have

> Atrial Fibrillation and have to

> > keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it!

> >

> > Roni

> >

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> > on healthy eating.

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I completely disagree. I don't think these things are terrifying and

dangerous and only a doctor can tell us what to do. If that were the case I

would be 6 feet under by now. Once you know how to use this stuff, it isn't

scary or hard to understand.

Is WS taking Armour now? that's what I can't figure out.

Gracia

The only protocol you should be following right now is the one given to you

by a naturopath or allopath that is knowledgeable about your particular

conditions.

Treating yourself when you don't really understand what any of this is all

about

is VERY dangerous. Please seek the services of a doctor.

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Tell us where you live, an I'll try to ffind a list of doctors ffor you. If you

like you can email me directly.

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weird Scientist <weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

how do u find a Naturopath that knows about Adrenals, Joint Pain and

Glaucoma???...was trying to find one on www.naturopathic.org.... found a few

that dealt with Chronic Pain etc.

WS

Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote: The only protocol you should be

following right now is the one given to you

by a naturopath or allopath that is knowledgeable about your particular

conditions.

Treating yourself when you don't really understand what any of this is all about

is VERY dangerous. Please seek the services of a doctor.

Roni

weird Scientist <weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

ok now not many people admitted to having vision problems on Armour ..a few

people did ... but not as many as I expected to.

I am 28 years old ..have had joint pain since I was 14 ... and probably glaucoma

too (but just been diagnosed) ..history of asthma (stopped having attacks a year

before having Joint problems) ..

thatz what I thought abt Ioderal...

I was on it 1/2 mg for a week before I increased the dosage to 1.75 mg ..not

sure how often shud I be increasing the dosage?.. it sure makes my joints feel

wonderful..but I was following STTM's protocol.

WS

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

your dose of Armour was too low. the only damage done was being on too low a

dose. Lots of us have vision probs until we get enough thyroid hormone. How old

are you? If you have weak adrenals you will have probs with Iodoral too.

Therapeutic dose of Iodoral is 25mg 2X a day to start. It is a powerful

detoxifier, and also normalizes hormone levels and prevents sex organ cancers.

Gracia

Hi there,

itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much better than they

have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental Thyroid hormones are outta the

system and my eyes kinda recovered from whatever damage Armour did.

Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i heard might

cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted into Estrogen (i am

MALE ..let's not get into that issue again...lol)..thatz the reason I have been

avoiding DHEA ..does it help any of you?

and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get my adrenals

in working condition before I give Armour another shot (which might be another

few months) ..

what do u suggest?

WS

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

the A-fib and fibro are really adrenal related. And iodine seems to be wondrous

for sleep. Best treatment IMHO is at least 50mg Iodoral, cortef and DHEA for

adrenals, then add enough Armour. You won't need Ambien and Valium.

Gracia

Gracia ,

I understand where you are coming from, and take as little pharmaceuticals as

possible.

I take the Thyrolar, all kinds of supplements, and Ambien, because with the

fibromyalgia

I just don't sleep, period. I was getting so little sleep, that it was actually

getting dangerous.

I don't take pain pills, even though I am in pain 24/7. I have Atrial

Fibrillation and have to

keep Valium on hand in case I get an attack. That's it!

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If you read my post again, Gracia, I said that if you don't know what you are

doing,

and obviously he doesn't. In that case, yes it is dangerous and scary and he

shouldn't

be playing with things he doesn't understand. He would have to do a ton of

research

and have a way of analyzing what is real and what is not. He does not have the

capacity

for this at this time.

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Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

I completely disagree. I don't think these things are terrifying and dangerous

and only a doctor can tell us what to do. If that were the case I would be 6

feet under by now. Once you know how to use this stuff, it isn't scary or hard

to understand.

Is WS taking Armour now? that's what I can't figure out.

Gracia

The only protocol you should be following right now is the one given to you

by a naturopath or allopath that is knowledgeable about your particular

conditions.

Treating yourself when you don't really understand what any of this is all about

is VERY dangerous. Please seek the services of a doctor.

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No Gracia... I tried it for 2 weeks and stopped it two weeks ago...

u went from 90 to 240 mg in one week???.. thatz scary and not mentioned in the

STTM or any other site for that matter.

maybe u have better functioning adrenals ..even so, 90 to 240 in one week is

tooooo much!

WS

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

I completely disagree. I don't think these things are terrifying and

dangerous and only a doctor can tell us what to do. If that were the case I

would be 6 feet under by now. Once you know how to use this stuff, it isn't

scary or hard to understand.

Is WS taking Armour now? that's what I can't figure out.

Gracia

The only protocol you should be following right now is the one given to you

by a naturopath or allopath that is knowledgeable about your particular

conditions.

Treating yourself when you don't really understand what any of this is all

about

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DHEA is recommended by Thierry Hertoghe when taking cortef. He explains how

it should be used. DHEA has helped me enormously. In fact all holistic doc use

it---allopaths don't.

Gracia

The fact that DHEA can cause cancer in both men and women. Read the article

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Here is some more info for you on naturopaths.

Roni

Florida Naturopathic Doctors

---------------------------------

Clapham, ND

CENTER FOR NATURAL & INTEGRATIVE MEDICINE

6651 Vineland Rd Ste 150

Orlando, Florida 32819

Phone: (407) 355-9246

EM: doctorlizzie[at]earthlink.net

, ND

13312 Swallowtail Dr

Bradenton, Florida 34202

Phone: (941) 755-1646

EM: michelleclark[at]tampabay.rr.com

Areas of Emphasis: Attention Deficit Disorder, Botanical Medicine,

Cardiovascular Disease, Chronic Fatigue, Clinical Nutrition, Diabetes, Family

Practice, Infectious Disease, Women's Health

Clements, ND

AURORA THERAPEUTICS, INC

3131 S. Tamiami Trail

suite 206

Sarasota, Florida 34239

Phone: 941-951-6820 Fax: 941-951-6821

EM: drclementsnd[at]aol.com

Areas of Emphasis: Attention Deficit Disorder, Botanical Medicine, Chronic

Fatigue, Counseling, Environmental Medicine, Family Practice, Homeopathy,

Massage, Women's Health

P Constantine, ND

1900 South Olive

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Phone: 561.540.1429 Fax: 561.540.1429

EM: curecare[at]bellsouth.net

Website: www.curecare.net

Areas of Emphasis: Botanical Medicine, Cancer, Clinical Nutrition, Family

Practice, Homeopathy, Orthomolecular Medicine, Women's Health

D', ND

HOLISTIC OPTIONS

635 Primera Blvd. Suite 101

Lake , Florida 32746

Phone: (407) 333-1059 Fax: (407) 333-4781

OSTEOPATHIC WELLNESS CENTER

634 N Semoran Blvd

Orlando, Florida 32807

Phone: (407) 380 7799 Fax: (407) 380 8863

Areas of Emphasis: Attention Deficit Disorder, Botanical Medicine, Cancer,

Cardiovascular Disease, Chronic Fatigue, Clinical Nutrition, Counseling,

Diabetes, Environmental Medicine, Homeopathy, Hydrotherapy, Neurological

Diseases, Orthomolecular Medicine, Women's Health

Gannon, ND

ASPEN NATUROPATHIC

430 W. Main St.

Aspen, Colorado 81611

Phone: (970) 920-7644

MIAMI NATUROPATHIC

40 Island Ave.

Maimi Beach, Florida 33139

Phone: (970) 920-7644

EM: naturedr[at]hotmail.com

Areas of Emphasis: AIDS, Botanical Medicine, Cancer, Chronic Fatigue, Clinical

Nutrition, Counseling, Environmental Medicine, Family Practice, Homeopathy,

Hydrotherapy, Infectious Disease, Massage, Pediatrics, Women's Health

Geldner, ND

I.W LANE COLLEGE

445 North Wymore Road

Winter Park, Florida 32789

Phone: 407 629 6998 Fax: 407 629 6994

EM: rgeldner[at]

Joan Hedges, ND

230 N. Country Club Dr.

Crystal River, Florida 34429

Phone: (352) 563-0735 Fax: (352) 795-3350

EM: jhedges[at]tampabay.rr.com

Kirti Kalidas, ND

THE CENTER FOR NATURAL & INTEGRATIVE MEDICINE

6651 Vineland Road Suite 150

Orlando, Florida 32819

Phone: (407) 355-9246 Fax: (407) 370-4774

EM: kmpkal[at]aol.com

Streisfeld, BS, NMD

PERSONAL HEALTH DESIGN, INC

HOLLYWOOD, Florida 33019

Phone: 800-708-6908 Fax: (602) 532-7505

PERSONAL HEALTH DESIGN, INC

BEVERLY HILLS, California 90212

Phone: 800-708-6908 Fax: 602-532-7505

EM: info[at]phdunlimited.com

Website: www.phdunlimited.com

Areas of Emphasis: Clinical Nutrition, Counseling

Visconti, BS, LAc, MSOM, ND

VISCONTI ACUPUNCTURE & NATURAL MEDICINE

720 West Montrose Street

Clermont, Florida 34711

Phone: 352-241-7581 Fax: 352-241-7582

EM: info[at]docvisconti.com

Website: www.docvisconti.com

Areas of Emphasis: Acupuncture, Botanical Medicine, Cardiovascular Disease,

Chronic Fatigue, Clinical Nutrition, Diabetes, Pain Management, Women's Health

weird Scientist <weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

No Gracia... I tried it for 2 weeks and stopped it two weeks ago...

u went from 90 to 240 mg in one week???.. thatz scary and not mentioned in the

STTM or any other site for that matter.

maybe u have better functioning adrenals ..even so, 90 to 240 in one week is

tooooo much!

WS

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

I completely disagree. I don't think these things are terrifying and dangerous

and only a doctor can tell us what to do. If that were the case I would be 6

feet under by now. Once you know how to use this stuff, it isn't scary or hard

to understand.

Is WS taking Armour now? that's what I can't figure out.

Gracia

The only protocol you should be following right now is the one given to you

by a naturopath or allopath that is knowledgeable about your particular

conditions.

Treating yourself when you don't really understand what any of this is all about

is VERY dangerous. Please seek the services of a doctor.

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yes I did find those doctors earlier but they don't seem to specialise in

Glaucoma or Ophthalmology for that matter. ... know what I mean ?

WS

Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote: Here is

some more info for you on naturopaths.

Roni

Florida Naturopathic Doctors

---------------------------------

Clapham, ND

CENTER FOR NATURAL & INTEGRATIVE MEDICINE

6651 Vineland Rd Ste 150

Orlando, Florida 32819

Phone: (407) 355-9246

EM: doctorlizzie[at]earthlink.net

, ND

13312 Swallowtail Dr

Bradenton, Florida 34202

Phone: (941) 755-1646

EM: michelleclark[at]tampabay.rr.com

Areas of Emphasis: Attention Deficit Disorder, Botanical Medicine,

Cardiovascular Disease, Chronic Fatigue, Clinical Nutrition, Diabetes, Family

Practice, Infectious Disease, Women's Health

Clements, ND

AURORA THERAPEUTICS, INC

3131 S. Tamiami Trail

suite 206

Sarasota, Florida 34239

Phone: 941-951-6820 Fax: 941-951-6821

EM: drclementsnd[at]aol.com

Areas of Emphasis: Attention Deficit Disorder, Botanical Medicine, Chronic

Fatigue, Counseling, Environmental Medicine, Family Practice, Homeopathy,

Massage, Women's Health

P Constantine, ND

1900 South Olive

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Phone: 561.540.1429 Fax: 561.540.1429

EM: curecare[at]bellsouth.net

Website: www.curecare.net

Areas of Emphasis: Botanical Medicine, Cancer, Clinical Nutrition, Family

Practice, Homeopathy, Orthomolecular Medicine, Women's Health

D', ND

HOLISTIC OPTIONS

635 Primera Blvd. Suite 101

Lake , Florida 32746

Phone: (407) 333-1059 Fax: (407) 333-4781

OSTEOPATHIC WELLNESS CENTER

634 N Semoran Blvd

Orlando, Florida 32807

Phone: (407) 380 7799 Fax: (407) 380 8863

Areas of Emphasis: Attention Deficit Disorder, Botanical Medicine, Cancer,

Cardiovascular Disease, Chronic Fatigue, Clinical Nutrition, Counseling,

Diabetes, Environmental Medicine, Homeopathy, Hydrotherapy, Neurological

Diseases, Orthomolecular Medicine, Women's Health

Gannon, ND

ASPEN NATUROPATHIC

430 W. Main St.

Aspen, Colorado 81611

Phone: (970) 920-7644

MIAMI NATUROPATHIC

40 Island Ave.

Maimi Beach, Florida 33139

Phone: (970) 920-7644

EM: naturedr[at]hotmail.com

Areas of Emphasis: AIDS, Botanical Medicine, Cancer, Chronic Fatigue, Clinical

Nutrition, Counseling, Environmental Medicine, Family Practice, Homeopathy,

Hydrotherapy, Infectious Disease, Massage, Pediatrics, Women's Health

Geldner, ND

I.W LANE COLLEGE

445 North Wymore Road

Winter Park, Florida 32789

Phone: 407 629 6998 Fax: 407 629 6994

EM: rgeldner[at]

Joan Hedges, ND

230 N. Country Club Dr.

Crystal River, Florida 34429

Phone: (352) 563-0735 Fax: (352) 795-3350

EM: jhedges[at]tampabay.rr.com

Kirti Kalidas, ND

THE CENTER FOR NATURAL & INTEGRATIVE MEDICINE

6651 Vineland Road Suite 150

Orlando, Florida 32819

Phone: (407) 355-9246 Fax: (407) 370-4774

EM: kmpkal[at]aol.com

Streisfeld, BS, NMD

PERSONAL HEALTH DESIGN, INC

HOLLYWOOD, Florida 33019

Phone: 800-708-6908 Fax: (602) 532-7505

PERSONAL HEALTH DESIGN, INC

BEVERLY HILLS, California 90212

Phone: 800-708-6908 Fax: 602-532-7505

EM: info[at]phdunlimited.com

Website: www.phdunlimited.com

Areas of Emphasis: Clinical Nutrition, Counseling

Visconti, BS, LAc, MSOM, ND

VISCONTI ACUPUNCTURE & NATURAL MEDICINE

720 West Montrose Street

Clermont, Florida 34711

Phone: 352-241-7581 Fax: 352-241-7582

EM: info[at]docvisconti.com

Website: www.docvisconti.com

Areas of Emphasis: Acupuncture, Botanical Medicine, Cardiovascular Disease,

Chronic Fatigue, Clinical Nutrition, Diabetes, Pain Management, Women's Health

weird Scientist <weirdscientist78@...> wrote:

No Gracia... I tried it for 2 weeks and stopped it two weeks ago...

u went from 90 to 240 mg in one week???.. thatz scary and not mentioned in the

STTM or any other site for that matter.

maybe u have better functioning adrenals ..even so, 90 to 240 in one week is

tooooo much!

WS

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

I completely disagree. I don't think these things are terrifying and dangerous

and only a doctor can tell us what to do. If that were the case I would be 6

feet under by now. Once you know how to use this stuff, it isn't scary or hard

to understand.

Is WS taking Armour now? that's what I can't figure out.

Gracia

The only protocol you should be following right now is the one given to you

by a naturopath or allopath that is knowledgeable about your particular

conditions.

Treating yourself when you don't really understand what any of this is all

about

is VERY dangerous. Please seek the services of a doctor.

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The point is that all of these things interract with each other. I don't have an

objection

to aphysician who has done the proper amount of learning and is acredited

prescribing

these things, but not someone who doesn't have all the information as to

everything

these hormones can do alone or in combination.

Roni

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

DHEA is recommended by Thierry Hertoghe when taking cortef. He explains how it

should be used. DHEA has helped me enormously. In fact all holistic doc use

it---allopaths don't.

Gracia

The fact that DHEA can cause cancer in both men and women. Read the article

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I think you might be confusing allopathic drugs with hormones!!

where are you going to find a doc who knows about hormones? there are some

but they are the holistic ones. my doc depends upon the compounding

pharmacist for info.

I don't think we have to be fearful of OTC DHEA. we can educate ourselves

with Hertoghe's book and Dr. Lam's site.

Gracia

The point is that all of these things interract with each other. I don't have

an objection

to aphysician who has done the proper amount of learning and is acredited

prescribing

these things, but not someone who doesn't have all the information as to

everything

these hormones can do alone or in combination.

Roni

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

DHEA is recommended by Thierry Hertoghe when taking cortef. He explains how it

should be used. DHEA has helped me enormously. In fact all holistic doc use

it---allopaths don't.

Gracia

The fact that DHEA can cause cancer in both men and women. Read the article

below.

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No I am not. Hormones can be as dangerous when used incorrectly as drugs.

Naturopathic doctors know about hormones, and so do allopathic ones that

are good.

Roni

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

I think you might be confusing allopathic drugs with hormones!!

where are you going to find a doc who knows about hormones? there are some but

they are the holistic ones. my doc depends upon the compounding pharmacist for

info.

I don't think we have to be fearful of OTC DHEA. we can educate ourselves with

Hertoghe's book and Dr. Lam's site.

Gracia

The point is that all of these things interract with each other. I don't have an

objection

to aphysician who has done the proper amount of learning and is acredited

prescribing

these things, but not someone who doesn't have all the information as to

everything

these hormones can do alone or in combination.

Roni

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

DHEA is recommended by Thierry Hertoghe when taking cortef. He explains how it

should be used. DHEA has helped me enormously. In fact all holistic doc use

it---allopaths don't.

Gracia

The fact that DHEA can cause cancer in both men and women. Read the article

below.

Roni

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Other people here might say something different but I'm almost certain that

you aren't supposed to just start taking DHEA ... you have to get bloodwork

done and see if you are low. And armour bothered your eyes? What was your

bloodwork numbers that said you have hypoT? It's really dangerous to just mess

around with these things. Iodine is really controversial right now so that's

kinda

up to you.

Hi there,

itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much better than

they have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental Thyroid hormones are

outta the system and my eyes kinda recovered from whatever damage Armour did.

Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i heard might

cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted into Estrogen (i am

MALE ..let's not get into that issue again...lol)Now, I want to try Ioderal

and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i heard

and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get my

adrenals in working condition before I give Armour another shot (which might be

another few months) ..

what do u suggest?

WS

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Gracia-

Yeah my eyes are really sensitive to what dosage I am on. If it is too low my

eyes bother me, and if it is too high my eyes bother me too. It can be hard

for me to determine sometimes whether to increase or decrease meds.

your dose of Armour was too low. the only damage done was being on too low a

dose. Lots of us have vision probs until we get enough thyroid hormone. How

old are you? If you have weak adrenals you will have probs with Iodoral too.

Therapeutic dose of Iodoral is 25mg 2X a day to start. It is a powerful

detoxifier, and also normalizes hormone levels and prevents sex organ cancers.

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Dr. Durrant Peatfield writes about DHEA being an indicator of adrenal

insufficiency. I forget what his book title is but you can google him. High or

low DHEA will be an indicator that adrenal glands are shot.

Will your doc know this??? or will he tell you you are fine???

Gracia

Other people here might say something different but I'm almost certain that

you aren't supposed to just start taking DHEA ... you have to get bloodwork

done and see if you are low. And armour bothered your eyes? What was your

bloodwork numbers that said you have hypoT? It's really dangerous to just mess

around with these things. Iodine is really controversial right now so that's

kinda

up to you.

Hi there,

itz been 2 weeks since I stopped Armour..my eyes are much much better than

they have been in a while ..guess all the supplemental Thyroid hormones are

outta the system and my eyes kinda recovered from whatever damage Armour did.

Now, I want to try Ioderal and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i heard might

cause all kindsa problems if Testosterone gets converted into Estrogen (i am

MALE ..let's not get into that issue again...lol)Now, I want to try Ioderal

and DHEA(and HC if i can) ..but DHEA i heard

and how abt Ioderal...I want to try those supplements first and get my

adrenals in working condition before I give Armour another shot (which might

be

another few months) ..

what do u suggest?

WS

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