Re: Increasing antibody levels

[Guest guest]

Diane,

You wrote:

> ... Does anyone have info that would explain an increase in

> antibodies while I am treating the symptoms? I would have hoped for

> the antibody levels to drop, not increase. ...

Any thyroid hormone medication, or other iodine supplement, can

stimulate antibody production. Once your dosage stabilizes, the

autoimmune attack will likely subside.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

I am not sure about the thyroid problem except to say that my antibodies tests

were in the

200's. I was taking Armour which my doctor took me off of starting last Monday

until the

beginning of June. My numbers were way to high. T3 total (range .051 - 1.65)

Mine was

3.54. My tsh was 0.03 (ranges 0.32 - 5.0) My Free T4 was 3.6 (ranges 0.8-2.2)

and I was

having breathing problems and very fast pulse rate. He wants to put me on beta

blockers

to slow down my heart. I asked why not just decrease my meds? I didn't have

this

problem before I started taking that much. I am very frustrated.

I am seeing a cardiologist this Thurs. Maybe I'll get some better answer from

him. I am

very disenchanted with the doctors today.

One would think if your antibodies are increasing, you would need to take more

but your

tsh says you are getting too much.

The Vitamin D I do know something about. I take a prescription of Vitamin D

50,000 units

every two months. It has helped. My level was 18 it is now 47. Reference

range is 15

-60pg/mL. Maybe you are not absorbing the synthetic form of D. I would ask

your doctor

for a presciption.

Good luck to you. This is a very puzzling disease and there does not seem to be

any easy

answers.

Venizia

>

> Hello group,

> I " apparently " have Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, and have been on Armour

> thyroid for 3 1/2 years now, gradually increasing dosage to my current

> intake of 120 mg. When I began this process, my thyroid antibodies

> (TPO test, or Thyroid Peroxidase) were at 70. They are currently at

> 1215 (panic). Does anyone have info that would explain an increase in

> antibodies while I am treating the symptoms? I would have hoped for

> the antibody levels to drop, not increase. Could it be because I am

> still not high enough on Armour dosage (basal body temp is still low,

> but TSH tested last week is .007)?

>

> I have also had great difficulty in getting and keeping Vitamin D

> levels up. I took Carlson's (1,200 - 1,500 IU daily) for a year with

> no increase, then switched to a concentrated food form (Cataplex D

> from Standard Process, 1,200 IU daily)with temporary improvement that

> has now declined. The only thing that has brought me up to healthy

> levels is the synthetic ergocalciferol (50,000 IU) that I don't like

> to take. Sun exposure is a problem, as I live in the Pacific NW, but I

> look forward to soaking in the rays as the summer months arrive. Last

> August was the only time I tested normal for Vitamin D, in spite of

> ingesting over 1,200 IU daily. Am I destined to ingest the synthetic

> stuff every autumn, winter, and spring?

>

> Thanks for any suggestions, especially on the thyroid issues.

> Diane

>

[Guest guest]

> Chuck wrote:

> Any thyroid hormone medication, or other iodine supplement, can

> stimulate antibody production. Once your dosage stabilizes, the

> autoimmune attack will likely subside.

>

> Chuck

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Jackie's question:

Chuck,

I have been trying to figure this out. I have iodine supplements in

the cabinet, but

haven't taken it. I have high antibodies and remember hearing

somewhere that people with antibodies should not take iodine.

Is this correct?

Thanks, Jackie

[Guest guest]

Hi

No I don't take Armour - don't think one can get it here in South Africa. I

am on Eltroxin (T4) and Tertroxin (T3) - these are the equivalent British

medications for the synthetic Synthroid and Cytomel in the US I believe.

Wishing you all well.

Nora

---------------------------------

Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

[Guest guest]

you might want to check out iodine

ppl there are reporting that ENOUGH iodine/iodide (mgs, not mcgs) lowers

antibodies to undectable levels.

http://www.helpmythyroid.com

Gracia

> Chuck wrote:

> Any thyroid hormone medication, or other iodine supplement, can

> stimulate antibody production. Once your dosage stabilizes, the

> autoimmune attack will likely subside.

>

> Chuck

*******************************************

Jackie's question:

Chuck,

I have been trying to figure this out. I have iodine supplements in

the cabinet, but

haven't taken it. I have high antibodies and remember hearing

somewhere that people with antibodies should not take iodine.

Is this correct?

Thanks, Jackie

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

You wrote:

>

> ...I have high antibodies and remember hearing

> somewhere that people with antibodies should not take iodine.

>

> Is this correct?

I would not take iodine supplements even without the presence of

antibodies, but with them, you are at risk of intensifying the

autoimmune attack. If that happens, it will indeed make things worse, at

least in the short term.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

this is totally wrong, no kidding. I think you are talking about low dose

iodine, which is aggravating.

Gracia

Jackie,

You wrote:

>

> ...I have high antibodies and remember hearing

> somewhere that people with antibodies should not take iodine.

>

> Is this correct?

I would not take iodine supplements even without the presence of

antibodies, but with them, you are at risk of intensifying the

autoimmune attack. If that happens, it will indeed make things worse, at

least in the short term.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Gracia wrote:

>

> this is totally wrong, no kidding. I think you are talking about low

> dose iodine, which is aggravating.

As you may have gathered, Gracia and I have a difference of opinion on

the efficacy and safety of iodine, particularly in large doses. I also

don't think doctors are wary of it, because of a conspiracy between the

pharmacy companies and the federal government. Instead, there is rather

well documented evidence of iodine toxicity in some people at about 1 mg

per day. Obviously, this varies greatly, since Gracia takes a lot more

than this.

Also, magnesium is a readily ionized element, just like sodium or

potassium. It really should not matter what it is paired with in an

ionic compound, citrate or stearate. This might influence stability or

solubility, but basically you are getting Mg++ ions with either form.

Once it is in your system, the ions are quite disparate from the

original anions.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Thanks to all who responded to my questions. I am seeing a new

naturopath tomorrow, and hopefully she can help sort this all out for

me. Your responses were interesting, but I'm just as confused as

ever! I'll let you know if she enlightens me...and if it helps.

Sincerely,

" Auto-immune " and " Low-D " Diane

[Guest guest]

Keep us up to date Daine, I am trying to learn as much as possible.

best of luck,

Jackie

On May 23, 2007, at 12:12 AM, bendktr wrote:

> Thanks to all who responded to my questions. I am seeing a new

> naturopath tomorrow, and hopefully she can help sort this all out for

> me. Your responses were interesting, but I'm just as confused as

> ever! I'll let you know if she enlightens me...and if it helps.

>

> Sincerely,

> " Auto-immune " and " Low-D " Diane

>

[Guest guest]

In an iodine deficient person, 1mg may be very aggravating. I felt very sick

on less than 50mg.

Gracia

Gracia wrote:

>

> this is totally wrong, no kidding. I think you are talking about low

> dose iodine, which is aggravating.

As you may have gathered, Gracia and I have a difference of opinion on

the efficacy and safety of iodine, particularly in large doses. I also

don't think doctors are wary of it, because of a conspiracy between the

pharmacy companies and the federal government. Instead, there is rather

well documented evidence of iodine toxicity in some people at about 1 mg

per day. Obviously, this varies greatly, since Gracia takes a lot more

than this.

Also, magnesium is a readily ionized element, just like sodium or

potassium. It really should not matter what it is paired with in an

ionic compound, citrate or stearate. This might influence stability or

solubility, but basically you are getting Mg++ ions with either form.

Once it is in your system, the ions are quite disparate from the

original anions.

Chuck

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