Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Thank you so much for all you do and share. I read the msgs and site and have been following the diet for 4 months. I've experienced lots of die off and three weeks ago a major crisis that has left my colon painful and all the abdominal muscles inflammed. I have pinpoint pain in my lower right quadrant and am beginning to suspect a cyst or something. I'm down to 90 lbs and am basically a skeleton. My husband is beginning to freak out and insisting I go to a dtr and do some diagnostic work. I'm resisting and dealing with the pain. He is wondering at the cost of the healing as I am weak, fragile, in pain and barely moving. Even my hair and scalp hurts. I see the healing but also am backing off the clove oil as the symptoms become too much and I am not functioning. I've done coffee and pau enemas, helpful but irritating to the functioning of the colon. How do I balance all this? I've had ovarian cysts before and have ridden them out. What would a dtr recommend? How do I keep on some weight? I don't tolerate butter yet and am up to almost 3 T. coconut oil a day. I am determined to kick this thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 The one that says herpes on it might be useful alongside the gumline for a few minutes, like 10, or the " godzilla " used on the cheeks for 30 min or so. Reverse electrode positions every 5 minutes. Please post results of your research. bG > > I woke up this morning with a painful molar and swelling in my jaw and gum relative to the root. I've been pampering this tooth for over a year, following the refilling of an old cavity, and trying to avoid a root canal. > > I got out my Godzilla unit (purchased from V a year ago)-- and it's not working. I'm sure V will help me resolve this problem. In the meantime, I need to build something that will allow me to treat this tooth immediately. I saw the photos of the unit built to treat teeth, but there isn't any explanation accompanying it -- and it doesn't look like a 6-volt battery being used. > > Any help will be appreciated. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Bob -- did you even read my post? I don't know where to begin with this. The unit shown for teeth (in the photos section) -- is that a 6 volt battery? It looks like four AA's held together at the top with something? Can I use a 6-volt and rig it up with toothbrushes like you did in the photos? Six volts sounds like a lot. V's unit has three 9-volt batteries in it, which equals 27 volts, but I can only tolerate using it at *2* on the meter. So that's like 2 volts? Or does a milliamp meter even relate to volts? I know nothing about electricity. I will go look at the herpes unit -- but I don't have a home-made godzilla. I've been using one of V's. I do know about switching polarity. Thanks. MA From: baby_grand <no_reply > Sent: Sat, October 30, 2010 2:22:58 PMSubject: Re: Need guidance The one that says herpes on it might be useful alongside the gumline for a few minutes, like 10, or the "godzilla" used on the cheeks for 30 min or so. Reverse electrode positions every 5 minutes.Please post results of your research.bG>> I woke up this morning with a painful molar and swelling in my jaw and gum relative to the root. I've been pampering this tooth for over a year, following the refilling of an old cavity, and trying to avoid a root canal.> > I got out my Godzilla unit (purchased from V a year ago)-- and it's not working. I'm sure V will help me resolve this problem. In the meantime, I need to build something that will allow me to treat this tooth immediately. I saw the photos of the unit built to treat teeth, but there isn't any explanation accompanying it -- and it doesn't look like a 6-volt battery being used.> > Any help will be appreciated.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Well -- scratch my last post -- I just went and looked at the dental godzilla again, and it clearly is a 6-volt battery. Wonder what I looked at this morning that looked different. OK -- I'll try to figure out how to do this. I'm still worried about 6 volts straight. Incidentally -- I think on the herpes series of photos, it says specifically not to use a 9-volt battery. Why is that? MA From: baby_grand <no_reply > Sent: Sat, October 30, 2010 2:22:58 PMSubject: Re: Need guidance The one that says herpes on it might be useful alongside the gumline for a few minutes, like 10, or the "godzilla" used on the cheeks for 30 min or so. Reverse electrode positions every 5 minutes.Please post results of your research.bG>> I woke up this morning with a painful molar and swelling in my jaw and gum relative to the root. I've been pampering this tooth for over a year, following the refilling of an old cavity, and trying to avoid a root canal.> > I got out my Godzilla unit (purchased from V a year ago)-- and it's not working. I'm sure V will help me resolve this problem. In the meantime, I need to build something that will allow me to treat this tooth immediately. I saw the photos of the unit built to treat teeth, but there isn't any explanation accompanying it -- and it doesn't look like a 6-volt battery being used.> > Any help will be appreciated.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 marmar, If it's not working you might have a cracked tooth. Also, make sure the unit is still functioning correctly... is the meter still working? The battery might be weak or dead. You also might have an infection beyond the tooth in your jaw, another possibility. I'm assuming you are using the unit correctly placing the electrodes on either side of the tooth in question, letting it run for 3 -5 minutes then switching polarities and doing it again. Bob Need guidance >I woke up this morning with a painful molar and swelling in my jaw and gum >relative to the root. I've been pampering this tooth for over a year, >following the refilling of an old cavity, and trying to avoid a root canal. > > I got out my Godzilla unit (purchased from V a year ago)-- and it's not > working. I'm sure V will help me resolve this problem. In the meantime, > I need to build something that will allow me to treat this tooth > immediately. I saw the photos of the unit built to treat teeth, but there > isn't any explanation accompanying it -- and it doesn't look like a 6-volt > battery being used. > > Any help will be appreciated. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > FAQ (frequently asked questions)Please check the following before asking > questions that have already been answered. Our recorded answers are > likely to be better. > > HOW-T0 in PHOTOS menu group webpage. > SPECIFIC methods and TEST RESULTS in FILES menu group webpage > > At this point, our experiment is not a treatment substitute, so do not > abandon your normal medical care, or fail to seek competent medical > treatment from licensed practitioners. We are completely non-commercial. > By joining this group you agree to hold this group, including the > moderator, harmless for real or apparent mishaps or any damages stemming > from application (or misapplication) of the information. Results 8 years > of people using this are in our menu/files section. No serious side > effects have yet been reported, worst being mildly irriated skin from > overuse. But please use the information at your own risk. Our designs > aren't FDA approved or UL listed. TENS units delivering higher voltages > than our designs could ever deliver are already approved by FDA. > Best of luck, Baby_grand (bob luhrs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Well -- no need to respond to my questions. Necessity is the mother of invention, right? I woke up at 1:30 this morning in terrible pain, the lower left side of my face/jaw swollen and throbbing. Earlier in the day I had located a 6-volt battery in a flashlight, so as I lay in the dark knowing this wasn't going to get any better, I formulated my plan. I got up and dug out some supplies I had, and at 2:00 in the morning was sitting in the den building a home-made godzilla device. I cut the plug end off of the pads that came with the unit that I had bought from V, split the cord into two, cut the plastic covering off of the end 1" of each piece, and spliced the ends onto two small copper alligator clips. I dampened the pads with salt water, placed them on my face and jaw, attached the copper clips to the battery posts -- and let 'er rip! At that point, I didn't care if I burned off my jaw -- I was that miserable. But I did time the process, and every five minutes and switched the alligator clips to alternate battery posts. For about an hour. When done, I took two aspirins, drank a glass of Sprite and read for about an hour. By 4:30 this morning, I was comfortable enough to go back to bed and get a few hours sleep. When I woke this morning, I was completely comfortable and have only a little residual swelling on the inside of my mouth where the gum attaches to the inside of the cheek. Later this morning I'm going to do a second round of treatment, just to make sure that I've gotten all of the infection. So -- you asked me to post the results of my research. There you have it. And by the way, the sensation of electricity from the 6-volt battery was very minimal. Barely noticeable. MA P.S. I'm still going to build a set of electrodes with handles (like the toothbrushes) to be able to reach inside the mouth alongside the gumline. This will also work well for small, precise applications. From: baby_grand <no_reply > Sent: Sat, October 30, 2010 2:22:58 PMSubject: Re: Need guidance The one that says herpes on it might be useful alongside the gumline for a few minutes, like 10, or the "godzilla" used on the cheeks for 30 min or so. Reverse electrode positions every 5 minutes.Please post results of your research.bG>> I woke up this morning with a painful molar and swelling in my jaw and gum relative to the root. I've been pampering this tooth for over a year, following the refilling of an old cavity, and trying to avoid a root canal.> > I got out my Godzilla unit (purchased from V a year ago)-- and it's not working. I'm sure V will help me resolve this problem. In the meantime, I need to build something that will allow me to treat this tooth immediately. I saw the photos of the unit built to treat teeth, but there isn't any explanation accompanying it -- and it doesn't look like a 6-volt battery being used.> > Any help will be appreciated.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Thanks, Ann, yeah guess it's true that which does not kill us makes us stronger! I will gratefully record your results. You placed the electrodes exactly where? inside or outside the mouth? if placed inside they can leave a bit of skin irritation on the gum. This comes from the limitations of cloth to evenly spread out the current. They usually have one or two " hot spots " that can cause some skin problems, not reported as serious. but a small cloth electrode on skin is more irritating than a larger sponge over the whole area, I have found. But the small one direct on the gum will provide a higher kick and work very fast, which is what one wants under those conditions. Congratulations on your successes against the incurable! I'll take a look to be sure 9 volts is not specified. There was a gadget that used 9 volts plus a 1k ohm resistor, which tames it down to about 6 volts. I canned that idea myself since why not start out with 6? The 4 x 1.5 volts unit is in fact 6 volts, it is additive voltage. bG > > > > I woke up this morning with a painful molar and swelling in my jaw and gum > >relative to the root. I've been pampering this tooth for over a year, following > >the refilling of an old cavity, and trying to avoid a root canal. > > > > I got out my Godzilla unit (purchased from V a year ago)-- and it's not > >working. I'm sure V will help me resolve this problem. In the meantime, I need > >to build something that will allow me to treat this tooth immediately. I saw the > >photos of the unit built to treat teeth, but there isn't any explanation > >accompanying it -- and it doesn't look like a 6-volt battery being used. > > > > Any help will be appreciated. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Hi Bob. I was hoping you'd pop in here -- I can always count on you for good advice!! I don't think the tooth is cracked. If you remember, about a year ago I had all of my silver fillings replaced with composite. Found a good dentist who took all the precautions, and I followed your good advice regarding preparations and supplements, etc. The dentist, when he drilled in that molar, said that it was in good shape, no decay under the old silver filling, and he was happy as a clam with that refilling job. I was happy as a clam that I didn't need a root canal, etc. But that tooth has been touchy ever since. But nothing like what's gone on with it this weekend. I don't know what's going on with it, but thank God for Godzillas and this list because I was able to resolve the pain and swelling. As far as my original Godzilla unit from V is concerned -- it's just not working. I drove to town (40 miles round trip!) and bought new batteries -- and it didn't make an ounce of difference. The meter isn't working at all, and as far as I can tell, neither is the entire unit. I haven't heard from V yet -- I hope he's going to address this problem for me. I doubt that I've used the unit six times -- it's practically brand new -- and it's been well cared for. Wherever that infection is, the 6-volt reached it. I've been comfortable all day, and I can bite down hard on that tooth with no pain whatsoever. There was some residual swelling this morning, but that has disappeared as well. I *zilled* it again this afternoon, just for good measure -- and I may do it again this evening. I sure don't want a repetition of last night!! I'm so relieved that I have the knowledge gained here on this list. What does the rest of the world do? Thanks for your input Bob -- it's so appreciated!! Ann From: Bob Banever bbanever@... marmar,If it's not working you might have a cracked tooth. Also, make sure the unit is still functioning correctly... is the meter still working? The battery might be weak or dead. You also might have an infection beyond the tooth in your jaw, another possibility. I'm assuming you are using the unit correctly placing the electrodes on either side of the tooth in question, letting it run for 3 -5 minutes then switching polarities and doing it again.Bob Need guidance>I woke up this morning with a painful molar and swelling in my jaw and gum >relative to the root. I've been pampering this tooth for over a year, >following the refilling of an old cavity, and trying to avoid a root canal.>> I got out my Godzilla unit (purchased from V a year ago)-- and it's not > working. I'm sure V will help me resolve this problem. In the meantime, > I need to build something that will allow me to treat this tooth > immediately. I saw the photos of the unit built to treat teeth, but there > isn't any explanation accompanying it -- and it doesn't look like a 6-volt > battery being used.>> Any help will be appreciated.>>>> ------------------------------------>> FAQ (frequently asked questions)Please check the following before asking > questions that have already been answered. Our recorded answers are > likely to be better.>> HOW-T0 in PHOTOS menu group webpage.> SPECIFIC methods and TEST RESULTS in FILES menu group webpage>> At this point, our experiment is not a treatment substitute, so do not > abandon your normal medical care, or fail to seek competent medical > treatment from licensed practitioners. We are completely non-commercial. > By joining this group you agree to hold this group, including the > moderator, harmless for real or apparent mishaps or any damages stemming > from application (or misapplication) of the information. Results 8 years > of people using this are in our menu/files section. No serious side > effects have yet been reported, worst being mildly irriated skin from > overuse. But please use the information at your own risk. Our designs > aren't FDA approved or UL listed. TENS units delivering higher voltages > than our designs could ever deliver are already approved by FDA.> Best of luck, Baby_grand (bob luhrs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Hi bG! I placed the electrodes on the outside of my mouth. These are 1" square flat mole-skin type of pads. I placed one on my face -- lower jaw, directly above the most obvious source of pain, and the other on the underside of my jaw beneath that same area. I didn't have time today to make the toothbrush electrodes, but I intend to do so. I think this could have been addressed even more quickly if I could have placed the electrodes in the mouth directly on the gum. Under the circumstances, I used what I had and was grateful for it. Thanks for your help yesterday -- it was appreciated. MA From: baby_grand <no_reply > Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 1:19:26 PMSubject: Re: Need guidance Thanks, Ann, yeah guess it's true that which does not kill us makes us stronger! I will gratefully record your results.You placed the electrodes exactly where? inside or outside the mouth? if placed inside they can leave a bit of skin irritation on the gum. This comes from the limitations of cloth to evenly spread out the current. They usually have one or two "hot spots" that can cause some skin problems, not reported as serious. but a small cloth electrode on skin is more irritating than a larger sponge over the whole area, I have found. But the small one direct on the gum will provide a higher kick and work very fast, which is what one wants under those conditions.Congratulations on your successes against the incurable! :)I'll take a look to be sure 9 volts is not specified. There was a gadget that used 9 volts plus a 1k ohm resistor, which tames it down to about 6 volts. I canned that idea myself since why not start out with 6? The 4 x 1.5 volts unit is in fact 6 volts, it is additive voltage.bG> >> > I woke up this morning with a painful molar and swelling in my jaw and gum > >relative to the root. I've been pampering this tooth for over a year, following > >the refilling of an old cavity, and trying to avoid a root canal.> > > > I got out my Godzilla unit (purchased from V a year ago)-- and it's not > >working. I'm sure V will help me resolve this problem. In the meantime, I need > >to build something that will allow me to treat this tooth immediately. I saw the > >photos of the unit built to treat teeth, but there isn't any explanation > >accompanying it -- and it doesn't look like a 6-volt battery being used.> > > > Any help will be appreciated.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Ann, I too have V's machine. Mine stopped working because i would turn off the dial fast. This ruins the battery. So to avoid this, when you will switch polarity, turn the black dial very slowly stopping at every number for a few seconds til you get to off. This will save your battery. Also when testing the machine, make sure it electrodes are wet and touching your body. > > > > I woke up this morning with a painful molar and swelling in my jaw and gum > >relative to the root. I've been pampering this tooth for over a year, following > >the refilling of an old cavity, and trying to avoid a root canal. > > > > I got out my Godzilla unit (purchased from V a year ago)-- and it's not > >working. I'm sure V will help me resolve this problem. In the meantime, I need > >to build something that will allow me to treat this tooth immediately. I saw the > >photos of the unit built to treat teeth, but there isn't any explanation > >accompanying it -- and it doesn't look like a 6-volt battery being used. > > > > Any help will be appreciated. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Hi . Thanks for your response. I don't know if I turned the dial too fast or not, but I have replaced the batteries and the unit still doesn't work. Something is broken, somewhere. I'm waiting to hear from V about it. MA From: mellybag2000 <@...> Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 8:47:25 AMSubject: Re: Need guidance Ann,I too have V's machine. Mine stopped working because i would turn off the dial fast. This ruins the battery. So to avoid this, when you will switch polarity, turn the black dial very slowly stopping at every number for a few seconds til you get to off. This will save your battery. Also when testing the machine, make sure it electrodes are wet and touching your body.> >> > I woke up this morning with a painful molar and swelling in my jaw and gum > >relative to the root. I've been pampering this tooth for over a year, following > >the refilling of an old cavity, and trying to avoid a root canal.> > > > I got out my Godzilla unit (purchased from V a year ago)-- and it's not > >working. I'm sure V will help me resolve this problem. In the meantime, I need > >to build something that will allow me to treat this tooth immediately. I saw the > >photos of the unit built to treat teeth, but there isn't any explanation > >accompanying it -- and it doesn't look like a 6-volt battery being used.> > > > Any help will be appreciated.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 no, you're good to go. The thing should work in or outside. Inside it should only take about 5 minutes or less, since it is very strong. Dick Rochon pioneered this approach many years ago, and used it for I think 2 hours or so without ill effects. But it slams them much much faster than than. I will post this fact to your file.. Many thanks for the report, enjoy good health. The tooth may still need attention, but maybe not right away. My latest root canal I put off about 3 months before the poor tooth just fell apart. It had structural damage. bG > > > > > > I woke up this morning with a painful molar and swelling in my jaw and gum > > >relative to the root. I've been pampering this tooth for over a year, > >following > > > > >the refilling of an old cavity, and trying to avoid a root canal. > > > > > > I got out my Godzilla unit (purchased from V a year ago)-- and it's not > > >working. I'm sure V will help me resolve this problem. In the meantime, I need > > > > >to build something that will allow me to treat this tooth immediately. I saw > >the > > > > >photos of the unit built to treat teeth, but there isn't any explanation > > >accompanying it -- and it doesn't look like a 6-volt battery being used. > > > > > > Any help will be appreciated. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 What's happened to V? He hasn't posted in quite a while. Chuck Metaphors be with you. On 11/1/2010 11:06:21 AM, Ann Helland (marmar845@...) wrote: > Hi . Thanks for your response. I > don't know if I turned the dial too fast or not, but I have replaced the batteries and the unit still doesn't > work. Something is broken, somewhere. > I'm waiting to hear from V about it. > MA > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 And he hasn't responded to my email from last Saturday morning -- almost four days ago. MA From: "cking001@..." <cking001@...> Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 10:13:31 PMSubject: Re: Re: Need guidance What's happened to V?He hasn't posted in quite a while.ChuckMetaphors be with you.On 11/1/2010 11:06:21 AM, Ann Helland (marmar845@...)wrote:> Hi . Thanks for your response. I> don't know if I turned the dial too fast or not, but I have replaced the batteries and the unit still doesn't> work. Something is broken, somewhere.> I'm waiting to hear from V about it.> MA> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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