Re:One more thing about Eskimos... again

[Guest guest]

More to think about? Bee wrote this to me.

'The easiest foods for the body to digest are meats, eggs, and good

fats like I recommend, as compared to any and all carbs (any foods not

classified as protein or fat). Carbs require a lot of body resources

in order to digest and utilize them, while proteins and good fats do

not. Also 58% of protein and 10% of good fats turn into glucose

(inside the body) supplying all the glucose needed to maintain blood

sugar levels. This means you can be perfectly healthy on only meats and

good fats, and no carbs, just like the Eskimos. See this article

about a year long experiment done by V. Stefansson and his friend in

a hospital under doctor's supervision eating only 80% fats and 20%

meats. They were healthier after a year than before they started.

Also the Eskimos maintain perfect health on an all meat and fat diet. "

My understanding is:

1. The easiest food for the body to digest is ONLY eggs. Meat requires

a LOT of work.

2. Carbs are actually much easier to digest in the sense that they're

easy energy for the body, that's why humans started to cultivate the

land, they realized it was much easier to grow food that you could eat

in smaller quantities than it was to kill giant animals with enough

food to only sustain you for about a week or so.

3. Everything turns into glucose actually, and not in the percentages

suggested above.

4. She mentions the Eskimos, which are an exception. The reason for

this is that though they survive on what is basically an extreme

Atkins diet, they ALSO eat the organs and bones and eyes and such of

their food sources, which is how they get their vitamins and other

goodies. You WON'T get this by just eating meat and fat, thus you need

to supplement with vitamins if you don't eat enough organ meats, which

pretty much no one does in America because they think it's gross. Any

race that survives eating this way ALWAYS supplements with fruits and

leafy greens they find in the wild, the Eskimos are just lucky that

over centuries their people learned to eat organs to keep themselves

as healthy as possible. Plus, you can't really say if you eat like

them you'll be like them, because you won't, they've been eating that

way unchanged for centuries. This is why whenever they become

urbanized they gain weight so easily, their genetic make-ups are set

for diets like that and store fat very quickly.

5. They also get their sugars and stuff from eating animals in this

way, so if you're eating a high fat/protein diet that's recommended on

this diet, it's worthless without fruits and vegetables because it

doesn't say anything about organ meats, bones, eyes, etc.

>

> The book " Garden of Eating " has some data and statistics in the front

> about life span and health of native peoples.

> Anyway, perhaps life span is not the answer to diet but rather

> quality of life? And it does seem that nearly all of the peoples did

> seek out seafoods if possible and some carbohydrates when possible

(like

> the Eskimos looking for limited berries in summer and even seeking

carbs

> from animal intestines...) Of course they did also prize animal fat and

> organs, and it says they ate about 30% of their calories from fat.

> So ideally some carb eating is probably good even necessary ? but

> these are not people dealing with toxins and fungus etc, so a healing

> diet for us is a different story than a diet for people sheltered from

> modern menaces.

>

> Jenni Grant

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You make some interesting points, but I have a few questions for you,

which I have added below the points you made.

--- " foxforce18 " <foxforce18@...> wrote:

> 1. The easiest food for the body to digest is ONLY eggs. Meat

requires a LOT of work.

***It is unclear as to what you are referring to here. Could you

elaborate as to why you feel meat requires a lot of work to digest?

> 2. Carbs are actually much easier to digest in the sense that

they're easy energy for the body, that's why humans started to

cultivate the land, they realized it was much easier to grow food that

you could eat in smaller quantities than it was to kill giant animals

with enough food to only sustain you for about a week or so.

***That's an interesting point as to why humans began cultivating

land, but I don't see why that proves carbs are easier to digest? Yes

carbs are a quick source of energy, but with out being consumed with

fats and proteins, carbs can spike blood sugar levels and don't

provide the sustained energy that fats and proteins can. They might

be better at providing quick energy, but their impact on blood sugar

regulation takes a higher toll on the body then fat and protein

consumption.

> 3. Everything turns into glucose actually, and not in the

percentages suggested above.

***If " everything " turned into glucose, how would we get protein for

building muscle. And why are some proteins consider essential? Since

essential proteins mean we can not live with out them and our bodies

can't make them, how would we get them if everything turned into glucose?

> 4. She mentions the Eskimos, which are an exception. The reason for

this is that though they survive on what is basically an extreme

Atkins diet, they ALSO eat the organs and bones and eyes and such of

their food sources, which is how they get their vitamins and other

goodies. You WON'T get this by just eating meat and fat, thus you need

to supplement with vitamins if you don't eat enough organ meats, which

pretty much no one does in America because they think it's gross. Any

race that survives eating this way ALWAYS supplements with fruits and

leafy greens they find in the wild, the Eskimos are just lucky that

over centuries their people learned to eat organs to keep themselves

as healthy as possible. Plus, you can't really say if you eat like

them you'll be like them, because you won't, they've been eating that

way unchanged for centuries. This is why whenever they become

urbanized they gain weight so easily, their genetic make-ups are set

for diets like that and store fat very quickly.

***You are right about the nutrients from organs and such being

important. That is why on Bee's diet she recommends supplements to

balance out what a person would need if they don't eat those items.

Yes, some amount of vegetables and other carbs are ok under certain

conditions, but I think the reason why Bee points out the Eskimos is

to show that a *dependency* on carbs is not *necessary* for good

health. Her diet, though, doesn't even demand that all carbs are

eliminated, it only requires a reduction in carbs. Additionally Bee

never says that veggies and some carbs are bad, its just the higher

the carb content, the harder it is on people with candida. She even

says that certain carbs are ok, once far enough along on the diet. I

know Zack, the moderator, has mentioned how much he likes buckwheat

pancakes! " )

> 5. They also get their sugars and stuff from eating animals in this

way, so if you're eating a high fat/protein diet that's recommended on

this diet, it's worthless without fruits and vegetables because it

doesn't say anything about organ meats, bones, eyes, etc.

***Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you there. The diet is NOT

worthless with out fruit and veggies. The supplements Bee recommends

provide what would be missing with out the organ meats and such.

Additionally, did you read post number #44748, where posted

information on fructose, the sugar found in fruits? I am not saying

that fruits should never be consumed, but I think that especially for

people with candida, the cons of fruit definitely out weigh the pros.

Jecca

[Guest guest]

Hi Jecca,

I'm by all means no expert here just asking a few questions about the

various theories out there. I don't really know what to believe

anymore. My response is in $$$$.

> 1. The easiest food for the body to digest is ONLY eggs. Meat

> requires a LOT of work.

>

> ***It is unclear as to what you are referring to here. Could you

> elaborate as to why you feel meat requires a lot of work to digest?

$$$$ Here's some info I gathered. I read before that meats take more

energy to digest. More energy is required to digest meat than can be

obtained from the meat. This wears out the protein digestive organs,

and leads to stressful indigestion. Looking at a true carnivore –

like, say, that lion with his big sharp teeth -- we can see enormous

differences in their digestive tract. Specifically, the lion's small

intestine, where most of the nutrients are only about three times the

length of his body. This means that the meat he eats moves through his

system quickly, while it's still fresh.

Humans, however, have much, much longer intestines, with food taking

from 12 to 19 hours to pass through the digestive system. This is

ideal for plant-based foods, allowing our intestinal tracts to absorb

every little bit of nutrient available, but it also means that when we

eat meat it's decaying in a warm, moist environment for a very long

time. As it slowly rots in our guts, the decaying meat releases free

radicals into the body.

Free radicals are unstable oxygen molecules that are present to some

degree in every body. When you hear advertisements trumpeting the

importance of foods and supplements containing cancer-fighting

" anti-oxidents, " it's these free radicals that they're battling.

While they'll always be a part of you – free radicals are built in to

cells as part of their normal activities – you can do things to

minimize their damage. Too much sunlight in the form of excessive

tanning encourages the production of free radicals, which is why even

though a little sunlight is important each day. Using a good sunblock

will not only help you avoid skin cancers, it'll help keep you younger

in general. But the biggest thing you can do to limit the free

radicals in your body is to avoid eating meat. For the 12 hours or

more that meat is rotting away in your system, those tiny, free

radical time bombs are multiplying in your system.

Along with that, as meat protein breaks down it creates an enormous

amount of nitrogen-based by-products like urea and ammonia, which can

cause a build-up of uric acid. Too much uric acid in your body leads

to stiff, sore joints – and, when it crystallizes, can cause gout and

increased pain from arthritis. Carnivorous animals, interestingly,

produce a substance called uricase, which breaks down uric acid.

Humans don't produce uricase, though – another clue that we're not

meant to be meat-eaters.

When you eat meat, how much of it do you eat raw? Well, Mr. Lion eats

his raw, while its still brimming with enzymes that aid in digestion.

Humans, however, cook their meat. In fact, we cook our meat to

temperatures over 130 degrees Fahrenheit. This has the benefit of

killing most disease-causing bacteria, but it also kills the enzymes

in the meat.

Whenever you eat dead food – food lacking in the natural enzymes that

help you digest it – your pancreas has to work extra hard to provide

more so the food will break down for digestion. This puts strain on

the pancreas that it wasn't originally designed to handle. Which isn't

to say that you should eat raw meat, like the lion. But it's another

consideration when we look at whether humans are designed to eat meat

– when true carnivores eat raw, fresh meat, all the enzymes are

present to help them garner the nutrients they need as it passes

quickly through their short digestive tracts, and the

nutrient-depleted waste is eliminated soon after.

When we eat cooked meat, though, our bodies have to work extra hard to

digest it, using precious energy needed for other purposes, overtaxing

the pancreas, and creating free radicals as the dead flesh decays in

our intestinal tract. But when we eat a plant-based diet, we're

feeding ourselves food that's abundant with living enzymes, which

breaks down efficiently in our systems, and which provides extra

energy by not demanding that our organs work overtime to use it.

On the flip side, the digestion of plant materials takes longer than

meat proteins largely due to its cellulose (hard to digest) component.

This is why plant eating animals have relatively long digestive

tracts. The Inuit (~ Eskimos) have shorter digestive tracts than most

other humans due to the great proportion of meat in their traditional

diet.

The digestion of plant materials is a relatively difficult and lengthy

process, usually necessitating the incorporation of specialized

cellulose-digesting bacteria into the gut of plant eating specialists

and, often, large body size to house the large stomachs, etc.

necessary to the pull required energy out of often nutrient-poor

foodstuffs (think of cows and grass).

>

>

>

> > 2. Carbs are actually much easier to digest in the sense that

> they're easy energy for the body, that's why humans started to

> cultivate the land, they realized it was much easier to grow food that

> you could eat in smaller quantities than it was to kill giant animals

> with enough food to only sustain you for about a week or so.

>

> ***That's an interesting point as to why humans began cultivating

> land, but I don't see why that proves carbs are easier to digest? Yes

> carbs are a quick source of energy, but with out being consumed with

> fats and proteins, carbs can spike blood sugar levels and don't

> provide the sustained energy that fats and proteins can. They might

> be better at providing quick energy, but their impact on blood sugar

> regulation takes a higher toll on the body then fat and protein

> consumption.

$$$$I agree that carbs should be consumed with protein and fats.

Personally, I used to eat oatmeal every morning and it was the only

thing that sustained me until lunch.

>

> > 3. Everything turns into glucose actually, and not in the

> percentages suggested above.

>

> ***If " everything " turned into glucose, how would we get protein for

> building muscle. And why are some proteins consider essential? Since

> essential proteins mean we can not live with out them and our bodies

> can't make them, how would we get them if everything turned into

glucose?

$$$$ When foods are digested, they are broken down into the body's

basic fuel-- glucose first, I thought. Protein is also a source of

energy. On a diet that lacks carbohydrates, we " burn " amino acids for

energy. We also use amino acids to produce glucose to keep our brain

cells alive. We cannot metabolize fat very well, so the fat is

excreted as " ketone bodies. " This is why you can use " keto-sticks " to

test for ketones in your urine. If insufficient carbohydrate and fat

are eaten, the body will convert protein to glucose in order to

provide energy. Also, when excess protein is eaten, the body will

convert the surplus to glucose and/or fat To convert protein to fat,

it must first be converted into glucose and this conversion requires a

high level of glucagon over insulin. This relativity can only occur

when one has not consumed any food for 4-5 hours.

But to convert glucose into fat, high levels of glucagon over insulin

must be present.

>

> > 4. She mentions the Eskimos, which are an exception. The reason for

> this is that though they survive on what is basically an extreme

> Atkins diet, they ALSO eat the organs and bones and eyes and such of

> their food sources, which is how they get their vitamins and other

> goodies. You WON'T get this by just eating meat and fat, thus you need

> to supplement with vitamins if you don't eat enough organ meats, which

> pretty much no one does in America because they think it's gross. Any

> race that survives eating this way ALWAYS supplements with fruits and

> leafy greens they find in the wild, the Eskimos are just lucky that

> over centuries their people learned to eat organs to keep themselves

> as healthy as possible. Plus, you can't really say if you eat like

> them you'll be like them, because you won't, they've been eating that

> way unchanged for centuries. This is why whenever they become

> urbanized they gain weight so easily, their genetic make-ups are set

> for diets like that and store fat very quickly.

>

> ***You are right about the nutrients from organs and such being

> important. That is why on Bee's diet she recommends supplements to

> balance out what a person would need if they don't eat those items.

> Yes, some amount of vegetables and other carbs are ok under certain

> conditions, but I think the reason why Bee points out the Eskimos is

> to show that a *dependency* on carbs is not *necessary* for good

> health. Her diet, though, doesn't even demand that all carbs are

> eliminated, it only requires a reduction in carbs. Additionally Bee

> never says that veggies and some carbs are bad, its just the higher

> the carb content, the harder it is on people with candida. She even

> says that certain carbs are ok, once far enough along on the diet. I

> know Zack, the moderator, has mentioned how much he likes buckwheat

> pancakes! " )

$$$$ I agree with all you say (moderation in diet is what I agree with

most) but comparing our lifestyle is Eskimos is what seemed to start

this thread anyway. If you believe that they have a shorter digestive

tract than us than high protein/fat diet works well for them.

>

> > 5. They also get their sugars and stuff from eating animals in this

> way, so if you're eating a high fat/protein diet that's recommended on

> this diet, it's worthless without fruits and vegetables because it

> doesn't say anything about organ meats, bones, eyes, etc.

>

> ***Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you there. The diet is NOT

> worthless with out fruit and veggies. The supplements Bee recommends

> provide what would be missing with out the organ meats and such.

> Additionally, did you read post number #44748, where posted

> information on fructose, the sugar found in fruits? I am not saying

> that fruits should never be consumed, but I think that especially for

> people with candida, the cons of fruit definitely out weigh the pros.

$$$$ I will read 's post and I'm not trying to suggest that the

diet is worthless. Hope it did not come across like that.

Not sure I know enough yet about the supplements on the diet if they

provide for everything you need if you were an Eskimo and ate the

organs, eyes etc. – some would probably debate that too. I find it a

very interesting topic.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes... what you say does ring a bell now. I do recall reading that

the body does have to work pretty hard to digest meat in the

intestines, now that I think about it. Also, I have read that

ALL food is converted to glucose for energy, vitamins/minerals for

nutrition, and waste that is eliminated.

So, I do plan on using this diet for healing, but supplementing the

meats and fats with low carb veggies, greens, etc....

I'm not sold on the Eskimos being the most healthy and desirable race

to have ever lived on the planet at this point, and do have some

questions still.

I do know I can't keep eating like I have been eating, because then I

will always be sick.

I WOULD like to see more scientific data on this lifestyle, to ease

my mind somewhat. For instance, I recall the guy posting about

strange " suffocating feelings " in his neck... carotoid artery area

more specifically, lately. I hope he goes to the doctor and gets

checked out, and then posts back here concerning what the doctor says.

What would ease my mind most is if someone who has been following

this diet for 2 years or more (and has good insurance!!) would

volunteer to go have their blood circulation tested. This would

involve swallowing the dye and having blood flow tested

scientifically. I'm interested to see if there is any blockages

found anywhere in someone who follows this diet over the long term.

Most of what Bee writes makes a lot of sense to me, but I would like

to see some of it backed up in a VERIFIABLE way, you know?

It's a big step just to go on " faith " in something like this,

especially when the technology exists to verify it. (Circulation

testing). Also, if one believes the Bible, the human body was

designed FIRST to run on fruits/veggies, and later meat was added

after the Fall.

Doug

>

> More to think about?

>

> My understanding is:

>

> 1. The easiest food for the body to digest is ONLY eggs. Meat

requires

> a LOT of work.

>

> 2. Carbs are actually much easier to digest in the sense that

they're

> easy energy for the body, that's why humans started to cultivate the

> land, they realized it was much easier to grow food that you could

eat

> in smaller quantities than it was to kill giant animals with enough

> food to only sustain you for about a week or so.

>

> 3. Everything turns into glucose actually, and not in the

percentages

> suggested above.

>

> 4. She mentions the Eskimos, which are an exception. The reason for

> this is that though they survive on what is basically an extreme

> Atkins diet, they ALSO eat the organs and bones and eyes and such of

> their food sources, which is how they get their vitamins and other

> goodies. You WON'T get this by just eating meat and fat, thus you

[Guest guest]

Good points Jecca... the issue is, if you have Candida overgrowth,

what do you do about it? If this diet is the best cure for it out

there, then at the least, one could follow it until they are " cured "

and then they can change thier diet accordingly... in a way that

keeps thier immune systems strong by making wiser decisions and

staying away from refined sugar/flour/antibiotics, etc...

I would still feel a lot better if someone who has been on the diet

for 2+ years has thier circulation tested, just to make sure arteries

aren't clogging.

One thought that occurred to me... people have different

bodies/tendencies. One might do GREAT on this diet, but another

might have the type of body that forms clots/plaque moreso than

everybody else???? If the diet is to be recommended for everyone,

then some scientific testing should be done on a larger population of

those following it, just so it can be verified. Don't you think???

I'm going to do it... don't misunderstand... but I would like a

little more peace of mind about it.

Doug

[Guest guest]

Good stuff... I find all this info very interesting. Some of what you

copied and pasted about meat-eating sounds like it comes from a group

that supports vegetarianism or something. It's confusing coming

across all this information, because it ALL seems plausible doesn't

it? I think human beings are configured to be OMNIVORE's... not

herbivores or carnivores exclusively. So any one who writes that we

should be 100% one way or the other sets off a red flag to me.

From what I've read, Bee is pretty balanced here. She doesn't have a

problem with veggies after one has won the battle over candida, as long

as they are prepared properly and in a natural state. She doesn't

promote a bunch of cleanses (liver, colon, gallbladder, etc...) like a

bunch of others do, which is pretty refreshing. She doesn't promote a

LOT of wierd things I've seen elsewhere.

The sticking point is that what she recommends is 180 degrees different

than what all the " experts " are saying. (At the same time, all

the " experts " are clamouring about global warming, and I'm not an

adherant to that concept either, so maybe Bee is onto something).

Experts are usually wrong, which is why I'm intrigued about Bee.

If it turns out Bee is correct, she's an absolute GENIUS who has waded

through a lot of information and had the courage to tell others about

it, and is helping many people become WELL!

If she's wrong, then the result will be much lower life expectancy

rates and clogged arteries for those who follow the diet. I guess

time will tell!!!

Doug

>

> Hi Jecca,

>

> I'm by all means no expert here just asking a few questions about the

> various theories out there. I don't really know what to believe

> anymore. My response is in $$$$.

[Guest guest]

I am not sure there is any conclusive evidence that saturated fats clog

arteries. I think that has been pretty much taken on faith. You can read

books like " Cholesterol Myths " and the " Cholesterol Con " . There are others

out there.

Irene

At 02:42 PM 11/26/2007, you wrote:

>Good points Jecca... the issue is, if you have Candida overgrowth,

>what do you do about it? If this diet is the best cure for it out

>there, then at the least, one could follow it until they are " cured "

>and then they can change thier diet accordingly... in a way that

>keeps thier immune systems strong by making wiser decisions and

>staying away from refined sugar/flour/antibiotics, etc...

>

>I would still feel a lot better if someone who has been on the diet

>for 2+ years has thier circulation tested, just to make sure arteries

>aren't clogging.

>

>One thought that occurred to me... people have different

>bodies/tendencies. One might do GREAT on this diet, but another

>might have the type of body that forms clots/plaque moreso than

>everybody else???? If the diet is to be recommended for everyone,

>then some scientific testing should be done on a larger population of

>those following it, just so it can be verified. Don't you think???

>

>I'm going to do it... don't misunderstand... but I would like a

>little more peace of mind about it.

>

>Doug

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes you are right! - There are a lot of theories and agendas out

there. I agree it is all very confusing. I wish there were more long

term studies on Candida by mainstream medicine or anyone for that matter.

>

> Good stuff... I find all this info very interesting.

[Guest guest]

Hey Dough,

I posted this earlier, but I think the idea of protein being difficult

to digest is just a misreading of the literature. Yes, it takes more

of the bodies reserves to use protein as an energy source. However,

if the body has either carbs or fat as a energy source, protien (eaten

in the proper amount) simply broken down into amino acids that the

body can easliy abosrobe and then use for cell maintenance and repair.

It is not that all food IS broken down into glucose, it is that if

necessary (when energy sources are low) it CAN be made into glucose.

There is a big difference between those to statements. " )

Jecca

--- " Doug " <organyze@...> wrote:

>

> ...what you say does ring a bell now. I do recall reading that

> the body does have to work pretty hard to digest meat in the

> intestines, now that I think about it. Also, I have read that

> ALL food is converted to glucose for energy, vitamins/minerals for

> nutrition, and waste that is eliminated...

>