Re: Potassium supplements...

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>

> Would potassium gluconate be an adequate substitution for potassium

> citrate?

>

> Hi in IN. Yes you can take the gluconate form, however if you

can get pregnant or " are " pregnant do not take it. Also ensure you

always take potassium supplements with meals, or they can upset your

stomach.

Bee

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>

> >> Hi in IN. Yes you can take the gluconate form, however if

you

> > can get pregnant or " are " pregnant do not take it. Also ensure you

> > always take potassium supplements with meals, or they can upset your

> > stomach.

>

> The gluconate form shouldn't be taken while pregnant? That's useful

since

> I AM pregnant. Do you know why that is?

==> in IN. It was a warning on the supplements. I do not know

why.

Bee

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>

> >> Hi in IN. Yes you can take the gluconate form, however if

you

> > can get pregnant or " are " pregnant do not take it. Also ensure you

> > always take potassium supplements with meals, or they can upset your

> > stomach.

>

> The gluconate form shouldn't be taken while pregnant? That's useful

since

> I AM pregnant. Do you know why that is?

==>, be cautious about taking extra potassium unless you really

need it. You get plenty in veggies! The other member was obviously

lacking in potassium because she wasn't eating any carbs.

Bee

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Veggies just aren't appealing to me right now. (Must be

some weird preggo phase or something.)

>

> It's been SO hot here (in the upper 80s and low 90s), and I'm

already having trouble with swollen hands, ankles, and legs, and it's

very uncomfortable. When I have trouble with the water retention, it

makes my " restless leg syndrome " SO much worse.

>

> I'm taking 666mg of Ca citrate and 800mg of Mg citrate each day,

and I'd just gotten to wondering if I was getting enough potassium

based on what I've observed.

>

> I haven't checked out the articles lately to see if you have

> recommendations about the various mineral ratios, but it definitely

looks like I could use some more potassium. I just looked at Fitday,

and over the past 2 weeks, I've averaged:

>

> 803 mg calcium

> 703 mg magnesium

> 1031 mg phosphorus

> 2189 mg sodium

> 1629 mg potassium

> Now, there've been a few days when I've missed a supplement dose,

so that's why the magnesium looks lower than the 800mg I usually take

each day.

==>, are those mgs just from foods, or are you adding

supplements into Fitday?

>And I don't always put every bit of sea salt into fitday that I take

in. I only salt to taste though, and I'm not sure that most days I

get close to 1t of sea salt. (I've never cared much for lots of

salt -- just a bit to add a bit of flavor.)

==>Ensure you are adding any lemons to your fitday food list, which

also contain potassium. If you are getting 1,629 mg potassium from

foods you could take 1,500 mg per day in split doses of potassium

citrate, unless you are also taking a green food supplement, i.e.

liquid chlorophyll, which would also contain potassium. Your

potassium should be about 3,500 mgs per day. I haven't seen any

warnings about taking the citrate form of potassium, but you might

want to double check.

Bee

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> >> 803 mg calcium

> >> 703 mg magnesium

> >> 1031 mg phosphorus

> >> 2189 mg sodium

> >> 1629 mg potassium

>

> > ==>, are those mgs just from foods, or are you adding

> > supplements into Fitday?

>

> I add m supplements into Fitday as " foods " too so that they show up

in my nutrient reports. That's why I explained why the Mg looked a

little low -- there were a few missed doses over the last two weeks

for various reasons, so that particular average was lower.

==>I see. It is rare for anyone to add supplements to fitday

calcalations so that's why I had to check with you. So are your

calculations above an average over a week's period of time for the

missed doses to show up?

==>Also it is important to know how calcium is from food and how much

is from supplements because only 1/2 of the calcium contained from

foods is absorbed by the body. According to Dr. Weston A. Price

total minimum absorbable calcium required by the body daily should be

680 mg.

>

> > ==>Ensure you are adding any lemons to your fitday food list,

which

> > also contain potassium. If you are getting 1,629 mg potassium

from

> > foods you could take 1,500 mg per day in split doses of potassium

> > citrate, unless you are also taking a green food supplement, i.e.

> > liquid chlorophyll, which would also contain potassium. Your

> > potassium should be about 3,500 mgs per day. I haven't seen any

> > warnings about taking the citrate form of potassium, but you might

> > want to double check.

>

> I've been staying away from lemons lately (even though I really

like the electrolyte drink in the summer) because it makes my

pregnancy heartburn SO much worse. I'm not brave enough to try

baking soda in warm water, admittedly, but I'm not sure it'd help

that much. My heartburn is as a result of my stomach being

displaced upward by my growing uterus. It always seems to start

around this time. *sigh*

==>Pushing upward by the uterus wouldn't cause heartburn if your

stomach has enough acid. Having enough stomach acid keeps the valve

to the esophagus closed like it is supposed to be. When the valve to

the esophagus opens it causes heartburn, so it is caused not pushing

up of the stomach. Eating 2 tbl of cold unheated sauerkraut with

every meal will help you with the heartburn because it will increase

stomach acid, along with other suggestions on improving digestion in

my main candida article.

I hope that helps.

Bee

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>> ==>Pushing upward by the uterus wouldn't cause heartburn if your

stomach has enough acid. Having enough stomach acid keeps the valve

to the esophagus closed like it is supposed to be. When the valve to

the esophagus opens it causes heartburn, so it is caused not pushing

up of the stomach. Eating 2 tbl of cold unheated sauerkraut with

every meal will help you with the heartburn because it will increase

stomach acid, along with other suggestions on improving digestion in

my main candida article.

>

> My valve has been damaged though from long-term reflux and several

years of bulemia when I was young. I know that I have too much

stomach acid because of the lemon juice test (and the fact that it

was medically diagnosed a couple years ago through some unpleasant

testing.)

==>I understand totally about damage caused to the esophagus. I've

had many scopes down through my esophagus into my stomach, and they

showed a damaged esophagus valve and that the esophagus opening was

severely eroded by many years of up-chucking caused by reflux,

ulcers, candida, etc. I ended up in the hospital numerous time

because I was up-chucking blood caused by a burst blood vessel in the

esophagus.

==>I cured it with sauerkraut - sauerkraut lowers stomach acid when

it is too high, and it raises it when it is too low - it's like an

automatic stabilizer. It also cured my hiatal hernia. For about 2

weeks I carried sauerkraut with me everywhere, and whenever I got a

twinge of pain I took a tablespoons. Viola! No more heartburn, even

after I've lifted something heavy.

Bee

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>

> Hi Group,

>

> I am wondering if there is a way to get the

> supplements required from foods instead of from the

> pill form.

>

> Is it possible for a calculation to be created in this

> group to show us what foods would be equiviant to

> supplements? That way we could get our daily

> requirement of the supplements from foods or maybe

> have an option so if we couldnt get all of the

> supplements we could eat certain foods?

Hi Sue. The problem for candida sufferers is that candida causes

malnutrition, nutrient imbalances, digestive problems, etc.

Also candida toxins make all of the body's cells go rigid (stiff) so

nutrients are less able to get into the cells where they are needed.

Therefore all of the supplements are necessary in the quantities

listed even if you are getting some from foods. Even healthy people

need most of these supplements because the soil has been so depleted

of nutrients compared to even 50 years ago. And of course everyone

requires cod liver oil in the winter and fish oil in the summer.

There are natural substitutes for some supplements:

1) Instead of vitamin B complex: a) eat 6 ounces of good beef liver

twice a week, OR take 2 tbls. of Nutritional Yeast Flakes in water

per day, OR c) make your own frozen liver chunks or make the liver

drink found on my website.

2) Calcium citrate can be made from eggshells - see the recipe on my

website.

3) Instead of digestive enzymes eat a good unpasteurized sauerkraut

or kimchi.

There are documents on our group (see Files on the left menu) which

list Nutrients in Foods too: http://tinyurl.com/359mnk

Bee

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>

> If we have a medical history of elevated blood potassium levels in

absence of any other medical concerns, what is the concensus for

additional potassium supplement in my case. Am really nervous about

adding potass supplements for this reason. Wasn't supplementing at

the time of elevated Potassium either

>

> Thanks in Advance,

> Kathy in AZ

==>I am only recommending potassium supplements to specific people

because they are not eating any carbs/veggies - they are only eating

proteins and fats. No, you shouldn't be taking potassium supplements,

and most people shouldn't as well.

Bee

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> ==>I am only recommending potassium supplements to specific people

> because they are not eating any carbs/veggies - they are only eating

> proteins and fats. No, you shouldn't be taking potassium

supplements,

> and most people shouldn't as well.

> Bee

Bee,I've been moving along trusting in the information that our bodies

don't need carbs and now I'm confused about this whole potassium issue.

According to my height I should be eating about 60 grams of carbs a day

but only eat 10-20 grams - if that. Are there certain symptoms to watch

for that would be a sign of a need for potassium supplements? Are you

recommending them for people who have no carbs only or are those of us

on very low carb diets included?

Thanks, Anita T

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>

> Bee,I've been moving along trusting in the information that our

bodies don't need carbs and now I'm confused about this whole

potassium issue. According to my height I should be eating about 60

grams of carbs a day but only eat 10-20 grams - if that. Are there

certain symptoms to watch for that would be a sign of a need for

potassium supplements? Are you recommending them for people who have

no carbs only or are those of us on very low carb diets included?

==>The main problem eating no or low-carb is the amount of ocean sea

salt I recommend, i.e. 1 1/2 tsp per day, which equals 2,700 mg per

day. At that amount it causes sodium to potassium imbalances if

enough potassium is not obtained from foods.

The daily minimum requirement for potassium is 3,500 mgs and even if

much higher amounts are obtained from foods that's okay because the

body can throw it off. Blood levels of potassium do not usually go up

with high dietary intake of potassium, so toxicity is not much of a

problem in healthy individuals, since the kidneys readily excrete any

excess potassium. The problem with taking potassium supplements is

that the body doesn't throw it off as easily as it does from foods.

Potassium is one of the electrolytes that with sodium is involved in

the maintenance of normal water balance, and it is crucial to

cardiovascular and nerve functions. It is the primary positive cation

(electrical charge) found within the cells, and along with calcium

serves an important role in heart muscle contractions, skeletal

muscle contraction, nerve impulse transmissions, and the release of

energy from food. Potassium is involved as a cofactor in several

enzyme systems which include protein synthesis, carbohydrate

metabolism, and it affects uptake of amino acids into cells. In

addition to calcium and magnesium, potassium helps maintain normal

blood pressure

Potassium requirements are easily met by eating the ratios I

recommend which includes meats & veggies. Veggies contain higher

amounts of potassium than meats and eggs. Some veggies contain about

7 times the amount of potassium than what is contained in meats/eggs.

Even though carbs are not essential for health, I do not recommend no

carbs or much lower ratios. When V. Stefansson and his friend did

the year-long experiment by eating 25% meats and 75% fats they did

not take any supplements nor any extra salt. I recommend ocean sea

salt to obtain not only sodium and chloride (2 of the 7 macrominerals

required by the body) but also to obtain the necessary trace

minerals - Sally Fallon also recommends getting minerals from ocean

sea salt, as well as good mineralized water.

If you want to eat low or no carbs you need do one of two things:

1) Cut back on the amount of ocean sea salt, i.e. from 1 1/2 tsp. per

day to 1/2 to 3/4 tsp. per day and and because you are getting less

trace minerals you need to get them from another source. The best

one is Concentrace Minerals; take 15 drops in water twice a day.

OR

2) Keep taking 1 1/2 tsp sea salt per day, and IF you eat no carbs

also take 3,000 mg (in split doses with meals) potassium citrate per

day; IF you eat low carbs take 2,000 mg. Every 2 weeks do not take

any potassium for one day to allow the body to adjust.

Supplementing with too much potassium may affect the balance of other

electrolytes such as magnesium, sodium, chloride, etc, or it may

cause irregular heartbeat, vomiting or diarrhea, however those

problems do not occur when even when high potassium is obtained from

foods.

Low potassium symptoms include irregular/rapid heart beat, high blood

pressure, shortness of breath, muscle spasms and weakness, bladder

weakness, weight gain, etc.

If you want to really get confused you can read more about potassium

here: http://www.acu-cell.com/znk.html

Bee

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Bee what is your opinion of Potassium Chloride or other salt subs?

Would this be an acceptable way to get extra potassium?

>

> > ==>I am only recommending potassium supplements to specific

people

> > because they are not eating any carbs/veggies - they are only

eating

> > proteins and fats. No, you shouldn't be taking potassium

> supplements,

> > and most people shouldn't as well.

>

> > Bee

>

> Bee,I've been moving along trusting in the information that our

bodies

> don't need carbs and now I'm confused about this whole potassium

issue.

> According to my height I should be eating about 60 grams of carbs a

day

> but only eat 10-20 grams - if that. Are there certain symptoms to

watch

> for that would be a sign of a need for potassium supplements? Are

you

> recommending them for people who have no carbs only or are those of

us

> on very low carb diets included?

> Thanks, Anita T

>

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>

> Bee what is your opinion of Potassium Chloride or other salt subs?

> Would this be an acceptable way to get extra potassium?

==>Potassium supplements in health food stores are frequently sold as

gluconate or citrate, and they are usually limited to 100mg (or 99mg)

per tablet, while those dispensed in pharmacies are generally the

inorganic types (i.e. potassium chloride), which may be measured in

milliequivalents (mEq), whereby 1mEq equals about 74.5mg. When high-

potency potassium chloride tablets need to be taken, they should only

be supplemented in a slow-release form (Slow K), since the high amounts

of chloride in the tablets could otherwise trigger gastrointestinal

distress or bleeding ulcers. From: http://www.acu-cell.com/znk.html

I do not know if there is a natural organic potassium chloride.

Bee

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> The daily minimum requirement for potassium is 3,500 mgs and even

if

> much higher amounts are obtained from foods that's okay because the

> body can throw it off. > Even though carbs are not essential for

health, I do not recommend no

> carbs or much lower ratios.

IF you eat no carbs

> also take 3,000 mg (in split doses with meals) potassium citrate

per

> day; IF you eat low carbs take 2,000 mg. Every 2 weeks do not take

> any potassium for one day to allow the body to adjust.

> Bee

Hi Bee,

I still don't have this issue resolved for myself. Could you tell me

how many carbs constitute a " low carb " diet? I'm confused because

you've assured us many times that we don't need carbs and point us to

the article of the man who lived off of fish. Now I'm hearing you say

that you don't recommend a no carb diet. My son and I are both on

your

plan and have been taking the recommended salt with no to very low

carbs thinking this was ok, even healthy. If some of us (who go no or

low carb) need potassium, why isn't it on the plan to start with? I'm

not seeking to be argumentative in this - just worried that I haven't

had the whole picture and could be hurting my health.

Thanks, Anita T.

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>> Hi Bee,

> I still don't have this issue resolved for myself. Could you tell me

how many carbs constitute a " low carb " diet? I'm confused because

you've assured us many times that we don't need carbs and point us to

the article of the man who lived off of fish. Now I'm hearing you say

that you don't recommend a no carb diet. My son and I are both on

your plan and have been taking the recommended salt with no to very

low carbs thinking this was ok, even healthy. If some of us (who go no

or low carb) need potassium, why isn't it on the plan to start with?

I'm not seeking to be argumentative in this - just worried that I

haven't had the whole picture and could be hurting my health.

==>My plan hasn't changed even though there have been many discussions

on the group. I only point to the article about the man who lived off

of fish to illustrate that it is quite safe to eat low-carb for those

who are concerned about eating such a high fat diet.

==>But in spite of any discussions on this group my original article,

diet lists, shopping lists, and recommendations haven't changed. It is

still the same ratio recommendations of protein to fat to carbs, where

you calculate them according to your height, translated to centimetres,

etc., which is roughly 23% protein, 58% fat & 19% carbs on the low-fat

range, and 13% protein, 76% fat & 11% carbs on the high-fat range per

these articles;

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2_2_2.php

==>If I found information that meant I should change any of my original

recommendations I would re-write my article and announce it to the

group. The whole picture is still contained in my main candida article.

Luv, Bee