Re: food prep questions

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--- fernfam3 <fernfam3@...> wrote:

> out as needed. Our farmer friend said he didnt see

> why I couldnt do

> that as long as I didnt let it thaw to room temp.

> But I wanted to

> hear from someone who has read up on salmonella.

OK this reminds me of a story I'll tell about myself.

It's an embarassing story and I'm sure it will lower

the opinion some of you have of me, but I'm going to

tell it anyway. When I was a kid, probably in JR.

High, my mother would marinate chicken over night in a

lemon juice/olive oil/oregano/garlic concoction that

just tasted devine.

I use to drink the stuff straight when she made it. I

liked it so much I used to sneak and use a spoon to

drink some of the marinade from the bowl of raw bloody

chicken. I did this for years as I didn't know

anything about Salmonella.. and I never got it. I

never really thought about the stuff having raw

chicken blood, just liked the marinade.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

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It is a lot easier to act ourselves into new thinking than to think ourselves

into a new action.

My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

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>From: Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...>

>OK this reminds me of a story I'll tell about myself.

>It's an embarassing story and I'm sure it will lower

>the opinion some of you have of me, but I'm going to

>tell it anyway. When I was a kid, probably in JR.

>High, my mother would marinate chicken over night in a

>lemon juice/olive oil/oregano/garlic concoction that

>just tasted devine.

>

>I liked it so much I used to sneak and use a spoon to

>drink some of the marinade from the bowl of raw bloody

>chicken. I did this for years as I didn't know

>anything about Salmonella.. and I never got it. I

>never really thought about the stuff having raw

>chicken blood, just liked the marinade.

>

>Luv,

>Debby

>San , CA

>380/253/150

Debby,

You're so funny, nothing could lower my opinion of you! Even if you drink

raw chicken marinade (I used to eat dirt!!!) I think Bee would tell you that

your body needed the ingredients in the marinade that's why you couldn't

resist it. Besides there ARE people who eat raw chicken out there, there's a

whole community of raw eaters, I think Woody Harrelson is a member.

Shirley

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Besides there ARE people who eat raw chicken out there, there's a

> whole community of raw eaters, I think Woody Harrelson is a member.

>

I agree Shirley, it was a funny post from Debby! I smiled at it too.

Bee would remind us of the Germ Theory of disease. You're not going to

get sick from Salmonella if your immune system is healthy.

jackie

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>

>

> OK this reminds me of a story I'll tell about myself.

> It's an embarassing story and I'm sure it will lower

> the opinion some of you have of me, but I'm going to

> tell it anyway. When I was a kid, probably in JR.

> High, my mother would marinate chicken over night in a

> lemon juice/olive oil/oregano/garlic concoction that

> just tasted devine.

>

> I use to drink the stuff straight when she made it. I

> liked it so much I used to sneak and use a spoon to

> drink some of the marinade from the bowl of raw bloody

> chicken. I did this for years as I didn't know

> anything about Salmonella.. and I never got it. I

> never really thought about the stuff having raw

> chicken blood, just liked the marinade.

>

>

>

> It is a lot easier to act ourselves into new thinking than to think

ourselves into a new action.

>

==>LOL! Thanks for the laugh!! And thanks for an interesting answer

to my question. It actually answered another one. Cookbooks always

tell you not to leave food out all day, don't consume raw poultry and

I always asked myself, " Who would do such a thing? " Flashback to Deb

sneaking in a sip of marinade. I know a woman who doesnt think twice

about eating food that has been sitting out 3 days or longer.

Amazing!

>

>

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>

> ==>LOL! Thanks for the laugh!! And thanks for an interesting answer

> to my question. It actually answered another one. Cookbooks always

> tell you not to leave food out all day, don't consume raw poultry and

> I always asked myself, " Who would do such a thing? " Flashback to Deb

> sneaking in a sip of marinade. I know a woman who doesnt think twice

> about eating food that has been sitting out 3 days or longer.

> Amazing!

==>, I'm also one of those people. I also thaw out bison,

pork or beef burger in a glass container in my fridge. Sometimes I

can't eat it before it starts to ferment or break down. But I still

eat it. It's better because it is pre-digested, like curing it. I've

never gotten sick from it, in fact it seems to digest better when it is

cured longer. lol!

==>How in the heck did our ancestors survive without fridges, freezers

and antiseptics? However they did, and we are here because they did.

The fact is that we survive worse than they did. Even medical

statistics state that from 70-80% of the population have candida and

our ancestors had so little cancer, diabetes and heart disease that

doctors had to travel many miles to even witness them.

Luv, Bee

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>

>

>

> ==>, I'm also one of those people. I also thaw out bison,

> pork or beef burger in a glass container in my fridge. Sometimes I

> can't eat it before it starts to ferment or break down. But I still

> eat it. It's better because it is pre-digested, like curing it. I've

> never gotten sick from it, in fact it seems to digest better when it is

> cured longer. lol!

>

> ==>How in the heck did our ancestors survive without fridges, freezers

> and antiseptics? However they did, and we are here because they did.

> The fact is that we survive worse than they did. Even medical

> statistics state that from 70-80% of the population have candida and

> our ancestors had so little cancer, diabetes and heart disease that

> doctors had to travel many miles to even witness them.

>

> Luv, Bee

>

Wow! So, I what I consider spoiled or rotten (I go by the FDA

standard of not leaving anything thawed longer than 3 days) you

consider cured or pre-digested?!! . You know I've let go of so many

of my misconceptions about food. I give my daughter raw milk, I make

eggshell calcium, I'm even eating raw liver pills! But for some

reason, even after reading in the files about salmonella, I thought

surely, the FDA had a valid reason for not thawing and refreezing

poultry. But, after reading yours and Deb's post, I'm going to throw

FDA caution to the wind and go ahead with my plan to thaw frozen

chickens, cut them up, put spices on them and refreeze until needed.

I'll cut them up when they are still icy cold- I'm sure it will be okay.

Thanks for your stories Deb and Bee!

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i'm really interested in this ... your burger, doesnt it get slimy, or take

on an order of sorts??

i had food poisoning once from hamburger tath sat out all day, wow was the

sickness terrible, also my ddtr had it, once again old hamburger,,, i do know

that the people that ate the same burger, but ate it fully cooked ( i am a rare

meat eater) did not get sick at al, so those of you who leave it in your frige

for days, when you do eaat it, is it fully cooked??

thanks know a woman who doesnt think twice

> about eating food that has been sitting out 3 days or longer.

> Amazing!

==>, I'm also one of those people. I also thaw out bison,

pork or beef burger in a glass container in my fridge. Sometimes I

can't eat it before it starts to ferment or break down. But I still

eat it. It's better because it is pre-digested, like curing it. I've

never gotten sick from it, in fact it seems to digest better when it is

cured longer. lol!

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Well right now I cook my foods in the morning, and I don't reheat them after

that. Too much of a pain. In the morning the food is nice and hot.. at lunch

it's lukewarm and in the evening I eat it cold. Doesn't taste nearly as good

but I often get too busy to throw it in the toaster oven.

So my food is out for at least 12 hours. I don't think I'd eat something that

had been out for three days but that is because of a mental block not that

there'd be something wrong with it.

Sometimes I'm running errands and eating dinner in my car at stop lights as I

have no time to sit down and eat like a civilized person, let alone heat my

food. Interestingly enough, what I eat in my food is pretty much identical to

the marinade I used to drink. The marinade was lemon juice, table salt, raw

garlic, olive oil and oregano.

What I put on my food every day is lemon juice, sea salt, raw garlic, and

coconut oil. Oregano would probably be a really good addition, and man the sea

salt is great. I mix it in with my beef, green beans and broccoli (and

occassional red onions or red peppers) and it tastes great.. just like mom's raw

chicken marinade.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

fernfam3 <fernfam3@...> wrote:

--- In , Debby Padilla-Hudson

==>LOL! Thanks for the laugh!! And thanks for an interesting answer

to my question. It actually answered another one. Cookbooks always

tell you not to leave food out all day, don't consume raw poultry and

I always asked myself, " Who would do such a thing? " Flashback to Deb

sneaking in a sip of marinade. I know a woman who doesnt think twice

about eating food that has been sitting out 3 days or longer.

Amazing!

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit. We

develop it by practice. --Aristotle

My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

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--- Shirley G <chickwbrains@...> wrote:

> You're so funny, nothing could lower my opinion of

> you!

Ha ha.. so you mean your opinion of me is so low it

couldn't possibly be any lower? LOL.

> Even if you drink

> raw chicken marinade (I used to eat dirt!!!) I think

> Bee would tell you that

> your body needed the ingredients in the marinade

> that's why you couldn't

> resist it.

I used to eat dirt too.. plenty of good minerals in

there! I used to eat my broccoli unrinsed too, eat my

potatoes " dirty " , thinking I'd be washing off some

good nutritious dirt too.

Somebody told me when I was young that dirt had a lot

of nutrients in it and it got stuck in my head. But

then my friend told me there are bugs on broccoli that

match the broccoli.. ewww! But then again it's

probably good protein, and what I don't know what hurt

me.

My mom's marinade was something that would almost be

on this diet. Lemon juice, olive oil, raw garlic,

table salt and oregano. What I put on my food now is

lemon juice, coconut oil, raw garlic, sea salt and

oregano. I just ordered some oregano too.. mom

created a monster!

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit. We

develop it by practice. --Aristotle

My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

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wrote: thanks know a woman who doesnt think twice about

eating food that has been sitting out 3 days or longer. Amazing!

>

Bee wrote; ==>, I'm also one of those people. I also thaw

out bison, pork or beef burger in a glass container in my fridge.

Sometimes I can't eat it before it starts to ferment or break down.

But I still eat it. It's better because it is pre-digested, like

curing it. I've never gotten sick from it, in fact it seems to digest

better when it is cured longer. lol!

>

> i'm really interested in this ... your burger, doesnt it get slimy,

or take on an order of sorts??

==>It gets a stronger smell but it is not slimy. I only buy

certified organic meats; mostly bison burger. If it did get slimy

I'd probably just add some lemon juice to it when I cook it.

> i had food poisoning once from hamburger tath sat out all day, wow

was the sickness terrible, also my ddtr had it, once again old

hamburger,,, i do know that the people that ate the same burger, but

ate it fully cooked ( i am a rare meat eater) did not get sick at al,

so those of you who leave it in your frige for days, when you do eaat

it, is it fully cooked??

==>It was the hamburger itself (toxins create toxins), and not the

fact that it sat out all day nor because it wasn't fully cooked. I

eat my old cured bison burger rare as well.

Bee

P.S. Please put your name at the end of your messages, for our

visually impaired member, Maddalena. Thanks so much.

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> I used to eat dirt too.. plenty of good minerals in

> there! I used to eat my broccoli unrinsed too, eat my

> potatoes " dirty " , thinking I'd be washing off some

> good nutritious dirt too.

==>I ate my own mud pies when I was a child. I used to make them from

the stream where my grandpa's cows walked, peed, etc. Of course I

was innocent to all that. I made pig weed salad with camomile buds.

My uncle was only a year older and when I served the meal he'd

say " My, that's best mud pie I've ever had! " LOL!

>

> Somebody told me when I was young that dirt had a lot

> of nutrients in it and it got stuck in my head. But

> then my friend told me there are bugs on broccoli that

> match the broccoli.. ewww! But then again it's

> probably good protein, and what I don't know what hurt

> me.

==>There are nutrients in earth otherwise the plants wouldn't have

nutrients in them. They get it nutrients from soil, air and

sunshine. In fact one of the things that nourishes the earth is

cow's saliva - there's an article about that at Weston A. Price.

>

> My mom's marinade was something that would almost be

> on this diet. Lemon juice, olive oil, raw garlic,

> table salt and oregano. What I put on my food now is

> lemon juice, coconut oil, raw garlic, sea salt and

> oregano. I just ordered some oregano too.. mom

> created a monster!

==>It could. I believe eating almost raw or raw meats is best for

health. Debby, didn't the Paleo people eat raw? However some

vegetables are actually more nutritious when cooked, and raw veggies

are hard on people whose digestive systems aren't normal,

particularly when they lack nature-made fats and meats.

Luv, Bee

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>From: Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...>

>I used to eat dirt too.. plenty of good minerals in

>there! I used to eat my broccoli unrinsed too, eat my

>potatoes " dirty " , thinking I'd be washing off some

>good nutritious dirt too.

>

>Somebody told me when I was young that dirt had a lot

>of nutrients in it and it got stuck in my head. Luv,

>Debby

>San , CA

Jordan Rubin is making millions off dirt! He calls it Soil Based Organisms!

I should have stuck with the dirt instead of sugar, then I wouldn't be in

this mess ;+)

Shirley

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--- Bee Wilder <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

> ==>I ate my own mud pies when I was a child. I used

> to make them from

> the stream where my grandpa's cows walked, peed,

> etc.

So did you actually eat full on mud pies or just

tasted them? Oh I forgot I used to love eating

playdough too. LOL.

> ==>It could. I believe eating almost raw or raw

> meats is best for

> health. Debby, didn't the Paleo people eat raw?

They did for a long time but they were cooking I

believe 1.5 million years ago, but consistently found

400,000 years ago (it's not clear whether some of the

earlier fire sites were man made).. long enough for

our bodies to adapt to cooking and cooked foods.

The common methods for cooking were underground ovens

with meat and veggies all day long, or over a grill.

So equivalent cooking today would be crockpot and BBQ.

It's a theory that once we started cooking our foods

we no longer needed such strong jaws and our faces and

skulls began to change.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit. We

develop it by practice. --Aristotle

My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

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All this dirt talk is making my hungry.. mud pie

anyone?

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- Shirley G <chickwbrains@...> wrote:

> Jordan Rubin is making millions off dirt! He calls

> it Soil Based Organisms!

> I should have stuck with the dirt instead of sugar,

> then I wouldn't be in

> this mess ;+)

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit. We

develop it by practice. --Aristotle

My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

[Guest guest]

> > Jordan Rubin is making millions off dirt! He calls

> > it Soil Based Organisms!

> > I should have stuck with the dirt instead of sugar,

> > then I wouldn't be in

> > this mess ;+)

>

>

Another mud pie story. There were 6 kids in our family and when we

had muddy shoes we would take them off and leave by the back door as

we came in. One of my younger brothers, only abt 4 yrs old at the

time, used to eat the mud off our shoes. He also used to pick up

handfuls of sand/dirt outside and eat it. My mom finally asked the

Dr about it and he said the boy was just getting nutrients he was

missing :0

Gail

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> --- Bee Wilder <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

> > ==>I ate my own mud pies when I was a child. I used

> > to make them from

> > the stream where my grandpa's cows walked, peed,

> > etc.

> So did you actually eat full on mud pies or just

> tasted them? Oh I forgot I used to love eating

> playdough too. LOL.

+++I actually ate the whole mud pie, and so did my uncle.

>

> > ==>It could. I believe eating almost raw or raw

> > meats is best for health. Debby, didn't the Paleo people eat raw?

>

> They did for a long time but they were cooking I

> believe 1.5 million years ago, but consistently found

> 400,000 years ago (it's not clear whether some of the

> earlier fire sites were man made).. long enough for

> our bodies to adapt to cooking and cooked foods.

>

> The common methods for cooking were underground ovens

> with meat and veggies all day long, or over a grill.

> So equivalent cooking today would be crockpot and BBQ.

>

> It's a theory that once we started cooking our foods

> we no longer needed such strong jaws and our faces and

> skulls began to change.

==>That's very interesting. Thanks.

Luv, Bee

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>From: " Gail " <gmgblues@...>

>Another mud pie story. There were 6 kids in our family and when we

>had muddy shoes we would take them off and leave by the back door as

>we came in. One of my younger brothers, only abt 4 yrs old at the

>time, used to eat the mud off our shoes. He also used to pick up

>handfuls of sand/dirt outside and eat it. My mom finally asked the

>Dr about it and he said the boy was just getting nutrients he was

>missing :0

>

>Gail

Well didn't your mother feel inept for not feeding her child properly that

he had to resort to eating dirt!!!!

LOL!!!!!

Shirley