RE: Butter made me too sick

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Dear Bee,

>

> I was feeling a little better so yesterday I ate one teaspoon of

organic butter ( still don't have the raw one ) and made me feel

horrbile. My belly and intestines got huge, and felt pain even in my

arms, chest and neck. I don't think that is normal. What was wrong ?

Just because it wasn't raw ? Or perhaps my liver has too many toxins

so can't manage the butter ?

==>Butter is antifungal so it causes the die-off symptoms you

describe. It wasn't because the butter wasn't raw. Butter helps the

liver deal with toxins. In fact saturated fats like butter and

coconut oil cleanse, strengthen, and heal the entire body, including

the liver.

>Even worse my depression. So I guess butter is not for me now ? I'm

scared to try it again. Just coconut oil for now?

==>If it made you depressed that is because of the candida toxins,

not because of the butter. Ensure you are taking cod liver oil,

vitamin E, cal/mag, B complex, niacin, etc. - all of the supplements

in my list. Omega 3 and the oils soluble vitamins A, D, & E are very

important for handling depression.

==>Yes, you can just have coconut oil for now; try butter again in

another 3 months. Next time try making clarified butter, which is

called ghee - the recipe is in our files.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Dear Bee,

I was feeling a little better so yesterday I ate one teaspoon of organic

butter ( still don't have the raw one ) and made me feel horrbile.

My belly and intestines got huge, and felt pain even in my arms, chest and

neck.

I don't think that is normal. What was wrong ?

Just because it wasn't raw ? Or perhaps my liver has too many toxins so

can't manage the butter ?

Even worse my depression.

So I guess butter is not for me now ? I'm scared to try it again.

Just coconut oil for now?

Thank you,

Claudina.

Hi Claudina,

Just wanted to empathize with you - I am in the same boat. I LOVE butter but

it causes my whole abdomen to get huge (like I am pregnant). I don't get the

pain that you do, but I retain water in my lower body, too. You're not alone

but I do hope you can eat butter soon without reactions. :-)

a

[Guest guest]

Dear a,

Thank you for your Support.

This is a very nice and supportive group.

Hope you feel better soon.

Claudina.

Hi Claudina,

Just wanted to empathize with you - I am in the same boat. I LOVE butter but

it causes my whole abdomen to get huge (like I am pregnant). I don't get the

pain that you do, but I retain water in my lower body, too. You're not alone

but I do hope you can eat butter soon without reactions. :-)

a

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[Guest guest]

>

> I had a teaspoon of butter the other day. The first time in I don't

know

> how long. It wasn't organic or anything. Just something they were

serving

> at a conference. Anyway, about half an hour afterward I amost fell

asleep

> in my chair. Actually I think I did fall asleep and nearly fell out

of my

> chair. Is that die off as well? I snapped out of it in about an hour

but

> felt a little groggy for a few hours afterwards.

> Irene

Hi Irene..instead of raw eggs, I've been scrambling them in butter

since Oct 1st & I almost fall into a coma every morning ! I didn't

make the connection til I read your post. Maybe we should eat butter

at bedtime, lol. Susie

[Guest guest]

May have just been a case of a boring conference?

Do this. Go home and eat a big meal with LOTS of butter. If you get

knocked out with die-off and sleepiness... it's die-off.

[Guest guest]

--- In , " " <jayppers2672@...> wrote

>

> Do this. Go home and eat a big meal with LOTS of butter. If you get

> knocked out with die-off and sleepiness... it's die-off.

>

> ,

Butter is a mild antifungal according to this post from Bee which is

why I doubt that the drowsiness is sudden die-off:

==>Butter and coconut oil are antifungal because because they contain

medium-chain fatty acid called laurate, or lauric acid. This fatty

acid is readily absorbed by the body and used for energy. Lauric acid

is also known to be antiviral, antibacterial and antifungal, making

it an excellent supplement for intestinal disorders. Coconut oil

contains much higher levels of lauric acid than butter.

[Guest guest]

>

> I had a teaspoon of butter the other day. The first time in I don't

know

> how long. It wasn't organic or anything. Just something they were

serving

> at a conference. Anyway, about half an hour afterward I amost fell

asleep

> in my chair. Actually I think I did fall asleep and nearly fell out

of my

> chair. Is that die off as well? I snapped out of it in about an

hour but

> felt a little groggy for a few hours afterwards.

> Irene

==>It could be die-off symptoms, or something else you consumed.

There are so many hidden MSG-type substances in foods. For example

carageenan is a seaweed that after processing it becomes a neurotoxin

just like MSG and it is often added to make foods creamier.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Irene, also restaurant, institution, and conference can serve

irradiated foods without your knowledge, which is perfectly legal.

Bee

>

> I had a teaspoon of butter the other day. The first time in I don't

know

> how long. It wasn't organic or anything. Just something they were

serving

> at a conference. Anyway, about half an hour afterward I amost fell

asleep

> in my chair. Actually I think I did fall asleep and nearly fell out

of my

> chair. Is that die off as well? I snapped out of it in about an hour

but

> felt a little groggy for a few hours afterwards.

> Irene

>

[Guest guest]

>

> No it would just tell me if it was the butter. I know that already

and I

> don't have any intention of trying butter again for a while. It is

just

> that in the past I have interpreted my reactions to butter as

allergy. I

> know this group has a different opinion of allergy but I don't

think of

> sleepiness as die off symptom.

> Irene

==>Hi Irene. Sleepiness, feeling groggy, brain fog, and other

similar symptoms are definitely die-off symptoms. When candida is

killed off it puts out over 79 different kinds of toxins, most of

which are alcohol so the feelings you get are similar to having a

hangover, sometimes with or without a headache.

Such symptoms can also be caused by neurotoxic substances such as MSG

and a host of other substances added to foods. Neurotoxins are often

hidden in such ingredients as natural flavorings or natural spices.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> That is interesting because coconut oil does not knock me out.

> Irene

==>Butter and coconut oil have different properties and they are both

extremely important for overall functioning. Your body may have a

higher requirement for the many nutrients in butter, rather than CO,

and that's why you experience healing reactions. When the body

receives the nutrients it needs it goes into gear doing its job of

healing.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> That is interesting because coconut oil does not knock me out.

> Irene

==>Irene, also many foods, herbs, and spices are antifungal, including

cilantro, cinnamon, nutmeg, tumeric, the entire onion and cabbage

family of veggies, and many others.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Bee,

>

> I couldn't stand the fact that I soo extra low in this diet.

> Today I tried ghee and it wasn't like the other reactions.

> The reactons were: my belly and intestines got too huge. And the

pain in the esophagus is strong again. ( BTW ghee doesn't make me

sleepy ).

==>Sleepiness isn't the only healing/die-off/detox reaction.

> So obvioulsy I'm allergic to dairies now, very strange since I've

been drinking lots of fat free milk till six month ago.

> The thing is that Niaciin, B complex, magnesium, vitamin C make

me hurt my esophagus and stomach. I take vitamin C anyway. I'm scared

to take cod liver oil since they told my husband it was going to hurt

my stomach.

I think I should heal my esophagus/ stomach first.

> I know I need them because of my depression, but don't want to

hurt even more my stomach and esophagus.

==>Sometimes one has to " push through " healing reactions in order to

get healthy. I do not believe it is possible to " first " heal your

esophagus/stomach without killing of the candida in them, which means

diet plus supplements. I had severe stomach and esophagus pain

during my candida program too, and at one point in time I could only

eat 9 foods in the world (I had no choice because everything else

came back up), and I was losing 3 lbs per day. I have had times when

I upchucked for 10 days in a row; then I ate organic baby food to get

through it. I recommend you stay on pureed foods, soups, etc. for as

long as it takes to get your digestion straighten around. I knew a

lady in my Candida Support Group 20 years ago that had to stay on

that diet for over a year in order to heal.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Dear Claudina,

>Posted by: " Claudina Pugliese "

>Today I tried ghee and it wasn't like the other reactions.

The reactons were: my belly and intestines got too huge. And the pain in the

esophagus is strong again.

What other fats are you getting into your diet Claudina? Because fats are a big

part of healing. For instance I eat the fat attached to any beef or pork that I

eat. There is also a lot of fat in salmon. As for the cod liver oil, taking 1/4

teaspoon would tell you immediately if you can tolerate it. Taking it with every

meal would help. I had trouble with butter when I started and I couldn't

afford the coconut oil so I cooked all my food in bacon fat. Another fatty food

can be bone broth. I drink if from a cup and sip the fat off the top.

<snip>

>The thing is that Niaciin, B complex, magnesium, vitamin C make me hurt my

esophagus and stomach.

I take vitamin C anyway. I'm scared to take cod liver oil since they told my

husband it was going to hurt my stomach.

I had a problem with B complex the first year I started Bee's program. I found

if I broke them in half could tolerate it better. I have read emails from newer

members saying they take lower doses of the supplements to start. The type of

supplements matter too. Bee's Ascorbic acid + Baking soda drink is actually

soothing to me instead of taking pills. Also for magnesium I slip 1/4 teaspoon

Epsom salts into my drinks at meals.

I am wondering if you have acid reflux. Be certain that you do not lie down or

bend over until your digestion settles if this is the case. I had bouts of this

on and off since I started the program and found if I sip some tea it is helps.

I wanted to suggest taking Baking Soda in water after such a reaction but I am

uncertain of the dosage. When I got bloating early in the program I found

bouncing on my rebounder helped move my bowels more frequently until I got up

the nerve to take enemas.

Hope this helps! Hang in there,

Nan

[Guest guest]

>

>...my cravings are for yolks! its too strange. I don't understand

why. I could eat yolks all day long.

Egg yolks are high in cholesterol and cholesterol is very important to

the healing process. Cholesterol is converted into many different

hormones, two such examples are cortisol and cortisone. These two

hormones help our bodies mangae stress and the inflamation caused by

fighting off candida. You may crave yolks due to an increased need

for cholesterol durring the healing process.

[Guest guest]

Hi Claudina,

I want to encourage you to stay on Bee's program. It really has worked

for me.

I have been on Bees program 2 1/2 years since this last July. I went

off diet in August/September after my son died. I got an awful

reaction about the 4th week off diet. I got debilitating gas and my

healing started going backward. My varicose veins, ear, sinus and

rectum problems all started coming back. Once I got back on Bees diet

my symptoms went away in about a week. To get well I have to stay

on the diet another 26 months for my recovery.

Regards,

Nan

>How long have you being in this program ? Do you still have candidiasis ?

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Nan,

> Thank you for your advices.

You're welcome Claudina

> I'm taking coconut oil and olive oil besides of butter.

> After the complex B made my stomach hurt, my husband asked an

employee at whole foods about the Niacin and she took a big book to

look for it and said that niacin cause stomach pain, magnesium says

the same. So I guess is not just myself.

I have never had stomach pain from taking Niacin, however, I always

take my supplements with food.

> Yes, I have GERD also.

> I have to wait 3 hours at night to be able to sleep.

> I spent most of my day sitting in bed, so digesting the food is

more slow, and perhaps is part of the problem.

When I began Bee's diet, I would do little bounces on my trampoline.

That seemed to speed up my digestion

> I'll try the epson salt.

Claudina, please do be careful beginning any new supplement. I take

1/4 teaspoon of Epsom salts but I started with just a pinch.

> Did the magnesium make your stomach upset?

The pills did if I took more than the minimum. Epsom salts can cause

loose stools if you take 1/2 - 2 teaspoons of it.

> I'm going through being vegetarian for about 22 years so it takes

time. I began with canned tuna ( in spring water no salt ) and made me

sick, I'm supposed is because I have to get accostume to animal

protein again.

I would say to add your changes slowly then. Certainly keep up with

your fat. I came off the worst kind of diet and I still recovered from

life threatening illnesses on Bee's diet.

> I'm eating eggs, most yolks than whites.

Have you tried Bee's egg drink? Why are you avoiding egg whites?

> In fact, I don't have cravings for sugar or those things ( I left

sugar too many years ago and avoided proccesed foods too ),

Congratulations!

>my cravings are for yolks !, is too strange. I don't understand why.

I could eat yolks all day long. Which I cannot do because I will have

to say god by to my liver, and on the other hand Bee told me yolks

have sulfur and that's why I was feeling more esophagus pain when I

ate 4 yolks a day.

I have read that egg yolks are high in fat. Perhaps your body is

craving the fat?

> I'll try the cod liver as you advice me and the epson salt with

magnesium.

Just try them in the smallest amounts first until your body can get

used to them.

> I'm taking a powder vitamin C wich is buffered after each meal,

but still I'm adding 1/4 spoon of baking soda each time just in case.

I hadn't seen buffered vitamin C before. Please check with Bee if this

is part of the problem. I use Ascorbic Acid Powder from Now.com in

equal portions with Baking Soda. That is 1/2 teaspoon of the Ascorbic

Acid Powder with 1/2 teaspoon of Baking Soda mixed in water and

immediately drunk before meals to help with digestion.

>But I notice my belly is more huge than before so perhaps is too much

sodium.

It certainly sounds like die-off to me.

I'll see.

> At least my body temperature changed: No more cold hands and feets.

That's great!

> How long have you being in this program ? Do you still have

candidiasis ?

I wrote you another note on this. 2 & 1/2 years and Yes I still have

candidiasis but I have recovered from all of my life threatening

illnesses: Uterine and rectal bleeding, staph infection in my sinuses

and a whole list of other stuff I'd rather forget. :b

Here is wishing you tremendous success.

Regards,

Nan

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave,

Through reading the posts of the people on this forum, you can

probably see the time and dedication that they are putting into their

healing. This diet has worked for so many, and it's working for me.

It's not a case of how much time I'm willing to give the diet

(although in early days I used to encourage myself by the thought of a

few days off at Christmas!). The point is, although the die-off

symptoms are not nice, at least I'm confident that the candida are

dying off, and thus my return to a state of health is getting ever

nearer. All who follow this diet also have the assurance that they

are not taking anything unnatural.

At some point you're going to have to give in to the knowledge that

this diet is the best way to tackle your health problems, or your

health will deteriorate even further. At least you know that

yeast/candida is the culprit. It's horrible when your body is packing

up on you and you've no idea why.

The diet seems difficult at first, but it's surprising how soon one

settles into a rhythm and finds variety within. I think one of the

biggest obstacles is quieting the voice of the lower self, which hates

the idea of letting go of it's worldly crutches.

There's a good deal of support here.

I wish you well.

Nicola

In , " Dave "

<palewhitedragon@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> What about those of us who do not want to spend this amount of time

and have

> it worse than a diet can fix?

> My yeast has gone beyond an annoyance.

>

> DAVE

>

[Guest guest]

>

> It wasn't anything else I consumed. All I had was my usual stuff at

> breakfast and I hadn't eaten in a couple of hours. I decided to eat

a

> butter ball as an experiment. Interestingly enough since then I

have been experimenting with X factor butter oil and ghee and neither

cause that symptom. That leads me to believe that it is a casein

allergy rather than detox which would be a bummer. Of course like you

say, maybe there was hidden MSG or other nasties in the butter.

> Irene

==>You could be right about your sensitivity to casein. Many candida

sufferers are intolerant of lactose " and " casein, but for most people

butter doesn't cause problems because it is extremely low in

lactose. The reason for sensitivity to casein is because of poor

digestion making it difficult for some people to digest it. Taking

enough betaine hydrochloric acid helps.

Butter oil is far superior to any other form of butter, if you can

afford it. Of course you only need 1/2 tsp 3 times a day.

Love, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Nan, Thank you for your advices.

> I'm taking coconut oil and olive oil besides of butter.

> After the complex B made my stomach hurt, my husband asked an

employee at whole foods about the Niacin and she took a big book to

look for it and said that niacin cause stomach pain, magnesium says

the same. So I guess is not just myself.

==>Niacin actually helps settle the stomach, and also magnesium, but

they should be taken with meals that contain plenty of fat and good

protein if you seem to be getting pains from it.

==>My friend takes niacin on an empty stomach and it settles it for

him. When I get stressed my stomach gets upset, and I can also take

50 mg of niacin, which I dissolve in my mouth, and it settles my

stomach too.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>>

> What about those of us who do not want to spend this amount of time

and have it worse than a diet can fix? My yeast has gone beyond an

annoyance.

>

==>DAVE, if you believe you have it worse than a diet can fix you

should find an Orthomolecular Physician who will administer intravenous

vitamin C treatments, because candida IS cancer! Or if you can afford

it see Dr. Simoncini in Italy to get his baking soda treatments. Do a

search of our Message Archives for messages about Cancer IS Candida.

After that you must go on the diet and take the supplements so it

doesn't return. Only by keeping your immune system strong can you hope

to be well.

Bee

[Guest guest]

//> I agree. After such a long run being a vegetarian, you're body is

probably just screaming for cholesterol and fats to heal.

Are you eating/craving raw egg yolks? If so, I can bet you that a lot

of your cravings are also tied to the fact that raw egg yolks are an

excellent source of fatty acids and undenatured amino acids, which we

all know play a very important role in generation of neurotransmitters

and feel good emotions, etc. Eating raw egg yolks daily, I am finding,

is a VERY VERY healthy thing to do. DO NOT LIMIT QUANTITY AND EAT THEM

DAILY! They are so good for your and healing for the body.

> >

> >...my cravings are for yolks! its too strange. I don't understand

> why. I could eat yolks all day long.

>

> Egg yolks are high in cholesterol and cholesterol is very important to

> the healing process. Cholesterol is converted into many different

> hormones, two such examples are cortisol and cortisone. These two

> hormones help our bodies mangae stress and the inflamation caused by

> fighting off candida. You may crave yolks due to an increased need

> for cholesterol durring the healing process.

>

[Guest guest]

--- In , " nhstarbear " <nhfearme@...>

I use Ascorbic Acid Powder from Now.com in

> equal portions with Baking Soda. That is 1/2 teaspoon of the Ascorbic

> Acid Powder with 1/2 teaspoon of Baking Soda mixed in water and

> immediately drunk before meals to help with digestion.

>

> >But I notice my belly is more huge than before so perhaps is too much

> sodium.

//> Hi, Nan and Claudina! Just wanted to add my feedback.

Sodium bicarbonate is an antagonist to HCl, which is necessary for

excellent digestion. I would not recommend using sodium bicarbonate

RIGHT before meals, but perhaps 30 minutes to 1 hour prior to meals.

You want to stimulate HCl for digestion with your meals, not

extinguish it with sodium bicarbonate just before.

[Guest guest]

I could be wrong here, but cortisol, from what I have read, is

important in helping our bodies deal with stress, the negative impact

of cortisol comes in when it is present in our bodies at elevated

levels for an extended periods of time.

http://stress.about.com/od/stresshealth/a/cortisol.htm

>

> I believe cortisol is the hormone we produce when we are going

through stress and I read it is not good for our body. So I guess I

was wrong...

[Guest guest]

I agree with your statements. In those who have problems with their

adrenals, it is usually inadequate levels of cortisol that is part of

the problem, because cortisol is a byproduct of the adrenal cortex.

Those with adrenal fatigue (or outright burnout) usually are not able

to mount sufficient levels of cortisol in response to stressful

situations to help manage them, and thus become tired, grumpy,

fatigued, and overall are not able to manage even the slightest of

stressful situations.

I've learned that providing the adrenals with adequate sodium (salt),

vitamin C, and B vitamins, as well as removing cortisol stimulants

such as excessive carbs and refined carbs in general and caffeine, at

the very minimum, is essential to help improve adrenal status, as

these are all nutrients/minerals that help feed the adrenals and help

them to do their job day in and day out.

>

> I could be wrong here, but cortisol, from what I have read, is

> important in helping our bodies deal with stress, the negative impact

> of cortisol comes in when it is present in our bodies at elevated

> levels for an extended periods of time.

>

> http://stress.about.com/od/stresshealth/a/cortisol.htm

[Guest guest]

Claudina,

Have you ever had your stomach acid levels tested? If not, how can you

conclusively say that you have too much stomach acid?

The reality of your situation is most likely just the opposite. It is

very rare that anyone actually has too much stomach acid. Reflux, IBS,

and gastritis are not conditions of having too much stomach acid, but

not having ENOUGH stomach acid.

All of your symptoms and inability to tolerate certain supplements

leads me to believe that you are lacking sufficient stomach acid. I

personally think you would benefit from using Betain HCl tablets at

the beginning and middle of your meals. This will help aid your

digestion and over time should help your gastritis condition.

Additionally, those with the most severe gastritis and thinned stomach

lining tend to have the strongest reactions to increased stomach acid,

which may potentially explain why certain supplements that aid in

stomach acid production might be causing you difficulties.

Are you taking sea salt with your meals? This will help to stimulate

hydrochloric acid production in the stomach also, as chloride is

necessary from salt to help generate HCl in the stomach.

Trust me, if you've had sufficient stomach acid levels this whole

time, you probably wouldn't have gastritis and IBS.

>

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> I'm sending the mail to you and to the group because lots of the

mail I sent are lost don't know where, but they are not posting....

>

> I was saying that I have lots of acid in my stomach. I think that

is the cause I've never had the H. bacteria in my stomach.

> Also anything that produce acid make my stomach hurt ( ex: Niacin,

gelatin, etc.)

> So believe it or not, some of us have more acidity than others.

Perhaps is not common, don't know that.

>

> Thank you for your responses.

> Claudina.

>

>

>

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