Re: Heart attack?

[Guest guest]

Debby,

that may well be the case for you, but did someone try and make you

'face up' on the very day or day after you thought you had a heart

attack? Ont he very day when you're scared and trying to get in to see

a doctor. Don't you think it would be good to get that cleared first

before all the psychology? If the 'tough love' is too tough it can

have the opposite effect. Timing is everything.

Elyse

On 2/8/07, Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...> wrote:

> I don't think it's unsupportive to tell someone

> something they *might* need to hear. I know that for

> me, what really turned me around was some tough love

> and looking at the choices I made was not pleasant at

> all.

>

> Had I not faced my own personal and painful truths

> with the help of my tough love mentor, I would not be

> where I am today, 130 pounds lighter and with 2 years

> and 4 months of abstinence under my belt.

[Guest guest]

--- fats_malone2002 <signposts8@...> wrote:

> I'm not trying to be politically correct Debby nor

> was I being

> hypocritical or giving a " nice safe answer " . I also

> don't pretend to

> know what needs, I am not God, I am not her

> mentor.

Hi ,

I'm not trying to argue I promise, just sharing my

point of view. So many things can be interpreted in

different ways, and this is a difficult medium to get

things across on. I don't know what needs

either, none of really do. I don't have to be God or

her mentor to have an opinion and share it with her,

and it's up to her how she uses that opinion. She can

try it on, see if it fits and use it or discard it..

that's up to her.

> I read

> Chris' post and was stunned at her experience and

> equally stunned at

> some of the rather judgemental responses to her,

I think what happened here is that many of us get

tired of fighting with the world over our dietary

choices. I've followed and studied low carb diets for

12 years. Over that time I modified my views slightly

and refined my food choices but under everything I

always had a firm belief that low carb diets are the

healthiest diets possible.

After spending 12 years in low carb newsgroups, I have

seen many people blame a low carb diet for various

things that were unrelated. It's very common when you

are up against the mainstream media to let them alarm

you and to feel unsure of your choices. People have a

hard time keeping the faith on the diet because of

external pressures and information.

Even my own husband took a long time to understand how

good all the fat I was eating was for me.. he often

expressed concern for me. Now after 5 years of being

together he has finally converted to a low carb diet

and is LOVING it. He's lost 54 pounds since

september. He's not doing a strict diet but he's

eating a lot better for sure.

I believe that low carb, and particularly the high

quality of Bee's diet which emphasizes the right fats,

proteins and supplements, can SAVE LIVES. So I am

committed to sharing it with people. When someone

posts and blames the diet for something I have no

doubt isn't related, I worry that many people who

could possibly have their lives SAVED by this diet

will be afraid and leave.

My mother is in her 50's and had a small heart attack

and stroke already. What I wouldn't give to have my

mother do this diet and have more time with her on

this earth. But because main stream media has

brainwashed her I doubt that will ever happen. So if

I can't help her than at least I can help others.

One of the happiest moments I've had lately happened

yesterday, when my 2 year old son started begging for

my food and kept saying " more more " (he was eating

broccoli with raw garlic and lemon juice and coconut

oil dressing). I am committed to helping the people I

love in my life, and because I care it does bother me

if people get scared away.

I'm sure you can see that this type of alarming

message can scare people away needlessly from doing a

diet that can help them and so others who are worn out

by having to constantly fight external sources, and

see this as a safe haven of understanding, and don't

want people scared away, understandably get a little

defensive when this wonderful diet is blamed for

unrelated health issues.

> Debby, I don't pretend to know it all, do you? So I

That's a rhetorical question obviously. But just

because I don't know everything doesn't mean I can't

offer opinions or suggestions. If the only people who

spoke on here were people who know everything, there'd

be ZERO posts.

> don't think any

> of us have any right to gamble with HER health and

> this experience

> and tell her she's " being negative " or " she's using

> excuses " and to

> give her " enlightening " analysis'. How dare anybody

I don't believe anyone has gambled with her health.

Pretty much everyone suggested going to see a doctor

to ensure she knows what she is dealing with. At the

same time considerations for her emotions were brought

up.

> I tell you now, after this? i will think very

> carefully before ever

> posting an experience. One gets enough of those

> around them in

> reality questioning their symptoms, or why they're

> doing this diet,

> without getting on here and having similar

> behaviours for different reasons.

Yes, really we do get enough of that and that's what I

was posting about above. I don't think the response

that got was in response to her experience, it

was in response to her blaming the diet and

questioning the information shared here. Many people

here believe strongly in this information. There is

not anything I can think of that would change my mind

about eating this way, so my concern is for others who

don't have the years of research on this I do.

> You are entitled to your opinion, but I'm more

> concerned about Chris'

> experience right now and if it is digestive? This

> is still a concern

> that her body maybe having problems digesting all

> the fat. i have no

> idea, and don't pretend to know either and hope she

> can get things

> checked.

The thing is that we might not know enough to diagnose

her, but we can give her our own experiences and some

likely directions to go in. That's what we do here,

because we have found that most doctors, who are

supposed to help us, instead give us poisonous pills,

so we choose to look for help in other avenues.

Personally I only go to doctors for tests, and then I

find my own way to fix anything needed.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

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motivated by guilt, shame and/or hate.

My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

[Guest guest]

--- marei <marei1204@...> wrote:

> I agree with y ou on the sugars but i am not too

> certain about the grain. Why does the FDA support

> grains as being a good thing to eat? I read the

> articles on the negatives of grains, jw what you

> think.

The FDA has corporations who lobby them, notably the

wheat council. So they advise you on stuff based on

who ever pays them enough. The same way doctors get

kickbacks from drug companies. I don't think it's a

conspiracy really, I think it's more of an idea that

was formed based on wrong information, has made a lot

of money and continues to make money.

The media is very powerful, and the people who make

money have spread the idea that sugar-coated,

wheat-based cereals are " healthy " . Doctors are

influenced by the media, by drug companies who sponsor

research. A lot of this started with the founder of

Kellogs, who owned a " health spa " and used it to

promote selling his cereal as a " health " product.

Another thing with wheat has to do with our evolution.

We evolved over millions of years by eating what we

could hunt and gather. Because human beings reproduce

relatively slowly compared to other animals, and only

have one offspring usually (compared to a rat who can

reproduce at something like 4 weeks old and has

litters of babies, often eating bad offspring), our

gene adaptation takes about 10,000 years and has much

less " survival of the fittest " involved because of

medical intervention. Grain was not introduced into

our diets until about 5,000 years ago, so since it

takes 10,000 years to adapt our genes have not adapted

yet.

So your body considers wheat foreign, and it produces

an immune system response to process it. In fact

wheat is not edible when it's not processed and in

it's natural form. So when you think about what foods

are healthy to eat, think of things you could eat and

digest raw. Fruit in tiny amounts might normally be

on that list, but when you have candida you have an

imbalance caused by drugs and overconsumption of

sugar, so you have to cut back on foods that contain

any type of sugar to starve the condida.

Additionally fruit has been modified so much over the

years that it's way higher in sugar than what our

ancestors ate, and plus fruit was only available in

certain areas and certain seasons, so it was not a

frequently eaten food. It was unavailable in many

areas too.

Did you know that the number one food intolerance

known to man is wheat, the second one dairy?

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

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motivated by guilt, shame and/or hate.

My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

[Guest guest]

> Did you know that the number one food intolerance

> known to man is wheat, the second one dairy?

WOW! i didnt know half of what you said but the diary

and wheat make sense for me as i have a reaction to

both.

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Marei

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HI Debby, I appreciate what you're saying, but I was not against

anybody giving their opinion. I was concerned and insulted on Chris'

behalf, by what I found to be rather belittling and judgemental

statements on a lady clearly experiencing a distressing event.

has been following this diet and happy with the fats. This

recent attack, whatever has caused it, has quite understandably

caused her to evaluate what she's doing or any changes that may have

brought that on. I saw no reason to start questioning her in what I

felt to be " talking down to her " . I didn't see her " blaming " the

diet, or out to intentionally alarm others, I saw her being concerned

and evaluating any possibilities. I would too!!! And it seems that

anybody having any remote doubts or daring to evaluate the diet due

to such an experience, is up for " suspicion " and it's beginning to

make this sound like some " cult " here. Which it is not. And it

should not be made out to be one. Clearly it is a lifestyle, a

healthy one, with ample evidence to back it up. however, this does

not give me or anybody a right to enforce anything over someone if

they have had some reaction that may cause them to evaluate things.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but opinions have had

people thrown off forums before and opinions have sometimes caused

unnecessary hurt in someone else, particulary if the person has been

trying, as most definitely has.

I appreciate your response to this diet, and what it's done for

others you know. And can understand your passion regarding this. I

also regret to hear about your poor Mum and yes, it's highly on the

cards she'd have benefitted greatly from this diet. But what happens

to one person, another may have smething else, and I felt the need to

stand up for in this regard. Sorry, but that's how I feel.

Anyway, again appreciate your own experience and you gave your

opinion, I gave mine. And I stick by it. I am concerned about her

and I'm sure you are too.

.

>

> Hi ,

>

> I'm not trying to argue I promise, just sharing my

> point of view. So many things can be interpreted in

> different ways, and this is a difficult medium to get

> things across on. I don't know what needs

> either, none of really do. I don't have to be God or

> her mentor to have an opinion and share it with her,

> and it's up to her how she uses that opinion. She can

> try it on, see if it fits and use it or discard it..

> that's up to her.

>

> >> Luv,

> Debby

> San , CA

>

>

>

> -------------

> I have never seen a person grow or change in a constructive

direction when motivated by guilt, shame and/or hate.

>

>

> My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04)

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

>

[Guest guest]

Well it's not like my life means that much to myself

or anyone else in my

> RL, really!

>

> Hey, you need to value yourself more, really you do and talk

positive! From reading your posts, I can see that you have a

hilarious sense of humor and I have really enjoyed reading them. So I

value you, especially now when nothing is funny at all. I am

suffering from OCD and depression and your posts and funnies lift me

up when I need it.

>

> I don't know you from anyone, but I value you. Give yourself a

break, OK????? please.

>

> Cary

OMG! That is the sweetest thing I have read in a long time. I just

opened my mailbox to a truckload of emails and just read this. I'm a

bit overwhelmed at the moment and need to rest. Still feel " heavy " at

the level of heart. Thanks so much. I will read emails and respond

hopefully tomorrow.

Your message really lifted me up Cary.

Thanks!

Chris.

[Guest guest]

I am so glad you are okay, even if you are not feeling good. I'll keep you in

my prayers. Cary

chrisruehl <chrisruehl@...> wrote: Well it's not like my life means that much to myself

or anyone else in my

> RL, really!

>

> Hey, you need to value yourself more, really you do and talk

positive! From reading your posts, I can see that you have a

hilarious sense of humor and I have really enjoyed reading them. So I

value you, especially now when nothing is funny at all. I am

suffering from OCD and depression and your posts and funnies lift me

up when I need it.

>

> I don't know you from anyone, but I value you. Give yourself a

break, OK????? please.

>

> Cary

OMG! That is the sweetest thing I have read in a long time. I just

opened my mailbox to a truckload of emails and just read this. I'm a

bit overwhelmed at the moment and need to rest. Still feel " heavy " at

the level of heart. Thanks so much. I will read emails and respond

hopefully tomorrow.

Your message really lifted me up Cary.

Thanks!

Chris.

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I believe milk is on this list because of pasteurization, which

completely denatures it. Modern wheat was developed a little over a

hundred years ago and became popular in the US because it could be

harvested with machines and gave a more reliable harvest. Spelt has

been eaten by people for over 8,000 years so we're a little better

adapted to eat it. But it's definitely not the healthiest food. The

archaeological record shows that after the invention of agriculture,

general health declined.

Here is an interesting article with some persuasive theories as to why

wheat causes food cravings...

http://www.bettykamen.com/articles/Origins-of-Agriculture.htm

-Judy

> Did you know that the number one food intolerance

> known to man is wheat, the second one dairy?

>

> Luv,

> Debby

> San , CA

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Judy,

Agriculture was around for 8,000 if you are from the

middle east (which I am not) but for us european

mixes, it is a much smaller number.

Milk followed the same path as other agriculture and

hence has the same time span. Can you imagine our

hunter-gatherer ancestors trying to milk a wild

buffalo or any other animal?

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- Judy Lawson <JDLawson@...> wrote:

> I believe milk is on this list because of

> pasteurization, which

> completely denatures it. Modern wheat was developed

> a little over a

> hundred years ago and became popular in the US

> because it could be

> harvested with machines and gave a more reliable

> harvest. Spelt has

> been eaten by people for over 8,000 years so we're a

> little better

> adapted to eat it. But it's definitely not the

> healthiest food. The

> archaeological record shows that after the invention

> of agriculture,

> general health declined.

>

> Here is an interesting article with some persuasive

> theories as to why

> wheat causes food cravings...

>

http://www.bettykamen.com/articles/Origins-of-Agriculture.htm

>

> -Judy

>

>

> > Did you know that the number one food intolerance

> > known to man is wheat, the second one dairy?

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My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

[Guest guest]

Debby,

You mentioned you had a tough love mentor. Is this someone that knew

you pretty well? Did you take this person on to be your mentor, did

they tailor their comments to you or was it just general. I'm curious

how this works or how it evolved.

On 2/8/07, Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...> wrote:

> I know that for me, what really turned me around was some tough love

> and looking at the choices I made was not pleasant at all.

>

> Had I not faced my own personal and painful truths

> with the help of my tough love mentor, I would not be

> where I am today, 130 pounds lighter and with 2 years

> and 4 months of abstinence under my belt.

>

> Luv,

> Debby

> San , CA

[Guest guest]

--- Hey chris.

I am glad you are ok. You should get into some body

type of work such as massage or the like. It will

help relieve your heavy heart. You dont need a psyc

dr just maybe something to begin with easy such as a

form of exercise or body work.( not that you need body

work haha)

where do you live? maybe we could help find someone

in your area to help.

take it EASY!

To Our Health,

Marei

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[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for your quick response. Someone has mentioned to me that

their daughter has a yellow cast to their skin and are wondering if

it could be the high beta carotene in it. Could that be possible?

Are there any antifungal properties in it?

==>Val, I don't know that much about palm oil. If she has a yellow

cast to her skin it could be high beta carotene from something, or

it could be liver problems. I do not know if palm oil is antifungal.

>

> Also, I find it ironic that so much bakery and store bought

foods contain palm oils and coconut oils. That is what gave it a bad

rap. Why couldn't they add pure unrefined coconut oil and palm oil

to their products. It would save alot of health problems by no trans

fats. OOPs--no it wouldn't its the sugar and grains that also cause

the damage, not just the trans fats.

==>So true Val.

Luv, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

My mentor is someone who has eaten an anti-candida

diet (almost identical to Bees minus supplements and

proper ratios) for 9 years without a cheat.

So I went out of my way to ask her for her help, since

I figure if you want to be successful ask someone who

is.

She barely knew me but she saw through a lot of stuff

I do and every conversation with her I cried, because

it was painful and I had to accept things I didn't

want to.

Noone made me do it, but I wish they would have a long

time ago, maybe I wouldn't have wasted so much of my

life.

Tough love works for me.. if it doesn't work for you

then you are free to disagree with me, but I am

sharing my own opinion.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- macedgeca <macedgeca@...> wrote:

> Debby,

> that may well be the case for you, but did someone

> try and make you

> 'face up' on the very day or day after you thought

> you had a heart

> attack? Ont he very day when you're scared and

> trying to get in to see

> a doctor. Don't you think it would be good to get

> that cleared first

> before all the psychology? If the 'tough love' is

> too tough it can

> have the opposite effect. Timing is everything.

> Elyse

>

>

>

> On 2/8/07, Debby Padilla-Hudson

> <debbypadilla@...> wrote:

>

> > I don't think it's unsupportive to tell someone

> > something they *might* need to hear. I know that

> for

> > me, what really turned me around was some tough

> love

> > and looking at the choices I made was not

> pleasant at

> > all.

> >

> > Had I not faced my own personal and painful

> truths

> > with the help of my tough love mentor, I would

> not be

> > where I am today, 130 pounds lighter and with 2

> years

> > and 4 months of abstinence under my belt.

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My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

[Guest guest]

--- fats_malone2002 <signposts8@...> wrote:

> brought that on. I saw no reason to start

> questioning her in what I

> felt to be " talking down to her " . I didn't see her

> " blaming " the

> diet, or out to intentionally alarm others, I saw

> her being concerned

> and evaluating any possibilities. I would too!!!

The bottom line is how you interpret things on the

net. Like recently I took something all wrong that

someone was writing to me, made up all of these

interpretations in my head, and it had nothing to do

with what she was saying. It's a human thing we do

which is color things with our own perspectives.

I don't believe was trying to be hurtful but

helpful. If you believe that then you might disagree

with her methods but not her intentions, and I find no

fault with her intentions not her methods. But if you

are assuming that her intentions were to be hurtful,

you might want to clarify that your perspective

actually aligns with what you hear her saying.

Like a wise woman once recently taught me, you can use

" mirroring " where you repeat back to the person what

was said, and how it sounded to you, and see if that's

what they meant. Sounds to me like you are assuming

right off the bat that she has malicious intentions.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

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My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Well I make a big batch of broccoli/beef every day,

and mix in about half cup each of lemon juice and

coconut oil, and about 6 cloves of raw crushed garlic

and 1 tsp of sea salt.

So what my son was eating was that whole concoction

which is pretty good. Since the beef and broccoli are

heated up in the morning, they melt everything

together, and then I keep the food with me all day so

it stays at least room temp.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- feelin like <feelinlike80@...> wrote:

> Debby,

> I was just wondering how you make this dressing as

> it sounds good. My coconut oil is solid at room

> temp. Do you melt it first or something? What are

> the ratios of lemon & garlic you use?

> Thanks!

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motivated by guilt, shame and/or hate.

My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

[Guest guest]

Sorry Debby, I had a few people email me who agreed fully with me

about this. So I am not the only one here who felt that both

and you were out of line in how you spoke to a lady who had an

attack. This seems to be overlooked in all your responses.

I don't recall stating 's and your responses were deliberately

malicious, but I was surprised and upset on Chris' behalf at the

response from both of you concerning her and this attack and I have

every right to express that. Chris' attack is the issue here and I

am not overly swayed or interested by further ongoing lengthy " learn

from me " responses,and I'd appreciate it if you spared me more of the

same.

I'd really like to move on thank you.

.

>

>

> I don't believe was trying to be hurtful but

> helpful. If you believe that then you might disagree

> with her methods but not her intentions, and I find no

> fault with her intentions not her methods. But if you

> are assuming that her intentions were to be hurtful,

> you might want to clarify that your perspective

> actually aligns with what you hear her saying.

>

> Like a wise woman once recently taught me, you can use

> " mirroring " where you repeat back to the person what

> was said, and how it sounded to you, and see if that's

> what they meant. Sounds to me like you are assuming

> right off the bat that she has malicious intentions.

>

>

> Luv,

> Debby

> San , CA

>

>

> -------------

> I have never seen a person grow or change in a constructive

direction when motivated by guilt, shame and/or hate.

>

>

> My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04)

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

>

[Guest guest]

I've always believed that if you want to be

successful, you ask someone who is. My mentor was

someone I found through searching the net, and is

someone who has followed an anti-candida diet (would

fall in line right with Bee's minus supplements) for

health and weight loss without deviation for 9 years,

and she is like me a food addict.

She's not super technical about health but she is very

into tough love mentality. I asked her to be my

mentor but not until I had 4 months of a clean diet

under my belt, so I could show her I was willing to

try.

She has her own website but her manner is very

confronting, so you have to be pretty secure to deal

with it, but I want to face my truths even if it is

painful and not fun, and she usually has some good

points.

I have cried many times in our conversations but the

pain was necessary and made me grow quite a bit. I do

find myself wanting to resist her but I don't let

myself.

As human beings there are so many things about

ourselves we don't want to admit, deal with or change,

and it's often those things that keep us from moving

forward, and our denial of those things.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- macedgeca <macedgeca@...> wrote:

> Debby,

> You mentioned you had a tough love mentor. Is this

> someone that knew

> you pretty well? Did you take this person on to be

> your mentor, did

> they tailor their comments to you or was it just

> general. I'm curious

> how this works or how it evolved.

>

>

>

> On 2/8/07, Debby Padilla-Hudson

> <debbypadilla@...> wrote:

>

> > I know that for me, what really turned me around

> was some tough love

> > and looking at the choices I made was not

> pleasant at all.

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I have never seen a person grow or change in a constructive direction when

motivated by guilt, shame and/or hate.

My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/