Re: candida is cancer

August 21, 2007

I think that chemotherapy helps fungus to grow since it kills the good

bacteria. There are many people who go thru chemotherapy and

are " cured " of cancer and go thru life cancer free. So if candida is

cancer how it that possible? I would think it would make it worse.

Just a question I was pondering.

Happiness, Ellen " -)

August 21, 2007

Good points ellen. I do not beleive that candida is

cancer at all. You are right that when someone goes

thru chemo, yeast can take over...This candida is

cancer thing is a myth that we should not play with.

Until you know the cause of cancers, lets not assume

we know what we are talking about.

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August 21, 2007

I've been thinking about this. I should go and read the original websites

again. I wonder if something is backwards.

Saying " Cancer is Candida " is not the same as saying " Candida is Cancer " .

That is like saying, to quote Carroll, that " I breathe when I sleep "

is the same thing as saying " I sleep when I breathe " .

I can see cancer possibly being a later stage in the development of

candida. It wouldn't mean that you have cancer if you have a candida

problem. Extensive research I've read indicates that cancer is caused by

a gradual (over many years) increasing level of oxygen starvation. Cancer

is anaerobic.

Chemotherapy comes close to killing the patient. In many cases (like my

aunt) it does ultimately kill the patient. The idea is that most of the

body's cells are stronger than the cancer cells and so you can come close

to killing the patient but not quite, and hope it does kill off the

cancer.

It always seemed to me there's got to be a better way. Pau d'arco tea is

touted as a possible cancer cure. There have been electronic means of

curing cancer, which became highly suppressed by the medical community.

Some of these might work on candida too, but their secrets died with the

inventors.

Zack

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, ekhillgardner wrote:

> I think that chemotherapy helps fungus to grow since it kills the good

> bacteria. There are many people who go thru chemotherapy and

> are " cured " of cancer and go thru life cancer free. So if candida is

> cancer how it that possible? I would think it would make it worse.

> Just a question I was pondering.

> Happiness, Ellen " -)

>

August 22, 2007

Is anyone in this grou familiar with dr andrew weil?

His ideas are a lot like this groups only he suggests

lotz of fruits berries and nuts as part of an anti

inflamatory diet? This group does not allow fruits and

berries as part of an anti candida diet, but how do

you feel about these things if you are not suffering

with candida

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August 22, 2007

Dear Zack,

Some laboratories and countries are very evil.

Sooo many years ago, I had an aunt that began, with other people, with the

CROTOXINA treatment in Argentina. She wasn't a doctor, in fact, she was an

artist.

She had breast cancer and didn't want the surgery when her cancer began.

Lots of people were doing the tretment and they were doing progress and

suddenly the Goverment decided to prohibit the crotoxina ( wich was made from

snake poison ).

She died. Lots of people died.

Then we, the population, realized that was a maneuver of a laboratory from

Europe, which began to use that for doing a drug and earned lots of money.

But they didn't care about the people who was left in the middle of the

treatment.

So anything can be possible.

We live in an upside down world, with wrong values.

Just look around.

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August 22, 2007

If I recall correctly, Royal Rife attributed the cause of cancer to a

microbe(pleomorphic) originating in mushrooms, pork, and chicken. I

read this in the book, The Cancer Cure That Worked, by Barry Lynes.

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by

>>> I've been thinking about this. I should go and read the original

websites

> again. I wonder if something is backwards.

>

> Saying " Cancer is Candida " is not the same as saying " Candida is

Cancer " .

> That is like saying, to quote Carroll, that " I breathe when I

sleep "

> is the same thing as saying " I sleep when I breathe " .

>>> There have been electronic means of

> curing cancer, which became highly suppressed by the medical

community.

> Some of these might work on candida too, but their secrets died

with the

> inventors.

>

> Zack

August 23, 2007

Hi Joe,

I'm short on time. Dr. Simoncini also has his patients on a diet but

I don't know what it is. You must still build up your immune system

in order to cure candida. The immune system is the only way to " make

candida change back into the friendly organism it is supposed to

be " . Dr. S. is getting rid of tumours, which is great, but the

person would still grow back other tumours unless they build up their

immune system with proper nutrients. So baking soda treatment does

not mean you don't have to eat well. It's the end all to beat all

treatment.

Luv, Bee

>

> hi bee

>

> thanx for this link.

>

> i've been reding through his website, but i still dont understand

the

> implications for someone who has candida overgrowth that as not yet

> become a tumourous cancer,

>

> if he can get people cancer free within a few months of sodium

> bicarbonate treatment then cud us people with only mild candida

> symptoms be cured by taking it orally, especially wen considering

we

> have been doing an excellent diet for a long time.

>

> he says " If the cancer is limited within the organ's (not

infiltrated

> into the confined tissue) it is possible to apply the therapy by

> himself. Examples are: Oral cavity, oesophagus, stomach, intestine

> rectum. This is also possible in case of skin cancer like melanoma

or

> in case of psoriasis. The supervision of a doctor is indicated. For

> other type of cancer the involvement of a doctor is mandatory... "

>

> i think it is something i would like to try, he was metioning how

> fungus can become genetically resistant to normal antifugals, which

> only appear to work for a while, but no so sodium bicarbonate, he

says

>

> " At the moment, against fungi there is no useful remedy other than,

> in my opinion, sodium bicarbonate. The anti-fungins that are

> currently on the market, in fact, do not have the ability to

> penetrate the masses (except perhaps early administrations of azoli

> or of amfotercin B delivered parenterally), since they are

conceived

> to act only at a stratified level of epithelial type. They are

> therefore unable to affect myceliar aggregations set volumetrically

> and also masked by the connectival reaction that attempts to

> circumscribe them. "

>

> " We have seen that fungi are also able to quickly mutate their

> genetic structure. That means that after an initial phase of

> sensitivity to fungicides, in a short time they are able to codify

> them and to metabolise them without being damaged by

> them .......Sodium bicarbonate, instead, as it is extremely

> diffusible and without that structural complexity that fungi can

> easily codify, retains for a long time its ability to penetrate the

> masses. This is also and especially due to the speed at which it

> disintegrates them, which makes fungi's adaptability impossible,

thus

> it cannot defend itself "

>

> he goes on to say we should be persistant in treatment.

>

> i am aware u have probably read all this, i just wanted to know

what

> u though and if u think i could administer it myself orally

>

> thanx joe

>

August 23, 2007

Just a note here. If you read Dr. Simoncini's website thoroughly,

you'll find his baking soda treatment is meant to be done through

catheters into blood vessels near the affected areas. It is NOT an

orally-consumed baking soda treatment. This puts his particular

treatment out of the realm of something you could do yourself.

I have no idea who can or would be willing to do such a treatment in other

countries. Going to Italy for a treatment would be pretty expensive!

Zack

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, Bee wrote:

> Hi Joe,

> I'm short on time. Dr. Simoncini also has his patients on a diet but

> I don't know what it is. You must still build up your immune system

> in order to cure candida. The immune system is the only way to " make

> candida change back into the friendly organism it is supposed to

> be " . Dr. S. is getting rid of tumours, which is great, but the

> person would still grow back other tumours unless they build up their

> immune system with proper nutrients. So baking soda treatment does

> not mean you don't have to eat well. It's the end all to beat all

> treatment.

>

> Luv, Bee

>

August 23, 2007

Bee,

what do you think of this statement that i got from

another site,

Candida is not cancer. The statement is as silly as

the one about cancer being a fungus.

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August 23, 2007

Hi ,

If you could tell Bee (and the rest of us) which website you got your

information from it might make a difference as to what her opinion

would be.

Also, you seem to have a pretty strong opinion on this. Perhaps you

could elaborate on why that is?

I'm a breast cancer survivor and have been through the mainstream

Western medical protocols for cancer (surgery and chemo). Personally I

haven't made up mind about this new info but I'm not rejecting it

outright. Everyone can research it and decide for themselves.

thanks,

jackie

>

> Bee,

>

> what do you think of this statement that i got from

> another site,

>

> Candida is not cancer. The statement is as silly as

> the one about cancer being a fungus.

>

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August 23, 2007

I have to be honest and admit that up until a few days ago I really didn't

know a whole lot about cancer. I've learned a lot perusing the web. I

want to do a posting giving my thoughts but it's probably going to be

lengthy and I haven't had time to assemble it yet.

Here is an interesting website to look at for starters, though:

http://www.karlloren.com/biopsy/index.htm

Dr. Karl Loren, whose real FIRST name is Loren, is an old acquaintance of

mine. A brilliant man and a great guy!

Zack

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, c c wrote:

>

> Bee,

>

> what do you think of this statement that i got from

> another site,

>

> Candida is not cancer. The statement is as silly as

> the one about cancer being a fungus.

>

August 23, 2007

I meant to include this page too, also by Dr. Karl Loren. Take a look!

http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/PreventCancer/p49.htm

There's more info if you back up a step:

http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/PreventCancer/

Zack

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, Zack Widup wrote:

>

> I have to be honest and admit that up until a few days ago I really didn't

> know a whole lot about cancer. I've learned a lot perusing the web. I

> want to do a posting giving my thoughts but it's probably going to be

> lengthy and I haven't had time to assemble it yet.

>

> Here is an interesting website to look at for starters, though:

>

> http://www.karlloren.com/biopsy/index.htm

>

> Dr. Karl Loren, whose real FIRST name is Loren, is an old acquaintance of

> mine. A brilliant man and a great guy!

>

> Zack

August 23, 2007

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Hi Jackie,

The statement i sent to bee came from the candidias

group. It is NOT my opinion. I just wanted the

opinion of the leaders and others in this group.

I actually do not have an opinion of this topic. Just

trying to collect information is why i joined in

onthis topic.

Thanks. Hopefully this will help to come to some sort

of opinion. I do not remember if the group at

candidiasis had elaborated on this decision. If you

are a member of this group maybe you can do a search

for more information.

Sorry to hear about your cancer? Do you think that

this diet has aided in your recovery?

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August 23, 2007

er I am confused then...

you wrote:

" Good points ellen. I do not beleive that candida is

cancer at all. You are right that when someone goes

thru chemo, yeast can take over...This candida is

cancer thing is a *myth that we should not play with*.

Until you know the cause of cancers, lets not assume

we know what we are talking about. "

and you wrote:

" where is dr simoncini's support system? certainly a

Doctor does not come up with a theory as important as

this one without some type of support? Why is it that

no one has come to his aid.

If he truly had the cure or reason why cancer occurs

he would not be on the internet with this information.

He could be a millionaire and a sure trip into heaven

with this kind of new if it were true... "

and you also wrote:

" --- I honestly doubt this to be true. that would mean

that 80% of us will get cancer smanser.... "

excuse me if that is NOT having an OPINION about this then I don't know what

is really.

You have been very very very adamant that the idea that cancer is a fungus

is a myth and wrong.

in the UK

On 8/23/07, c c <tranquilmoment@... > wrote:

>

> ---

> Hi Jackie,

>

> The statement i sent to bee came from the candidias

> group. It is NOT my opinion. I just wanted the

> opinion of the leaders and others in this group.

>

> I actually do not have an opinion of this topic. Just

> trying to collect information is why i joined in

> onthis topic.

>

> Thanks. Hopefully this will help to come to some sort

> of opinion. I do not remember if the group at

> candidiasis had elaborated on this decision. If you

> are a member of this group maybe you can do a search

> for more information.

>

> Sorry to hear about your cancer? Do you think that

> this diet has aided in your recovery?

>

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August 23, 2007

The cause of cancer has been known for over 100 years. It was proven

beyond any doubt by Royal Rife and Arthur Kendall in the

early 1930s but was treated quite successfully in 1910 by Bell

in London. In America, Eli G. also understood the mechanism and

he too was routinely curing cancer. Otto Warburg was awarded the 1931

Nobel Prize in physiology for proving the prime cause which is

hypoxia, the starvation for oxygen at the cellular level. Dr. Warburg

discovered that when the oxygen absorption level was reduced by 35%

from normal, the cell ALWAYS became cancerous. He demonstrated the

mechanism many times with 100% reliability. The cell either dies or

it shifts its respiration from mostly oxygen and a small amount of

glucose in a 1:36 ratio to an anaerobic fermentation that burns

mostly sugars to make a crude form of ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate) at

a ratio of 1:4 or 1:5. The waste products of this fermentation is

carbon monoxide and lactic acid, both of which the body has

difficulty ridding itself of. The pollution from this process drives

the pH to a more acidic state and this causes a pleomorphic shift in

Progenator Cryptocides to morph into a virus-like form first

identified and seen by Dr. Rife in his spectacular light heterodyning

microscope which he named BX and BY for Sarcoma and Carcinoma. Cancer

is the mycelial stage of the cyclogenia pleomorphia first postulated

by Nebel of Germany. Today it is known to be a fungus known as Mucor

Racemosis Fresen. Because these fungi ramify, that is to form roots

into tissue, it proliferates in a high acid pH environment.

Cancer is a metabolic disorder and is absolutely curable if one

cleans up the internal environment and restores correct nutrients,

mainly minerals that cause the pH to shift once again to earlier

pleomorphic stages and subsequently into the first three primary

stages of cysts, rods and double rods. Dr. Rife demonstrated this on

the Kendall 'K' media and observed that by taking harmless Bacillus

coli buy altering the pH over 36 hours he could change the organism

into various diseases including both Sarcomatous and Carcinoma

cancers and then back again to harmless B coli.

Allopathic treatment of cancer is totally fraudulent. The cure is

within the reach of every person who suffers from the disease if they

are willing to radically alter their life-style. Tumors will shrink

on their own and will be resorbed by the body and burned as fuel. If

you submit to conventional cancer treatment, your immune system will

be severely damaged and your chances for a cure are substantially

diminished. Cancer will never be cured. Its just too profitable for

the medical establishment to give up on. The good news is that you

don't need doctors to rid yourself of cancer. All you need is

knowledge and some good old fashioned guts to make drastic changes in

your life. You and only you can prevent the forest fires that we call

cancer...

To quote dr. Bell: " Cancer is Nature's protest against

disobedience and is the penalty she imposes upon those who, knowingly

or unknowingly, have ignored her teachings. "

in the UK Said:

" Until you know the cause of cancers, lets not assume

we know what we are talking about. "

August 23, 2007

Hi ,

>

> The statement i sent to bee came from the candidias

> group. It is NOT my opinion. I just wanted the

> opinion of the leaders and others in this group.

I believe you said the comment was from another site which I assumed

meant another " web-site " ... and that maybe there was some specific,

substantiating facts, tests or analysis for the conclusion, such as

Dr. Simocini has cited.

If it's commentary from another group then it is the opinion of the

author. That would be beneficial for Bee to know in order to answer

your question. Although it probably wouldn't affect her opinion in any

way.

>

> I actually do not have an opinion of this topic. Just

> trying to collect information is why i joined in

> onthis topic.

This is a confusing statement to me. As has pointed out by

copying and pasting in another post the various comments that you've

already made, it DOES appear to me that you have a very definite

opinion about this topic.

>

> Thanks. Hopefully this will help to come to some sort

> of opinion.

Why does there need to be an opinion or " decision " that we all agree

on? Bee is the group owner and felt the information wass important to

share with the group. Therefore she posted it to the group. As with

all information here and anywhere else, it is up to each individual

what you choose to do with it.

>I do not remember if the group at

> candidiasis had elaborated on this decision. If you

> are a member of this group maybe you can do a search

> for more information.

no, I'm not a member of the candidiasis group. I don't like the

argumentative nature of it. I've found everything I need on the topic

here.

>

> Sorry to hear about your cancer? Do you think that

> this diet has aided in your recovery?

I found this diet a few years after my bout with cancer so it had no

bearing on that experience at all. What I came to know then, however,

was that cancer was ultimately a disease of a malfunctioning immunes

system...just like candida is. We all have rogue cells in our bodies

that have the potential to become cancerous. A healthy immune system

prevents them from becoming a tumor. So for me, following this diet

supports the continued health of my immune system and is a

preventative measure from any recurance.

jackie

August 24, 2007

hi zack

i ahve read most of his website and he says to take it orally for tumours in

the stomach and intestines. there is now a treatment for it in bee files, second

one,

lv joe

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