Re: kids on the diet was: Not enough fat

[Guest guest]

You kids love garlic tea? Wow.

I am getting ready to put my son age 5 on the diet and I would appreciate

any advice or words of wisdom. The good news is that he already on a good

diet just not a candida diet. He takes cod liver oil, coconut oil and

butter oil off the spoon. And we don't eat junk food, processed food, or

breads. He already takes supplements without a problem so switching for the

candida ones shouldn't be an issue. My big problem with him is snacks.

Right now snack for him means fruit, especially bananas. So I don't know

right now how to deal with that. And for breakfast he eats oatmeal and he

dearly loves his oatmeal. At lunch he always has a hamburger with rice

noodles (with coconut oil and salt). So far I have " forgotten " to make his

noodles a couple of times and he was ok with it but he substituted and

apple. Since I have started on the diet I have been making " no starch "

dinners, so I think he is mostly used to that now. Anyway, if anyone with

kids on the diet have any words of wisdom I would be appreciative. I would

like to do this without making a power struggle out of eating if possible.

Also what do you do about birthday parties? Right now, we bring our own

food which is gluten free pizza and home made cake. But of course none of

those things are on the diet. I am wondering how other parents handle it.

Thanks,

Irene

At 09:04 AM 10/29/2007, you wrote:

>HI ,

>

>we drink lots of garlic tea. Crush 5 cloves of garlic and pour 4 cups of

>boiling water of them. Steep for 20 mintues.

>

>When I pour it into the cups I add herbamare (which has lots of sea salt in

>it) and recently I have been adding

>butter. It is like drinking soup. REALLY nice. Children love it.

>

>Hope this helps

>

> in the UK

>

>On 10/29/07, harrywendrich

><<mailto:wendrich7%40tiscali.co.uk>wendrich7@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Just in case you haven't come across these suggestions...

> >

> > When you feel like a snack, a tablespoon of unsalted butter is a grat

> > way to raise your fat intake. Might sound disgusting, but it's okay

> > really, and it's worth experimenting with different butters. I've

> > just found a really tasty Italian organc butter which I actually enjoy

> > eating (some are rather bland). A few spoons a day...great if you can

> > tolerate butter.

> >

> > When you eat steamed veg, you could put a tablespoon of butter over

> > them, or a generous amount of olive oil. Olive oil goes well in a mix

> > with tuna, sauerkraut and tomatoes also.

> >

> > Again, with broth/soup, adding a large spoon of butter gets the fat

> > you need into your system, in a pleasant way. I definitely recommend

> > preparing a broth from the bones and leftover fatty bits of whatever

> > joint you roast.

> >

> > A shoulder of lamb is far more fatty than a leg (from the stores I

> > shop in), and don't forget that all the crispy chicken skin is a great

> > fat supply, cover it with sea salt and enjoy!

> >

> > Hope this helps.

> > Love,

> > Nicola

> >

> >

> > >

> > >Any suggestions on

> > > what I could eat to get the fat without the protein. >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Irene,

My children are 5 and 7. That is really good that your son is already

doing some of the recommended steps especially the oils/fats you mentioned.

Furthermore the lack of breads, junk food and processed food will make

a transition easier for both of you.

As for mine, if you do a search for my posts in the archives you will see

previous posts I have made about my children.

Also there is an article about children in the files and it talks about how

to deal with various issues of changing them over.

I think what you are doing with 'forgetting' to make noodles and getting

the starch out of your evening meal is great. Doing steps like that

every few days I would say would work well.

AS for the fruit...well we were raw vegan before seeing the error of our

ways. My children had a large amount of fruit / vegetables daily and

I just literally sat them down one day, we discussed candida and what

it could do to us and what we were doing to make it grow and what

we could do to make it " go Away " . Ok technically it won't go away..

BUT that is the best I could do for this age.

Everything was fine. Fruit was removed from teh house totally and given

away.

(boy we had lots). They asked I think 4 or 5 times for fruit and that was

it.

I reminded them why we weren't having anymore fruit and some of the

so called 'raw vegan superfoods' and they understood.

Obviously removing the fruit and the 'superfoods' from the house took

temptation out of

the way. Can't give them something that is not here. For the last 9 months

they

have never asked for any fruit or superfood.

We go for butter or coconut oil. If you can get that consumption up

then 'hunger' does diminish.

As for breakfast, Bee's egg drink is what they have every morning. Always.

They love it and think it is great. They normally aren't hungry for at least

4 hours.

parties.. well when we used to go to this type of event I always took my own

stuff

for them and put it on their plates. It was pretty much a non issue as they

have

been brought up knowing how bad candy, potato chips, junk food, soft drinks

etc is

for the human body.. What I used to take was egg salad with celery

stalks, baby

tomatoes, cucumbers, hamburgers (just the meat obviously), hot wings,

homemade

ketchup, homemade mayo, for example.

They just said no to the cake, ice cream, and sugar laden candy because they

were

taught it was not good for them.

perhaps others with different circumstances can help more in that area.

Hope this helps

in the UK

On 10/29/07, Irene.M@... <Irene.M@...> wrote:

>

> You kids love garlic tea? Wow.

> I am getting ready to put my son age 5 on the diet and I would appreciate

> any advice or words of wisdom. The good news is that he already on a good

> diet just not a candida diet. He takes cod liver oil, coconut oil and

> butter oil off the spoon. And we don't eat junk food, processed food, or

> breads. He already takes supplements without a problem so switching for

> the

> candida ones shouldn't be an issue. My big problem with him is snacks.

> Right now snack for him means fruit, especially bananas. So I don't know

> right now how to deal with that. And for breakfast he eats oatmeal and he

> dearly loves his oatmeal. At lunch he always has a hamburger with rice

> noodles (with coconut oil and salt). So far I have " forgotten " to make his

>

> noodles a couple of times and he was ok with it but he substituted and

> apple. Since I have started on the diet I have been making " no starch "

> dinners, so I think he is mostly used to that now. Anyway, if anyone with

> kids on the diet have any words of wisdom I would be appreciative. I would

>

> like to do this without making a power struggle out of eating if possible.

> Also what do you do about birthday parties? Right now, we bring our own

> food which is gluten free pizza and home made cake. But of course none of

> those things are on the diet. I am wondering how other parents handle it.

> Thanks,

> Irene

>

> At 09:04 AM 10/29/2007, you wrote:

>

> >HI ,

> >

> >we drink lots of garlic tea. Crush 5 cloves of garlic and pour 4 cups of

> >boiling water of them. Steep for 20 mintues.

> >

> >When I pour it into the cups I add herbamare (which has lots of sea salt

> in

> >it) and recently I have been adding

> >butter. It is like drinking soup. REALLY nice. Children love it.

> >

> >Hope this helps

> >

> > in the UK

> >

> >On 10/29/07, harrywendrich

>

><<mailto:wendrich7%40tiscali.co.uk>wendrich7@...<wendrich7%40tiscali.\

co.uk>>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Just in case you haven't come across these suggestions...

> > >

> > > When you feel like a snack, a tablespoon of unsalted butter is a grat

> > > way to raise your fat intake. Might sound disgusting, but it's okay

> > > really, and it's worth experimenting with different butters. I've

> > > just found a really tasty Italian organc butter which I actually enjoy

> > > eating (some are rather bland). A few spoons a day...great if you can

> > > tolerate butter.

> > >

> > > When you eat steamed veg, you could put a tablespoon of butter over

> > > them, or a generous amount of olive oil. Olive oil goes well in a mix

> > > with tuna, sauerkraut and tomatoes also.

> > >

> > > Again, with broth/soup, adding a large spoon of butter gets the fat

> > > you need into your system, in a pleasant way. I definitely recommend

> > > preparing a broth from the bones and leftover fatty bits of whatever

> > > joint you roast.

> > >

> > > A shoulder of lamb is far more fatty than a leg (from the stores I

> > > shop in), and don't forget that all the crispy chicken skin is a great

> > > fat supply, cover it with sea salt and enjoy!

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > > Love,

> > > Nicola

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >Any suggestions on

> > > > what I could eat to get the fat without the protein. >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, that helps a lot.

How did you break the diet to your kids, as something temporary or

something that you would do forever?

The children's file includes using a lot of foods that are not on the diet

such as nuts, rice,milk and dried fruit as a compromise to change them

over. Are you doing any of that? We are already not eating that stuff other

than the rice occasionally so I don't really want to include the compromise

food.

My son is basically healthy but does have tummy issues and I suspect that

it will have to be a rather strict diet program for a while to get it under

control. I am hoping it is temporary. Your kids have been on the diet for 9

months. Have you started bringing any foods back in?

Thanks,

irene

At 12:34 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:

>Dear Irene,

>

>My children are 5 and 7. That is really good that your son is already

>doing some of the recommended steps especially the oils/fats you mentioned.

>Furthermore the lack of breads, junk food and processed food will make

>a transition easier for both of you.

>

>As for mine, if you do a search for my posts in the archives you will see

>previous posts I have made about my children.

>

>Also there is an article about children in the files and it talks about how

>to deal with various issues of changing them over.

>

>I think what you are doing with 'forgetting' to make noodles and getting

>the starch out of your evening meal is great. Doing steps like that

>every few days I would say would work well.

>

>AS for the fruit...well we were raw vegan before seeing the error of our

>ways. My children had a large amount of fruit / vegetables daily and

>I just literally sat them down one day, we discussed candida and what

>it could do to us and what we were doing to make it grow and what

>we could do to make it " go Away " . Ok technically it won't go away..

>BUT that is the best I could do for this age.

>

>Everything was fine. Fruit was removed from teh house totally and given

>away.

>(boy we had lots). They asked I think 4 or 5 times for fruit and that was

>it.

>I reminded them why we weren't having anymore fruit and some of the

>so called 'raw vegan superfoods' and they understood.

>

>Obviously removing the fruit and the 'superfoods' from the house took

>temptation out of

>the way. Can't give them something that is not here. For the last 9 months

>they

>have never asked for any fruit or superfood.

>

>We go for butter or coconut oil. If you can get that consumption up

>then 'hunger' does diminish.

>

>As for breakfast, Bee's egg drink is what they have every morning. Always.

>They love it and think it is great. They normally aren't hungry for at least

>4 hours.

>

>parties.. well when we used to go to this type of event I always took my own

>stuff

>for them and put it on their plates. It was pretty much a non issue as they

>have

>been brought up knowing how bad candy, potato chips, junk food, soft drinks

>etc is

>for the human body.. What I used to take was egg salad with celery

>stalks, baby

>tomatoes, cucumbers, hamburgers (just the meat obviously), hot wings,

>homemade

>ketchup, homemade mayo, for example.

>

>They just said no to the cake, ice cream, and sugar laden candy because they

>were

>taught it was not good for them.

>

>perhaps others with different circumstances can help more in that area.

>

>Hope this helps

>

> in the UK

>

>On 10/29/07, <mailto:Irene.M%40adelphia.net>Irene.M@...

><<mailto:Irene.M%40adelphia.net>Irene.M@...> wrote:

> >

> > You kids love garlic tea? Wow.

> > I am getting ready to put my son age 5 on the diet and I would appreciate

> > any advice or words of wisdom. The good news is that he already on a good

> > diet just not a candida diet. He takes cod liver oil, coconut oil and

> > butter oil off the spoon. And we don't eat junk food, processed food, or

> > breads. He already takes supplements without a problem so switching for

> > the

> > candida ones shouldn't be an issue. My big problem with him is snacks.

> > Right now snack for him means fruit, especially bananas. So I don't know

> > right now how to deal with that. And for breakfast he eats oatmeal and he

> > dearly loves his oatmeal. At lunch he always has a hamburger with rice

> > noodles (with coconut oil and salt). So far I have " forgotten " to make his

> >

> > noodles a couple of times and he was ok with it but he substituted and

> > apple. Since I have started on the diet I have been making " no starch "

> > dinners, so I think he is mostly used to that now. Anyway, if anyone with

> > kids on the diet have any words of wisdom I would be appreciative. I would

> >

> > like to do this without making a power struggle out of eating if possible.

> > Also what do you do about birthday parties? Right now, we bring our own

> > food which is gluten free pizza and home made cake. But of course none of

> > those things are on the diet. I am wondering how other parents handle it.

> > Thanks,

> > Irene

> >

> > At 09:04 AM 10/29/2007, you wrote:

> >

> > >HI ,

> > >

> > >we drink lots of garlic tea. Crush 5 cloves of garlic and pour 4 cups of

> > >boiling water of them. Steep for 20 mintues.

> > >

> > >When I pour it into the cups I add herbamare (which has lots of sea salt

> > in

> > >it) and recently I have been adding

> > >butter. It is like drinking soup. REALLY nice. Children love it.

> > >

> > >Hope this helps

> > >

> > > in the UK

> > >

> > >On 10/29/07, harrywendrich

> > ><<mailto:wendrich7%40tiscali.co.uk><mailto:wendrich7%40tiscali.co.uk>we

> ndrich7@...<wendrich7%40tiscali.co.uk>>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi ,

> > > >

> > > > Just in case you haven't come across these suggestions...

> > > >

> > > > When you feel like a snack, a tablespoon of unsalted butter is a grat

> > > > way to raise your fat intake. Might sound disgusting, but it's okay

> > > > really, and it's worth experimenting with different butters. I've

> > > > just found a really tasty Italian organc butter which I actually enjoy

> > > > eating (some are rather bland). A few spoons a day...great if you can

> > > > tolerate butter.

> > > >

> > > > When you eat steamed veg, you could put a tablespoon of butter over

> > > > them, or a generous amount of olive oil. Olive oil goes well in a mix

> > > > with tuna, sauerkraut and tomatoes also.

> > > >

> > > > Again, with broth/soup, adding a large spoon of butter gets the fat

> > > > you need into your system, in a pleasant way. I definitely recommend

> > > > preparing a broth from the bones and leftover fatty bits of whatever

> > > > joint you roast.

> > > >

> > > > A shoulder of lamb is far more fatty than a leg (from the stores I

> > > > shop in), and don't forget that all the crispy chicken skin is a great

> > > > fat supply, cover it with sea salt and enjoy!

> > > >

> > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Nicola

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Any suggestions on

> > > > > what I could eat to get the fat without the protein. >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Irene,

I don't know if you tried it, but I posted a recipe for ice cream that

is Candida friendly in post number 42091 that might work as a substitute.

Jecca

> ...what do you do about birthday parties? Right now, we bring our

own food which is gluten free pizza and home made cake...

[Guest guest]

Haven't tried that one yet but it is on my list!

I am a little nervous about trying stevia because I have had bad reactions

to that in the past.

Thanks,

Irene

At 01:47 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:

>Hi Irene,

>

>I don't know if you tried it, but I posted a recipe for ice cream that

>is Candida friendly in post number 42091 that might work as a substitute.

>

>Jecca

>

>

> > ...what do you do about birthday parties? Right now, we bring our

>own food which is gluten free pizza and home made cake...

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi Irene,

good glad it helped.

as for breaking the children in.. well I personally just did it over night.

I found

it was better to just do the change and be done with it. All of us eat

the same so it was easier to have all the 'candida encouraging' food out

of the house completely.

They have been taught that these foods are better, I don't see any reason

to be changing that. They are very healthy eating the way were are..

much healthier then when we were consuming the raw vegan diet and

all the superfoods that they talk about which was costing us £300 per WEEK.

So I would say this will be permanent.. perhaps a few years down the road

they might have a piece of fruit now and again.

In possibly another year or so we might try some raw organic milk and / or

raw organic cheese. I see no reason to be adding much of anything else

back into the diet personally.

in the UK

On 10/29/07, Irene.M@... < Irene.M@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks, that helps a lot.

> How did you break the diet to your kids, as something temporary or

> something that you would do forever?

> The children's file includes using a lot of foods that are not on the diet

>

> such as nuts, rice,milk and dried fruit as a compromise to change them

> over. Are you doing any of that? We are already not eating that stuff

> other

> than the rice occasionally so I don't really want to include the

> compromise

> food.

> My son is basically healthy but does have tummy issues and I suspect that

> it will have to be a rather strict diet program for a while to get it

> under

> control. I am hoping it is temporary. Your kids have been on the diet for

> 9

> months. Have you started bringing any foods back in?

> Thanks,

> irene

>

>

> At 12:34 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:

>

> >Dear Irene,

> >

> >My children are 5 and 7. That is really good that your son is already

> >doing some of the recommended steps especially the oils/fats you

> mentioned.

> >Furthermore the lack of breads, junk food and processed food will make

> >a transition easier for both of you.

> >

> >As for mine, if you do a search for my posts in the archives you will see

> >previous posts I have made about my children.

> >

> >Also there is an article about children in the files and it talks about

> how

> >to deal with various issues of changing them over.

> >

> >I think what you are doing with 'forgetting' to make noodles and getting

> >the starch out of your evening meal is great. Doing steps like that

> >every few days I would say would work well.

> >

> >AS for the fruit...well we were raw vegan before seeing the error of our

> >ways. My children had a large amount of fruit / vegetables daily and

> >I just literally sat them down one day, we discussed candida and what

> >it could do to us and what we were doing to make it grow and what

> >we could do to make it " go Away " . Ok technically it won't go away..

> >BUT that is the best I could do for this age.

> >

> >Everything was fine. Fruit was removed from teh house totally and given

> >away.

> >(boy we had lots). They asked I think 4 or 5 times for fruit and that was

> >it.

> >I reminded them why we weren't having anymore fruit and some of the

> >so called 'raw vegan superfoods' and they understood.

> >

> >Obviously removing the fruit and the 'superfoods' from the house took

> >temptation out of

> >the way. Can't give them something that is not here. For the last 9

> months

> >they

> >have never asked for any fruit or superfood.

> >

> >We go for butter or coconut oil. If you can get that consumption up

> >then 'hunger' does diminish.

> >

> >As for breakfast, Bee's egg drink is what they have every morning.

> Always.

> >They love it and think it is great. They normally aren't hungry for at

> least

> >4 hours.

> >

> >parties.. well when we used to go to this type of event I always took my

> own

> >stuff

> >for them and put it on their plates. It was pretty much a non issue as

> they

> >have

> >been brought up knowing how bad candy, potato chips, junk food, soft

> drinks

> >etc is

> >for the human body.. What I used to take was egg salad with celery

> >stalks, baby

> >tomatoes, cucumbers, hamburgers (just the meat obviously), hot wings,

> >homemade

> >ketchup, homemade mayo, for example.

> >

> >They just said no to the cake, ice cream, and sugar laden candy because

> they

> >were

> >taught it was not good for them.

> >

> >perhaps others with different circumstances can help more in that area.

> >

> >Hope this helps

> >

> > in the UK

> >

> >On 10/29/07, <mailto:Irene.M%40adelphia.net>

Irene.M@...<Irene.M%40adelphia.net>

> ><<mailto:Irene.M%40adelphia.net>

Irene.M@...<Irene.M%40adelphia.net>>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > You kids love garlic tea? Wow.

> > > I am getting ready to put my son age 5 on the diet and I would

> appreciate

> > > any advice or words of wisdom. The good news is that he already on a

> good

> > > diet just not a candida diet. He takes cod liver oil, coconut oil and

> > > butter oil off the spoon. And we don't eat junk food, processed food,

> or

> > > breads. He already takes supplements without a problem so switching

> for

> > > the

> > > candida ones shouldn't be an issue. My big problem with him is snacks.

> > > Right now snack for him means fruit, especially bananas. So I don't

> know

> > > right now how to deal with that. And for breakfast he eats oatmeal and

> he

> > > dearly loves his oatmeal. At lunch he always has a hamburger with rice

> > > noodles (with coconut oil and salt). So far I have " forgotten " to make

> his

> > >

> > > noodles a couple of times and he was ok with it but he substituted and

> > > apple. Since I have started on the diet I have been making " no starch "

> > > dinners, so I think he is mostly used to that now. Anyway, if anyone

> with

> > > kids on the diet have any words of wisdom I would be appreciative. I

> would

> > >

> > > like to do this without making a power struggle out of eating if

> possible.

> > > Also what do you do about birthday parties? Right now, we bring our

> own

> > > food which is gluten free pizza and home made cake. But of course none

> of

> > > those things are on the diet. I am wondering how other parents handle

> it.

> > > Thanks,

> > > Irene

> > >

> > > At 09:04 AM 10/29/2007, you wrote:

> > >

> > > >HI ,

> > > >

> > > >we drink lots of garlic tea. Crush 5 cloves of garlic and pour 4 cups

> of

> > > >boiling water of them. Steep for 20 mintues.

> > > >

> > > >When I pour it into the cups I add herbamare (which has lots of sea

> salt

> > > in

> > > >it) and recently I have been adding

> > > >butter. It is like drinking soup. REALLY nice. Children love it.

> > > >

> > > >Hope this helps

> > > >

> > > > in the UK

> > > >

> > > >On 10/29/07, harrywendrich

> > > ><<mailto:wendrich7%40tiscali.co.uk><mailto: wendrich7%40tiscali.co.uk>we

>

> > ndrich7@... <ndrich7%40tiscali.co.uk>

> <wendrich7%40tiscali.co.uk>>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi ,

> > > > >

> > > > > Just in case you haven't come across these suggestions...

> > > > >

> > > > > When you feel like a snack, a tablespoon of unsalted butter is a

> grat

> > > > > way to raise your fat intake. Might sound disgusting, but it's

> okay

> > > > > really, and it's worth experimenting with different butters. I've

> > > > > just found a really tasty Italian organc butter which I actually

> enjoy

> > > > > eating (some are rather bland). A few spoons a day...great if you

> can

> > > > > tolerate butter.

> > > > >

> > > > > When you eat steamed veg, you could put a tablespoon of butter

> over

> > > > > them, or a generous amount of olive oil. Olive oil goes well in a

> mix

> > > > > with tuna, sauerkraut and tomatoes also.

> > > > >

> > > > > Again, with broth/soup, adding a large spoon of butter gets the

> fat

> > > > > you need into your system, in a pleasant way. I definitely

> recommend

> > > > > preparing a broth from the bones and leftover fatty bits of

> whatever

> > > > > joint you roast.

> > > > >

> > > > > A shoulder of lamb is far more fatty than a leg (from the stores I

> > > > > shop in), and don't forget that all the crispy chicken skin is a

> great

> > > > > fat supply, cover it with sea salt and enjoy!

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Nicola

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Any suggestions on

> > > > > > what I could eat to get the fat without the protein. >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Irene,

make it without stevia. I had done a similar recipe except no stevia and

just froze it in

the freezer and then whipped itup. HOwever Jecca assures me that doing it

her way

produces a creamier end result !

in the UK

[Guest guest]

I hear you. My son didn't get much if any carby stuff until we had to take

him off milk because I thought he was allergic. Milk with a raw egg yolk

was his favorite snack. It was without that he started on the noodles and

GF waffles(I stopped the waffles a while ago). I don't care about the other

stuff but I would love for him to have good raw organic milk again.

Hmmm...maybe that will be our compromise food somewhere down the line.

Anyhow, I will start with the this food is better " propoganda " . I suspect

it won't be such a tough sell. Once he starts noticing that we are

cancelling lots of playdates because his friends keep getting sick. He

hasn't had a cold in 5 months and his friend had to cancel again this morning.

Thanks again.

Irene

At 02:00 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:

>hi Irene,

>

>good glad it helped.

>

>as for breaking the children in.. well I personally just did it over night.

>I found

>it was better to just do the change and be done with it. All of us eat

>the same so it was easier to have all the 'candida encouraging' food out

>of the house completely.

>

>They have been taught that these foods are better, I don't see any reason

>to be changing that. They are very healthy eating the way were are..

>much healthier then when we were consuming the raw vegan diet and

>all the superfoods that they talk about which was costing us £300 per WEEK.

>

>So I would say this will be permanent.. perhaps a few years down the road

>they might have a piece of fruit now and again.

>

>In possibly another year or so we might try some raw organic milk and / or

>raw organic cheese. I see no reason to be adding much of anything else

>back into the diet personally.

>

> in the UK

>

>On 10/29/07, <mailto:Irene.M%40adelphia.net>Irene.M@... <

><mailto:Irene.M%40adelphia.net>Irene.M@...> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks, that helps a lot.

> > How did you break the diet to your kids, as something temporary or

> > something that you would do forever?

> > The children's file includes using a lot of foods that are not on the diet

> >

> > such as nuts, rice,milk and dried fruit as a compromise to change them

> > over. Are you doing any of that? We are already not eating that stuff

> > other

> > than the rice occasionally so I don't really want to include the

> > compromise

> > food.

> > My son is basically healthy but does have tummy issues and I suspect that

> > it will have to be a rather strict diet program for a while to get it

> > under

> > control. I am hoping it is temporary. Your kids have been on the diet for

> > 9

> > months. Have you started bringing any foods back in?

> > Thanks,

> > irene

> >

> >

> > At 12:34 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:

> >

> > >Dear Irene,

> > >

> > >My children are 5 and 7. That is really good that your son is already

> > >doing some of the recommended steps especially the oils/fats you

> > mentioned.

> > >Furthermore the lack of breads, junk food and processed food will make

> > >a transition easier for both of you.

> > >

> > >As for mine, if you do a search for my posts in the archives you will see

> > >previous posts I have made about my children.

> > >

> > >Also there is an article about children in the files and it talks about

> > how

> > >to deal with various issues of changing them over.

> > >

> > >I think what you are doing with 'forgetting' to make noodles and getting

> > >the starch out of your evening meal is great. Doing steps like that

> > >every few days I would say would work well.

> > >

> > >AS for the fruit...well we were raw vegan before seeing the error of our

> > >ways. My children had a large amount of fruit / vegetables daily and

> > >I just literally sat them down one day, we discussed candida and what

> > >it could do to us and what we were doing to make it grow and what

> > >we could do to make it " go Away " . Ok technically it won't go away..

> > >BUT that is the best I could do for this age.

> > >

> > >Everything was fine. Fruit was removed from teh house totally and given

> > >away.

> > >(boy we had lots). They asked I think 4 or 5 times for fruit and that was

> > >it.

> > >I reminded them why we weren't having anymore fruit and some of the

> > >so called 'raw vegan superfoods' and they understood.

> > >

> > >Obviously removing the fruit and the 'superfoods' from the house took

> > >temptation out of

> > >the way. Can't give them something that is not here. For the last 9

> > months

> > >they

> > >have never asked for any fruit or superfood.

> > >

> > >We go for butter or coconut oil. If you can get that consumption up

> > >then 'hunger' does diminish.

> > >

> > >As for breakfast, Bee's egg drink is what they have every morning.

> > Always.

> > >They love it and think it is great. They normally aren't hungry for at

> > least

> > >4 hours.

> > >

> > >parties.. well when we used to go to this type of event I always took my

> > own

> > >stuff

> > >for them and put it on their plates. It was pretty much a non issue as

> > they

> > >have

> > >been brought up knowing how bad candy, potato chips, junk food, soft

> > drinks

> > >etc is

> > >for the human body.. What I used to take was egg salad with celery

> > >stalks, baby

> > >tomatoes, cucumbers, hamburgers (just the meat obviously), hot wings,

> > >homemade

> > >ketchup, homemade mayo, for example.

> > >

> > >They just said no to the cake, ice cream, and sugar laden candy because

> > they

> > >were

> > >taught it was not good for them.

> > >

> > >perhaps others with different circumstances can help more in that area.

> > >

> > >Hope this helps

> > >

> > > in the UK

> > >

> > >On 10/29/07, <mailto:Irene.M%40adelphia.net>

> <mailto:Irene.M%40adelphia.net>Irene.M@...<Irene.M%40adelphia.net>

> > ><<mailto:Irene.M%40adelphia.net>

> <mailto:Irene.M%40adelphia.net>Irene.M@...<Irene.M%40adelphia.net>>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > You kids love garlic tea? Wow.

> > > > I am getting ready to put my son age 5 on the diet and I would

> > appreciate

> > > > any advice or words of wisdom. The good news is that he already on a

> > good

> > > > diet just not a candida diet. He takes cod liver oil, coconut oil and

> > > > butter oil off the spoon. And we don't eat junk food, processed food,

> > or

> > > > breads. He already takes supplements without a problem so switching

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > candida ones shouldn't be an issue. My big problem with him is snacks.

> > > > Right now snack for him means fruit, especially bananas. So I don't

> > know

> > > > right now how to deal with that. And for breakfast he eats oatmeal and

> > he

> > > > dearly loves his oatmeal. At lunch he always has a hamburger with rice

> > > > noodles (with coconut oil and salt). So far I have " forgotten " to make

> > his

> > > >

> > > > noodles a couple of times and he was ok with it but he substituted and

> > > > apple. Since I have started on the diet I have been making " no starch "

> > > > dinners, so I think he is mostly used to that now. Anyway, if anyone

> > with

> > > > kids on the diet have any words of wisdom I would be appreciative. I

> > would

> > > >

> > > > like to do this without making a power struggle out of eating if

> > possible.

> > > > Also what do you do about birthday parties? Right now, we bring our

> > own

> > > > food which is gluten free pizza and home made cake. But of course none

> > of

> > > > those things are on the diet. I am wondering how other parents handle

> > it.

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Irene

> > > >

> > > > At 09:04 AM 10/29/2007, you wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >HI ,

> > > > >

> > > > >we drink lots of garlic tea. Crush 5 cloves of garlic and pour 4 cups

> > of

> > > > >boiling water of them. Steep for 20 mintues.

> > > > >

> > > > >When I pour it into the cups I add herbamare (which has lots of sea

> > salt

> > > > in

> > > > >it) and recently I have been adding

> > > > >butter. It is like drinking soup. REALLY nice. Children love it.

> > > > >

> > > > >Hope this helps

> > > > >

> > > > > in the UK

> > > > >

> > > > >On 10/29/07, harrywendrich

> > > > ><<mailto:wendrich7%40tiscali.co.uk><mailto:

> wendrich7%40tiscali.co.uk>we

> >

> > > <mailto:ndrich7%40tiscali.co.uk>ndrich7@...

> <ndrich7%40tiscali.co.uk>

> > <wendrich7%40tiscali.co.uk>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just in case you haven't come across these suggestions...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When you feel like a snack, a tablespoon of unsalted butter is a

> > grat

> > > > > > way to raise your fat intake. Might sound disgusting, but it's

> > okay

> > > > > > really, and it's worth experimenting with different butters. I've

> > > > > > just found a really tasty Italian organc butter which I actually

> > enjoy

> > > > > > eating (some are rather bland). A few spoons a day...great if you

> > can

> > > > > > tolerate butter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When you eat steamed veg, you could put a tablespoon of butter

> > over

> > > > > > them, or a generous amount of olive oil. Olive oil goes well in a

> > mix

> > > > > > with tuna, sauerkraut and tomatoes also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Again, with broth/soup, adding a large spoon of butter gets the

> > fat

> > > > > > you need into your system, in a pleasant way. I definitely

> > recommend

> > > > > > preparing a broth from the bones and leftover fatty bits of

> > whatever

> > > > > > joint you roast.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A shoulder of lamb is far more fatty than a leg (from the stores I

> > > > > > shop in), and don't forget that all the crispy chicken skin is a

> > great

> > > > > > fat supply, cover it with sea salt and enjoy!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Nicola

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Any suggestions on

> > > > > > > what I could eat to get the fat without the protein. >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Well, I don't know if its creamier, I just end up forgetting about it

if I put it in the freezer. And then when I remember it, its rock

hard and I get frustrated. I think either way works very well, it

just depends on which way a person prefers to make it. Additionally,

I also have since made it with coffee (swiss water decaf, which is

candida friendly) and though its not as tempting for kids since it is

coffee flavored, the coffee version I like without or without stevia.

For the coffee version you just omit the cinnamon, nutmeg, sea salt,

and water, and instead use 1/3 cup of swiss water decaf coffee (pinch

of stevia optional).

>

> ...Make it without stevia. I had done a similar recipe except no

> stevia and just froze it in the freezer and then whipped it up.

> However Jecca assures me that doing it her way produces a creamier

> end result

[Guest guest]

You know, I once saw in a camping goods catalog this little ball for making

ice cream. There is the place for the ice cream and a place for the ice.

You close it up and throw it around (literally) until the stuff turns into

ice cream. It might be just the thing for this. I will have to try and find

that.

Irene

At 02:53 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:

>Well, I don't know if its creamier, I just end up forgetting about it

>if I put it in the freezer. And then when I remember it, its rock

>hard and I get frustrated. I think either way works very well, it

>just depends on which way a person prefers to make it. Additionally,

>I also have since made it with coffee (swiss water decaf, which is

>candida friendly) and though its not as tempting for kids since it is

>coffee flavored, the coffee version I like without or without stevia.

>

>For the coffee version you just omit the cinnamon, nutmeg, sea salt,

>and water, and instead use 1/3 cup of swiss water decaf coffee (pinch

>of stevia optional).

>

>

> >

> > ...Make it without stevia. I had done a similar recipe except no

> > stevia and just froze it in the freezer and then whipped it up.

> > However Jecca assures me that doing it her way produces a creamier

> > end result

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> You know, I once saw in a camping goods catalog this little ball for

making

> ice cream.

Hi,

I saw the ball on Walmart website and was thinking of getting it. Then

I decided that using two plastic bags was just as good. The ball would

be more fun for kids.

Happiness, Ellen " -)

[Guest guest]

Just a word of caution, before you buy anything, I have yet to try to

make ice cream using anything other than freezer zip lock bags, but I

think someone else did (see post number 42905 and 43147) and they said

it didn't work when they used regular zip lock bags and it also didnt

work when they used their ice cream maker. For the regular zip lock

bag issue, that's easily solved by buying the stronger freezer

variety, but as for the ice cream maker issue, it might be that the

recipe just needs to have less fat and more water so that it doesn't

harden so quickly in the ice cream maker, but I wouldn't know, as I

have yet to try to make it that way...

--- " ekhillgardner " <love1904@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > You know, I once saw in a camping goods catalog this little ball

> > for making ice cream.

>

> I saw the ball on Walmart website and was thinking of getting it.

> Then I decided that using two plastic bags was just as good. The

> ball would be more fun for kids.

> Happiness, Ellen " -)

[Guest guest]

>

> Just a word of caution, before you buy anything, I have yet to try

to

> make ice cream using anything other than freezer zip lock bags,

but I

> think someone else did (see post number 42905 and 43147) and they

said

> it didn't work when they used regular zip lock bags and it also

didnt

> work when they used their ice cream maker. For the regular zip

lock

> bag issue, that's easily solved by buying the stronger freezer

> variety, but as for the ice cream maker issue, it might be that the

> recipe just needs to have less fat and more water so that it

doesn't

> harden so quickly in the ice cream maker, but I wouldn't know, as I

> have yet to try to make it that way...

Yes, that post was from me. We did try the Ziploc and didn't have as

much a problem with extra salt getting in. Your thoughts on the ice

cream maker were the same as we concluded - that the fat content in

the recipe made it harden on the sides. We returned the ice cream

maker and are using the Ziplocs now.

Anita T.