Re: A friendly discussion about meat!

[Guest guest]

That is completely inaccurate. Cooking is not required to consume and

live off a completely carnivorous diet. In fact, many have found that

just the opposite is true, where they are enjoying a very happy raw

carnivorous diet. Meat is actually best when it is only lightly

cooked, rare, or even raw, as far as digestibility and nutrient/enzyme

content is concerned.

Meat found in the grocery is one thing, but fresh raw meat from a kill

is another. Go out, slaughter an animal and feast on the kill

immediately and there is no fear of becoming sick from the meat.

Bottom line, meat is not toxic or poisonous to humans in raw form. If

anything, the more you cook it, the more deleterious it is to the system.

>

> Hello!

>

> I love meat! I couldn't live without it! Clearly I am excited that

> Bee's diet allows for large portions of good meats. However, a recent

> suggestion on this website that humans are carnivorous beings sparked

> my interest! Once, a few years back, I remember someone suggesting that

> we are not in fact carnivorous by nature. Their argument was that

> humans are the only creature that needs to cook/prepare meat in order

> for us to digest it without being sick, suggesting that meat was in

> fact poisonous to humans in its uncooked/natural form.

>

> No pressure to respond, but if any like-minded carnivors would like to

> offer their opinions I would love to hear them!

>

> Viva la meat!

>

[Guest guest]

Humans don't need to cook their meat in order to eat it. They just prefer it.

Check out: http://www.wewant2live.com/

Irene

At 04:42 PM 10/23/2007, you wrote:

>Hello!

>

>I love meat! I couldn't live without it! Clearly I am excited that

>Bee's diet allows for large portions of good meats. However, a recent

>suggestion on this website that humans are carnivorous beings sparked

>my interest! Once, a few years back, I remember someone suggesting that

>we are not in fact carnivorous by nature. Their argument was that

>humans are the only creature that needs to cook/prepare meat in order

>for us to digest it without being sick, suggesting that meat was in

>fact poisonous to humans in its uncooked/natural form.

>

>No pressure to respond, but if any like-minded carnivors would like to

>offer their opinions I would love to hear them!

>

>Viva la meat!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Being 6'2 " 249 and a former power lifter who has 2 close friends that are

Vegan I can tell you the same thing they told me, there is no way way I

could ever go without beef. I can't eat much because of what it does to my

gut.

Dave

nathan_kellett <nathan_kellett@...> wrote:

> Hello!

>

> I love meat! I couldn't live without it! Clearly I am excited that

> Bee's diet allows for large portions of good meats. However, a recent

> suggestion on this website that humans are carnivorous beings sparked

> my interest! Once, a few years back, I remember someone suggesting

> that

> we are not in fact carnivorous by nature. Their argument was that

> humans are the only creature that needs to cook/prepare meat in order

> for us to digest it without being sick, suggesting that meat was in

> fact poisonous to humans in its uncooked/natural form.

>

> No pressure to respond, but if any like-minded carnivors would like to

> offer their opinions I would love to hear them!

>

> Viva la meat!

[Guest guest]

One other thing...There are many traditional raw meat/fish dishes. Who

doesn't know about sushi? There is also ceviche, steak tartare, prosciutto

and schinken (both smoked but uncooked pork), carpaccio.

Irene

At 05:27 PM 10/23/2007, you wrote:

>Humans don't need to cook their meat in order to eat it. They just prefer it.

>Check out: <http://www.wewant2live.com/>http://www.wewant2live.com/

>Irene

>

>At 04:42 PM 10/23/2007, you wrote:

>

> >Hello!

> >

> >I love meat! I couldn't live without it! Clearly I am excited that

> >Bee's diet allows for large portions of good meats. However, a recent

> >suggestion on this website that humans are carnivorous beings sparked

> >my interest! Once, a few years back, I remember someone suggesting that

> >we are not in fact carnivorous by nature. Their argument was that

> >humans are the only creature that needs to cook/prepare meat in order

> >for us to digest it without being sick, suggesting that meat was in

> >fact poisonous to humans in its uncooked/natural form.

> >

> >No pressure to respond, but if any like-minded carnivors would like to

> >offer their opinions I would love to hear them!

> >

> >Viva la meat!

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

WOW! great responses guys, very interesting indeed!

I now have some ammunition when those pesky vegans come a-knocking! haha

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

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Hi ,

I could not let the discussion go without giving my opinion. Take the

case of beef: I have not eaten beef for nearly 20 years now for

various reasons firstly because I really don't like the taste, second

the mad cow disease, third, 35 per cent of green house gas emission

are from raising cattle, (13 per cent from car emissions)whole amazon

forests are cut to make room for cattle, Hindus don't eat it(not Hindu

but wonder why they don't), cows have a 9 month cycle of pregnancy

like us females, call it kinship! These are the ones I can think of now.

Being open minded and always ready to learn, I have started eating

beef for this diet but can only tolerate it in mince mixed with other

things and am evaluating replacing this with other meat cause I don't

think I can keep it up (mainly poultry red meat just sickens me).

What also amazes me is that in this 21st century there is not one

conclusive study showing what the optimal diet is (nothwithstanding

our candida diet). I think I am living in the wrong century. Maybe I

should just close my eyes and come back 300 years later when humans

are more knowledgeable, cleaned up the earth and are living in peace.!

>

with regards to everyone

Perihan

>

[Guest guest]

perihanterhaar <pterhaar@...> wrote:

>

> Maybe I

> should just close my eyes and come back 300 years later when humans

> are more knowledgeable, cleaned up the earth and are living in peace.!

>>

> with regards to everyone

>

> Perihan

Or you can hop in the time machine and go back in time to when we hunted and

grew and killed what we eat before there was Swanson, SaraLee and all the

other processed crap we have today.

Hmmm I wonder how much mercury there was in fish before we became

industrialized? Bet you the beef and the chicken wasn't on growth hormones!

This got me thinking wouldn't everyone like to track what your own doctor

eats in a week? What supplements and shots or drugs he give himself?

Dave

[Guest guest]

My dad is a doctor and epidemiologist and he only takes C vitamin. he,

like me after starting this diet, believes that we need to get the

largest majority of our nutrients from the food we eat, it is what our

bodies are designed for, nature's way. From the moment food enters the

mouth the digestion process/saliva/enzymes go to work breaking down and

extracting the good stuff! There are of coarse some exceptions, the

supplements we take on this diet actually facilitate the digestion

process and replace nutrients us candida sufferer's are depleted of. I

really like this diet and really like Bee's enthusiam about reclaiming

the most natural/essential processes of living.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello!

>

> I love meat! I couldn't live without it! Clearly I am excited that

> Bee's diet allows for large portions of good meats. However, a

recent suggestion on this website that humans are carnivorous beings

sparked my interest! Once, a few years back, I remember someone

suggesting that we are not in fact carnivorous by nature. Their

argument was that humans are the only creature that needs to

cook/prepare meat in order for us to digest it without being sick,

suggesting that meat was in fact poisonous to humans in its

uncooked/natural form.

==>Humans are not carnivores, they are omnivores meaning they eat

both plants and animals. However humans can live perfectly healthy

on an all meat and fat diet providing they have 75% good fats like V.

Stefansson and his friend in this article:

http:/www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm

Humans and animals that are omnivores do much better on raw meats, or

meats that are predigested, called " curing " . The Ekimos even bury

some of their fish and let it totally rot before eating it. That

sure proves the " germ theory of disease " is false. LOL!

Predigestion of vegetables is done by fermenting them. Fermentation

keeps them longer and is easier for humans to digest. Cooking some

vegetables make the nutrients more available to humans. Cooking

grains long periods removes the phytates that block mineral

absorption in the body and enzymes that interfere with protein

digestion. Remember the old Nursery Rhyme:

Pease porridge hot!

Pease porridge cold!

Pease porridge in the pot

Nine days old.

Some like it hot,

Some like it cold,

Some like it in the pot

Nine days old!

It costs more to eat protein to obtain blood sugar requirements

rather than eat veggies (58% of protein and 10% of fat turns into

glucose inside the body).

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Being 6'2 " 249 and a former power lifter who has 2 close friends that

are Vegan I can tell you the same thing they told me, there is no way

way I could ever go without beef. I can't eat much because of what it

does to my gut.

==>Dave, do you mean you can't eat much beef, or much food, because of

what it does to your gut?

Bee

[Guest guest]

> Hi , I could not let the discussion go without giving my

opinion. Take the case of beef: I have not eaten beef for nearly 20

years now for various reasons firstly because I really don't like the

taste, second the mad cow disease, third, 35 per cent of green house

gas emission are from raising cattle, (13 per cent from car emissions)

whole amazon forests are cut to make room for cattle, Hindus don't

eat it(not Hindu but wonder why they don't), cows have a 9 month

cycle of pregnancy like us females, call it kinship! These are the

ones I can think of now.

==>The " mad cow disease " is not contagious because it is actually an

imbalance of nutrients:

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtmadcow.html

==>Also, maybe mass produced cattle cause problems, but not naturally

grown; see this article " The Ethics of Eating Meat " ;

http://www.westonaprice.org/healthissues/ethicsmeat.html

>

> Being open minded and always ready to learn, I have started eating

> beef for this diet but can only tolerate it in mince mixed with

other things and am evaluating replacing this with other meat cause I

don't think I can keep it up (mainly poultry red meat just sickens

me). What also amazes me is that in this 21st century there is not

one conclusive study showing what the optimal diet is

(nothwithstanding our candida diet).

==>Yes there are conclusive studies that show what the optimal diet

is - see the Book " Nutrition & Physical Degeneration " by Dr. Weston

A. Price; http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/pricetoc.html

And also The Optimal Diet by Dr. Jan Kwasniewski, who has been using

it for over 30 years to cure heart disease, cancer, diabetes, asthama

and a host of other disease: http://homodiet.netfirms.com/ The

ratios Dr. K. recommends is what are recommended on this group.

Humans, just like animals in the wild, must follow Nature's Law and

eat the nutrients their bodies require or they will be sick. This

includes animal meats, fish, eggs, and plenty of good fats like I

recommend. People get sick eating meats without fats - it causes

stomach upsets and digestive problems.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> Being 6'2 " 249 and a former power lifter who has 2 close friends that

> are Vegan I can tell you the same thing they told me, there is no way

> way I could ever go without beef. I can't eat much because of what it

> does to my gut.

>

> ==>Dave, do you mean you can't eat much beef, or much food, because of

> what it does to your gut?

>

> Bee

Both Bee, I use to be able to eat a 3 pound bloody red steak (when I wanted

to be a glutten) then as years went by I had to cook my steak more and now

too much red meat or pork tears my gut up bad.

And now (my guess for the moment) is because of my liver and spleen is why

I have no desire for food.

I go to the hospital 4pm today to have a meeting about what test and

treatments my two doctors have not done and why they have not followed up

with my medical care. Little do they know my EX is one of thier bosses and

is very mad that they know I have XY and Z and they have done nothing about

it for months as I get worse and worse so my EX will be sitting in on this

one.

I want the main issues taken care ASAP so I can do the diet and get this

rotten candidia the heck out of me.

Dave

[Guest guest]

==>Dave, do you mean you can't eat much beef, or much food, because

of what it does to your gut? Bee

> Both Bee, I use to be able to eat a 3 pound bloody red steak (when

I wanted to be a glutten) then as years went by I had to cook my

steak more and now too much red meat or pork tears my gut up bad.

And now (my guess for the moment) is because of my liver and spleen

is why I have no desire for food.

==>Dave, meats, eggs, and good saturated fats are the very easiest

foods for the body to digest but there must be plenty of fat, because

with them the protein will make a person sick and mess up their

digestive system. Liver and spleen problems will be resolved as you

progress on this program, but it takes time and patience for

nutrients to do their job the natural way.

Bee