Re: whey protein isolate...?

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tvpnyc <aps@...> wrote: is why

protein isolate allowed on an anti-candida diet? the one i'm using uses milk

from

animals fed on grass and w/ no antibiotics (slightly sweetened with xylitol)...

can anyone

give aid/advice on using whey protein on an anti-candida regime?

thanks

tv

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[Guest guest]

Some health professionals take a stab at an answer without

knowing that much about the subject; this often results in

incorrectly lumping undenatured whey isolate with instructions of

" no dairy " depite the huge differences between milk and whey.

My clients and many people on this list use undenatured whey

isolates and even undenatured concentrates without incident.

Undenatured whey is a safe and curative part of an anti-candida

diet; it improves detoxification, replenishes the antioxidant

pool overall especially glutathione levels, and improves immune

response and energy production, regardless of whether one has

candida or not.

Duncan Crow

On 28 Aug 2006 at 23:07, candidiasis wrote:

>

> Posted by: " tvpnyc " aps@... tvpnyc

> Date: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:40 am (PDT)

>

> is why protein isolate allowed on an anti-candida diet? the one i'm

> using uses milk from animals fed on grass and w/ no antibiotics

> (slightly sweetened with xylitol)... can anyone give aid/advice on

> using whey protein on an anti-candida regime? thanks tv

[Guest guest]

Even small amounts of whey cause me to have an immune reaction. Which

compromises my immune system to fight other infections. I think it is safe to

classify it as dairy in a dairy restrictive diet. For me it is just better not

to take a chance. So I say " no whey " to those with a general milk allergy or

intollerance.

Sylvia LeDoux

Fixourfood.com

Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: Some

health professionals take a stab at an answer without

knowing that much about the subject; this often results in

incorrectly lumping undenatured whey isolate with instructions of

" no dairy " depite the huge differences between milk and whey.

My clients and many people on this list use undenatured whey

isolates and even undenatured concentrates without incident.

Undenatured whey is a safe and curative part of an anti-candida

diet; it improves detoxification, replenishes the antioxidant

pool overall especially glutathione levels, and improves immune

response and energy production, regardless of whether one has

candida or not.

Duncan Crow

On 28 Aug 2006 at 23:07, candidiasis wrote:

>

> Posted by: " tvpnyc " aps@... tvpnyc

> Date: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:40 am (PDT)

>

> is why protein isolate allowed on an anti-candida diet? the one i'm

> using uses milk from animals fed on grass and w/ no antibiotics

> (slightly sweetened with xylitol)... can anyone give aid/advice on

> using whey protein on an anti-candida regime? thanks tv

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duncan...

i found this on undenatured whey... so i¹m not following what you¹re saying

in your last post.

tv

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Pasteurizing destroys enzymes, diminishes vitamins, denatures (damages)

fragile milk proteins, destroys vitamin B12 and vitamin B6, kills beneficial

bacteria and promotes pathogens. Pasteurized cow's milk is the number one

allergic food in this country.

Pasteurization has been associated with a number of symptoms and illnesses

ranging from diarrhea, cramps and gastrointestinal bleeding to heart

disease, cancer and arteriosclerosis.

Additionally, once the protein is denatured, the vital protein bound fats

have been removed. From this point on there is little heat added and some of

these whey proteins products are then referred to as undenatured or cold

process. However, it is not possible for a protein to be undenatured.

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i got my info on mercola.com he has a whey product that i¹ve used that i

really think is top-notch...

check it out.

http://www.mercola.com/forms/whey_healthier.htm

[Guest guest]

The old-school process she's describing reclaims some undenatured

protein from waste whey after the cheese industry pasteurized it

all. The process almost completely wastes the most important and

expensive fraction of milk; modern factories separate the whey

out before the rest is pasteurized to take advantage of the

undenatured whey market.

What the writer means in the second paragraph is that once an

undenatured protein has been denatured it's broken, and it can

not be unbroken - undenatured - again after that.

The best way to determine what exactly is undenatured and

glutathione producing in your whey is to look at the profile for

serum albumin, alpha lactalbumin and lactoferrin, the undenatured

proteins we are looking for.

Duncan Crow

> Posted by: " tony vincent " aps@... tvpnyc

> Date: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:09 am (PDT)

>

> duncan...

> i found this on undenatured whey... so i¹m not following what you¹re

> saying in your last post. tv -- Pasteurizing destroys enzymes,

> diminishes vitamins, denatures (damages) fragile milk proteins,

> destroys vitamin B12 and vitamin B6, kills beneficial bacteria and

> promotes pathogens. Pasteurized cow's milk is the number one allergic

> food in this country. Pasteurization has been associated with a number

> of symptoms and illnesses ranging from diarrhea, cramps and

> gastrointestinal bleeding to heart disease, cancer and

> arteriosclerosis.

>

> Additionally, once the protein is denatured, the vital protein bound

> fats have been removed. From this point on there is little heat added

> and some of these whey proteins products are then referred to as

> undenatured or cold process. However, it is not possible for a protein

> to be undenatured.

[Guest guest]

Your concern is common, Sylvia, but allergies are not

sensitivities, and counting undenatured whey isolate as " dairy "

in a " dairy restricted diet " would be incorrect and

counterproductive for most milk-sensitive people; the exception

would be the rare few who have outright allergies.

The Physician's Desktop Reference for Prescription Drugs listing

for Immunocal says that Immunocal (a prescription drug!) is well-

tolerated by severely milk-sensitive individuals, and that is

borne out by experience with not only this high-end product, but

with several less-refined undenatured whey products too.

Some people are sensitive to varying degrees to varying

components of milk; most of the iritating components are no

longer present in whey, any amount depending on the degree of

refinement of a specific product. A high-end product contains

components that are exactly common to all mammals, including your

mother's milk.

So you can't generalize and still be accurate.

By the way, research shows that lactose intolerance reactions can

be eliminated by taking inulin to beef up your probiotic

organisms.

Duncan Crow

> Re: whey protein isolate...?

> Posted by: " sylvia ledoux " ledouxrama@... ledouxrama

> Date: Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:51 am (PDT)

>

> Even small amounts of whey cause me to have an immune reaction. Which

> compromises my immune system to fight other infections. I think it is

> safe to classify it as dairy in a dairy restrictive diet. For me it

> is just better not to take a chance. So I say " no whey " to those with

> a general milk allergy or intollerance.

>

> Sylvia LeDoux

> Fixourfood.com

>

[Guest guest]

Sylvia,

I would urge people to not allow the NotMilk agenda to cloud the

clear argument backed by adequate data, that milk contains some

very healthy and desireable components that are not allergy-

producing.

Tony's post was not good homework about whey protein isolate

because as I pointed out it was about the wrong subject, that

being the pasteurization process in cheese-making, which as we

know breaks down the whey.

> Humans with an immune system do not need that. and when it comes

> to milk particles, I don't think you can really purify of denature

> something totally.

Humans with an immune system benefit tremendously by increasing

their immune response, especially, in the context of this group,

if they have candida. People with candida that has not been found

to be systemic, have antibodies to it in their blood, which means

the immune system has been alerted.

Here's how milk products are useful to the immune reponse of a

candida patient: Colostrum increases natural killer cells and

also provides natural immunization though transfer factors, some

of which are specific to candida because cows are exposed to it

too. Cold-processed whey markedly increases immune system

strength by increasing glutathione production.

Both are milk products; obviously they can be useful, and I rest

my case

Let's discuss your last concern further; I don't understand it as

it's written, but do you mean you don't think they can extract

only the undenatured part that is left from boiled whey?

Duncan Crow

> Posted by: " sylvia ledoux " ledouxrama@... ledouxrama

> Date: Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:45 am (PDT)

>

> yeah tony,

>

> Good work. Milk IS the number one allergy producing substance. Its

> main purpose, other than providing nutrition for an infant, is to

> activate the immune system to pathogens in the mothers environment.

> Humans with an immune system do not need that. and when it comes to

> milk particles, I don't think you can really purify of denature

> something totally. You get an A+ on your homework

>

> Sylvia

[Guest guest]

i thank you all for continuing to talk about this topic...

i¹ve heard that even though there is minimal lactose in whey, that it can

feed candida-- (that lactose feeds candida)... and why also is there

concern with ³whey² for MS patients? (i know that¹s a different topic‹ but

can someone address it here?)

tv

[Guest guest]

hi duncan

can you explain what undenatured whey is exactly? is it in powder/liquid... is

it available at health stores?

thanks!

shefy

Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

Some health professionals take a stab at an answer without

knowing that much about the subject; this often results in

incorrectly lumping undenatured whey isolate with instructions of

" no dairy " depite the huge differences between milk and whey.

My clients and many people on this list use undenatured whey

isolates and even undenatured concentrates without incident.

Undenatured whey is a safe and curative part of an anti-candida

diet; it improves detoxification, replenishes the antioxidant

pool overall especially glutathione levels, and improves immune

response and energy production, regardless of whether one has

candida or not.

Duncan Crow

On 28 Aug 2006 at 23:07, candidiasis wrote:

>

> Posted by: " tvpnyc " aps@... tvpnyc

> Date: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:40 am (PDT)

>

> is why protein isolate allowed on an anti-candida diet? the one i'm

> using uses milk from animals fed on grass and w/ no antibiotics

> (slightly sweetened with xylitol)... can anyone give aid/advice on

> using whey protein on an anti-candida regime? thanks tv

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