Re: How much meat (in ounces or grams) is safe to eat in a day?

[Guest guest]

Emma

Just wondering, what symptoms do you experience when you cannot digest meat? Are

you aware that meat is broken down in your system by rotting. Meat actually rots

in your intestines. It seems as though one might need enough healthy bacteria to

break it down. Maybe you are low on bile or have very slow digestion. Many years

back I had a problem where I could not digest any fat at all. I felt nauseated

all the time , had terribly bad heartburn and food would regurgitate on me. Went

to digestive institute where they put me thru a battery of tests but of course

found nothing. I suffered for a whole year barely being able to eat. I

constantly had a full feeling and felt sick. After a year it started going away.

A drug called reglan helped me a lot. Reglan helps get everything moving in your

digestive tract. Today I believe I may have had a bacteria and probably an

antibiotic would have gotten rid of it. I am not a fan of antibiotics. But when

I was sick for a year like that, I would have done just about anything to get

rid of it. I took every stomach drug on the market, pepcid, prilosec, zantac,

axid, carafate, reglan, propulsid you name it I tried it. Some drugs did

nothing, others helped for a few weeks and then nothing.

Eating meat, or fat are really hard on digestion. Have you tried boiled chicken,

rice, etc. To get rid of candida you need to go as easy as possible on the

digestion. Eating meat is not really a very good idea since it breaks down

slowly and rots which candida LOVES. Is your problem being caused by candida, it

could be. Might I ask how you got diagnose with candida. Are you sure that is

what you have and what have doctors told you?

How much meat (in ounces or grams) is safe to eat in a

day?

How many grams of meat is safe to eat per day?

How much do you all eat?

I'm wondering if I could eat lean steak and vegetables (pureed) and live off

that, as I have severe candida, parasites, worms etc. etc. and am reacting

to so many foods I'm on a predigested formula. But I want to get off it and

kill the candida, I can't tolerate fats either...

Just needing help. I'd need alot of lean steak to get enough calories and I

don't know if it's even safe to eat so much. I don't know also that I

could...

Vegetarian for most of my life due to seemingly inability to digest meats

well. They make me really ill. But I've never tried, lean, organic,

unflavoured, (I react to herbs, spices, garlic, onions etc. ) pureed steak,

so maybe it would work... I don't know...

~E

[Guest guest]

By the way Emma

One does not need to eat meat to get enough calories. Chicken and fish are good

as well as veggies some of which are rather starchy and provide a good balance.

I have not eaten red meat in about 6 months and have not lost any weight. I eat

four meals a day of scrambled eggs, chicken broccoli, cauliflower, spinach,

salad, pumpkin seeds, green tea, soymilk, oatmeal( only occasionally). Been

living on this diet for months now. I take mega dose vitamins that have gotten

my bowels regular like clock work. My digestion is tremendously good right now

and that is the first most important step you can take in clearing the body of

candida.

How much meat (in ounces or grams) is safe to eat in a

day?

How many grams of meat is safe to eat per day?

How much do you all eat?

I'm wondering if I could eat lean steak and vegetables (pureed) and live off

that, as I have severe candida, parasites, worms etc. etc. and am reacting

to so many foods I'm on a predigested formula. But I want to get off it and

kill the candida, I can't tolerate fats either...

Just needing help. I'd need alot of lean steak to get enough calories and I

don't know if it's even safe to eat so much. I don't know also that I

could...

Vegetarian for most of my life due to seemingly inability to digest meats

well. They make me really ill. But I've never tried, lean, organic,

unflavoured, (I react to herbs, spices, garlic, onions etc. ) pureed steak,

so maybe it would work... I don't know...

~E

[Guest guest]

The candida diet is a very high in protein diet. As humans, we evolved

to live primarily off of meats, fats, and foraged foods like nuts and

berries. Therefore you are safe eating however many grams of meat per day

that you choose. Of course it is wisest to eat leaner meats like steak and

chicken breast as opposed to meats with higher fat content such as ground

beef. Fat has the highest caloric count per gram, so using real butters

will help supply the calories you need to sustain your lifestyle.

Vegetables are good for you but you need to limit them at this time as

they are also carbs, most folks don't recognize this like they do with

fruits. Carrots, corn, and peas have high carb counts compared to other

veggies. Try avoiding those.

Don't believe the hype that high protein diets are harmful or that

humans need carbs because carbs haven't significantly been in the picture

very long in historical terms.

If you're worried about cholesterol, don't. Your liver makes and rids

the body of it's cholesterol needs. If you have high cholesterol, you have

a congested liver. Clogged arteries happen because the walls of the

arteries are damaged, which allows cholesterol to attach to them eventually

closing up the artery. Damaged arteries are caused by certain foods we eat

such as " Trans fats, homogenized milk, chlorinated water, and white flour

products. " Avoid these for your health's sake. I recommend doing the

parasite cleanse along with the liver, colon, and kidney cleanses. Do your

homework first, though. Never blindly jump into anything.

Ken

-- How much meat (in ounces or grams) is safe to eat in

a day?

How many grams of meat is safe to eat per day?

How much do you all eat?

I'm wondering if I could eat lean steak and vegetables (pureed) and live off

that, as I have severe candida, parasites, worms etc. etc. and am reacting

to so many foods I'm on a predigested formula. But I want to get off it and

kill the candida, I can't tolerate fats either...

Just needing help. I'd need alot of lean steak to get enough calories and I

don't know if it's even safe to eat so much. I don't know also that I

could...

Vegetarian for most of my life due to seemingly inability to digest meats

well. They make me really ill. But I've never tried, lean, organic,

unflavoured, (I react to herbs, spices, garlic, onions etc. ) pureed steak,

so maybe it would work... I don't know...

~E

[Guest guest]

,

Are you suggesting that she eat rice? I cannot disagree with you more.

Complex carbohydrates are the absolute worst thing you can eat if you have

candida. Also, candida does NOT love meat, it can't do anything with it!

Candida is a yeast and all yeasts require simple forms of energy as they do

not have complex digestive systems as humans do. Sugars, carbs, complex

carbs, and alcohols all feed candida. If you want to defeat candida, you

have to first cut off their food supply.

Anyone with trouble digesting fats and proteins need to start on a

multi-enzyme program to aid in the decomposition process necessary for

proper digestion.

Ken

-- Re: How much meat (in ounces or grams) is safe to eat

in a day?

Emma

Just wondering, what symptoms do you experience when you cannot digest meat?

Are you aware that meat is broken down in your system by rotting. Meat

actually rots in your intestines. It seems as though one might need enough

healthy bacteria to break it down. Maybe you are low on bile or have very

slow digestion. Many years back I had a problem where I could not digest any

fat at all. I felt nauseated all the time , had terribly bad heartburn and

food would regurgitate on me. Went to digestive institute where they put me

thru a battery of tests but of course found nothing. I suffered for a whole

year barely being able to eat. I constantly had a full feeling and felt sick

After a year it started going away. A drug called reglan helped me a lot.

Reglan helps get everything moving in your digestive tract. Today I believe

I may have had a bacteria and probably an antibiotic would have gotten rid

of it. I am not a fan of antibiotics. But when I was sick for a year like

that, I would have done just about anything to get rid of it. I took every

stomach drug on the market, pepcid, prilosec, zantac, axid, carafate, reglan

propulsid you name it I tried it. Some drugs did nothing, others helped

for a few weeks and then nothing.

Eating meat, or fat are really hard on digestion. Have you tried boiled

chicken, rice, etc. To get rid of candida you need to go as easy as possible

on the digestion. Eating meat is not really a very good idea since it breaks

down slowly and rots which candida LOVES. Is your problem being caused by

candida, it could be. Might I ask how you got diagnose with candida. Are you

sure that is what you have and what have doctors told you?

[Guest guest]

I would suggest you take a good hard look at a all protein diet. I would

even suggest you fine a nutritionist who deals with candidia before you

follow a diet of this type. I agree foods that are processed to death are

the worse of the sugars and no one diet is a cure all for everyone. And a

diary of what you eat per day and what effect the food has is about the only

way to help.

RJ

[Guest guest]

I have to disagree Ken

Emma, is concerned mainly about calories. I have candida, I avoid most grains

almost 99% of the time. Meat has a high fat content and if she cannot digest

then her body is telling her something. Meat rots in your intestines that is how

it is broken down. With candida, care must be taken to speed up the digestion

process. Candida LOVES anything that rots in your intestine. It lives and

thrives on slow inadequate digestion. So if one eats meat and it does not digest

, there is a huge candida problem there alone. Every single book I have read and

all the research I have done indicates red meat should only be eaten 1 a week if

tolerated, which obviously Emma is not tolerating eat. We all know about the

Paleolithic diet, but protein comes in many forms. some much healthier than

others and if one cannot digest then she should not be eating it until she gets

her digestion back on track. Even people with good digestion during candida

should only consume 1 per week.

Eating anything that one does not digest creates the perfect slow digestion

environment for candida. In addition the fat in red meat is converted into a

toxin more of which candida sufferers DO NOT NEED . Cavemen may have eaten meat,

but that meat was not choc full of hormones, antibiotics and pesticides for

animal feed I'll bet. Also cavemen were not dealing with fillings in teeth,

toxins in the air, pollutants, processed foods, etc etc , so the amount of toxic

load on there system was nonexistent. You cannot compare undeveloped cavemen

bodies with the bodies of us as evolved today. Do you eat raw meat? Because

cavemen did , but I'll bet we wouldn't be feeling too good of you did.

In Emma's case, it is not about eating some whole grain brown rice as a carb and

feeding the yeast. it is more about the fact that the red meat, undigested is

doing way more harm than brown rice would do. One does need somewhat of a

balanced diet to avoid some of the nutrient deficiencies that occur with

candida.

Re: How

much meat (in ounces or grams) is safe to eat

in a day? Emma Just wondering, what symptoms do you experience when you cannot

digest meat?

Are you aware that meat is broken down in your system by rotting. Meat

actually rots in your intestines. It seems as though one might need enough

healthy bacteria to break it down. Maybe you are low on bile or have very

slow digestion. Many years back I had a problem where I could not digest any

fat at all. I felt nauseated all the time , had terribly bad heartburn and

food would regurgitate on me. Went to digestive institute where they put me

thru a battery of tests but of course found nothing. I suffered for a whole

year barely being able to eat. I constantly had a full feeling and felt sick

After a year it started going away. A drug called reglan helped me a lot.

Reglan helps get everything moving in your digestive tract. Today I believe

I may have had a bacteria and probably an antibiotic would have gotten rid

of it. I am not a fan of antibiotics. But when I was sick for a year like

that, I would have done just about anything to get rid of it. I took every

stomach drug on the market, pepcid, prilosec, zantac, axid, carafate, reglan

propulsid you name it I tried it. Some drugs did nothing, others helped

for a few weeks and then nothing. Eating meat, or fat are really hard on

digestion. Have you tried boiled

chicken, rice, etc. To get rid of candida you need to go as easy as possible

on the digestion. Eating meat is not really a very good idea since it breaks

down slowly and rots which candida LOVES. Is your problem being caused by

candida, it could be. Might I ask how you got diagnose with candida. Are you

sure that is what you have and what have doctors told you?

[Guest guest]

none...meat is not for human consumption...ask your

colon. better leave the meat for the lions...

--- Emma <eln@...> wrote:

> How many grams of meat is safe to eat per day?

>

> How much do you all eat?

>

> I'm wondering if I could eat lean steak and

> vegetables (pureed) and live off

> that, as I have severe candida, parasites, worms

> etc. etc. and am reacting

> to so many foods I'm on a predigested formula. But I

> want to get off it and

> kill the candida, I can't tolerate fats either...

>

> Just needing help. I'd need alot of lean steak to

> get enough calories and I

> don't know if it's even safe to eat so much. I don't

> know also that I

> could...

>

> Vegetarian for most of my life due to seemingly

> inability to digest meats

> well. They make me really ill. But I've never tried,

> lean, organic,

> unflavoured, (I react to herbs, spices, garlic,

> onions etc. ) pureed steak,

> so maybe it would work... I don't know...

>

> ~E

>

[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ]On

>Behalf Of Tribeca Blu

>

>

>I have to disagree Ken

>

>Emma, is concerned mainly about calories. I have candida, I avoid

>most grains almost 99% of the time. Meat has a high fat content

>and if she cannot digest then her body is telling her something.

Yes, it's probably telling her that her gut ecology is in terrible shape and

needs to be healed so she can digest normal nutritious foods that have been

a mainstay of the human diet for the past 2 million years, such as meat and

fat. Whenever our guts are damaged it's quite normal that we can't digest

foods that are typically digested very well by healthy guts.

>Meat rots in your intestines that is how it is broken down.

Uh, care to share a few citations for that?

Meat does not " rot " in our intestines, but is rather digested just like

other foods. Our digestive systems are built to digest it after all. That is

the reason we have HCl, pepsin and proteases! Having said that, any food can

go undigested and wreak havoc in the intestines when our digestive organs

are not functioning properly which is par for the course with candida

infections and all the related digestive issues.

>Every single book I have read and all the research I have done

>indicates red meat should only be eaten 1 a week if tolerated,

>which obviously Emma is not tolerating eat.

If this were true, then all the exceptionally healthy non-industrialized

groups that Weston A. Price studied in the 1920's and 1930's who had meat as

a mainstay of the diet would not have experienced a level of health that was

cleary far superior to anything any of us modern folks will ever know. While

the optimal amount of meat will vary from person to person, there are many

folks who do better with a diet based primarily on meat and fat (myself

included). Most of the nutrition information you will read on the internet

and in books is pure crap, frankly. So, be warned not to believe everything

in print.

We all know about the

>Paleolithic diet, but protein comes in many forms. some much

>healthier than others and if one cannot digest then she should not

>be eating it until she gets her digestion back on track.

Agreed!

Even

>people with good digestion during candida should only consume 1 per week.

What is this based on? This is a completely arbitrary figure.

>

>Eating anything that one does not digest creates the perfect slow

>digestion environment for candida. In addition the fat in red meat

>is converted into a toxin more of which candida sufferers DO NOT

>NEED .

Which toxin is that? Which red meat are you referring to? Factory farmed red

meat fed toxic indigestible fodder, caged for life, and usually sickly? Or

grass-fed in open pastures on high fertility soil, healthy red meat?

Cavemen may have eaten meat, but that meat was not choc

>full of hormones, antibiotics and pesticides for animal feed I'll

>bet

*Exactly*! But this is the first time in this post that you are *qualifying*

which red meat you are talking about. Fortunately, this sub-optimal meat is

not the only form of meat available to us! I agree 100% that it's generally

crap and should be avoided if possible. However, there is much healthier

meat available to us, thanks to small grass-based farms across the country.

Meat is not *meat*. We need to qualify which type of meat we are talking

about, as the differences are vast.

.. Also cavemen were not dealing with fillings in teeth, toxins

>in the air, pollutants, processed foods, etc etc , so the amount

>of toxic load on there system was nonexistent.

This last sentence is a myth. There were *plenty* of toxins in

pre-industrial times including back in the cave man days. Including dioxins

from forest fires and volcanos (the major sources today as well), mercury in

large marine mammals and fish, natural toxins found in mostly plant foods,

etc, etc.

You cannot compare

>undeveloped cavemen bodies with the bodies of us as evolved today.

>Do you eat raw meat? Because cavemen did , but I'll bet we

>wouldn't be feeling too good of you did.

What's that based on? Lots of us modern folks eat raw meat and feel MUCH

better as a result. I do. I find it easier to digest than cooked meat (as do

many others), and of course the enzymes are not destroyed as with cooking,

and vit. B6 and other heat-labile vitamins are not destroyed as they are in

cooked. I dunno, eating raw meat and other raw animal foods (milk products)

was a common chararcteristic of the extraordinarily health

non-industrialized groups Price studied as well. It's the basis of the

modern Primal Diet and other raw meat based modern diets. <shrug> As long as

the meat's of reasonable quality, I don't worry about it.

>

>

>In Emma's case, it is not about eating some whole grain brown rice

>as a carb and feeding the yeast. it is more about the fact that

>the red meat, undigested is doing way more harm than brown rice

>would do.

What damage is it doing? And how do you know it's doing more damage than the

brown rice?

One does need somewhat of a balanced diet to avoid some

>of the nutrient deficiencies that occur with candida.

One especially needs the foods that build and maintain physical health and

vitality which means highly digestible proteins and fats. We have no dietary

requirement for carbohydrates. Obviously, there's a reason for that.

In Emma's case, since she's been a vegetarian for so long, her digestive

organs have gotten out of the habit of digesting meats and fats and must be

given time to readjust to a diet including these vital foods. Digestive

enzymes and HCl are critical to enhancing the capacity to digest these

things. Pepsin and ox bile should be taken with HCl and pancreatin.

Eventually, as her body heals, she should be able to digest these things

fine without the added enzyems and HCl. So many vegetarians become ill from

lack of essential amino acids and fatty acids due to the vegetarian diet,

their digestive system gets all out of whack with candida or some other form

of dysbiosis, but many recover from their health issues with the foods that

repair the digestive system and other organs - proteins and fats. Proteins

are *essential* for bodily repair and no vegetable source of protein

compares to animal based proteins. Not only are they incomplete but they are

far less digestible. Soy is a really crappy food on many levels, from being

mostly GMO (which poses several dangers) to containing several ant-nutrient

and anti-digestion compounds to being estrogenic to being highly allergenic,

etc, etc.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

this is insane...meat is exactly what causes colon

cancer...aside form that, are you a barbarian? can you

as a human being justify slaughtering animals for

" food " ? either way you slice it, meat is not for

humans.

--- Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----

> >From: candidiasis

> [mailto:candidiasis ]On

> >Behalf Of Tribeca Blu

>

> >

> >

> >I have to disagree Ken

> >

> >Emma, is concerned mainly about calories. I have

> candida, I avoid

> >most grains almost 99% of the time. Meat has a

> high fat content

> >and if she cannot digest then her body is telling

> her something.

>

> Yes, it's probably telling her that her gut ecology

> is in terrible shape and

> needs to be healed so she can digest normal

> nutritious foods that have been

> a mainstay of the human diet for the past 2 million

> years, such as meat and

> fat. Whenever our guts are damaged it's quite normal

> that we can't digest

> foods that are typically digested very well by

> healthy guts.

>

>

>

> >Meat rots in your intestines that is how it is

> broken down.

>

> Uh, care to share a few citations for that?

>

> Meat does not " rot " in our intestines, but is rather

> digested just like

> other foods. Our digestive systems are built to

> digest it after all. That is

> the reason we have HCl, pepsin and proteases! Having

> said that, any food can

> go undigested and wreak havoc in the intestines when

> our digestive organs

> are not functioning properly which is par for the

> course with candida

> infections and all the related digestive issues.

>

>

>

>

>

> >Every single book I have read and all the research

> I have done

> >indicates red meat should only be eaten 1 a week if

> tolerated,

> >which obviously Emma is not tolerating eat.

>

> If this were true, then all the exceptionally

> healthy non-industrialized

> groups that Weston A. Price studied in the 1920's

> and 1930's who had meat as

> a mainstay of the diet would not have experienced a

> level of health that was

> cleary far superior to anything any of us modern

> folks will ever know. While

> the optimal amount of meat will vary from person to

> person, there are many

> folks who do better with a diet based primarily on

> meat and fat (myself

> included). Most of the nutrition information you

> will read on the internet

> and in books is pure crap, frankly. So, be warned

> not to believe everything

> in print.

>

>

>

> We all know about the

> >Paleolithic diet, but protein comes in many forms.

> some much

> >healthier than others and if one cannot digest then

> she should not

> >be eating it until she gets her digestion back on

> track.

>

> Agreed!

>

> Even

> >people with good digestion during candida should

> only consume 1 per week.

>

> What is this based on? This is a completely

> arbitrary figure.

>

>

> >

> >Eating anything that one does not digest creates

> the perfect slow

> >digestion environment for candida. In addition the

> fat in red meat

> >is converted into a toxin more of which candida

> sufferers DO NOT

> >NEED .

>

> Which toxin is that? Which red meat are you

> referring to? Factory farmed red

> meat fed toxic indigestible fodder, caged for life,

> and usually sickly? Or

> grass-fed in open pastures on high fertility soil,

> healthy red meat?

>

>

> Cavemen may have eaten meat, but that meat was not

> choc

> >full of hormones, antibiotics and pesticides for

> animal feed I'll

> >bet

>

> *Exactly*! But this is the first time in this post

> that you are *qualifying*

> which red meat you are talking about. Fortunately,

> this sub-optimal meat is

> not the only form of meat available to us! I agree

> 100% that it's generally

> crap and should be avoided if possible. However,

> there is much healthier

> meat available to us, thanks to small grass-based

> farms across the country.

> Meat is not *meat*. We need to qualify which type of

> meat we are talking

> about, as the differences are vast.

>

>

> . Also cavemen were not dealing with fillings in

> teeth, toxins

> >in the air, pollutants, processed foods, etc etc ,

> so the amount

> >of toxic load on there system was nonexistent.

>

> This last sentence is a myth. There were *plenty* of

> toxins in

> pre-industrial times including back in the cave man

> days. Including dioxins

> from forest fires and volcanos (the major sources

> today as well), mercury in

> large marine mammals and fish, natural toxins found

> in mostly plant foods,

> etc, etc.

>

> You cannot compare

> >undeveloped cavemen bodies with the bodies of us as

> evolved today.

> >Do you eat raw meat? Because cavemen did , but I'll

> bet we

> >wouldn't be feeling too good of you did.

>

> What's that based on? Lots of us modern folks eat

> raw meat and feel MUCH

> better as a result. I do. I find it easier to digest

> than cooked meat (as do

> many others), and of course the enzymes are not

> destroyed as with cooking,

> and vit. B6 and other heat-labile vitamins are not

> destroyed as they are in

> cooked. I dunno, eating raw meat and other raw

> animal foods (milk products)

> was a common chararcteristic of the extraordinarily

> health

> non-industrialized groups Price studied as well.

> It's the basis of the

> modern Primal Diet and other raw meat based modern

> diets. <shrug> As long as

> the meat's of reasonable quality, I don't worry

> about it.

>

>

> >

> >

> >In Emma's case, it is not about eating some whole

> grain brown rice

> >as a carb and feeding the yeast. it is more about

> the fact that

> >the red meat, undigested is doing way more harm

> than brown rice

> >would do.

>

> What damage is it doing? And how do you know it's

> doing more damage than the

> brown rice?

>

>

> One does need somewhat of a balanced diet to avoid

> some

> >of the nutrient deficiencies that occur with

> candida.

>

> One especially needs the foods that build and

> maintain physical health and

> vitality which means highly digestible proteins and

> fats. We have no dietary

> requirement for carbohydrates. Obviously, there's a

> reason for that.

>

=== message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

Greetings All

I hope that all are well and in the best of the best!!!

I hope that this conversation will continue to go on a smooth tone.

No name calling and such is good for the one being called or the one

calling.

We are here to help each other not to yell and force our thoughts down

anothers what ever.

Lets please be kind to each other when we post!

And if not then I will have to step in.

Best to all and success in which ever why you go to get your body back

on track.

nieema

your moderator.

Oh yes, please remember to trim your emails!

>

> > >-----Original Message-----

> > >From: candidiasis

> > [mailto:candidiasis ]On

> > >Behalf Of Tribeca Blu

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >I have to disagree Ken

> > >

> > >Emma, is concerned mainly about calories. I have

> > candida, I avoid

> > >most grains almost 99% of the time. Meat has a

> > high fat content

> > >and if she cannot digest then her body is telling

> > her something.

[Guest guest]

There is a great group for people who don't like to eat meat, its called

Green-group, check it out, they will not argue the meat eating point. I

wonder why we have those sharp ripping teeth if we were not designed to eat

meat??? My ancestors ate it all the time, ate it raw, they all lived to be

over a hundred. As far as killing animals, they are raised for the purpose,

no one is eating their cat. I love animals, I own around 19 of them, but God

placed me above the animals and told us to eat certain ones. Plants are

alive before we eat them, next people will be upset about that too. And meat

does not cause colon cancer, if it did all my ancestors would have had it,

and died from it that is for sure, Bacon every morning, salami for lunch and

steak for dinner, every day, 7 days a week. They also ate butter, used

bacon fat to cook in, ate eggs all the time, and everything else that is

suppose to be bad for us. Its what has happened to our food sources that is

killing us and causing cancer, the pesticides, chemicals, hormones,

antibiotics, not the foods themselves. If you think you are immune from

cancer because you do not eat meat your dreaming, I know plenty of vegans

who are really sick with all kinds of illness and cancer too. GIna

-- RE: How much meat (in ounces or grams) is safe to eat

in a day?

this is insane...meat is exactly what causes colon

cancer...aside form that, are you a barbarian? can you

as a human being justify slaughtering animals for

" food " ? either way you slice it, meat is not for

humans.

--- Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----

> >From: candidiasis

> [mailto:candidiasis ]On

> >Behalf Of Tribeca Blu

>

> >

> >

> >I have to disagree Ken

> >

> >Emma, is concerned mainly about calories. I have

> candida, I avoid

> >most grains almost 99% of the time. Meat has a

> high fat content

> >and if she cannot digest then her body is telling

> her something.

>

> Yes, it's probably telling her that her gut ecology

> is in terrible shape and

> needs to be healed so she can digest normal

> nutritious foods that have been

> a mainstay of the human diet for the past 2 million

> years, such as meat and

> fat. Whenever our guts are damaged it's quite normal

> that we can't digest

> foods that are typically digested very well by

> healthy guts.

>

>

>

> >Meat rots in your intestines that is how it is

> broken down.

>

> Uh, care to share a few citations for that?

>

> Meat does not " rot " in our intestines, but is rather

> digested just like

> other foods. Our digestive systems are built to

> digest it after all. That is

> the reason we have HCl, pepsin and proteases! Having

> said that, any food can

> go undigested and wreak havoc in the intestines when

> our digestive organs

> are not functioning properly which is par for the

> course with candida

> infections and all the related digestive issues.

>

>

>

>

>

> >Every single book I have read and all the research

> I have done

> >indicates red meat should only be eaten 1 a week if

> tolerated,

> >which obviously Emma is not tolerating eat.

>

> If this were true, then all the exceptionally

> healthy non-industrialized

> groups that Weston A. Price studied in the 1920's

> and 1930's who had meat as

> a mainstay of the diet would not have experienced a

> level of health that was

> cleary far superior to anything any of us modern

> folks will ever know. While

> the optimal amount of meat will vary from person to

> person, there are many

> folks who do better with a diet based primarily on

> meat and fat (myself

> included). Most of the nutrition information you

> will read on the internet

> and in books is pure crap, frankly. So, be warned

> not to believe everything

> in print.

>

>

>

> We all know about the

> >Paleolithic diet, but protein comes in many forms.

> some much

> >healthier than others and if one cannot digest then

> she should not

> >be eating it until she gets her digestion back on

> track.

>

> Agreed!

>

> Even

> >people with good digestion during candida should

> only consume 1 per week.

>

> What is this based on? This is a completely

> arbitrary figure.

>

>

> >

> >Eating anything that one does not digest creates

> the perfect slow

> >digestion environment for candida. In addition the

> fat in red meat

> >is converted into a toxin more of which candida

> sufferers DO NOT

> >NEED .

>

> Which toxin is that? Which red meat are you

> referring to? Factory farmed red

> meat fed toxic indigestible fodder, caged for life,

> and usually sickly? Or

> grass-fed in open pastures on high fertility soil,

> healthy red meat?

>

>

> Cavemen may have eaten meat, but that meat was not

> choc

> >full of hormones, antibiotics and pesticides for

> animal feed I'll

> >bet

>

> *Exactly*! But this is the first time in this post

> that you are *qualifying*

> which red meat you are talking about. Fortunately,

> this sub-optimal meat is

> not the only form of meat available to us! I agree

> 100% that it's generally

> crap and should be avoided if possible. However,

> there is much healthier

> meat available to us, thanks to small grass-based

> farms across the country.

> Meat is not *meat*. We need to qualify which type of

> meat we are talking

> about, as the differences are vast.

>

>

> . Also cavemen were not dealing with fillings in

> teeth, toxins

> >in the air, pollutants, processed foods, etc etc ,

> so the amount

> >of toxic load on there system was nonexistent.

>

> This last sentence is a myth. There were *plenty* of

> toxins in

> pre-industrial times including back in the cave man

> days. Including dioxins

> from forest fires and volcanos (the major sources

> today as well), mercury in

> large marine mammals and fish, natural toxins found

> in mostly plant foods,

> etc, etc.

>

> You cannot compare

> >undeveloped cavemen bodies with the bodies of us as

> evolved today.

> >Do you eat raw meat? Because cavemen did , but I'll

> bet we

> >wouldn't be feeling too good of you did.

>

> What's that based on? Lots of us modern folks eat

> raw meat and feel MUCH

> better as a result. I do. I find it easier to digest

> than cooked meat (as do

> many others), and of course the enzymes are not

> destroyed as with cooking,

> and vit. B6 and other heat-labile vitamins are not

> destroyed as they are in

> cooked. I dunno, eating raw meat and other raw

> animal foods (milk products)

> was a common chararcteristic of the extraordinarily

> health

> non-industrialized groups Price studied as well.

> It's the basis of the

> modern Primal Diet and other raw meat based modern

> diets. <shrug> As long as

> the meat's of reasonable quality, I don't worry

> about it.

>

>

> >

> >

> >In Emma's case, it is not about eating some whole

> grain brown rice

> >as a carb and feeding the yeast. it is more about

> the fact that

> >the red meat, undigested is doing way more harm

> than brown rice

> >would do.

>

> What damage is it doing? And how do you know it's

> doing more damage than the

> brown rice?

>

>

> One does need somewhat of a balanced diet to avoid

> some

> >of the nutrient deficiencies that occur with

> candida.

>

> One especially needs the foods that build and

> maintain physical health and

> vitality which means highly digestible proteins and

> fats. We have no dietary

> requirement for carbohydrates. Obviously, there's a

> reason for that.

>

=== message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

>

Website Tour for Vegetarians

http://www.westonaprice.org/tour/vegtourindex.html

What's Wrong With " Politically Correct " Nutrition?

http://www.westonaprice.org/tour/vegtourindex.html

The Vegan Ecological Wasteland

http://www.westonaprice.org/farming/wasteland.html

either way you slice it, meat is not for

>humans.

Au contraire, it's a vital food for our species.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know how others feel but when I signed onto this group I thought it was

about the best diet/treatment for candida and not about personal views and

ethical debates about meat eating. As a dietician I beleive you can have a very

balanced diet whether choose to include a *limited* amount of meat in your diet

or not. I certainly didin't come here to be judged just because I'm not

vegetarian.

In my opinion high protein diets, especially those consisting largely of red

meat, contibute to vitamin/mineral deficiencies, do not provide enough fibre,

place undue strain on your

kidneys, increase trans fatty acids and LDL levels (the suckers that take the

cholesterol to the lining of arteries wall), reduce the amount of short chain

fatty acids in your bowel (such as butyric acid) which are protective against

colon cancer and the list goes on. I know its hard when we can't eat white

flour based products but I tend to think we still need to choose some wholegrain

foods along with our vegies. I think fish is also a really good option

(particularly the deep sea salmon and tunas which their omega 3 and 6 content),

and lean chicken are also good choices.

On another level, for the girls that get recurrent vaginitis, apparently this

happens because you release an inflammatory substance called prostaglandin E2 in

response to relasing histamine (which you release in response to the candida

itself). This prostaglandin E2 is said to disable your immune system against

recurrent outbreaks so you are in a viscious cycle. A diet rich in red

meat/dairy is thought to only further induce prostaglandin release. On the

other hand, the omega 3s and 6s inhibit it.

I hope this is useful anyway but I'm not sure if I'll stick around if the

conversation continues to be so emotively driven. You are never going to change

people minds like this, just make them as angry as you.

'.........are you a barbarian? can you

as a human being justify slaughtering animals for

" food " ? either way you slice it, meat is not for

humans.'

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I can only speak from personal experience, cos that's

all I have! When I had a certain parasite (giardia) I

could not digest meat at all, it just sat in my

stomach and made me feel terrible. So I went

vegetarian, and stayed like it for 3 years, eating

beans, nuts for protein, lots of veg and essential

fatty acids, and did okay on it. As I got better, I

went back to eating animal protein and was fine on it,

and it was only when I got ill again in July 2004 that

I was advised to stop eating red meat and just have

chicken and fish as my protein sources. This was not

because of anything that was wrong with the meat per

se, just simply because I couldn't digest it. Once my

digestive system started to recover, I was told I

could go back on to red meat, that this was the

healthy option for me, and would help to build up my

blood. I have to say, after a roast lamb shank or a

beef bolognaise sauce, I do feel pretty good! I've

been told still to avoid pork though, and, listening

to my body, it's the one meat I can't face. So....I

think that different choices may be right for

different people, and even for ourselves at different

times in our lives.

Best wishes,

Jane

--- nieema <nieema0@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Greetings All

I hope that all are well and in the best of the

best!!!

I hope that this conversation will continue to go on a

smooth tone.

No name calling and such is good for the one being

called or the one

calling.

We are here to help each other not to yell and force

our thoughts down

anothers what ever.

Lets please be kind to each other when we post!

And if not then I will have to step in.

Best to all and success in which ever why you go to

get your body back

on track.

nieema

your moderator.

Oh yes, please remember to trim your emails!

>

> > >-----Original Message-----

> > >From: candidiasis

> > [mailto:candidiasis ]On

> > >Behalf Of Tribeca Blu

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >I have to disagree Ken

> > >

> > >Emma, is concerned mainly about calories. I have

> > candida, I avoid

> > >most grains almost 99% of the time. Meat has a

> > high fat content

> > >and if she cannot digest then her body is telling

> > her something.

[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ]On

>Behalf Of Suze Fisher

>Then the last 2 million years of our existence as homo sapiens sapiens

>(modern humans) in which large ungulates were a mainstay of the diet, is

>insane :-/

Ooooh wow, correction. Homo sapien sapiens have only been around for approx.

150,000 years, give or take several thousand. The two million figure is

approx. when the genus *homo* (true humans) first developed, and at least

how long our ancestors were hunter/gatherers/scavengers, although there is

not complete agreement on how much meat was eaten during this first homo

habilis era. From what I understand the evidence suggests the next level on

the evolutionary scale - homo erectus - consumed more meat than habilis -

they seemed to do more hunting and not just rely on scavenging. And of

course eventually, due to the last ice age approx. 115,000 ya, when plants

were not generally available in many areas, our species relied heavily on

animal foods. (For an interesting discussion on this topic see: Paleolithic

Diet vs. Vegetarianism:

What was humanity's original, natural diet?

http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/hb/hb-interview1a.shtml)

All this to say we have adapted as a species to relying on the nutrients in

animal foods, some more than others. The Inuit, for instance, who've relied

on a diet almost exclusively made of animal foods (mostly fat - about 80%),

lack the D6D enzyme which is required to convert plant-based omega 3s and 6s

to the biologically active longer chain 3s and 6s that are found in animal

foods.

Of course not everyone lacks this enzyme, although those from Northern

Europe (Scandanavia, Ireland, etc.) apparently often lack it as well due to

their ancestral diet, it illustrates dietary adaptation over a very long

period of time. Anyway, this could get very tangential here. The main issue

is that Emma should experiment with meat for herself and figure out what

amount best suits her own needs. But like most former or recovering

vegan/vegetarians, some HCl, ox bile and enzyme supplementation would

greatly help until her gut is healthy again.

Respectfully,

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

[Guest guest]

Every single book I have read and all the research I have done

>indicates red meat should only be eaten 1 a week if tolerated,

>which obviously Emma is not tolerating eat.

If this were true, then all the exceptionally healthy non-industrialized

groups that Weston A. Price studied in the 1920's and 1930's who had meat as

a mainstay of the diet would not have experienced a level of health that was

cleary far superior to anything any of us modern folks will ever know. While

the optimal amount of meat will vary from person to person, there are many

folks who do better with a diet based primarily on meat and fat (myself

included). Most of the nutrition information you will read on the internet

and in books is pure crap, frankly. So, be warned not to believe everything

in print.

I was referring to the CANDIDA DIET

RE: How much meat (in ounces or grams) is safe to eat

in a day?

>-----Original Message-----

>From: candidiasis <mailto:candidiasis >

[mailto:candidiasis ]On

>Behalf Of Tribeca Blu

>

>

>I have to disagree Ken

>

>Emma, is concerned mainly about calories. I have candida, I avoid

>most grains almost 99% of the time. Meat has a high fat content

>and if she cannot digest then her body is telling her something.

Yes, it's probably telling her that her gut ecology is in terrible shape and

needs to be healed so she can digest normal nutritious foods that have been

a mainstay of the human diet for the past 2 million years, such as meat and

fat. Whenever our guts are damaged it's quite normal that we can't digest

foods that are typically digested very well by healthy guts.

>Meat rots in your intestines that is how it is broken down.

Uh, care to share a few citations for that?

Meat does not " rot " in our intestines, but is rather digested just like

other foods. Our digestive systems are built to digest it after all. That is

the reason we have HCl, pepsin and proteases! Having said that, any food can

go undigested and wreak havoc in the intestines when our digestive organs

are not functioning properly which is par for the course with candida

infections and all the related digestive issues.

>Every single book I have read and all the research I have done

>indicates red meat should only be eaten 1 a week if tolerated,

>which obviously Emma is not tolerating eat.

If this were true, then all the exceptionally healthy non-industrialized

groups that Weston A. Price studied in the 1920's and 1930's who had meat as

a mainstay of the diet would not have experienced a level of health that was

cleary far superior to anything any of us modern folks will ever know. While

the optimal amount of meat will vary from person to person, there are many

folks who do better with a diet based primarily on meat and fat (myself

included). Most of the nutrition information you will read on the internet

and in books is pure crap, frankly. So, be warned not to believe everything

in print.

We all know about the

>Paleolithic diet, but protein comes in many forms. some much

>healthier than others and if one cannot digest then she should not

>be eating it until she gets her digestion back on track.

Agreed!

Even

>people with good digestion during candida should only consume 1 per week.

What is this based on? This is a completely arbitrary figure.

>

>Eating anything that one does not digest creates the perfect slow

>digestion environment for candida. In addition the fat in red meat

>is converted into a toxin more of which candida sufferers DO NOT

>NEED .

Which toxin is that? Which red meat are you referring to? Factory farmed red

meat fed toxic indigestible fodder, caged for life, and usually sickly? Or

grass-fed in open pastures on high fertility soil, healthy red meat?

Cavemen may have eaten meat, but that meat was not choc

>full of hormones, antibiotics and pesticides for animal feed I'll

>bet

*Exactly*! But this is the first time in this post that you are *qualifying*

which red meat you are talking about. Fortunately, this sub-optimal meat is

not the only form of meat available to us! I agree 100% that it's generally

crap and should be avoided if possible. However, there is much healthier

meat available to us, thanks to small grass-based farms across the country.

Meat is not *meat*. We need to qualify which type of meat we are talking

about, as the differences are vast.

. Also cavemen were not dealing with fillings in teeth, toxins

>in the air, pollutants, processed foods, etc etc , so the amount

>of toxic load on there system was nonexistent.

This last sentence is a myth. There were *plenty* of toxins in

pre-industrial times including back in the cave man days. Including dioxins

from forest fires and volcanos (the major sources today as well), mercury in

large marine mammals and fish, natural toxins found in mostly plant foods,

etc, etc.

You cannot compare

>undeveloped cavemen bodies with the bodies of us as evolved today.

>Do you eat raw meat? Because cavemen did , but I'll bet we

>wouldn't be feeling too good of you did.

What's that based on? Lots of us modern folks eat raw meat and feel MUCH

better as a result. I do. I find it easier to digest than cooked meat (as do

many others), and of course the enzymes are not destroyed as with cooking,

and vit. B6 and other heat-labile vitamins are not destroyed as they are in

cooked. I dunno, eating raw meat and other raw animal foods (milk products)

was a common chararcteristic of the extraordinarily health

non-industrialized groups Price studied as well. It's the basis of the

modern Primal Diet and other raw meat based modern diets. <shrug> As long as

the meat's of reasonable quality, I don't worry about it.

>

>

>In Emma's case, it is not about eating some whole grain brown rice

>as a carb and feeding the yeast. it is more about the fact that

>the red meat, undigested is doing way more harm than brown rice

>would do.

What damage is it doing? And how do you know it's doing more damage than the

brown rice?

One does need somewhat of a balanced diet to avoid some

>of the nutrient deficiencies that occur with candida.

One especially needs the foods that build and maintain physical health and

vitality which means highly digestible proteins and fats. We have no dietary

requirement for carbohydrates. Obviously, there's a reason for that.

In Emma's case, since she's been a vegetarian for so long, her digestive

organs have gotten out of the habit of digesting meats and fats and must be

given time to readjust to a diet including these vital foods. Digestive

enzymes and HCl are critical to enhancing the capacity to digest these

things. Pepsin and ox bile should be taken with HCl and pancreatin.

Eventually, as her body heals, she should be able to digest these things

fine without the added enzyems and HCl. So many vegetarians become ill from

lack of essential amino acids and fatty acids due to the vegetarian diet,

their digestive system gets all out of whack with candida or some other form

of dysbiosis, but many recover from their health issues with the foods that

repair the digestive system and other organs - proteins and fats. Proteins

are *essential* for bodily repair and no vegetable source of protein

compares to animal based proteins. Not only are they incomplete but they are

far less digestible. Soy is a really crappy food on many levels, from being

mostly GMO (which poses several dangers) to containing several ant-nutrient

and anti-digestion compounds to being estrogenic to being highly allergenic,

etc, etc.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg<http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3s\

hjg>

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org<http://www.westonaprice.org/>

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org<http://www.thincs.org/>>

----------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Greetings All

Liz welcome to the group! All new people welcome too.

This group is mainly about personal experiences and helping others

thru conversation about what works for them. Others tell about what

does not work for them and many times why the treatment/protocol

failed. We all share things we find out on the topic of candida. You

would be surprised at who all is on this group. Doctors of all kinds

are here to learn and share.

This group will and has openly discussed raw milk and what good or bad

it does for candida to what it the correct type of a B vitamin to

take. All the things that effect candida are discussed here.

The conversations are for the most part civil and kind. At times you

will find someone that is a bit angry...please understand that person

might not be as able to control him or herself at that moment due to

many factors. On of them just might be the candida problems.

I hope people will stay and share their experiences..personal or

information from another source.

We are here to help each other along the journey into better health.

If there is a magic bullet it would be this group and groups like

this where you are able to ask and get answer to questions your Dr.

can not or will not answer for you.

You/we are blessed to have some of the greatest minds here on this

group. Some have been here for years, sharing and caring for the new

and old alike.

So, for all of you new people and old alike, lets help get thru this

hard time of the year " THE HOLIDAYS DAYS "

Remember to read back emails on different topics. You can also read

emails by just one person. All this is done at the home page in the

message section.

Again to all...Welcome

Just my .4 cents

Yours in good health

nieema

too blessed to be stressed

>

> I don't know how others feel but when I signed onto this group I

thought it was about the best diet/treatment for candida and not about

personal views and ethical debates about meat eating. As a dietician I

beleive you can have a very balanced diet whether choose to include a

*limited* amount of meat in your diet or not. I certainly didin't

come here to be judged just because I'm not vegetarian.

>

> In my opinion high protein diets, especially those consisting

largely of red meat, contibute to vitamin/mineral deficiencies, do

not provide enough fibre, place undue strain on your

> kidneys, increase trans fatty acids and LDL levels (the suckers that

take the cholesterol to the lining of arteries wall), reduce the

amount of short chain fatty acids in your bowel (such as butyric acid)

which are protective against colon cancer and the list goes on. I

know its hard when we can't eat white flour based products but I tend

to think we still need to choose some wholegrain foods along with our

vegies. I think fish is also a really good option (particularly the

deep sea salmon and tunas which their omega 3 and 6 content), and lean

chicken are also good choices.

[Guest guest]

> Are you aware that meat is broken down in your system by rotting.

> Meat actually rots in your intestines.

The false belief that meat rots in your intestines was conceived

and pushed by the anti-meat activists. Meat is primarily broken

down enzymatically with enzyms you produce; this circumvents an

uncontrolled experiment in which the bacteria would do most of the

work. The tiny amount of " rotting " of the meat by bacteria is due

to improper emulsification in the stomach acid, which can be

improved by not eating a " meat-n-potatoes " diet; in other words,

eating meat with greens, and the carbs at a different time.

> Eating meat, or fat are really hard on digestion.

We are made to eat meat; that's why we produce enzymes to digest

it. If a person can't produce enough of those enzymes they can be

taken with food, as can stomach acidifiers. What's really hard on

digestion is antacids.

> Have you tried boiled

> chicken, rice, etc. To get rid of candida you need to go as easy as

> possible on the digestion.

The easiest form of protein to assimilate by a large margin is cold-

processed whey. It can be HALF as difficult to assimilate as meat.

It is a specific weight-gaining (anti-cachexia) tool.

> Eating meat is not really a very good idea

> since it breaks down slowly and rots which candida LOVES.

Unsubsantiated vegan agenda.

>

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

> none...meat is not for human consumption...ask your

> colon. better leave the meat for the lions...

If you have to ask your colon, the meat is going to far down the

digestive tract. It should be digested before it gets to the colon.

We're made to eat meat, but we're made to secrete enough stomach

acid to start breaking it down properly too.

There's an interesting article online called the " Myths Of

Vegetarianism " that blows the vegan agenda out of th water.

Duncan

[Guest guest]

> Jaern Skaalhammar wrote:

> this is insane...meat is exactly what causes colon

> cancer...aside form that, are you a barbarian? can you

> as a human being justify slaughtering animals for

> " food " ? either way you slice it, meat is not for

> humans.

No, toxin load causes colon cancer, and a diet that contains enough

inulin to feed beneficial organisms suppresses colon cancer.

I think your emotional argument Jaern, could be taken to a

different venue. This serves no purpose here.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Want to see another opinion about eating meat or not to eat meat? Check out:

http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm

How humans are not physically created to eat meat

Although some historians and anthropologists say that man is historically

omnivorous, our anatomical equipment ­ teeth, jaws, and digestive system ­

favors

a fleshless diet. The American Dietetic Association notes that " most of

mankind for most of human history has lived on vegetarian or near-vegetarian

diets. "

And much of the world still lives that way. Even on most industrialized

countries, the love affair with meat is less than a hundred years old. It

started

with the refrigerator car and the twentieth-century consumer society. But

even with the twentieth century, man's body hasn't adapted to eating meat.

The

prominent Swedish scientist Karl von Linne states, " Man's structure,

external and internal, compared with that of the other animals, shows that

fruit and

succulent vegetables constitute his natural food. " The chart below compares

the anatomy of man with that of carnivorous and herbivorous animals. Etc.

[Guest guest]

>

" Meat does not " rot " in our intestines, but is rather digested just like

other foods. Our digestive systems are built to digest it after all. "

**Some, who believe they are just as " right " as you believe you are, would

say that carnivores have short intestines, so that before the meat has a

chance to rot in them, the meat has been eliminated. Humans do NOT have

short intestines.

" While

the optimal amount of meat will vary from person to person, there are many

folks who do better with a diet based primarily on meat and fat (myself

included). Most of the nutrition information you will read on the internet

and in books is pure crap, frankly. So, be warned not to believe everything

in print. "

**You say that " many folks " do better eating meat/fat, but what about

everyone else? " Many folks " have also followed the WPF diet and have gotten

terribly sick. Just as we cannot say that everyone should eat certain foods,

we cannot believe everything will fit for us, no matter how many

civilizations it worked for. Why do some people have flat incisors? Hmmm. I

agree, you cannot believe everything you read. Remember that the door swings

both ways.

" Lots of us modern folks eat raw meat and feel MUCH

better as a result. I do. I find it easier to digest than cooked meat (as do

many others), and of course the enzymes are not destroyed as with cooking,

and vit. B6 and other heat-labile vitamins are not destroyed as they are in

cooked. "

**And this is the first time that YOU have quantified " meat. " Perhaps.meat

was never meant to be cooked and the people that DO eat cooked meat have

colon cancer-causing, rotting meat in their slow moving intestines?

" One especially needs the foods that build and maintain physical health and

vitality which means highly digestible proteins and fats. We have no dietary

requirement for carbohydrates. Obviously, there's a reason for that. "

**MANY people would disagree with that, and I have to say it's just not

true. That's like saying we need no fruits and vegetables, which is one of

the biggest problems I have with WPF. It isn't all about eating meat, raw or

not, all day long. The point is pushed so hard, that eating fruits and

vegetables are mostly overlooked.

" So many vegetarians become ill from

lack of essential amino acids and fatty acids due to the vegetarian diet,

their digestive system gets all out of whack with candida or some other form

of dysbiosis, but many recover from their health issues with the foods that

repair the digestive system and other organs - proteins and fats. "

**And MOST vegetarians go on to live a long and healthy life. If you cross

on over to the other side for a while, you will find an entirely different

group of people who are just as healthy as you and your WPF believe you are.

" Soy is a really crappy food on many levels, from being

mostly GMO (which poses several dangers) to containing several ant-nutrient

and anti-digestion compounds to being estrogenic to being highly allergenic,

etc, etc. "

**Again, this is opinion. Eggs and peanut butter are also highly allergenic,

and I know NO ONE who is allergic to them. Does that mean the entire

population is better without them? No. Most of the negative information

available on soy is regurgitation of Sally Fallon, not additional research

to support her claim. There are TONS of people who consume soy daily and are

VERY healthy, and lots of scientific evidence to support it. No, I don't

believe in scientific studies.I believe in results- just like Weston Price

did. Your very strong opinions do not mesh with your comments that " many "

people can eat tons of meat, admitting that there are others who cannot.

Just as " many " people can eat soy, some cannot.

Have a blessed day!

Evie Maddox

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[Guest guest]

,

I don't see anything in Emma's post about slow digestion. She has

trouble with fats and meats. Besides the candida " rejecting " this food as

it wants sugars and carbs(which is why we get the cravings for these), this

likely indicates liver/gallbladder congestion, as we must have the correct

amount of bile to fully digest any fat/protein. If she is full of

gallstones, she will have poor digestion, especially with fats/proteins. I

agree with you that the body relies on decomposition in order to fully

utilize the nutrients from the foods we eat. If candida also thrives on the

same rotting food that we rely on, then we are certainly in trouble.

Following that logic, we better stop eating altogether. Bacteria is what

thrives on rotting food, not yeast. When you bake bread, in order to

activate the yeast, do you add sugar or rotting meat?

I also agree with you about the environmental toxin debacle. That is

why I stressed in my previous post the importance of both parasite and organ

cleanses for the liver, kidneys, colon, and even the skin.

To address your question concerning eating raw meat: I know many many

people that eat raw beef, eggs, milk, fish, etc. This is how we are suppose

to eat, anyway. Have you ever seen a predator cook it's prey after a kill?

We are the only species that does and we can still convert back to being

able to eat raw foods as this is Mother Nature's intentions. In fact, we

have poor digestion because of the very fact that we do cook our foods,

destroying the very enzymes we count on to aid in this decomposition process

necessary for digestion. Have you ever wondered why we are the only species

that suffers from rampant chronic disease of every area of our bodies? As

long as we don't feed our pets table scraps from our toxic foods, they will

almost always live a long healthy life so long as they are fed properly and

kept relatively clean, yet we continue to eat this way.

Eggs are the perfect food as they contain everything necessary in order

to both develop and survive. I know of a man who consumes 22 eggs per day

and has perfect cholesterol and enjoys robust health. Please realize that

rice is not what should be considered a part of a balanced diet as it

contains virtually nothing that we need to survive. It merely is a complex

source of energy, one that candida is making you crave.

Can somebody else please reiterate the fact that meat does NOT feed

candida?

Ken

-- Re: How much meat (in ounces or grams) is safe to eat

in a day?

I have to disagree Ken

Emma, is concerned mainly about calories. I have candida, I avoid most

grains almost 99% of the time. Meat has a high fat content and if she

cannot digest then her body is telling her something. Meat rots in your

intestines that is how it is broken down. With candida, care must be taken

to speed up the digestion process. Candida LOVES anything that rots in your

intestine. It lives and thrives on slow inadequate digestion. So if one eats

meat and it does not digest , there is a huge candida problem there alone.

Every single book I have read and all the research I have done indicates red

meat should only be eaten 1 a week if tolerated, which obviously Emma is not

tolerating eat. We all know about the Paleolithic diet, but protein comes in

many forms. some much healthier than others and if one cannot digest then

she should not be eating it until she gets her digestion back on track. Even

people with good digestion during candida should only consume 1 per week.

Eating anything that one does not digest creates the perfect slow digestion

environment for candida. In addition the fat in red meat is converted into a

toxin more of which candida sufferers DO NOT NEED . Cavemen may have eaten

meat, but that meat was not choc full of hormones, antibiotics and

pesticides for animal feed I'll bet. Also cavemen were not dealing with

fillings in teeth, toxins in the air, pollutants, processed foods, etc etc ,

so the amount of toxic load on there system was nonexistent. You cannot

compare undeveloped cavemen bodies with the bodies of us as evolved today.

Do you eat raw meat? Because cavemen did , but I'll bet we wouldn't be

feeling too good of you did.

In Emma's case, it is not about eating some whole grain brown rice as a carb

and feeding the yeast. it is more about the fact that the red meat,

undigested is doing way more harm than brown rice would do. One does need

somewhat of a balanced diet to avoid some of the nutrient deficiencies that

occur with candida.

Re:

How much meat (in ounces or grams) is safe to eat

in a day? Emma Just wondering, what symptoms do you experience when you

cannot digest meat?

Are you aware that meat is broken down in your system by rotting. Meat

actually rots in your intestines. It seems as though one might need enough

healthy bacteria to break it down. Maybe you are low on bile or have very

slow digestion. Many years back I had a problem where I could not digest

any

fat at all. I felt nauseated all the time , had terribly bad heartburn and

food would regurgitate on me. Went to digestive institute where they put

me

thru a battery of tests but of course found nothing. I suffered for a

whole

year barely being able to eat. I constantly had a full feeling and felt

sick

After a year it started going away. A drug called reglan helped me a lot.

Reglan helps get everything moving in your digestive tract. Today I

believe

I may have had a bacteria and probably an antibiotic would have gotten rid

of it. I am not a fan of antibiotics. But when I was sick for a year like

that, I would have done just about anything to get rid of it. I took every

stomach drug on the market, pepcid, prilosec, zantac, axid, carafate,

reglan

propulsid you name it I tried it. Some drugs did nothing, others helped

for a few weeks and then nothing. Eating meat, or fat are really hard on

digestion. Have you tried boiled

chicken, rice, etc. To get rid of candida you need to go as easy as

possible

on the digestion. Eating meat is not really a very good idea since it

breaks

down slowly and rots which candida LOVES. Is your problem being caused by

candida, it could be. Might I ask how you got diagnose with candida. Are

you

sure that is what you have and what have doctors told you?

[Guest guest]

Well in that case, what do you suppose our incisors are for?

Ken

-- Re: How much meat (in ounces or grams) is safe to eat

in a day?

none...meat is not for human consumption...ask your

colon. better leave the meat for the lions...

[Guest guest]

Parasites and solvents cause colon cancer, not meat. Have you ever heard

of cavemen?

Ken

-- RE: How much meat (in ounces or grams) is safe to eat

in a day?

this is insane...meat is exactly what causes colon

cancer...aside form that, are you a barbarian? can you

as a human being justify slaughtering animals for

" food " ? either way you slice it, meat is not for

humans.

--- Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----

> >From: candidiasis

> [mailto:candidiasis ]On

> >Behalf Of Tribeca Blu

>

> >

> >

> >I have to disagree Ken

> >

> >Emma, is concerned mainly about calories. I have

> candida, I avoid

> >most grains almost 99% of the time. Meat has a

> high fat content

> >and if she cannot digest then her body is telling

> her something.

>

> Yes, it's probably telling her that her gut ecology

> is in terrible shape and

> needs to be healed so she can digest normal

> nutritious foods that have been

> a mainstay of the human diet for the past 2 million

> years, such as meat and

> fat. Whenever our guts are damaged it's quite normal

> that we can't digest

> foods that are typically digested very well by

> healthy guts.

>

>

>

> >Meat rots in your intestines that is how it is

> broken down.

>

> Uh, care to share a few citations for that?

>

> Meat does not " rot " in our intestines, but is rather

> digested just like

> other foods. Our digestive systems are built to

> digest it after all. That is

> the reason we have HCl, pepsin and proteases! Having

> said that, any food can

> go undigested and wreak havoc in the intestines when

> our digestive organs

> are not functioning properly which is par for the

> course with candida

> infections and all the related digestive issues.

>

>

>

>

>

> >Every single book I have read and all the research

> I have done

> >indicates red meat should only be eaten 1 a week if

> tolerated,

> >which obviously Emma is not tolerating eat.

>

> If this were true, then all the exceptionally

> healthy non-industrialized

> groups that Weston A. Price studied in the 1920's

> and 1930's who had meat as

> a mainstay of the diet would not have experienced a

> level of health that was

> cleary far superior to anything any of us modern

> folks will ever know. While

> the optimal amount of meat will vary from person to

> person, there are many

> folks who do better with a diet based primarily on

> meat and fat (myself

> included). Most of the nutrition information you

> will read on the internet

> and in books is pure crap, frankly. So, be warned

> not to believe everything

> in print.

>

>

>

> We all know about the

> >Paleolithic diet, but protein comes in many forms.

> some much

> >healthier than others and if one cannot digest then

> she should not

> >be eating it until she gets her digestion back on

> track.

>

> Agreed!

>

> Even

> >people with good digestion during candida should

> only consume 1 per week.

>

> What is this based on? This is a completely

> arbitrary figure.

>

>

> >

> >Eating anything that one does not digest creates

> the perfect slow

> >digestion environment for candida. In addition the

> fat in red meat

> >is converted into a toxin more of which candida

> sufferers DO NOT

> >NEED .

>

> Which toxin is that? Which red meat are you

> referring to? Factory farmed red

> meat fed toxic indigestible fodder, caged for life,

> and usually sickly? Or

> grass-fed in open pastures on high fertility soil,

> healthy red meat?

>

>

> Cavemen may have eaten meat, but that meat was not

> choc

> >full of hormones, antibiotics and pesticides for

> animal feed I'll

> >bet

>

> *Exactly*! But this is the first time in this post

> that you are *qualifying*

> which red meat you are talking about. Fortunately,

> this sub-optimal meat is

> not the only form of meat available to us! I agree

> 100% that it's generally

> crap and should be avoided if possible. However,

> there is much healthier

> meat available to us, thanks to small grass-based

> farms across the country.

> Meat is not *meat*. We need to qualify which type of

> meat we are talking

> about, as the differences are vast.

>

>

> . Also cavemen were not dealing with fillings in

> teeth, toxins

> >in the air, pollutants, processed foods, etc etc ,

> so the amount

> >of toxic load on there system was nonexistent.

>

> This last sentence is a myth. There were *plenty* of

> toxins in

> pre-industrial times including back in the cave man

> days. Including dioxins

> from forest fires and volcanos (the major sources

> today as well), mercury in

> large marine mammals and fish, natural toxins found

> in mostly plant foods,

> etc, etc.

>

> You cannot compare

> >undeveloped cavemen bodies with the bodies of us as

> evolved today.

> >Do you eat raw meat? Because cavemen did , but I'll

> bet we

> >wouldn't be feeling too good of you did.

>

> What's that based on? Lots of us modern folks eat

> raw meat and feel MUCH

> better as a result. I do. I find it easier to digest

> than cooked meat (as do

> many others), and of course the enzymes are not

> destroyed as with cooking,

> and vit. B6 and other heat-labile vitamins are not

> destroyed as they are in

> cooked. I dunno, eating raw meat and other raw

> animal foods (milk products)

> was a common chararcteristic of the extraordinarily

> health

> non-industrialized groups Price studied as well.

> It's the basis of the

> modern Primal Diet and other raw meat based modern

> diets. <shrug> As long as

> the meat's of reasonable quality, I don't worry

> about it.

>

>

> >

> >

> >In Emma's case, it is not about eating some whole

> grain brown rice

> >as a carb and feeding the yeast. it is more about

> the fact that

> >the red meat, undigested is doing way more harm

> than brown rice

> >would do.

>

> What damage is it doing? And how do you know it's

> doing more damage than the

> brown rice?

>

>

> One does need somewhat of a balanced diet to avoid

> some

> >of the nutrient deficiencies that occur with

> candida.

>

> One especially needs the foods that build and

> maintain physical health and

> vitality which means highly digestible proteins and

> fats. We have no dietary

> requirement for carbohydrates. Obviously, there's a

> reason for that.

>

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