Re: Hypochlorhydia, too little stomach acidity

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Duncan.

Maybe I should try Betaine HCL?

I am blood type A, which I have read tend to have low stomach acid in general.

Glad I stopped the Zegerid!

[Guest guest]

breaks links at the dash; here's an unbroken way to get to that

link:

http://tinyurl.com/r8a99

Duncan

> Full article:

>

> http://www.medical-

> library.net/sites/framer.html?/sites/_hypochlorhydria.html

>

[Guest guest]

Many people with chronic reflux have told me, " Duncan, from the very

first time I used betaine HCL with my meal I haven't had so much as a

burp! "

Mind you they got the dose right the first time. As Dr. Kennedy

pointed out, three to as high as TEN capsules may be required with a

meal.

It usually amounts to about four capsules with a dinner, three with a

lunch, and that depends on WHAT food. I don't like tablets either;

Kennedy points out that there is a powder too.

Duncan

>

> Thanks, Duncan.

>

> Maybe I should try Betaine HCL?

>

> I am blood type A, which I have read tend to have low stomach acid

in general. Glad I stopped the Zegerid!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

is there a certain dosage in the pills you're talking about? the naturopath

gave me the hcl and its activator in pill form but she says to open them both

and put them in some water... she says one of each is enough with each meal...i

don't have the bottle in front of me to see how much is in each pill....

thanks duncan!

shefy

Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

Many people with chronic reflux have told me, " Duncan, from the very

first time I used betaine HCL with my meal I haven't had so much as a

burp! "

Mind you they got the dose right the first time. As Dr. Kennedy

pointed out, three to as high as TEN capsules may be required with a

meal.

It usually amounts to about four capsules with a dinner, three with a

lunch, and that depends on WHAT food. I don't like tablets either;

Kennedy points out that there is a powder too.

Duncan

>

> Thanks, Duncan.

>

> Maybe I should try Betaine HCL?

>

> I am blood type A, which I have read tend to have low stomach acid

in general. Glad I stopped the Zegerid!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know about standardization, and one capsule is seldom enough,

as I and Dr. (an M.D.) have both pointed out; three or four

would be a bette start. If you don't take enough your next reflux

will be quite acidic and you will curse the naturopath.

By the way, what is the activator? This one is new to me.

Duncan

> >

> > Thanks, Duncan.

> >

> > Maybe I should try Betaine HCL?

> >

> > I am blood type A, which I have read tend to have low stomach

acid

> in general. Glad I stopped the Zegerid!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On 10/6/06, shefy gupta <shefy7@...> wrote:

> is there a certain dosage in the pills you're talking about? the naturopath

gave

>me the hcl and its activator in pill form but she says to open them

both and put

>them in some water... she says one of each is enough with each meal...i don't

>have the bottle in front of me to see how much is in each pill....

I use about 10 capsules of 650 mg betaine HCl per meal. I actually

find that 12 works better, but it's expensive. It depends on the size

of the meal and the food also.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

10!! wow...how long have you been taking it or have to take it for?

thanks

shefy

Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

On 10/6/06, shefy gupta <shefy7@...> wrote:

> is there a certain dosage in the pills you're talking about? the naturopath

gave

>me the hcl and its activator in pill form but she says to open them

both and put

>them in some water... she says one of each is enough with each meal...i don't

>have the bottle in front of me to see how much is in each pill....

I use about 10 capsules of 650 mg betaine HCl per meal. I actually

find that 12 works better, but it's expensive. It depends on the size

of the meal and the food also.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

hahahha i probably will curse her along with the pills...

here's the ingredeints in the activator:

Lycopene-based Potassium (tomato derived) - 13mg

Indian Turmeric (rhizome) (Curcuma longa), French Maritime Pine Bark Extract

(Pinus pinaster), Indian Coriander (leaf) (Coriander sativum), Chinese

Pesticide-free Royal Jelly (6%) Concentrate, Turkish Oregano (leaf) (Origanum

vulg.), Enzyme-Derived Sulfurophanes, Enzyme-Derived lsoflavones, Nattokinase

(derived from certified organic, nonGMO, fermented soy) - 520mg

and here's the link to the website:

http://www.phpure.com/nutrition_products/hcl_activator.htm

thanks

shefy

Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

I don't know about standardization, and one capsule is seldom enough,

as I and Dr. (an M.D.) have both pointed out; three or four

would be a bette start. If you don't take enough your next reflux

will be quite acidic and you will curse the naturopath.

By the way, what is the activator? This one is new to me.

Duncan

> >

> > Thanks, Duncan.

> >

> > Maybe I should try Betaine HCL?

> >

> > I am blood type A, which I have read tend to have low stomach

acid

> in general. Glad I stopped the Zegerid!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Shefy,

> 10!! wow...how long have you been taking it or have to take it for?

I've been taking it for over a year, but I've only recently moved up

from 6 to 10. I have not researched how to go about correcting the

root of my HCl deficiency, which I should probably make a priority,

considering the expense.

I find that if I eat a meal where the non-meat portion is made up

primarily of fibrous, low-carb vegetables, I need 12; if I eat a meal

where it is made of fruit or starch, I need 8-10. I don't think this

is so much the type of food as the fact that when I eat all low-carb

veggies I tend to eat a considerably larger portion of food, and I

think the need for HCl is mostly determined by the volume of food in a

meal.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

The para-detox claim I think amounts to a marketing snow job based on

observations from the 1930's. It also appears that this particular

program is not aimed increasing stomach acidity at all, thus the low

betaine HCl dose compared with the relatively high dose takes

(10-12 capsules).

What's more, I don't think HCl doesn't need " activation " . I'd like

to chime in if he will, but to my mind this program is not the

right tool for this job, useful though it could be as a tonic.

Here's a quote from that page:

Quantum HCL Activator contains a broad-spectrum, naturalsource

mineral-antioxidant complex for use with HCL (hydrochloric acid) to

liberate the deep cleansing, para-detox power of HCL to promote the

strengthening of the entire immune system and its extensive role in

whole body health* by dramatically enhancing methylation at the

cellular level and thereby dramatically upregulating cellular

detoxification.

Duncan

> ...ingredients:

>

> Lycopene-based Potassium (tomato derived) - 13mg

> Indian Turmeric (rhizome) (Curcuma longa), French Maritime Pine

Bark Extract (Pinus pinaster), Indian Coriander (leaf) (Coriander

sativum), Chinese Pesticide-free Royal Jelly (6%) Concentrate,

Turkish Oregano (leaf) (Origanum vulg.), Enzyme-Derived

Sulfurophanes, Enzyme-Derived lsoflavones, Nattokinase (derived from

certified organic, nonGMO, fermented soy) - 520mg

>

> and here's the link to the website:

http://www.phpure.com/nutrition_products/hcl_activator.htm

>

> thanks

> shefy

[Guest guest]

How would one determine they need to supplement with HCL?

Beverle

[Guest guest]

If you are prone to reflux it's a good bet that you'll benefit from

several caps of betaine HCl with meals. The vast majority of people

with GERD should be treating it with Betaine HCl.

This is a forever thing, a crutch, not a reversal of whatever causes

stomach acid secretion to drop with age.

Betaine HCl is also a methylator like the b-6 b-12 and folic acid

approach, meaning it recycles and thus mutes homocysteine, an

oxidative stress indicator pointing to atherosclerosis risk.

So, there's no waste

Duncan

>

> How would one determine they need to supplement with HCL?

> Beverle

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

> What's more, I don't think HCl doesn't need " activation " . I'd like

> to chime in if he will, but to my mind this program is not the

> right tool for this job, useful though it could be as a tonic.

After I read the page, I thought this made more sense than before the

page, because it becomes clear that their program has nothing

whatsoever to do with HCl and their activator has nothing whatsoever

to do with activating HCl. Why they call it an " HCl activator " is

beyond me and I sense that whoever chose to name the product had

nothing to do with its development and doesn't understand how any of

it works.

Their program is based on using the betaine portion of betaine HCl,

and the " activator " is based on enhancing the betaine's

methyl-donating properties.

If their activator actually works to accomplish this (I have no idea

one way or the other), then it is probably a great program for people

who have a deficiency of methylation. Of course, I'm pretty sure I

have THAT too, but it has nothing to do with stomach acidity.

Although, undermethylation combined with deficient stomach acidity is

probably a recipe for severe vitamin B12 deficiency, neurological

problems, and a need for liver and other food-source vitamin B12 plus

a methylcobalamin supplement plus an HCl supplement, and might explain

why I basically went psychotic when I was vegetarian.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 10/7/06, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> Although, undermethylation combined with deficient stomach acidity is

> probably a recipe for severe vitamin B12 deficiency,

I should clarify what I meant. There are two active forms of vitamin

B12: 5'-deoxyadenosylcobalamin (sometimes called dibencozide in

supplements), and methylcobalamin. The former is the predominant

vitamin form in the body, but the latter is also very important and is

necessary for the nervous system. If you have deficient stomach

acidity, you will not be sufficiently removing B12 from its associated

proteins in foods, and thus have a much higher need for it because

you'll absorb so little of it. It is not only only found in animal

products, but the only foods that are *really* high in it are organ

meats and some shellfish, so in the absence of these, there is only a

little in regular meats that most people eat.

But, if you have a deficiency methylating B12, then even if you are

getting methylcobalamin from foods, once you use the B12, you can't

efficiently recycle it, because you're back to the unmethylated form

each time you use the molecule for a reaction. Thus, you'd not only

need methylcobalamin, but a LOT of it.

Of course, if you're a vegetarian and taking cyanocobalamin

supplements, they will do absolutely NOTHING for you. Thus, when I

was vegetarian and taking loads of cyanocobalamin supplements, it

didn't stop me from having what I realized much later were probably

symptoms of severe vitamin B12 deficiency.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

" If you are prone to reflux it's a good bet that you'll benefit from

several caps of betaine HCl with meals. The vast majority of people

with GERD should be treating it with Betaine HCl. "

So if one doesn't experience reflux, GERD, etc. they probably done need it,

right?

Beverle

[Guest guest]

isn't fixing the candida problem supposed to help with acidity? That's a main

reason I'm

doing all this. I have horrible reflux into my throat all day everyday. I was

under the

impression that fixing these intestinal problems would help that.

greg

>

> Shefy,

>

> > 10!! wow...how long have you been taking it or have to take it for?

>

> I've been taking it for over a year, but I've only recently moved up

> from 6 to 10. I have not researched how to go about correcting the

> root of my HCl deficiency, which I should probably make a priority,

> considering the expense.

>

> I find that if I eat a meal where the non-meat portion is made up

> primarily of fibrous, low-carb vegetables, I need 12; if I eat a meal

> where it is made of fruit or starch, I need 8-10. I don't think this

> is so much the type of food as the fact that when I eat all low-carb

> veggies I tend to eat a considerably larger portion of food, and I

> think the need for HCl is mostly determined by the volume of food in a

> meal.

>

> Chris

> --

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>

[Guest guest]

I have to jump in on this one. Id like to describe my symptoms and

see what ya'll think;

I was *diagnosed* w/ candida by my DOM who pointed out that my tongue

was very yeasty, a week after a 7 day course of abx. I started the

diet, antifungals, prob's etc the following day, and have been

following Bee's diet since (2+mos). Prior to this I never had GI

symptoms, or any others for that matter.

Since starting I have had many yeast symptoms, but the one Im

interested in is this; Globus. Since the second week of staring the

regiment I have had the feeling of a pill stuck in my throat. I also

have a burning sensation in the back of my throat. The *pill* is

insode at the base of my throat (where the clavicals meet) and the

burning more toward the top, such that when I breath in through my

nose, the air burns where it enters.

I assumed that these feelings were/are yeast related; esophogeal

candida perhaps? However, in the past week I have started to have

stomach aches, mild heartburn, and lots of burping, not at all related

to when or what I eat (I havent changed anything in my diet). So this

has made me consider whether the lobus/burning are reflux related, and

then all these posts came up about hypochlorydia. Im going to see an

ENT, just to rule out the basics, but once they tell me everything is

normal , Im wondering if I should consider betaine hcl. Your

thoughts are much appreciated

jessica

>

>

> >

> > Shefy,

> >

> > > 10!! wow...how long have you been taking it or have to take it for?

> >

> > I've been taking it for over a year, but I've only recently moved up

> > from 6 to 10. I have not researched how to go about correcting the

> > root of my HCl deficiency, which I should probably make a priority,

> > considering the expense.

> >

> > I find that if I eat a meal where the non-meat portion is made up

> > primarily of fibrous, low-carb vegetables, I need 12; if I eat a meal

> > where it is made of fruit or starch, I need 8-10. I don't think this

> > is so much the type of food as the fact that when I eat all low-carb

> > veggies I tend to eat a considerably larger portion of food, and I

> > think the need for HCl is mostly determined by the volume of food in a

> > meal.

> >

> > Chris

> > --

> > The Truth About Cholesterol

> > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

> > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

On 10/7/06, BEVERLE SWEITZER <redbeverle1@...> wrote:

> " If you are prone to reflux it's a good bet that you'll benefit from

> several caps of betaine HCl with meals. The vast majority of people

> with GERD should be treating it with Betaine HCl. "

> So if one doesn't experience reflux, GERD, etc. they probably done need it,

right?

I wouldn't assume that. I never really had GERD, but I need a lot of HCl.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

>

> > Although, undermethylation combined with deficient stomach

acidity is

> > probably a recipe for severe vitamin B12 deficiency,

>

> I should clarify what I meant. There are two active forms of

vitamin

> B12: 5'-deoxyadenosylcobalamin (sometimes called dibencozide in

> supplements), and methylcobalamin. The former is the predominant

> vitamin form in the body, but the latter is also very important and

is

> necessary for the nervous system. If you have deficient stomach

> acidity, you will not be sufficiently removing B12 from its

associated

> proteins in foods, and thus have a much higher need for it because

> you'll absorb so little of it. It is not only only found in animal

> products, but the only foods that are *really* high in it are organ

> meats and some shellfish, so in the absence of these, there is only

a

> little in regular meats that most people eat.

>

> But, if you have a deficiency methylating B12, then even if you are

> getting methylcobalamin from foods, once you use the B12, you can't

> efficiently recycle it, because you're back to the unmethylated form

> each time you use the molecule for a reaction. Thus, you'd not only

> need methylcobalamin, but a LOT of it.

>

> Of course, if you're a vegetarian and taking cyanocobalamin

> supplements, they will do absolutely NOTHING for you. Thus, when I

> was vegetarian and taking loads of cyanocobalamin supplements, it

> didn't stop me from having what I realized much later were probably

> symptoms of severe vitamin B12 deficiency.

>

> Chris

> --

> The Truth About Cholesterol

> Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

> http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

>

Need an answer everything i eat make me (breath) smell like feces.

I generally do not burp or pass a lot of gas but, i started taking

hcl and notice burp a little over 4 times after eating. Salad or

vegetables me stink even a salad. I have started this diet over a

month now i and, i stink like crazy meat, bread, rice and, sugar did

this so cut them out for the past year but i still stink after

cutting out salad, vegetables. This problem started five yrs. ago

after having surgery and then returning to very horrible and

stresssssssssssssful situation. Can anyone tell why this is happening

to me i'm a hermit and have to plan to this when i think i don't

smell i also work but with shame i so embrass.

[Guest guest]

Affirmative

Duncan

>

> " If you are prone to reflux it's a good bet that you'll benefit from

> several caps of betaine HCl with meals. The vast majority of people

> with GERD should be treating it with Betaine HCl. "

>

> So if one doesn't experience reflux, GERD, etc. they probably done

need it, right?

> Beverle

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Shefy,

> >

> > > 10!! wow...how long have you been taking it or have to take it

for?

> >

> > I've been taking it for over a year, but I've only recently moved

up

> > from 6 to 10. I have not researched how to go about correcting

the

> > root of my HCl deficiency, which I should probably make a

priority,

> > considering the expense.

> >

> > I find that if I eat a meal where the non-meat portion is made up

> > primarily of fibrous, low-carb vegetables, I need 12; if I eat a

meal

> > where it is made of fruit or starch, I need 8-10. I don't think

this

> > is so much the type of food as the fact that when I eat all low-

carb

> > veggies I tend to eat a considerably larger portion of food, and I

> > think the need for HCl is mostly determined by the volume of food

in a

> > meal.

> >

> > Chris

> > --

> > The Truth About Cholesterol

> > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

> > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > Although, undermethylation combined with deficient stomach

acidity is

> > probably a recipe for severe vitamin B12 deficiency,

>

> I should clarify what I meant. There are two active forms of

vitamin

> B12: 5'-deoxyadenosylcobalamin (sometimes called dibencozide in

> supplements), and methylcobalamin. The former is the predominant

> vitamin form in the body, but the latter is also very important and

is

> necessary for the nervous system. If you have deficient stomach

> acidity, you will not be sufficiently removing B12 from its

associated

> proteins in foods, and thus have a much higher need for it because

> you'll absorb so little of it. It is not only only found in animal

> products, but the only foods that are *really* high in it are organ

> meats and some shellfish, so in the absence of these, there is only

a

> little in regular meats that most people eat.

>

> But, if you have a deficiency methylating B12, then even if you are

> getting methylcobalamin from foods, once you use the B12, you can't

> efficiently recycle it, because you're back to the unmethylated form

> each time you use the molecule for a reaction. Thus, you'd not only

> need methylcobalamin, but a LOT of it.

>

> Of course, if you're a vegetarian and taking cyanocobalamin

> supplements, they will do absolutely NOTHING for you. Thus, when I

> was vegetarian and taking loads of cyanocobalamin supplements, it

> didn't stop me from having what I realized much later were probably

> symptoms of severe vitamin B12 deficiency.

>

> Chris

> --

> The Truth About Cholesterol

> Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

> http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

>

Hello Mr its Loren again is there a test to figure out

deficiencies. It sought of ring a bell be B12 i was told is

neccessay for digest but i still a bit confuse on where to start.

[Guest guest]

There are two active forms of vitamin

> B12: 5'-deoxyadenosylcobalamin (sometimes called dibencozide in

> supplements), and methylcobalamin. The former is the predominant

> vitamin form in the body, but the latter is also very important

Hi

I'm new to the group but would really apreciate some advice

regarding the above. I was diagnosed several years ago with

pernicious ameamia. I was told I lacked intrinsic factor which meant

no matter how much B12 I took orally the body could not use it.

Therefore I get injections every two months. I get 1000mcg

hydroxocobalamin. Recently, despite this, many of my symptoms have

returned, in fact some of them are worse.

I would really appreciate your comments on whether what I'm getting

provides the type of B12 neeeded or any suggestions. I've seen

sublingual methylcobalamin advertised. Do you know if I'd be able to

absorb this and would it be safe to take on top of my injections?

Any thoughts would be gratefully appreciated.

Kirsteen

[Guest guest]

Loren,

> Hello Mr its Loren again is there a test to figure out

> deficiencies. It sought of ring a bell be B12 i was told is

> neccessay for digest but i still a bit confuse on where to start.

You can test either your HCl or your B12 level. You can ask your

doctor about the tests. It is also pretty safe to try supplementing

with either or both of them and see if you get good results.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

>

> Loren,

>

> > Hello Mr its Loren again is there a test to figure out

> > deficiencies. It sought of ring a bell be B12 i was told is

> > neccessay for digest but i still a bit confuse on where to start.

>

> You can test either your HCl or your B12 level. You can ask your

> doctor about the tests. It is also pretty safe to try supplementing

> with either or both of them and see if you get good results.

>

> Chris

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> The Truth About Cholesterol

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>

Thankyou Mr. i may ask some dumbed question because, odour has

made my life a living hell so i very confuse, depress and, very

desperate.