Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Pasteur supposedly stated in his death bed that Bechamp was right, " The Terrain Is Everything " . Autrey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > Posted by: " Patti Cassalia " pcassalia@... patticass > > Date: Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:54 pm (PDT) > > > > Interesting info, Duncan. I can now see why while someone is healing > > their gut and trying to kill a candida overgrowth they would want to > > avoid vinegar (vinegar contains some candida. But then it make sense > > that once you have everything under control you can safely add it back > > in. > > > > Patti > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 > On 9/25/06, rpautrey2 <rpautrey2@...> wrote: > > Pasteur supposedly stated in his death bed that Bechamp was > > right, " The Terrain Is Everything " The relevance of that admission had to do with the fact that Bechamps and Pasteur were rivals. Bechamps had a noted CV and was an accomplished scientist. Pasteur was more of a politician, however, and so was able to influence those in power that his views were correct. You're right Chris...we'll never know what Pasteur said on his deathbed and giving him credit for that admission only makes him seem smarter. -Lori > > > I suspect this is about as credible an historical claim as Darwin > admitting evolution was false on his deathbed. > > Even if Pastuer said that, who cares? What impact would it have on > science? Pasteur's opinion about the relative importance of the > microbe and the terrain has no bearing on the *actual* relative > importance of these two factors. > > Chris > -- > The Truth About Cholesterol > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 You are missing the point. The terrain is the condition of the host. Why do some people catch the flu from a carrier and others exposed to that same carrier do not(etc.)? This also applies to other contagious diseases. The terrain is everything and it is not just flora. Autrey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Pasteur supposedly stated in his death bed that Bechamp was > > right, " The Terrain Is Everything " > > I suspect this is about as credible an historical claim as Darwin > admitting evolution was false on his deathbed. > > Even if Pastuer said that, who cares? What impact would it have on > science? Pasteur's opinion about the relative importance of the > microbe and the terrain has no bearing on the *actual* relative > importance of these two factors. > > Chris > -- > The Truth About Cholesterol > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 I agree with you. My original post was referring to what Pasteur " supposedly " said in his deathbed. I am still convinced that a " perfect terrain " gives the immune system and other healing systems of the body the power to inactivate or cure pathogenic diseases without any type of intervention. I am sure there are exceptions, I can think of a few worst case scenarios. The problem is, how do you create a perfect terrain? Naturopathy? Autrey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In candidiasis , " Masterjohn " <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote: > > , > > > You are missing the point. The terrain is the condition of the host. > > Why do some people catch the flu from a carrier and others exposed to > > that same carrier do not(etc.)? > > I find it hard to believe I missed that point, since I wrote: > > " not all people/animals contract an illness > or contract it with the same severity who have equivalent exposure to > a given microbe. " > > > This also applies to other contagious > > diseases. The terrain is everything and it is not just flora. > > The idea that the terrain is *everything* is ridiculous, because, as I said: > > " different microbes can be used > to produce qualitatively different diseases in people or animals with > equivalent terrain. " > > The microbe and the terrain are both important. Both the statement > " the microbe is everything; the terrain is nothing " and the statement > " the microbe is nothing; the terrain is everything " are equally false > and unreasonable. > > Chris > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Just to let the group know, Autrey claimed on the group that he was " attacked " for his view on this thread. Masterjohn in fact mounted no attack, by any strech of the imagination. In fact it's not his style at all; what you two had was simply a discussion of the validity of a supposed deathbed comment. I would like to know what motivated you to try and score pity points on another group using a fabricated story. Duncan Crow > > I agree with you. My original post was referring to what > > Pasteur " supposedly " said in his deathbed. I am still convinced that > > a " perfect terrain " gives the immune system and other healing systems > > of the body the power to inactivate or cure pathogenic diseases > > without any type of intervention. I am sure there are exceptions, I > > can think of a few worst case scenarios. The problem is, how do you > > create a perfect terrain? Naturopathy? Autrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 It was not just this group that I mentioned the supposed Pasteur quote. Some agreed and some disagreed. It was the quote before Chris's in this group. Autrey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- In candidiasis , " Duncan Crow " <duncancrow@...> wrote: > > Just to let the group know, Autrey claimed on the > group that he was " attacked " for his view on this thread. > > Masterjohn in fact mounted no attack, by any strech of the > imagination. In fact it's not his style at all; what you two had was > simply a discussion of the validity of a supposed deathbed comment. > > I would like to know what motivated you to try and score pity > points on another group using a fabricated story. > > Duncan Crow > > > > > I agree with you. My original post was referring to what > > > Pasteur " supposedly " said in his deathbed. I am still convinced > that > > > a " perfect terrain " gives the immune system and other healing > systems > > > of the body the power to inactivate or cure pathogenic diseases > > > without any type of intervention. I am sure there are exceptions, > I > > > can think of a few worst case scenarios. The problem is, how do > you > > > create a perfect terrain? Naturopathy? Autrey > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 So noted ; my apologies the motives quesion.. Duncan > > > > I agree with you. My original post was referring to what > > > > Pasteur " supposedly " said in his deathbed. I am still convinced > > that > > > > a " perfect terrain " gives the immune system and other healing > > systems > > > > of the body the power to inactivate or cure pathogenic diseases > > > > without any type of intervention. I am sure there are > exceptions, > > I > > > > can think of a few worst case scenarios. The problem is, how do > > you > > > > create a perfect terrain? Naturopathy? Autrey > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 I want to stress that I stated Pasteur " supposedly " said " The terrain is everything " . Whether he said it or not, I believe it. Autrey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > Pasteur supposedly stated in his death bed that Bechamp was > >> > right, " The Terrain Is Everything " > > > http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/pasteur.htm > > Here is what Pasteur's biographer, one with a real name, had to say: > > The last week in September he was no longer strong enough to leave his bed, his > weakness was extreme. On September 27, as he was offered a cup of milk: " I > cannot, " he murmured; his eyes looked around him with an unspeakable expression > of resignation, love and farewell. His head fell back on the pillows and he > slept; but, after this delusive rest, suddenly came the gaspings of agony. For > twenty-four hours he remained motionless, his eyes closed, his body almost > entirely paralyzed; one of his hands rested in that of Mme. Pasteur, the other > held a crucifix. > > This, surrounded by his family and disciples, in this room of almost monastic > simplicity, on Saturday, September 28, 1895, at 4:40 in the afternoon, very > peacefully, he passed away. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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