Re: Caffeine Beverage pH Effects

[Guest guest]

Duncan, that was a well stated summary of the effects of intestinal

pH on candida. I have also read that tea and coffee specifically kill

Lactobacillus acidophilus by being more acidic than the environment

that L. acidophilus creates and the damage begins in the stomach.

Coffee and tea also have other antibiotic properties. Some species of

lactobacillus are also found in the mouth. Autrey

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> smkahoo,

> > Candidia is suppressed by acidity, and a candida fluorish in the

> gut requires that bowel acidity is insufficient to keep numbers

> down.

>

> Further, a healthy non-dysbiosis bowel ecology is inherently too

> acidic for candida, and in dysbiosis the pH rises enough that

> candida can fluorish.

>

> The overuse of antibiotics kills probiotic orgaims, and this

> prevents bowel pH from being acidic enough to suppress candida or

> other germs that nomally would be suppressed. Dysbiosis, which

> only means the wrong bacterial count, is the result.

>

> Thus, candida is the result, not the cause, of dysbiosis.

>

> Duncan

[Guest guest]

I find it highly likely that coffee and tea would harm flora. So far

much of what I have found states that it does. Coffee and tea also

kill microorganisms with tannins and caffeine. I will continue to

research the subject. Everytime I have ever beat intestinal dysbiosis

(candida?) I was either not drinking coffee or tea, I quit them, or I

had to quit them. I just recently had to quit. Many anti-candida

protocols recommend caffeine beverages not to be used. Why?

Autrey

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> > >

> > > smkahoo,

> > > > Candidia is suppressed by acidity, and a candida fluorish in

> the

> > > gut requires that bowel acidity is insufficient to keep numbers

> > > down.

> > >

> > > Further, a healthy non-dysbiosis bowel ecology is inherently

too

> > > acidic for candida, and in dysbiosis the pH rises enough that

> > > candida can fluorish.

> > >

> > > The overuse of antibiotics kills probiotic orgaims, and this

> > > prevents bowel pH from being acidic enough to suppress candida

or

> > > other germs that nomally would be suppressed. Dysbiosis, which

> > > only means the wrong bacterial count, is the result.

> > >

> > > Thus, candida is the result, not the cause, of dysbiosis.

> > >

> > > Duncan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I find it highly likely that coffee and tea would harm flora. So far

> much of what I have found states that it does. Coffee and tea also

> kill microorganisms with tannins and caffeine. I will continue to

> research the subject. Everytime I have ever beat intestinal dysbiosis

> (candida?) I was either not drinking coffee or tea, I quit them, or I

> had to quit them. I just recently had to quit. Many anti-candida

> protocols recommend caffeine beverages not to be used. Why?

> Autrey

I agree, everything I have come across suggests that it is the

caffeine that is harmful. However I have read different claims as to

why it's bad for candidiasis, varying from stressing the adrenals and

weakening the immune system to feeding candida to killing good flora.

I quit caffeine about a month ago, but I really miss the stuff:\.

greg

[Guest guest]

, here's the rather negative response I wrote in reply to your

statement that tea kills probiotics posted on electroherbalism:

A Pubmed search on (tea lactobacillus NOT tree) turned up a

couple of test tube studies using extracts on specific strains of

lactobacillus. One hit on (tea bifidobacterium NOT tree) was

duplicated by the above.

The two studies do not represent the real world for two reasons:

different strains have different characteristics of both growth and

inhibition; they were in-vitro (test tube) studies.

The one hit on both probiotic bacteria did point out that

" dietary polyphenols are not completely absorbed from the

gastrointestinal tract " but the in-vitro study did not determine how

much effect if any this might have in humans.

In other words, a tea 'extract' derived in a laboratory may and

does show antibiotic activity on lactobacillus AC413 in a test

tube....

.... but it's premature to say that the tea you drink 'has' either

antibiotic property or the concentration required to do it in the

natural conditions of the bowel, likely as it may be.

We bust many candida myth on this list; why are any of the myths part

of candida diets? I don't know; we just reveal the guesses as such,

that's all.

Duncan Crow

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> I find it highly likely that coffee and tea would harm flora. So

far

> much of what I have found states that it does. Coffee and tea also

> kill microorganisms with tannins and caffeine. I will continue to

> research the subject. Everytime I have ever beat intestinal

dysbiosis

> (candida?) I was either not drinking coffee or tea, I quit them, or

I

> had to quit them. I just recently had to quit. Many anti-candida

> protocols recommend caffeine beverages not to be used. Why?

> Autrey

[Guest guest]

I can't touch caffeine. It gives me the most awful headaches, and has

done for most of my life. It may not do that much harm to candida, but

I wouldn't suggest it to someone who wants to be healthy. It does all

kinds of horrible things to your body - like stimulate the production of

the stress hormones.

Keen

Re: Caffeine Beverage pH Effects

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> I find it highly likely that coffee and tea would harm flora. So far

> much of what I have found states that it does. Coffee and tea also

> kill microorganisms with tannins and caffeine. I will continue to

> research the subject. Everytime I have ever beat intestinal dysbiosis

> (candida?) I was either not drinking coffee or tea, I quit them, or I

> had to quit them. I just recently had to quit. Many anti-candida

> protocols recommend caffeine beverages not to be used. Why?

> Autrey

I agree, everything I have come across suggests that it is the

caffeine that is harmful. However I have read different claims as to

why it's bad for candidiasis, varying from stressing the adrenals and

weakening the immune system to feeding candida to killing good flora.

I quit caffeine about a month ago, but I really miss the stuff:\.

greg