Re: hi i'm new :-) and i've written a way too long email (sorry!)

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

Quick reply - I'm famous for sleeping 16 hours a time!

Thanks for your story - was wondering if it could

really be candida that made me feel this ill, and

reading what you've written has clarified things for

me. Do you really think eating fruit is that bad? I

stopped eating it for a couple of months, but then

started again when my chinese medicine doctor told me

I was developing scurvy...!

I hate being ill sooooooooooooooooo much!

Best wishes,

Jane

--- hoodedclawjen <hoodedclawjen@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

i just got a nice email telling me i should introduce

myself and say

something about my candida history, so i guess i'm

doing that now...

apologies for how long it is- i waffle. i'm jennifer,

i'm 25 and from

england, but currently staying in canada. i was

diagnosed with

candida by a kinesiologist (sp?) when i was 14, after

my mother in

desperation paid for me to see him, having found that

my GP and the

british medical profession offered her confusing,

vague, and minimal

answers to why i persistantly felt ill with a range of

symptoms that

they couldnt make any better. my problems seemed to

begin with my

going into an anyphilactic response aged 2 while

eating a hotdog. my

doctor at this point told my mother not to give me any

meat or fish

products ever again, but offered no testing, any

reason for this

happening, or treatment plan. so my family went

vegetarian on the

spot, and we still are. i started being treated for

reaccurring sinus

pain and ear, nose and throat infections at the age of

3 until i was

11 (at which point i gave up and just stopped going to

this doctor!),

with repeated doses of various antibiotics (in high

doses which even

my doctor admitted he shouldnt be giving to me!) i

always had a

blocked and/or runny nose, banging headache, itchy

eyes, and flu

symptoms and couldnt focus. at the age of 11 i took

the last dose of

antibiotics i've ever taken, and had a sudden weight

gain of about

40lb over 3 months, and from then on, i suffered from

crippling pains

in my stomach, along with impressive bloating and

wind, whenever i

ate anything. i'd wake up in the morning, have toast

and milky hot

chocolate for breakfast, walk to school, and an hour

later be

staggering home in tears looking like i was six months

pregnant and

in a lot of pain. switching doctors at this point (my

old doctor did

no tests, said to take an indigestion remedy, then had

the audacity

to write on my notes that there was nothing wrong with

me, and that

my mother was hysterical and may have munchousens by

proxy!) with the

help of my new doctor i was diagnosed with allergic

rhinitis as far

as my runny nose was concerned, sent to an allergy

speciallist whos

scratch tests showed up iGg reactions to all the

pollens, moulds,

spores, pretty much any kind of animal hair, dust,

mites, and

everything on his list but the foods. the only food

type i reacted to

was brewers yeast, to which he commented... 'just

don't drink home

brewed beer when you get older dear'. he gave me

antihystamines and

nasal steriods (which i have got down to a very low

dose, but STILL

can't get off without feeling like i have flu even

though i know

they're not doing me any good physically) and said

that in no way

could my symptoms be related to anything i was eating,

even though i

knew that when i didnt eat, my stomach didnt hurt, and

if i went near

any msg, i was hyper like a 3 year old with a big bag

of red candy

then collapsed in tears 10 minutes later! from then on

my well

meaning and full of ideas new family doctor who

thought it was either

IBS or stress (that i was hyperventilating and

breathing in air!?!),

prescribed me antispasmodics, peppermint oil, silica

crystals to

swallow before i ate, and all kinda of weird things

for my stomach,

which obviously didnt help. i developed acne (which at

25 i still

have!) and severe depression, then was started on a

cycle of various

high dose antidepressants that i have only just

managed to get off of

6 months ago- after realising that i wasnt depressed,

just emotional,

miserable, tired and ill. at 14, in desperation, i

saw the

kinesiologist, who diagnosed my candida, and along

with explaining

and clarifying my food intollerances, told me that i

had very bad

reactions to wheat, yeast, sugar, dairy, and all meat

proteins... and

that this was mainly caused by the candida causing

leaky gut, but

that i had probably been intollerant to milk and meat

from birth ( we

never ate meat much in my family anyway as it makes my

father very

ill, and almost all of my mothers family have a lot of

food

allergies, and dairy gives my mother flu symptoms

too). i started his

regime, with acidopolis and vitamins and no fermented

or sugar based

things unable to work out a workable diet of 'safe '

foods, i was in

tears for days from the lack of pretty much anything

pre-prepared or

in a packet in in the supermarket, and my beloved

dairy... and after

about a week, in my foolishness i selectively

'forgot' what i was

meant to be avoiding, focused on the not eating dairy,

and while my

nose cleared up somewhat from this, my denial, and

living on

antidepressants, black coffee with a load of sugar,

supernoodles and

ketchup, potato chips and chainsmoking through my

teens meant

my 'home made and selective' candida diet didnt do me

any good, and

unsuprisingly, i've felt pretty lousy ever since! when

i was 16 a

slightly more sympathetic doctor at my surgery

considered that i may

be right in my candida theory, and let me self repeat

a script for

nystatin tablets, which i used on and off, but the

pain and bloating

always came back when i stopped using it (which i

assume is down to

the damned sugar encouraging it back, and the candida

being all over

my body not just where the tablets get to!). over the

last few years,

i've bit by bit managed to cut out wheat, all kinds of

yeast,

alcohol, eggs (eating an egg makes my head bang within

minutes) and

mushrooms, and quit smoking , but until this year

never cut the sugar

out. in march i started reading up and researching on

how to get

myself better properly, bought some threelac, went on

a no sugar no

fruit mission, lost 15lb in a month, and felt a lot

better in the

tummy region, although still always feeling very tired

and like i was

drugged and made of lead generally( i am renouned for

my ability to

sleep for 18 hours without waking and still be

tired!). then a few

months ago i came to canada, convinced myself that i

was 'cured', cut

back to 1 threelac a day, and discovered vegan

chocolate chocolate

chip peanut butter icecream and all the other

wonderful vegan and

wheat feee versions of foods that exist here, and

started eating way

too much sugar, and low and behold, within a month i

was back to

square one with crippling pain, bloating, crying,

emotional

randomness, exhaustion, and a banging headache and

sinus pain that i

wake up with every morning, and which takes till

bedtime to clear!

i've been back off the sugar and fruit for a month

now, still on 3

sachets of threelac a day, and am not making much

progress.... my

stomach doesnt hurt much, but i'm getting sick and

tired of sleeping

for 12 hours a night, lying on the couch with a killer

headache and

sinus pain all day, of feeling like a guilty lazy

layabout, and of

generally just feeling sick and tired. i feel

desperate to do

something about this once and for all. i'm currently

not eating any

sugars, fruits, wheat, yeasts, mushrooms, vinegars,

dairy, or meat

(if i eat any meat products i still get very sick and

start getting a

frighteningly fast allergic reaction- even when i

don't know its

there)i'm trying to remain positive- there seem to be

lots of people

in this group who are way worse off than me- i can

just about

function day to day with enough sleep and have managed

to hold down

part time jobs for the past 8 years. i'm very lucky to

have such a

supportive boyfriend and family, and to be in a

country with so many

alternatives to meat and milk and wheat and can even

have stevia ( my

new favourite thing!- it's illegal in europe).. i'm

here looking for

more things to try, receipes, and a chance to kick

this for good.

i'll stay off sugar and everything else forever if i

have to- i'd

even volunteer to be drip fed for life if they'd do

it- i just want

to feel well again- it'd be worth it- i can't ever

remember

feeling 'ok'- or like today wasnt going to be another

struggle, and

that i could do with just a few more hours sleep. i am

so angry at

this thing, and tired of being told that maybe i have

an eating

disorder, that its in my head, and of trying to

explain to people why

i'm only having a glass of water with a slice of

lemon, and a side

salad at the restaurant, again, and knowing they're

thinking i'm nuts

and asking each other 'why is she 188 lb if she just

eats salads?'.

i'll stop now before i start complaining any more....

and ask a quick

question- has anyone used citrocidal (grapeseed

extract), and does it

really work as well as nystatin? i'm loathed to get

back onto

nystatin again if citricidal works just as well.

[Guest guest]

Hi!

You should take a look at the curezone site and s Moritz's cleanses and

flushes. They have helped a great deal. It still takes time but it's been well

worth it.

I tried the grapefruit seed extract but didn't really find that for me it did

much.

I changed my diet and included lots of fresh vegetables, lean meats ( obviously

you can't eat that), low carbs and if I ate a carb I tried my best to make it as

complex as possible. No sugars, some organic foodstuffs when I could afford to

shop that way. Nothing processed. Which was probably more difficult to do than

cutting sugar as I'm a bit of a lazy cook at times. No dairy except organic

yogurt with bacterial cultures and Kefir. (you can make a kefir that doesn't

have to be dairy based) Have a look at Dom's Kefirs Site (do a google search of

that name. There's loads of Kefir info there and lots of people in this group

have lots of info on it as well. I ate loads of raw garlic and onions.

I started cleansing my bowels/colon and worked my way up from there. Kidney

cleanse and then the liver cleanses/flushes. It's taken the better part of 2

years to be almost completely well. The only supplements I take are a

multivitamin, extra vitamin C, cranberry tablets (I was getting bladder

trouble), and cod liver oil. I also take a mild antihistamine for intercystal

cystitis (sp?) (bladder condition due to all the infections) and for whatever

reason it stops the symptoms of that. Oh and I take metamucil every day for the

extra fiber and to make sure I keep stuff moving. You should check your

tolerance for psyllium before trying that.

There will be lots of opinions and products tossed at you and it will get

confusing.

Read G's story in the files section and the stuff posted from Bee and

that'll give you a good place to start.

Cheers

Sue

hoodedclawjen <hoodedclawjen@...> wrote:

i just got a nice email telling me i should introduce myself and say

something about my candida history, so i guess i'm doing that now...

apologies for how long it is- i waffle. i'm jennifer, i'm 25 and from

england, but currently staying in canada. i was diagnosed with

candida by a kinesiologist (sp?) when i was 14, after my mother in

desperation paid for me to see him, having found that my GP and the

british medical profession offered her confusing, vague, and minimal

answers to why i persistantly felt ill with a range of symptoms that

they couldnt make any better. my problems seemed to begin with my

going into an anyphilactic response aged 2 while eating a hotdog. my

doctor at this point told my mother not to give me any meat or fish

products ever again, but offered no testing, any reason for this

happening, or treatment plan. so my family went vegetarian on the

spot, and we still are. i started being treated for reaccurring sinus

pain and ear, nose and throat infections at the age of 3 until i was

11 (at which point i gave up and just stopped going to this doctor!),

with repeated doses of various antibiotics (in high doses which even

my doctor admitted he shouldnt be giving to me!) i always had a

blocked and/or runny nose, banging headache, itchy eyes, and flu

symptoms and couldnt focus. at the age of 11 i took the last dose of

antibiotics i've ever taken, and had a sudden weight gain of about

40lb over 3 months, and from then on, i suffered from crippling pains

in my stomach, along with impressive bloating and wind, whenever i

ate anything. i'd wake up in the morning, have toast and milky hot

chocolate for breakfast, walk to school, and an hour later be

staggering home in tears looking like i was six months pregnant and

in a lot of pain. switching doctors at this point (my old doctor did

no tests, said to take an indigestion remedy, then had the audacity

to write on my notes that there was nothing wrong with me, and that

my mother was hysterical and may have munchousens by proxy!) with the

help of my new doctor i was diagnosed with allergic rhinitis as far

as my runny nose was concerned, sent to an allergy speciallist whos

scratch tests showed up iGg reactions to all the pollens, moulds,

spores, pretty much any kind of animal hair, dust, mites, and

everything on his list but the foods. the only food type i reacted to

was brewers yeast, to which he commented... 'just don't drink home

brewed beer when you get older dear'. he gave me antihystamines and

nasal steriods (which i have got down to a very low dose, but STILL

can't get off without feeling like i have flu even though i know

they're not doing me any good physically) and said that in no way

could my symptoms be related to anything i was eating, even though i

knew that when i didnt eat, my stomach didnt hurt, and if i went near

any msg, i was hyper like a 3 year old with a big bag of red candy

then collapsed in tears 10 minutes later! from then on my well

meaning and full of ideas new family doctor who thought it was either

IBS or stress (that i was hyperventilating and breathing in air!?!),

prescribed me antispasmodics, peppermint oil, silica crystals to

swallow before i ate, and all kinda of weird things for my stomach,

which obviously didnt help. i developed acne (which at 25 i still

have!) and severe depression, then was started on a cycle of various

high dose antidepressants that i have only just managed to get off of

6 months ago- after realising that i wasnt depressed, just emotional,

miserable, tired and ill. at 14, in desperation, i saw the

kinesiologist, who diagnosed my candida, and along with explaining

and clarifying my food intollerances, told me that i had very bad

reactions to wheat, yeast, sugar, dairy, and all meat proteins... and

that this was mainly caused by the candida causing leaky gut, but

that i had probably been intollerant to milk and meat from birth ( we

never ate meat much in my family anyway as it makes my father very

ill, and almost all of my mothers family have a lot of food

allergies, and dairy gives my mother flu symptoms too). i started his

regime, with acidopolis and vitamins and no fermented or sugar based

things unable to work out a workable diet of 'safe ' foods, i was in

tears for days from the lack of pretty much anything pre-prepared or

in a packet in in the supermarket, and my beloved dairy... and after

about a week, in my foolishness i selectively 'forgot' what i was

meant to be avoiding, focused on the not eating dairy, and while my

nose cleared up somewhat from this, my denial, and living on

antidepressants, black coffee with a load of sugar, supernoodles and

ketchup, potato chips and chainsmoking through my teens meant

my 'home made and selective' candida diet didnt do me any good, and

unsuprisingly, i've felt pretty lousy ever since! when i was 16 a

slightly more sympathetic doctor at my surgery considered that i may

be right in my candida theory, and let me self repeat a script for

nystatin tablets, which i used on and off, but the pain and bloating

always came back when i stopped using it (which i assume is down to

the damned sugar encouraging it back, and the candida being all over

my body not just where the tablets get to!). over the last few years,

i've bit by bit managed to cut out wheat, all kinds of yeast,

alcohol, eggs (eating an egg makes my head bang within minutes) and

mushrooms, and quit smoking , but until this year never cut the sugar

out. in march i started reading up and researching on how to get

myself better properly, bought some threelac, went on a no sugar no

fruit mission, lost 15lb in a month, and felt a lot better in the

tummy region, although still always feeling very tired and like i was

drugged and made of lead generally( i am renouned for my ability to

sleep for 18 hours without waking and still be tired!). then a few

months ago i came to canada, convinced myself that i was 'cured', cut

back to 1 threelac a day, and discovered vegan chocolate chocolate

chip peanut butter icecream and all the other wonderful vegan and

wheat feee versions of foods that exist here, and started eating way

too much sugar, and low and behold, within a month i was back to

square one with crippling pain, bloating, crying, emotional

randomness, exhaustion, and a banging headache and sinus pain that i

wake up with every morning, and which takes till bedtime to clear!

i've been back off the sugar and fruit for a month now, still on 3

sachets of threelac a day, and am not making much progress.... my

stomach doesnt hurt much, but i'm getting sick and tired of sleeping

for 12 hours a night, lying on the couch with a killer headache and

sinus pain all day, of feeling like a guilty lazy layabout, and of

generally just feeling sick and tired. i feel desperate to do

something about this once and for all. i'm currently not eating any

sugars, fruits, wheat, yeasts, mushrooms, vinegars, dairy, or meat

(if i eat any meat products i still get very sick and start getting a

frighteningly fast allergic reaction- even when i don't know its

there)i'm trying to remain positive- there seem to be lots of people

in this group who are way worse off than me- i can just about

function day to day with enough sleep and have managed to hold down

part time jobs for the past 8 years. i'm very lucky to have such a

supportive boyfriend and family, and to be in a country with so many

alternatives to meat and milk and wheat and can even have stevia ( my

new favourite thing!- it's illegal in europe).. i'm here looking for

more things to try, receipes, and a chance to kick this for good.

i'll stay off sugar and everything else forever if i have to- i'd

even volunteer to be drip fed for life if they'd do it- i just want

to feel well again- it'd be worth it- i can't ever remember

feeling 'ok'- or like today wasnt going to be another struggle, and

that i could do with just a few more hours sleep. i am so angry at

this thing, and tired of being told that maybe i have an eating

disorder, that its in my head, and of trying to explain to people why

i'm only having a glass of water with a slice of lemon, and a side

salad at the restaurant, again, and knowing they're thinking i'm nuts

and asking each other 'why is she 188 lb if she just eats salads?'.

i'll stop now before i start complaining any more.... and ask a quick

question- has anyone used citrocidal (grapeseed extract), and does it

really work as well as nystatin? i'm loathed to get back onto

nystatin again if citricidal works just as well.

[Guest guest]

You can eat limes for the vitamins C, and they are good in combating Candida

-- Re: hi i'm new :-) and i've written a way too long

email (sorry!)

Hi there,

Quick reply - I'm famous for sleeping 16 hours a time!

Thanks for your story - was wondering if it could

really be candida that made me feel this ill, and

reading what you've written has clarified things for

me. Do you really think eating fruit is that bad? I

stopped eating it for a couple of months, but then

started again when my chinese medicine doctor told me

I was developing scurvy...!

I hate being ill sooooooooooooooooo much!

Best wishes,

Jane

[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ]On

>Behalf Of hoodedclawjen

>

>

>i just got a nice email telling me i should introduce myself and say

>something about my candida history, so i guess i'm doing that now...

Hi hoodedclawjen,

Everything you've said here is absolutely classical IgA reaction to gluten.

From the early ear aches, to the acne to the depression to the candida to

the bloating and so on. There is a nearly identical protein in candida and

gluten, so sometimes the immune system mistakes one for the other, and if

one is seen as an invading microbe, like candida, then the body will attack

other similar molecules with a very similar protein sequence. This is why

candida and IgA gluten allergies are often connected. And they also are

often connected to intolerance to the other most common allergens - cow's

milk, soy, corn and yeast. I'd bet my last dollar you have at least one of

the Celiac genes and have a very bad case of Celiac, or at least advanced

gluten sensitivity (not merely an IgG reaction to wheat). You say you are

off wheat, but what about rye and barley, both of which contain gluten

proteins? And do you know if you are getting gluten contamination in any of

your other foods (which is *extremely* common)? It's so often an ingredient

in processed foods in the US but doesn't have to be included on the label, I

wonder if Canada is the same? Are you eating any grains at all?

Several suggestions come to mind:

1. Strict avoidance of all gluten, this means not eating anything processed

in a facility that processes gluten grains

2. Consider the SCD (Specific Carbohydrate Diet). This seems to have helped

many folks who did not completely heal on restricting allergenic foods.

Largely, I think, because food allergies disrupt normal carbohydrate

digestion

3. High enemas to clean out your colon

4. Continue with the Threelac, but if that doesn't seem to help try

switching to another probiotic. Threelac contains sugars, I think, which

seem to make me gassy.

5. Prayer

6. Optimism

7. Love

8. Join this list (Gluten Free Casein Free Native Nutrtion)

GFCFNN/

You are experiencing a lot of what other list members experience and the

level of knowledge on that list is phenomenal. I sincerely believe they can

help you. (Not that this list can't but I think the collective knowledge of

both lists would be of tremendous benefit)

I wish you the best :-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

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heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

On 9/23/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> 4. Continue with the Threelac, but if that doesn't seem to help try

> switching to another probiotic. Threelac contains sugars, I think, which

> seem to make me gassy.

Did you continue to use it, or drop it because of the gas? I find

that any effective antimicrobial makes an awful lot of fuss when it's

in my gut, which causes gas or rumbling, etc. It seems like I feel

gas being released and thrown about almost as soon as anything hits my

stomach.

I'd be curious to know if cotinued use resolves the gas or not. I'm

interesed in trying Threelac but haven't ordered any yet.

Chris

--

Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain

And Cause Transient Global Amnesia:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html

[Guest guest]

On 9/23/05, Sue <suzt77@...> wrote:

> I tried the grapefruit seed extract but didn't really find that for me it

> did much.

Someone from Native-Nutrition posted a study recently that found

grapefruit seed extract NOT to have any antimicrobial effect at all.

They found that only grapefruit seed extract supplements which had

certain preservatives in them were antimicrobial, and that it was

actually the preservatives that were exerting the effect.

Chris

--

Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain

And Cause Transient Global Amnesia:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html

[Guest guest]

I find that with threelac the gassiness is down to 'die off', and it

does go away once the levels of cadida in my system drop down a lot.

its recommended with threelac to start on a low dose ( a sachet a

day) and gradually build up- to minimise this effect, and to take a

fibre product alongside it. They also suggest that if dieoff is too

much, to cut back on your dose a little until its managable, then to

gradually ramp up again. I never found it made me any more

uncomfortable in the tummy than nystatin though. I've started using

an oxgen product with threelac too, and i think this is helping

increase its effectiveness.

although i didn't find threelac to be a miricle cure for me- my

mother swears by it- she's had constant sinusitis and an upset

stomach since i was born ( for 25 years), and used it along with

cutting back on wheat, sugar, yeast and dairy for 2 months this

spring after my nagging her to try it. she's now back off it and has

restricted her intake of the above foods, and says she feels 20 years

younger, is full of energy, doesnt have gas, and can breathe and

smell things for the first time she can remember. so it maybe worked

for her - might have been helped by cutting out the dairy and yeast

and stuff a lot though. (i feel pleased for her, but very very

envious that its taking me forever to get anywhere!) the first time i

used it, i thought it worked a treat- this time it's taking me longer

though.

jen

Re: Did you continue to use it, or drop it because of the gas? I find

that any effective antimicrobial makes an awful lot of fuss when it's

in my gut, which causes gas or rumbling, etc. It seems like I feel

gas being released and thrown about almost as soon as anything hits my

stomach.

I'd be curious to know if cotinued use resolves the gas or not. I'm

interesed in trying Threelac but haven't ordered any yet.

Chris

[Guest guest]

On 9/26/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> >Someone from Native-Nutrition posted a study recently that found

> >grapefruit seed extract NOT to have any antimicrobial effect at all.

> >They found that only grapefruit seed extract supplements which had

> >certain preservatives in them were antimicrobial, and that it was

> >actually the preservatives that were exerting the effect.

>

> Does the word " microbial " include fungi?

I use it assuming that it does. Micro = small, or microscopically

small, bio=life. So I assume it means any type of microorganism. But

I'm sure the abstract listed what type of organisms it tested it

against, though I can't remember off the top of my head.

Chris

--

Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain

And Cause Transient Global Amnesia:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html

[Guest guest]

On 9/26/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> Below is the abstract. It looks like the preservatives in the GSE products

> acted mainly against bacteria, but it looks like one strain of candida is

> mentioned. When they tested the non-preservative containing GSE, they said

> it had no anti-microbial activity. But I don't know enough about the

> testing

> method they used (standard serial broth dilution assay, agar diffusion

> test)

> to know if it can test for all the most common pathogenic strains of

> bacteria and yeasts, or not. Since there are literally hundreds or

> thousands

> or more different strains of microbiota, I'm sure it doesn't test for every

> one. So I'd imagine the test is of limited value. The main thing it doesn't

> tell us is whether GSE itself or the preservatives in several GSE products

> act against *candid albicans* which is what most of us are battling, I

> assume.

It depends. If we could get our hands on the full-text, they'd

probably review the past research on GSE in the intro, and hopefully

they tested strains that were previousy tested with positive results.

If the strains are representative of the organisms that have been

tested before, than the complete inacivity of GSE per se against any

of them makes it probable enough that it is not effective against the

others either for me to not spend my money on it. I agree it doesn't

tell us about Candida abicans, but it calls into question all of the

previous research that did not account for the others, basically

resetting what's been established for GSE to zero. So I wouldn't

spend my money on any until someone shows it has independent activity

against Candida albicans.

Chris

--

Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain

And Cause Transient Global Amnesia:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html