Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 I totally agree. Simona Inulin Wars Everybody, I am really tired of this ennervating debate, which we tried and failed to resolve at least once before. I suggest that those who prefer a marketing-banned group create one and leave the rest of us in peace. There is enough activity in the group to support two groups. Anyone agree? Best, > I think that some of the comments about Inulin are interesting and > worthy of some prudent investigation. > > Nevertheless, I seem to be noticing some debating going on between > some vested interests, ie. persons who are taking advantage of this > EG by using it as a thinly veiled marketing tool. > > I have noticed on this EG the following sales " pitch " . > > " If you don't use my miracle stuff (for sale on my website)you will > all wither and die, and no other stuff works as well as my miracle > stuff, and everybody else who makes any competing stuff is bunk and I > am the one true genius. " > > Doesn't this sound alot like the all to familiar hype and > misinformation that the large pharmaceutical corporations pump into > the media everyday? > > I would have hoped that this EG would at least be a safe refuge where > information could be exchanged without descending to the dreary > venality of grubbing for bucks, and hustling those poor unfortunates > who are suffering... > > The one thing that's come out of this debate that's caught my > attention is that the quantities of viable pro-biotics that are sold > as supplements are not sufficient to effectively repopulate the > intestines. Buying sufficient amounts of pro-biotics would be cost > prohibitive. > > Somehow, you need to generate a quantum amount of pro-biotics. Here's > a nice simple way to extend whatever acidophilus or bifidus into the > mega quantities that actually make repopulating viable. > > Take whatever live pro-biotic cultures you have purchased, and add it > to one pint of any store bought " pro-biotic " yoghurt. Heat up two > quarts of heavy cream (less lactose than whole milk)to 180 degrees > for about two minutes to kill any unwanted bacteria. Then let it cool > back to 70 degrees. Then mix in the pro-biotic yoghurt and the pro- > biotic supplements thoroughly. Pour into a sealable container and > seal and find a way to keep the yoghurt mix at about 120-140 degrees > for at least 12 to 48 hours. The longer you wait the more lactose is > eaten up by the bacteria. Unfortunately the longer you waite the more > sour the yoghurt gets. I personally like my yoghurt very sour, so I > let it go for 48 hours. At the end of the process you have 2 quarts > of heavy creamy yoghurt " creme bular " or sour cream whatever you want > to call it.... I make and consume two quarts every week. > > BTW this is all made alot easier with a Yoghurt making machine. There > are several on the market...take your pick. > > Don't forget to save and set aside a couple of cups of the brew as > the " starter " for the next batch. > > Here's the important part one cupfull of this brew has the quantum > amounts of active pro-biotic baccilii and it's all home made at a > fraction of the cost of the supplements. > > My intention is to eventually develop a really good mix of pro- biotic > baccilii including bifidus, acidophilus, and other strains. > > Hope that this helps! > > All the best, > > Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Yep, , If there is a person that just pisses you off. I would consider them looking at that and just deleting those message. It is so right wing to try to illiminate anything that a particular person doesnt like. Not to mention the exageration. I read distinctly Duncan writing that if you can tolerate sugar the other inulins are fine, but since this is a candida group they might be problematic. I have seen people who loved threelac and felt improvement chased off because they benefitted from selling it. I am with , instead of pissing and moaning about certain posts (of which those pissing and moaning are usually very nasty) just move to another group...No one is a victim here. We all created our illnesses and can create wellness. I think Duncan and many here offer ideas. DIgest what resonates and spit out what doesnt. my 2 cents. gigi <kmabbadi@...> wrote: Everybody, I am really tired of this ennervating debate, which we tried and failed to resolve at least once before. I suggest that those who prefer a marketing-banned group create one and leave the rest of us in peace. There is enough activity in the group to support two groups.Anyone agree?Best,> I think that some of the comments about Inulin are interesting and > worthy of some prudent investigation.> > Nevertheless, I seem to be noticing some debating going on between > some vested interests, ie. persons who are taking advantage of this > EG by using it as a thinly veiled marketing tool.> > I have noticed on this EG the following sales "pitch".> > "If you don't use my miracle stuff (for sale on my website)you will > all wither and die, and no other stuff works as well as my miracle > stuff, and everybody else who makes any competing stuff is bunk and I > am the one true genius."> > Doesn't this sound alot like the all to familiar hype and > misinformation that the large pharmaceutical corporations pump into > the media everyday?> > I would have hoped that this EG would at least be a safe refuge where > information could be exchanged without descending to the dreary > venality of grubbing for bucks, and hustling those poor unfortunates > who are suffering...> > The one thing that's come out of this debate that's caught my > attention is that the quantities of viable pro-biotics that are sold > as supplements are not sufficient to effectively repopulate the> intestines. Buying sufficient amounts of pro-biotics would be cost > prohibitive. > > Somehow, you need to generate a quantum amount of pro-biotics. Here's > a nice simple way to extend whatever acidophilus or bifidus into the > mega quantities that actually make repopulating viable.> > Take whatever live pro-biotic cultures you have purchased, and add it > to one pint of any store bought "pro-biotic" yoghurt. Heat up two > quarts of heavy cream (less lactose than whole milk)to 180 degrees > for about two minutes to kill any unwanted bacteria. Then let it cool > back to 70 degrees. Then mix in the pro-biotic yoghurt and the pro-> biotic supplements thoroughly. Pour into a sealable container and > seal and find a way to keep the yoghurt mix at about 120-140 degrees > for at least 12 to 48 hours. The longer you wait the more lactose is > eaten up by the bacteria. Unfortunately the longer you waite the more > sour the yoghurt gets. I personally like my yoghurt very sour, so I > let it go for 48 hours. At the end of the process you have 2 quarts > of heavy creamy yoghurt "creme bular" or sour cream whatever you want > to call it.... I make and consume two quarts every week. > > BTW this is all made alot easier with a Yoghurt making machine. There > are several on the market...take your pick.> > Don't forget to save and set aside a couple of cups of the brew as > the "starter" for the next batch. > > Here's the important part one cupfull of this brew has the quantum > amounts of active pro-biotic baccilii and it's all home made at a > fraction of the cost of the supplements.> > My intention is to eventually develop a really good mix of pro-biotic > baccilii including bifidus, acidophilus, and other strains.> > Hope that this helps!> > All the best,> > Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 yes Simon, the marketing is awful. > > I think that some of the comments about Inulin are interesting and > > worthy of some prudent investigation. > > > > Nevertheless, I seem to be noticing some debating going on between > > some vested interests, ie. persons who are taking advantage of > this > > EG by using it as a thinly veiled marketing tool. > > > > I have noticed on this EG the following sales " pitch " . > > > > " If you don't use my miracle stuff (for sale on my website)you > will > > all wither and die, and no other stuff works as well as my miracle > > stuff, and everybody else who makes any competing stuff is bunk > and I > > am the one true genius. " > > > > Doesn't this sound alot like the all to familiar hype and > > misinformation that the large pharmaceutical corporations pump > into > > the media everyday? > > > > I would have hoped that this EG would at least be a safe refuge > where > > information could be exchanged without descending to the dreary > > venality of grubbing for bucks, and hustling those poor > unfortunates > > who are suffering... > > > > The one thing that's come out of this debate that's caught my > > attention is that the quantities of viable pro-biotics that are > sold > > as supplements are not sufficient to effectively repopulate the > > intestines. Buying sufficient amounts of pro-biotics would be cost > > prohibitive. > > > > Somehow, you need to generate a quantum amount of pro-biotics. > Here's > > a nice simple way to extend whatever acidophilus or bifidus into > the > > mega quantities that actually make repopulating viable. > > > > Take whatever live pro-biotic cultures you have purchased, and add > it > > to one pint of any store bought " pro-biotic " yoghurt. Heat up two > > quarts of heavy cream (less lactose than whole milk)to 180 degrees > > for about two minutes to kill any unwanted bacteria. Then let it > cool > > back to 70 degrees. Then mix in the pro-biotic yoghurt and the pro- > > biotic supplements thoroughly. Pour into a sealable container and > > seal and find a way to keep the yoghurt mix at about 120-140 > degrees > > for at least 12 to 48 hours. The longer you wait the more lactose > is > > eaten up by the bacteria. Unfortunately the longer you waite the > more > > sour the yoghurt gets. I personally like my yoghurt very sour, so > I > > let it go for 48 hours. At the end of the process you have 2 > quarts > > of heavy creamy yoghurt " creme bular " or sour cream whatever you > want > > to call it.... I make and consume two quarts every week. > > > > BTW this is all made alot easier with a Yoghurt making machine. > There > > are several on the market...take your pick. > > > > Don't forget to save and set aside a couple of cups of the brew as > > the " starter " for the next batch. > > > > Here's the important part one cupfull of this brew has the quantum > > amounts of active pro-biotic baccilii and it's all home made at a > > fraction of the cost of the supplements. > > > > My intention is to eventually develop a really good mix of pro- > biotic > > baccilii including bifidus, acidophilus, and other strains. > > > > Hope that this helps! > > > > All the best, > > > > Tony > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 I agree with all you guys - we need peace, quiet and no stress on this site. This should be to a place for help and information - not this constant sniping and putting other people's ideas down. Good health involves not just the body but the spirit as well. So in the "spirit" of things, let's cut out the negativeness. I am with , instead of pissing and moaning about certain posts (of which those pissing and moaning are usually very nasty) just move to another group...No one is a victim here. We all created our illnesses and can create wellness. I think Duncan and many here offer ideas. DIgest what resonates and spit out what doesnt. my 2 cents. gigi <kmabbadi@...> wrote: Everybody, I am really tired of this ennervating debate, which we tried and failed to resolve at least once before. I suggest that those who prefer a marketing-banned group create one and leave the rest of us in peace. There is enough activity in the group to support two groups.Anyone agree?Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Speaking for myself and probably others, its not my intention to start wars or personally attack anyone. I believe more information is better than less, and fully intend to continue sharing relevant information. Its fine that you have made up your mind either way about any product that gets discussed here, but new people stop in every day. If you were in their shoes, wouldn't you want to hear every side of the story, pro and con? I know I would. I'm not suggesting Duncan should be expelled from the list for marketing, but the products he does market are open to discussion, and why wouldn't they be? again, more information is better, no? that people posting negative information about a product upsets you is unfortunate. But, do you really mean to suggest poeple should self-censor their views on products, and possibly deprive others who may find it interesting or useful just because the discussion causes you discomfort? I hope that's not what you mean. g > Everybody, > > I am really tired of this ennervating debate, which we tried and > failed to resolve at least once before. I suggest that those who > prefer a marketing-banned group create one and leave the rest of us > in peace. There is enough activity in the group to support two > groups. > > Anyone agree? > > Best, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 , I agree with you on the point of johng and other posts being most informative. I just dont understand why anyone would want to censor posts. I am doing a little of all that I have seen and read. I have bought most of the books suggested. I have started the alkaline diet with much success and also take the inulin (after reading the research on it) I see much of what many say here being very similar. I also am reading s book which suggests many things for liver support which I have not seen conflict with anything that Duncan has presented. To want to censor a particular person because you dont agree with the information seems unecessary. As far as the forum belonging to the moderator. I am not sure if that is the case. I moderate 2 new thought groups. I never moderate or delete messages with the exception of a few which were posting websites that were pornagraphic because it was a spam. It comes to me as a spam to delete or allow in before it even hits the site. To me the group IS the members. And it ebbs and tides and has different philosophies or tones as members come and go. That is the beauty of letting it form as it will. I dont understand how one person's posting could keep information from you. Again, there is the analogy of the bakery. If you dont like peanut butter cookies you don't ban them. I think the suggestion was if the group is not a fit for you then you could form one where censorship of anything but one train of thought is maintained. Wishing you healing gigi B <sbulmer@...> wrote: ,There are 1794 members as of right now. About 20 or so are posting so it’s hard to say this is what the majority wants. I think it comes down to what the list owner wants (Dushan).What I’m getting out of the debate is that G is trying to get the point across that he didn’t need supplements and he is now well. That is a very important point that new members will not realize if he and others who are getting well leave the group. Several new people join each day. To put some perspective on this, I was all set to try the latest CFS treatment, which is IV’s of phosphatidylcholine along with an arsenal of other supplements. Just at the time that I made that decision, G and slickricks posts caught my eye. I decided to give what they are doing a try and now I am now getting better AND saved about $10,000 as a rough estimate which I will now put towards my house I am saving for. But it still took from 1999 until end of 2003 to get to that point where I realized what I had to do ; how much longer would it have taken if I didn’t see these posts ? Forever ?It’s not really about inulin per se, it’s about getting well without supplements.-----Original Message-----From: [mailto:kmabbadi@...] Sent: March 25, 2004 5:28 AMcandidiasis Subject: Inulin WarsEverybody, I am really tired of this ennervating debate, which we tried and failed to resolve at least once before. I suggest that those who prefer a marketing-banned group create one and leave the rest of us in peace. There is enough activity in the group to support two groups.Anyone agree?Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 , I dont keep track of who says what, but it sure is possible I misunderstood you or someone who posted here. I recall something mentioned about people not marketing in the group and being moderated. I have not looked who moderates and I am sure your info is correct if you looked. I was only mentioning I am a founder of several new thought groups and though the title might be moderator now it is not what I think is done in most groups. Often they set the group up and let it go. The person who set it up may be long gone, as in not interested in playing here anymore, moved on to other things etc. From my experience if you delete yourself as a moderator the group is deleted so many stay around without real screening from anyone. Still a nice place to play. I was in a group where anyone trying to sell threelac was slammed. I didnt find it helpful but personally know someone who did and talked me into trying it. I still think the posts were fine and informative even though it was something that didnt work for me. I think when something works we get real dogmatic about it. I love all the exchanges disagreeing or not. I am not caring enough to go back and copy and paste statements that I thought were a little nastier then just disagreeing. And who knows it is all in the perception of the one reading it. THe down side to email groups is inflections and intent are missed that might be there in person. So you only read what is written with our own inflection and interpretation. I kind of feel guilty of keeping this debate open. As I respond and voice my opinion. It seems I would better serve the group by keeping my opinion to myself except for the ideas we are exchanging on candiasis and diet and all that pertains to that. It really is nice that we all can agree to disagree and still participate. Apologize if I added to the fire. gigi B <sbulmer@...> wrote: Gigi, I don’t think I have seen anyone say they want to censor a particular person. I’m not sure what you mean by “one person’s posting could keep information from you”. What I was getting at is, let’s say G left the group before I joined as was suggested by below, then I would never have received the info from G, that’s all. What I was getting at is that people leaving to go to another group isn’t the answer IMO, because new members would never have the benefit of learning from their experience. I wasn’’t saying Duncan’s postings were keeping info from me – is that what you thought ? I believe Dushan is the list owner – ie. He set up the group. I could be wrong about that. -----Original Message-----From: GiGi Hein [mailto:nydio@...] Sent: March 25, 2004 11:25 AMcandidiasis Subject: Re: Inulin wars , I agree with you on the point of johng and other posts being most informative. I just dont understand why anyone would want to censor posts. I am doing a little of all that I have seen and read. I have bought most of the books suggested. I have started the alkaline diet with much success and also take the inulin (after reading the research on it) I see much of what many say here being very similar. I also am reading s book which suggests many things for liver support which I have not seen conflict with anything that Duncan has presented. To want to censor a particular person because you dont agree with the information seems unecessary. As far as the forum belonging to the moderator. I am not sure if that is the case. I moderate 2 new thought groups. I never moderate or delete messages with the exception of a few which were posting websites that were pornagraphic because it was a spam. It comes to me as a spam to delete or allow in before it even hits the site. To me the group IS the members. And it ebbs and tides and has different philosophies or tones as members come and go. That is the beauty of letting it form as it will. I dont understand how one person's posting could keep information from you. Again, there is the analogy of the bakery. If you dont like peanut butter cookies you don't ban them. I think the suggestion was if the group is not a fit for you then you could form one where censorship of anything but one train of thought is maintained. Wishing you healing gigi B <sbulmer@...> wrote: ,There are 1794 members as of right now. About 20 or so are posting so it’s hard to say this is what the majority wants. I think it comes down to what the list owner wants (Dushan).What I’m getting out of the debate is that G is trying to get the point across that he didn’t need supplements and he is now well. That is a very important point that new members will not realize if he and others who are getting well leave the group. Several new people join each day. To put some perspective on this, I was all set to try the latest CFS treatment, which is IV’s of phosphatidylcholine along with an arsenal of other supplements. Just at the time that I made that decision, G and slickricks posts caught my eye. I decided to give what they are doing a try and now I am now getting better AND saved about $10,000 as a rough estimate which I will now put towards my house I am saving for. But it still took from 1999 until end of 2003 to get to that point where I realized what I had to do ; how much longer would it have taken if I didn’t see these posts ? Forever ?It’s not really about inulin per se, it’s about getting well without supplements.-----Original Message-----From: [mailto:kmabbadi@...] Sent: March 25, 2004 5:28 AMcandidiasis Subject: Inulin WarsEverybody, I am really tired of this ennervating debate, which we tried and failed to resolve at least once before. I suggest that those who prefer a marketing-banned group create one and leave the rest of us in peace. There is enough activity in the group to support two groups.Anyone agree?Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Did TheeLac Work? > , > I dont keep track of who says what, but it sure is possible I misunderstood > you or someone who posted here. I recall something mentioned about people not > marketing in the group and being moderated. I have not looked who moderates > and I am sure your info is correct if you looked. I was only mentioning I am a > founder of several new thought groups and though the title might be moderator > now it is not what I think is done in most groups. Often they set the group up > and let it go. The person who set it up may be long gone, as in not interested > in playing here anymore, moved on to other things etc. From my experience if > you delete yourself as a moderator the group is deleted so many stay around > without real screening from anyone. Still a nice place to play. > > I was in a group where anyone trying to sell threelac was slammed. I didnt > find it helpful but personally know someone who did and talked me into trying > it. I still think the posts were fine and informative even though it was > something that didnt work for me. I think when something works we get real > dogmatic about it. > > I love all the exchanges disagreeing or not. I am not caring enough to go back > and copy and paste statements that I thought were a little nastier then just > disagreeing. And who knows it is all in the perception of the one reading it. > THe down side to email groups is inflections and intent are missed that might > be there in person. So you only read what is written with our own inflection > and interpretation. > > I kind of feel guilty of keeping this debate open. As I respond and voice my > opinion. It seems I would better serve the group by keeping my opinion to > myself except for the ideas we are exchanging on candiasis and diet and all > that pertains to that. It really is nice that we all can agree to disagree and > still participate. > > Apologize if I added to the fire. > gigi > > B <sbulmer@...> wrote: > > Gigi, > > > > I don?t think I have seen anyone say they want to censor a particular person. > I?m not sure what you mean by ?one person?s posting could keep information > from you?. What I was getting at is, let?s say G left the group before > I joined as was suggested by below, then I would never have received > the info from G, that?s all. What I was getting at is that people > leaving to go to another group isn?t the answer IMO, because new members would > never have the benefit of learning from their experience. I wasn??t saying > Duncan?s postings were keeping info from me ? is that what you thought ? > > > > I believe Dushan is the list owner ? ie. He set up the group. I could be > wrong about that. > > > > > > > > > Inulin Wars > > Everybody, > > I am really tired of this ennervating debate, which we tried and > failed to resolve at least once before. I suggest that those who > prefer a marketing-banned group create one and leave the rest of us > in peace. There is enough activity in the group to support two > groups. > > Anyone agree? > > Best, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Well said Gigi. What is a "thought" group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Mox- as far as probiotics go, its not a bad one. it, unlike many, can survive the stomach acid and implant in your gi tract in greater numbers. however, unless you take steps to clean out your gi tract (probiotics can help here) and improve your liver function, its just a crutch. and, you don't want your body to grow to depend on these things are you will be buying them for life. johng > > > > > > , > > There are 1794 members as of right now. About 20 or so are posting so it???s > > hard to say this is what the majority wants. I think it comes down to what > > the list owner wants (Dushan). > > > > What I???m getting out of the debate is that G is trying to get the point > > across that he didn???t need supplements and he is now well. That is a very > > important point that new members will not realize if he and others who are > > getting well leave the group. Several new people join each day. > > > > To put some perspective on this, I was all set to try the latest CFS > > treatment, which is IV???s of phosphatidylcholine along with an arsenal of > > other supplements. Just at the time that I made that decision, G and > > slickricks posts caught my eye. I decided to give what they are doing a try > > and now I am now getting better AND saved about $10,000 as a rough estimate > > which I will now put towards my house I am saving for. But it still took > > from 1999 until end of 2003 to get to that point where I realized what I had > > to do ; how much longer would it have taken if I didn???t see these posts ? > > Forever ? > > > > It???s not really about inulin per se, it???s about getting well without > > supplements. > > > > > > > > Inulin Wars > > > > Everybody, > > > > I am really tired of this ennervating debate, which we tried and > > failed to resolve at least once before. I suggest that those who > > prefer a marketing-banned group create one and leave the rest of us > > in peace. There is enough activity in the group to support two > > groups. > > > > Anyone agree? > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Greetings to all I am new sort of! I use the delete button when needed. I want the opportunity to know all I can good bad and ugly. If there are two groups, I am joining both of them :-) Knowledge is power. nieema Good health to all Natures is doing her best to make us well, she exists for no other end. http://www.a-healing-village.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 a wise approach indeed. there are at least 4 groups I know of, and then combinations them: 1. Kill candida-Medical/drug approach- prescription antifungals ect. has worked for some, maybe those with mild cases. fungus are very adaptable and can become resistent. sees fungus as invader. 2. kill/starve candida-natural antifungals. similar approach, less toxic substances. often rotate naturals. also sees fungus as invader. beware resistence. this appoach often combined with " candida diet " which attempts to starve candida by witholding almost all carbs. will keep symtoms in check if diet is adhered to. ie, its lifelong. some think candida will find a way to feed on other things, protien, or you. as proof, if you eat some sugar after a year on the diet, the candida will return, why? it never really starved to death at all, it just lies in wait. 3. Probiotics and supplements- this approach often overlaps with number two and four. you attempt to restore healthy bowel flora and the immune system by supplementing, and by taking vitamins and various supps. can be quite expensive. can also achieve some success at restoring health, sometimes all the way. people spend much time and money looking for the magic bullet. I never found one and don't think it exists. 4. pure holistic approach- if you treat the body right, clean out all vital organs of illimination, live right and eat right, your body returns to its natural state of health. supps are largly frowned upon as unecessary, expensive and in some cases-counterproductive. ie, they are toxic or hard on your body, clog the liver ect. the focus is on a natural balenced diet, whole foods, cleansing liver, colon kidneys ect, and restoring a natural balence to your life. sees candida not as an invader, but rather a natural resident of the body that grows more numerous do to underlying health problems, poor digestion ect. in this light, killing candida or even starving it is shortshighted, its there because its supposed to be there (until you clean yourself up and restore natural function) it takes more work in the short term, but allows a return to true health, you know, how you felt when you were young. for the best summary of this approach see s Moritz " the key to health and rejuvenation " Many combine these different general methods to a degree. I did all of them before #4 basically worked for me. your views often change over time too, at first people tend to think they can get over this pretty quick, if they are lucky it happens. if not, they move on to the next stage or product. before you jump into anything, spend a least a month reading all different approaches. be very wary, many people selling many things, never forget the bias. many unwell people also mean well and will give you advice, sometimes its good advice, sometimes its not. trust yourself in the end. g > Greetings to all > > I am new sort of! > > I use the delete button when needed. > > I want the opportunity to know all I can good bad and ugly. > > If there are two groups, I am joining both of them :-) > > Knowledge is power. > > nieema > > Good health to all > > > Natures is doing her best to make us well, she exists for no other end. > http://www.a-healing-village.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 A well done synopsis , we should save that for all newcomers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 I would be happy if my posts were half as coherent as yours (and no typos or spelling mistakes either). I might just turn that into a working doc of some sort. the same question is after all asked over and over... " where do I start " I think most people assume there is just ONE approach that everyone follows. johng > A well done synopsis , we should save that for all newcomers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Penny, New Thought I guess could be many things. For me it is the concept that we are not victims EVER. We create our own reality ALWAYS. Sometimes we do it on purpose, sometimes we do it haphazardly..sometimes we create from a place of powerful focus, sometimes we create from a place of fear, and often we just maintain the status quo because we kind of vibrate a sum total of all of these things. I believe we are powerful creators. Like I believe we can heal ourselves and our bodies are perfect. Reading s' book reaffirms that when it illustrates how much of the illness is our body attempting to protect itself. This is possibly not a good fit for many people religious beliefs. You can email me at gigihein@... if you would like to share on that. Have a magical day! gigiPenny <penelopea@...> wrote: Well said Gigi. What is a "thought" group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Mox, For me it worked the first month. Then I didnt notice improvement. I have heard some people swear by it. I was very strict with the diet but still I had my itching. I cannot answer if it works for everyone. For me switching from a heavy meat diet to alkaline seems to have been the best.I am also drinking green alkalizing drink with PH drops to help assist getting my body more alkaline faster. I was hesitant but it feels so much better. My itching is only occasional and my urine tests about 7 instead of 5 ...same with my spit though it is better then that often. That is what I did. Whether the threelac helped some I couldnt say. Maybe it was a kick start. But I do believe the liver flushes. colon cleansing is important. Even when I wasnt taking threelac after a coffee enema I would get immediate though short lived relief. Good luck to you...The books I have bought and find have been great...All of which I heard from this forum and one in curezone are as follows. "The PH Miracle" by Dr Young "The Amazing LIver Cleanse" by s MOritz (which I am reading now and is very very informative. I also bought his other book about rejuenating health but have only browsed through it. I also got Dr Hulda 's book "The Cure for All Diseases" All of these seem great. Dr is into zappers and other things I felt were over the top for me but many swear by them. YOu can also visit curezone.com noted at the bottom of posts and get loads of into. Create a healthy and happy day! gigiMox Brathwaite <mox@...> wrote: Did TheeLac Work?> ,> I dont keep track of who says what, but it sure is possible I misunderstood> you or someone who posted here. I recall something mentioned about people not> marketing in the group and being moderated. I have not looked who moderates> and I am sure your info is correct if you looked. I was only mentioning I am a> founder of several new thought groups and though the title might be moderator> now it is not what I think is done in most groups. Often they set the group up> and let it go. The person who set it up may be long gone, as in not interested> in playing here anymore, moved on to other things etc. From my experience if> you delete yourself as a moderator the group is deleted so many stay around> without real screening from anyone. Still a nice place to play.> > I was in a group where anyone trying to sell threelac was slammed. I didnt> find it helpful but personally know someone who did and talked me into trying> it. I still think the posts were fine and informative even though it was> something that didnt work for me. I think when something works we get real> dogmatic about it.> > I love all the exchanges disagreeing or not. I am not caring enough to go back> and copy and paste statements that I thought were a little nastier then just> disagreeing. And who knows it is all in the perception of the one reading it.> THe down side to email groups is inflections and intent are missed that might> be there in person. So you only read what is written with our own inflection> and interpretation.> > I kind of feel guilty of keeping this debate open. As I respond and voice my> opinion. It seems I would better serve the group by keeping my opinion to> myself except for the ideas we are exchanging on candiasis and diet and all> that pertains to that. It really is nice that we all can agree to disagree and> still participate.> > Apologize if I added to the fire.> gigi> > B <sbulmer@...> wrote:> > Gigi,> > > > I don?t think I have seen anyone say they want to censor a particular person.> I?m not sure what you mean by ?one person?s posting could keep information> from you?. What I was getting at is, let?s say G left the group before> I joined as was suggested by below, then I would never have received> the info from G, that?s all. What I was getting at is that people> leaving to go to another group isn?t the answer IMO, because new members would> never have the benefit of learning from their experience. I wasn??t saying> Duncan?s postings were keeping info from me ? is that what you thought ?> > > > I believe Dushan is the list owner ? ie. He set up the group. I could be> wrong about that.> > > > > > > > > Inulin Wars> > Everybody, > > I am really tired of this ennervating debate, which we tried and> failed to resolve at least once before. I suggest that those who> prefer a marketing-banned group create one and leave the rest of us> in peace. There is enough activity in the group to support two> groups.> > Anyone agree?> > Best,> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Some people still have the need to always be " right " or " righter than everyone else " Any takers? > > > > > A well done synopsis , we should save that for all newcomers! > > Well done except for the part about candida being in the bowel > because it's supposed to be there. It's in the bowel because the > bacteria that normally control it had been reduced in numbers. All > the research, and holistic practice, agrees with that. > > Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 If anyone is interested in following up on Inulin. Here are just a few of the over 200+ products available that can provide " naturally " and " oganically " produced Inulin or FOS (which are one and the same thing.) Some of it comes from Jerusalem artichokes, some of it comes from from artichokes, some from asparagus, and some from other " natural " plant sources. Though all these commercial companies that produce or sell the stuff obviously claim that their product is superior to their competitors, I couldn't find a single one of these companies that had the blind arrogance, false pride, and chutzpah to claim to be the only world world source of the " right " kind of inulin, and that all others were bad...Really..... INULIN POWDER PURE FOS 8 OZ NOW - NW-2944. $4.79 http://www.totaldiscountvitamins.com/default.asp?CatalogID=6311 & SubfolderID=76 & A\ ssocID=dealtime Naturally Vitamins Inuflora Tabs. 60 $6.65 http://www.webvitamins.com/product.aspx?id=9834 Artichoke 250 mg (contains scolymoside, inulin and taraxasterol). $11.36 http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=3974 & brand=Nature's-Plus If you want to mechandise and opportunistically take commercial advantage of other peoples' suffering, then you ought to be man enough to take the criticism and " heat " that your behaviors and attitude merits and deserves. What's so interesting is that it's the merchandisers and the Hypsters that are the forst to go into " cry-baby " mode when their outrageous posturing, misleading comments, and deceptive strategies earn the rath and criticism that thay deserve. To echo former NY governor Al ... " If you can't stand the heat of the stove then get out of the kitchen! " . All the best, Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Sardar- I am with you 100%, but thought it would be helpful if people understood that there are many ways of looking at this problem (not that all of them are sucessful). g > > Greetings to all > > > > I am new sort of! > > > > I use the delete button when needed. > > > > I want the opportunity to know all I can good bad and ugly. > > > > If there are two groups, I am joining both of them :-) > > > > Knowledge is power. > > > > nieema > > > > Good health to all > > > > > > Natures is doing her best to make us well, she exists for no other > end. > > http://www.a-healing-village.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Duncan- If you read my post, I am referring to a " pure " holostic approach which you don't ascribe to. But, you can define it however you see fit for yourself. g > , > > > 4. pure holistic approach- if you treat the body right, clean out all > > vital organs of illimination, live right and eat right, your body > > returns to its natural state of health. supps are largly frowned upon > > as unecessary, expensive and in some cases-counterproductive. > > The above passage shows an incorrect view of holistic practice, in > which dietary deficiencies would indeed be addressed and supplements > would be used if they are required. > > Holistic practice, and any health practice, would eschew 'counter- > productive' supplements or methods. > > regards, > > Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 That would be your opinion Duncan, many disagree, myself included. The logic makes sense to me, and the approach cured me. I need to further proof. g > > > > > A well done synopsis , we should save that for all newcomers! > > Well done except for the part about candida being in the bowel > because it's supposed to be there. It's in the bowel because the > bacteria that normally control it had been reduced in numbers. All > the research, and holistic practice, agrees with that. > > Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Al beat Harry by 20 years on that quote.... But Harry Truman is much more interesting source for quotes.... Tony > Tony - I think it was Harry Truman on the heat in the kitchen quote. > > > Re: Inulin wars > > > > If anyone is interested in following up on Inulin. Here are just a few of > > the over 200+ products available that can provide " naturally " and > > " oganically " produced Inulin or FOS (which are one and the same thing.) > Some > > of it comes from Jerusalem artichokes, some of it comes from from > > artichokes, some from asparagus, and some from other " natural " plant > > sources. > > > > Though all these commercial companies that produce or sell the stuff > > obviously claim that their product is superior to their competitors, I > > couldn't find a single one of these companies that had the blind > arrogance, > > false pride, and chutzpah to claim to be the only world world source of > the > > " right " kind of inulin, and that all others were bad...Really..... > > > > INULIN POWDER PURE FOS 8 OZ NOW - NW-2944. $4.79 > > > http://www.totaldiscountvitamins.com/default.asp? CatalogID=6311 & SubfolderID=76 & AssocID=dealtime > > > > Naturally Vitamins Inuflora Tabs. 60 $6.65 > > http://www.webvitamins.com/product.aspx?id=9834 > > > > Artichoke 250 mg (contains scolymoside, inulin and taraxasterol). $11.36 > > http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=3974 & brand=Nature's-Plus > > > > If you want to mechandise and opportunistically take commercial advantage > of > > other peoples' suffering, then you ought to be man enough to take the > > criticism and " heat " that your behaviors and attitude merits and deserves. > > > > What's so interesting is that it's the merchandisers and the Hypsters that > > are the forst to go into " cry-baby " mode when their outrageous posturing, > > misleading comments, and deceptive strategies earn the rath and criticism > > that thay deserve. > > > > To echo former NY governor Al ... " If you can't stand the heat of the > > stove then get out of the kitchen! " . > > > > All the best, > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 > Deborah, > > I've been reading your posts about your success with the liver flushes > etc. > > I was wondering if you could post what you symptoms were. > > Also, regarding diet, do you follow a typical anti-candida diet or do > you eat according to your dosha ? > > Finally, what is your dosha ? > > > > In response to your request , here is my story of healing - I am sorry if it is long ;>{) I really began to have problems more than 10 years ago showing up in the form of skin rashes/acne rosacea, digestive problems and food/chemical sensitivities which got worse as time went on, alternating diarrhea/constipation, mental fogginess or inability to focus, insomnia, depression, menstrual problems and severe PMS, gout, ringing in ears, weight that just won't come off, gum disease even though I bushed/flossed, loss of hair. Eventually I began to experience viral/bacterial infections with some frequency, most notably 3 such infections within the 6 month period before I got bitten by a spider. I really have to thank the spider that bit me because, of course, since I became quite ill from the bite and the leg became very swollen, the Dr. prescribed antibiotics. Naturally, as many of the women on this site will attest, I also got the feminine yeast infection which I treated with the usual Monistat type products. This infection just did not want to clear up with that treatment, so since I was unemployed with no insurance, I began to research alternative treatments. The information helped me realize that all of my symptoms were related to a systemic candida overgrowth and largely due to imbalanced intestinal flora and a toxic liver. I began the " candida diet " and using pre and pro-biotics, anti- fungals in rotation and found a little relief after about 6 months, but I really wasn't getting really well either. The diet was okay but hard to stay with and I needed more answers. I found out through further research about liver/gallbladder cleanses and other diet and lifestyle changes that looked promising: Curezone.com, had lots of info on cleansing and this lead me to s Mortiz books. In s' books I learned about lifestyle changes (sleeping times, eating times, skin brushing/oil massage for lymph draining, ayurvedic body types/doshas [i am PITTA]) as well as kidney and colon cleansing recommended and began incorporating many of these suggestions including meditation and took a different viewpoint in handling getting well. I also incorporated acid-alkaline balancing information I gathered including sprouting [i grow and eat lots of different sprouted grains, pulses, beans and veggies] Gave up coffee - slowly incorporating decaf and chicory until I was able to stop and now drink green tea (leaf) instead. I include meats only a few times a week and the occasional glass of wine but not like I used to. I do get a chocolate craving once in a while, but not the eat everything in sight drive for sugar I used to have. I eat tons of veggies, love the sprouts and sprouted grain bread/tortillas (Ezekiel), fruit, whole grains (I mean make it yourself-but sprouted grains are still my favorite), good filtered water I'm doing my 4th liver cleanse this weekend. I don't know why I was hesitant to do them at first, combined with the other changes, they have helped me tremendously. Mostly I feel really good, lots of energy, my mood has improved, skin improved, intestinal tract operating well and not giving me a hard time, no more insomnia, and I've lost some weight. I still ring in the ears some but not as bad. I anticipate things will only improve as I continue this regimen. It was done mostly with food/lifestyle and cleanses/flushes. Hope this helps. Love & Light, Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 My point exactly. you agree I'm not difficult after all. > > > > Some people still have the need to always be " right " or " righter than > > everyone else " Any takers? > > > > Accuracy counts, and in health and in health research, sloppy work is > not acceptable. If the sloppy words/inferences or quotes we write > today were to stand uncontested or uncorrected, they may perhaps > steer someone wrong in the future. Knowing there is a difference, and > just letting it slide, would be unethical. > > Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Check out www.thedoctorwithin.com, I believe the his definition of " alternative light " applies here. -- In candidiasis , Duncan Crow <duncancrow@s...> wrote: > > If you read my post, I am referring to a " pure " holostic approach > > which you don't ascribe to. But, you can define it however you see > > fit for yourself. > > > > g > > , if you looked up the term you'd see that 'holistic' means that > it looks at all parts - the 'whole' of - the equation. > > Not attending to the restoration of bowel bacteria, not attending to > cleansing, not checking for EMF pollution, or inattention to hormone > levels or antioxidant levels, any of these lapses or others would > make a holistic approach impure by definition. > > Holistic MDs and Naturopaths use supplements and herbs; whatever > addresses parts of the equation. Perhaps you were thinking of > another term, such as 'natural', which doesn't have to be as > thorough. > > regards, > > Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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