Re: Please critique my diet- thank you!

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In a message dated 8/1/2006 10:12:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

EyreFamily@... writes:

almond milk

rice hot cereal

grapes

applegate hotdog

refried beans

half a almond butter and jam sandwich

a kiwi

handful of baby carrots

cup of potato chips

brown rice with ground beef and asparagus for dinner.

ON YOUR CARBS: If you do some carbs.... my advice is go for WHOLE or

sprouted grains/legumes. Instead of processed rice hot cereal.... Cook up

some

organic brown rice and use as a cereal. (This can be frozen and be reheated).

Make your own beans (previously soaked) in a crock pot. (Again as this is a

longer process you can make a lot and freeze in portion sizes).

Ughhhh!!!!!!!!! NO potato chips!!! If you have potatoes in your diet then

bake up some red potatoes. (Don't fry!) In fact, try to eat fried food as

little as possible.

VEGETABLES: I don't see much in your diet. Perhaps limiting your Rice to

once per day and adding a BIG Salad with your dinner. The more raw vegetables

the better. These are considered live healing foods. Remember: processed &

packaged foods is what damaged health in the first place. With your beans

you could use a smaller portions and add to a very big salad for lunch.

Carrots have mixed reviews. They are the most sugary of vegetables but on the

other

hand they also are an antifungal. My philosophy is rotate your vegetables

with lots and lots of greens. You can't go wrong with raw green vegetables as

they are good for everything.

Try some raw celery with your almond butter. When I have fruit now, I do

not mix it with any other foods and eat it on an empty stomach.

Again ... no processed hotdogs. If you need lunch meat then make a roast

or chicken and slice up your own. (This can also be frozen and reheated).

It's really difficult for people to change their diet and our environment

really doesn't support simplicity in eating. Don't get discouraged just make

as many changes as you can and know that as you progress it will get easier.

Hope that helps! =)

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Beth wrote:

>>>Please help me with my diet and tell me what you think I should

change and add. I have been gluten free, casein free and soy free

for 5 months now. Here's what I ate yesterday:

almond milk

rice hot cereal

grapes

applegate hotdog

refried beans

half a almond butter and jam sandwich

a kiwi

handful of baby carrots

cup of potato chips

brown rice with ground beef and asparagus for dinner.<<<

Beth, I'm anxious to see what the other more experienced folks have to say.

I know that the naturopath I am working with on my Candida diet says no

fruit at all, no nut products, no cured meat (hotdog) and no potato. The

only " starch " I can have is rice and rice products.

Basically my diet says no sugar including fruit, no dairy, no nuts, no soy,

rice as the only grain, no lentils, no alcohol.

Patti

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As i am concern, i dont eat any fruits... they recommand that in the

severe case, for the first and/or not second month... I dont eat any

bread too... almond milk is rich in carbonydrate, so sugar... they

more recommand soymilk... and, in some diet, they recommand to not eat

for the first and/ornot second month, carrot, potatoes...for the same

reason.. " carbonhydrate "

sooo...

Hope it will be helpful for you... i'm not a doctor, it's my own

advice and what i do...

Good luck

>

> I have had chronic yeast problems for many years, including thrush on

> my breast from nursing. I have also suffered from eczema my whole

> life. I'm tracking my symptoms and they seem to be associated with

> my cycle. My eczema is so bad right now that I'm trying to change my

> diet and it has definitely helped but I'm still getting vaginal

> infections as well as thrush.

>

> Please help me with my diet and tell me what you think I should

> change and add. I have been gluten free, casein free and soy free

> for 5 months now. Here's what I ate yesterday:

>

> almond milk

> rice hot cereal

> grapes

> applegate hotdog

> refried beans

> half a almond butter and jam sandwich

> a kiwi

> handful of baby carrots

> cup of potato chips

> brown rice with ground beef and asparagus for dinner.

>

> I'm going out today and buying the aloe juice everyone's been talking

> about. I had to stop the OLE because I got these huge burns/red

> patches on my body from it. At least I think that's where it's from.

>

> Thank you for any feedback you might have for me!

> Sincerely itchy,

> Beth

>

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Hi Beth,

I took a look at your diet and made some responses below.

Right off the bat though I notice you are still eating a lot of sugars and

carbs.

> Please help me with my diet and tell me what you think I should

> change and add. I have been gluten free, casein free and soy free

> for 5 months now. Here's what I ate yesterday:

>

> almond milk

Most likely has sugar added?

> rice hot cereal

Pure carbs and converted into sugars in your gut.

> grapes

Pure sugar.

> applegate hotdog

Good choice. I've been eating these lately too - I like the chicken ones.

> refried beans

These are probably fine.

> half a almond butter and jam sandwich

Jam = sugar.

> a kiwi

Again, very sugary.

> handful of baby carrots

A sugary vegetable. Look at the nutritional information on there, and you

will there is like 6 grams of sugar per serving.

> cup of potato chips

Again these are pure refined carbs and converted into sugar.

> brown rice with ground beef and asparagus for dinner.

Good choice. Brown rice is technically a carb, but its one of the best ones.

Better than white rice for sure. If you could skip the rice and do a salad

instead, that would be ideal.

As far as modifications go, I would recommend more vegetables and less

fruits, sugars, and carbs. It took me a while to realize that simple carbs

like rice and potato chips are converted into sugar in your gut, and thus

should be avoided.

I live on:

- Salads! There's an Annie's Lemon and Chive salad dressing that is vinegar

free. Its the only one I've found!

- Meats - chicken, beef, turkey, hotdogs (get the ones without sugar added!)

- Thai food when I have to go out. Stir fried veggies, chicken, etc.

Hope this helps!

_jason_

_________ ________ _______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ _

[Guest guest]

But, is there not an anomaly here. Rice (white especially?) is, as you say,

very starchy, as are all grains. Doesn't starch convert to sugars, so loved

by the candida bug?!

So my thoughts (please correct me) on Beth's diet are -

almond milk- presumably good

rice hot cereal - rice=starch=sugar?

grapes = fruit = sugar

applegate hotdog = ! Full of chemicals, spices and other things strongly

not recomended for Candida diet

refried beans - refried in what and how stored?

half a almond butter and jam sandwich - jam! sandwich made with bread =

wheat (grain)?

a kiwi = fruit = sugar

handful of baby carrots - Carrots are amongst the most sugary veg?

cup of potato chips - potatoes and what type of fat?

brown rice with ground beef and asparagus for dinner - rice again (OK brown

not as bad but still surely starchy).

These comments I've gleaned from this list over a considerable time and

www.wholeapproach.com (

www.wholeapproach.com/diet/WholeApproach_Food_List.pdf ) and others.

The

> only " starch " I can have is rice and rice products.

>

> Basically my diet says no sugar including fruit, no dairy, no nuts, no

> soy,

> rice as the only grain, no lentils, no alcohol.

>

> Patti

>

[Guest guest]

>>>But, is there not an anomaly here. Rice (white especially?) is, as you

say,

very starchy, as are all grains. Doesn't starch convert to sugars, so loved

by the candida bug?!<<<

Yes, although I'm told to use brown and wild not white. It's the only

carbish thing I'm allowed to have (no wheat or gluten products) and no corn,

carrots, etc. I will endeavor to limit as much as possible.

My naturopath has found with this diet and the supplements she prescribes,

people have very good luck resolving their Candida problems.

[Guest guest]

from what I read kiwi is permissable as it has very little sugar

<estg@...> wrote: But, is there

not an anomaly here. Rice (white especially?) is, as you say,

very starchy, as are all grains. Doesn't starch convert to sugars, so loved

by the candida bug?!

So my thoughts (please correct me) on Beth's diet are -

almond milk- presumably good

rice hot cereal - rice=starch=sugar?

grapes = fruit = sugar

applegate hotdog = ! Full of chemicals, spices and other things strongly

not recomended for Candida diet

refried beans - refried in what and how stored?

half a almond butter and jam sandwich - jam! sandwich made with bread =

wheat (grain)?

a kiwi = fruit = sugar

handful of baby carrots - Carrots are amongst the most sugary veg?

cup of potato chips - potatoes and what type of fat?

brown rice with ground beef and asparagus for dinner - rice again (OK brown

not as bad but still surely starchy).

These comments I've gleaned from this list over a considerable time and

www.wholeapproach.com (

www.wholeapproach.com/diet/WholeApproach_Food_List.pdf ) and others.

The

> only " starch " I can have is rice and rice products.

>

> Basically my diet says no sugar including fruit, no dairy, no nuts, no

> soy,

> rice as the only grain, no lentils, no alcohol.

>

> Patti

>

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my dietician told me that if you limit your diet too severely, it is hard to

recover.

Patti Cassalia <pcassalia@...> wrote:

>>>But, is there not an anomaly here. Rice (white especially?) is, as you

say,

very starchy, as are all grains. Doesn't starch convert to sugars, so loved

by the candida bug?!<<<

Yes, although I'm told to use brown and wild not white. It's the only

carbish thing I'm allowed to have (no wheat or gluten products) and no corn,

carrots, etc. I will endeavor to limit as much as possible.

My naturopath has found with this diet and the supplements she prescribes,

people have very good luck resolving their Candida problems.

[Guest guest]

>>>from what I read kiwi is permissable as it has very little sugar

As a newbie who is just starting out on this journey I have to say the more

I read the more confused I get. :-)

Between wholeapproach.com, .org, about.com,

johndommissemd.com, etc, there is so much conflicting info out there on what

IS the appropriate diet to eliminate candida.

Some say yes to soy, other say no. Some say yes to nuts, others say no.

Some say yes to dairy cheese as long as you eat it hot, some say no dairy at

all.

What have all of you done that has worked?

[Guest guest]

Just a thought for dealing with strict diets: I have been eating a lot of

celery lately. I really don't care for the taste but it helps fill you up!

Ha! The organic celery tastes a lot better than the regular.

Alison.

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[Guest guest]

>>>my dietician told me that if you limit your diet too severely, it is hard

to recover.<<<

So what do you recommend?

[Guest guest]

I was strict for awhile but no longer as strict.

Patti Cassalia <pcassalia@...> wrote:

>>>my dietician told me that if you limit your diet too severely, it is hard

to recover.<<<

So what do you recommend?

[Guest guest]

>>>I was strict for awhile but no longer as strict.

What have you added back in?

[Guest guest]

I avoid processed sugar and most starches and dairy. I have some fruit for fiber

and also beans. I am not as well as I could be but I am trying. I don't

believe you can get all your nutrients from vitamins because I have read they

are not fully absorbed. Leigh

Patti Cassalia <pcassalia@...> wrote:

>>>my dietician told me that if you limit your diet too severely, it is hard

to recover.<<<

So what do you recommend?

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all your feedback Leigh. I think I'm going to miss dairy the

most (milk for my latte and cheese!).

Also, my diet excludes hummus because it excludes garbanzo beans and

lentils. Any idea why? Is this a fermented or mold thing?

_____

From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of Leigh McCall-Alton

Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:48 AM

candidiasis

Subject: RE: Please critique my diet- thank you!

I avoid processed sugar and most starches and dairy. I have some fruit for

fiber and also beans. I am not as well as I could be but I am trying. I

don't believe you can get all your nutrients from vitamins because I have

read they are not fully absorbed. Leigh

Patti Cassalia <pcassalia@sbcglobal <mailto:pcassalia%40sbcglobal.net> .net>

wrote: >>>my dietician told me that if you limit your diet too severely, it

is hard

to recover.<<<

So what do you recommend?

[Guest guest]

On 8/1/06 11:02 AM, " Leigh McCall-Alton " <mccallalton@...> wrote:

> I don't know but I think the garlic in hummus is good for you.

Hummus can be good. I like the 's brand - no vinegar or anything bad,

and it's yummy! Available @ natural food stores...

_jason_

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[Guest guest]

Hi Patti

My husband and I have managed to get our candida under control by eating

mostly just brown rice, vegetables (excluding sweet potato and sweet

corn) and chicken breast. We have leaky gut and IBS as well, so we

cannot eat many of the things on the normal anti-candida diet.

Brown rice has not been a problem for us.

Keen

RE: Please critique my diet- thank you!

>>>But, is there not an anomaly here. Rice (white especially?) is, as

you

say,

very starchy, as are all grains. Doesn't starch convert to sugars, so

loved

by the candida bug?!<<<

Yes, although I'm told to use brown and wild not white. It's the only

carbish thing I'm allowed to have (no wheat or gluten products) and no

corn,

carrots, etc. I will endeavor to limit as much as possible.

My naturopath has found with this diet and the supplements she

prescribes,

people have very good luck resolving their Candida problems.

[Guest guest]

Okay, here is my critique:

Please critique my diet- thank you!

<<I have had chronic yeast problems for many years, including thrush on

my breast from nursing. I have also suffered from eczema my whole

life. I'm tracking my symptoms and they seem to be associated with

my cycle. My eczema is so bad right now that I'm trying to change my

diet and it has definitely helped but I'm still getting vaginal

infections as well as thrush.

Please help me with my diet and tell me what you think I should

change and add. I have been gluten free, casein free and soy free

for 5 months now. Here's what I ate yesterday:>>

<<almond milk>> - did you read the label - what is in it?

<<rice hot cereal>> - prepackaged? Make your own brown rice rather

<<grapes >> - one of the most sugary fruits around - you should avoid

for at least the first 3 - 6 months of your diet

<<applegate hotdog>> - processed foods are a killer. Do you know what

goes into a processed hot dog? Try googling and you will never touch

them again

<<refried beans>> - home made? If not, did you check the label, what is

in them?

<<half a almond butter and jam sandwich>> - jam? That is nothing but

sugar. And white bread? Also pure sugar. Both to be avoided until

after the candida problems have gone (3months to 2 years)

<<a kiwi>> - also very sweet

<<handful of baby carrots>> - they should be fine, lots of antioxidants

and such in carrots, but was that all the veggies you ate for the whole

day?

<<cup of potato chips>> - do you know what is in chips? Chemicals in

the oil, chemicals in the potatoes, chemical flavourants, chemical

anti-oxidants and lots of nasty oil to boot. Do not eat - ever again,

preferably. Make your own potato chips by slicing potatoes very finely

and frying at a very high temperature until crispy.

<<brown rice with ground beef and asparagus for dinner.>> - your only

good meal.

<<I'm going out today and buying the aloe juice everyone's been talking

about. I had to stop the OLE because I got these huge burns/red

patches on my body from it. At least I think that's where it's from.

Thank you for any feedback you might have for me!

Sincerely itchy,

Beth>>

I understand it is difficult to change the way you live, but until you

do, you will not get better. Processed foods must not be eaten, they

are very bad for your body and they contain things that suppress your

immune system. What you are trying to do is boost your immune system

and get control of your body again. What you eat should be your

medicine, you should do a lot of googling about what is in food and the

dangers. It will scare you - it did me! You should eat only foods that

are as similar to the way they were first grown as possible. Only by

vegetables and meat and make everything yourself from scratch. Yes, it

takes time - I spend at least 2 hours a night cooking for dinner and the

next day's breakfast and lunch. I take food to work so that I am never

hungry and tempted to eat what I shouldn't.

When we first started this diet, we gave away everything in our house

that we couldn't eat and we just don't buy it. If you don't have it,

you can't eat it.

Good luck!

Keen

[Guest guest]

You shouldn't be eating pre-prepared salad dressings. You should rather

make your own dressing from olive oil and lemon juice. It's much

healthier and much tastier and you know what you are eating at least.

Keen

Re: Please critique my diet- thank you!

Hi Beth,

I took a look at your diet and made some responses below.

Right off the bat though I notice you are still eating a lot of sugars

and

carbs.

> Please help me with my diet and tell me what you think I should

> change and add. I have been gluten free, casein free and soy free

> for 5 months now. Here's what I ate yesterday:

>

> almond milk

Most likely has sugar added?

> rice hot cereal

Pure carbs and converted into sugars in your gut.

> grapes

Pure sugar.

> applegate hotdog

Good choice. I've been eating these lately too - I like the chicken

ones.

> refried beans

These are probably fine.

> half a almond butter and jam sandwich

Jam = sugar.

> a kiwi

Again, very sugary.

> handful of baby carrots

A sugary vegetable. Look at the nutritional information on there, and

you

will there is like 6 grams of sugar per serving.

> cup of potato chips

Again these are pure refined carbs and converted into sugar.

> brown rice with ground beef and asparagus for dinner.

Good choice. Brown rice is technically a carb, but its one of the best

ones.

Better than white rice for sure. If you could skip the rice and do a

salad

instead, that would be ideal.

As far as modifications go, I would recommend more vegetables and less

fruits, sugars, and carbs. It took me a while to realize that simple

carbs

like rice and potato chips are converted into sugar in your gut, and

thus

should be avoided.

I live on:

- Salads! There's an Annie's Lemon and Chive salad dressing that is

vinegar

free. Its the only one I've found!

- Meats - chicken, beef, turkey, hotdogs (get the ones without sugar

added!)

- Thai food when I have to go out. Stir fried veggies, chicken, etc.

Hope this helps!

_jason_

_________ ________ _______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ _

[Guest guest]

There are no hard and fast rules as different people have different

approaches. I've also found it very confusing, but the best way we

found to work out what to eat was to experiment. It can be painful (and

has been), but you learn pretty quickly what your body will and will not

tolerate. That way you have a diet that you know works for you.

Keen

RE: Please critique my diet- thank you!

>>>from what I read kiwi is permissable as it has very little sugar

As a newbie who is just starting out on this journey I have to say the

more

I read the more confused I get. :-)

Between wholeapproach.com, .org, about.com,

johndommissemd.com, etc, there is so much conflicting info out there on

what

IS the appropriate diet to eliminate candida.

Some say yes to soy, other say no. Some say yes to nuts, others say no.

Some say yes to dairy cheese as long as you eat it hot, some say no

dairy at

all.

What have all of you done that has worked?

[Guest guest]

I have no idea why your diet excludes hummus and lentils as both are

good for you. But the diet we are on is in stages - stage 2 is the one

you can eat lentils and beans are only in stage 3 (there are 4 stages).

Hummus is made by mixing chick peas with olive oil, lemon juice and

garlic. You can make your own, it's very easy. Maybe you should ask

your nutritionist?

Keen

RE: Please critique my diet- thank you!

I avoid processed sugar and most starches and dairy. I have some fruit

for

fiber and also beans. I am not as well as I could be but I am trying. I

don't believe you can get all your nutrients from vitamins because I

have

read they are not fully absorbed. Leigh

Patti Cassalia <pcassalia@sbcglobal <mailto:pcassalia%40sbcglobal.net>

..net>

wrote: >>>my dietician told me that if you limit your diet too severely,

it

is hard

to recover.<<<

So what do you recommend?

[Guest guest]

I heard that a protein diet works. Have you tried to do that?

Maybe if you try it you'll notice your feeling better. I couldn't eat and

live with what you're doing. And if it doesn't work all you have to do is

get off, I can't see where it would hurt to try. But that's a guess on my

side.

Randi

> <<almond milk>> - did you read the label - what is in it?

> <<rice hot cereal>> - prepackaged? Make your own brown rice rather

[Guest guest]

Keen wrote:

>>My husband and I have managed to get our candida under control by eating

mostly just brown rice, vegetables (excluding sweet potato and sweet

corn) and chicken breast. We have leaky gut and IBS as well, so we

cannot eat many of the things on the normal anti-candida diet.

Brown rice has not been a problem for us.<<<

Good to hear, thanks. I have been following the diet for 5 days and feeling

so much better. I fell off the wagon last night and had 3 glasses of wine

and some tortilla chips. I feel like crap this morning so it's motivating

me not to do that again!

I also found some lactose free organic milk and cheese and my dietician says

these are fine. !! I can still make my latte in the morning without

rice milk.

Patti

[Guest guest]

>>>I have no idea why your diet excludes hummus and lentils as both are

good for you. But the diet we are on is in stages - stage 2 is the one

you can eat lentils and beans are only in stage 3 (there are 4 stages).

Hummus is made by mixing chick peas with olive oil, lemon juice and

garlic. You can make your own, it's very easy. Maybe you should ask

your nutritionist?<<<

I did ask her and she said the chick peas/garbanzo beans feed Candida.

I suppose once I'm doing well I could try it and see if it's something I'm

sensitive to.

[Guest guest]

Carrots may be one of the most sugary veggies, but for sure they're

the better and even tastier alternative to crunchy things made with

grain.

I eat a lot of carrots. I'm doing fine. But of course you have to

tailor this diet to yourself, so carrots may not work for you. If

you must have something crunchy, try some nuts (raw, that is).

>

> But, is there not an anomaly here. Rice (white especially?) is,

as you say,

> very starchy, as are all grains. Doesn't starch convert to sugars,

so loved

> by the candida bug?!

>

> So my thoughts (please correct me) on Beth's diet are -

>

> almond milk- presumably good

> rice hot cereal - rice=starch=sugar?

> grapes = fruit = sugar

> applegate hotdog = ! Full of chemicals, spices and other things

strongly

> not recomended for Candida diet

> refried beans - refried in what and how stored?

> half a almond butter and jam sandwich - jam! sandwich made with

bread =

> wheat (grain)?

> a kiwi = fruit = sugar

> handful of baby carrots - Carrots are amongst the most sugary veg?

> cup of potato chips - potatoes and what type of fat?

> brown rice with ground beef and asparagus for dinner - rice again

(OK brown

> not as bad but still surely starchy).

>

> These comments I've gleaned from this list over a considerable

time and

> www.wholeapproach.com (

> www.wholeapproach.com/diet/WholeApproach_Food_List.pdf ) and

others.

>

> The

> > only " starch " I can have is rice and rice products.

> >

> > Basically my diet says no sugar including fruit, no dairy, no

nuts, no

> > soy,

> > rice as the only grain, no lentils, no alcohol.

> >

> > Patti

> >

>