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> I started improving in 3-4 days, after a massive die-off that made

me very sick. In 6 months I had lost 50 lbs and was feeling perfect!

Yes, I used every kind of probiotic.

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Hi Steve,

What did you eat for protein?

Kol tuv,

>From: " Beth Fish " <bethafish@...>

>Reply-candidiasis

><candidiasis >

>Subject: Cured (was Threelac)

>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:06:31 -0500

>

>Hi Steve,

>

>Congrats on beating the Candida! Was wondering how long it took you to get

>cured? Did you take probiotics? Are you eating a normal diet or sticking

>with the Candida Diet?

>

>Beth

>

> Re: threelac

>

>

> Having Cured myself of candida yeast let me offer you this advise.

> Pay less attention to the various products offered as cures and focus

> on your diet. NO sugar, easy on the carbs(eat greens only)and take

> multi-vitamins and maybe an anti-bacterial like grapefruit seed

> extract. Welcome the die-off as proof your getting better, keep your

> system clean and be rid of the menace forever.

>

> Good Luck,

>

> steve

>

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 9/5/2006 11:35:01 AM Central Daylight Time,

smkahoo@... writes:

Hope your not a vegetarian. Animal protien and lots of it. Beef,

chicken, fish, eggs. Remember, nobody is allergic to animal protein.

People would be shocked at the amount of bacon and eggs I consumed,

but it worked. Once again, no sugar of any type and no wheat or corn

products.

Good luck,

steve

Hi Steve,

Thanks for this great info. Happy to read you licked the problem.

Are you able to eat anything now?

Also..... was your stomach ever swollen and painful from the candida ?

My stomach is so swollen and painful, I have to take pain pills that only

take the edge off a wee bit. Can anyone offer some suggestions on what I could

take to help ....( prefer cure this problem )

Also... has anyone had a problem with there spine being out of place, [or

the muscles] effecting the stomach to the point of swelling?

What does the group have to say about Threelac?

<><>kat<><>

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Hope your not a vegetarian. Animal protien and lots of it. Beef,

chicken, fish, eggs. Remember, nobody is allergic to animal protein.

People would be shocked at the amount of bacon and eggs I consumed,

but it worked. Once again, no sugar of any type and no wheat or corn

products.

Good luck,

steve

>

>

> Hi Steve,

>

> What did you eat for protein?

>

> Kol tuv,

>

>

>

> >From: " Beth Fish " <bethafish@...>

> >Reply-candidiasis

> ><candidiasis >

> >Subject: Cured (was Threelac)

> >Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:06:31 -0500

> >

> >Hi Steve,

> >

> >Congrats on beating the Candida! Was wondering how long it took

you to get

> >cured? Did you take probiotics? Are you eating a normal diet or

sticking

> >with the Candida Diet?

> >

> >Beth

> >

> > Re: threelac

> >

> >

> > Having Cured myself of candida yeast let me offer you this

advise.

> > Pay less attention to the various products offered as cures

and focus

> > on your diet. NO sugar, easy on the carbs(eat greens only)and

take

> > multi-vitamins and maybe an anti-bacterial like grapefruit seed

> > extract. Welcome the die-off as proof your getting better,

keep your

> > system clean and be rid of the menace forever.

> >

> > Good Luck,

> >

> > steve

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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" Remember, nobody is allergic to animal protein. "

People are commonly allergic to eggs and fish/shellfish.

It also isn't uncommon for people who can't tolerate cow's milk to also not

tolerate beef.

-Olif

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you are so wrong. many people are allegic to chicken, eggs, beef, seafood, etc.

smkahoo <smkahoo@...> wrote: Hope your not a vegetarian. Animal

protien and lots of it. Beef,

chicken, fish, eggs. Remember, nobody is allergic to animal protein.

People would be shocked at the amount of bacon and eggs I consumed,

but it worked. Once again, no sugar of any type and no wheat or corn

products.

Good luck,

steve

>

>

> Hi Steve,

>

> What did you eat for protein?

>

> Kol tuv,

>

>

>

> >From: " Beth Fish " <bethafish@...>

> >Reply-candidiasis

> ><candidiasis >

> >Subject: Cured (was Threelac)

> >Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:06:31 -0500

> >

> >Hi Steve,

> >

> >Congrats on beating the Candida! Was wondering how long it took

you to get

> >cured? Did you take probiotics? Are you eating a normal diet or

sticking

> >with the Candida Diet?

> >

> >Beth

> >

> > Re: threelac

> >

> >

> > Having Cured myself of candida yeast let me offer you this

advise.

> > Pay less attention to the various products offered as cures

and focus

> > on your diet. NO sugar, easy on the carbs(eat greens only)and

take

> > multi-vitamins and maybe an anti-bacterial like grapefruit seed

> > extract. Welcome the die-off as proof your getting better,

keep your

> > system clean and be rid of the menace forever.

> >

> > Good Luck,

> >

> > steve

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> In a message dated 9/5/2006 11:35:01 AM Central Daylight Time,

> smkahoo@... writes:

> Hope your not a vegetarian. Animal protien and lots of it. Beef,

> chicken, fish, eggs. Remember, nobody is allergic to animal

protein.

> People would be shocked at the amount of bacon and eggs I consumed,

> but it worked. Once again, no sugar of any type and no wheat or

corn

> products.

>

> Good luck,

>

> steve

> Hi Steve,

> Thanks for this great info. Happy to read you licked the problem.

> Are you able to eat anything now?

> Also..... was your stomach ever swollen and painful from the

candida ?

>

> My stomach is so swollen and painful, I have to take pain pills

that only

> take the edge off a wee bit. Can anyone offer some suggestions on

what I could

> take to help ....( prefer cure this problem )

>

> Also... has anyone had a problem with there spine being out of

place, [or

> the muscles] effecting the stomach to the point of swelling?

>

> What does the group have to say about Threelac?

> <><>kat<><>

>

>

>

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And even if you aren't allergic to the animal protein (I'm allergic to

fish), the animal fat is horrible for those suffering from IBS. I can't

touch anything with animal fat - I only eat chicken breast, turkey

breast and ostrich.

While eating meat is a good thing, especially if you need the calories,

caution should be exercised as there are many reasons why meat could be

bad for you - growth hormones and antibiotic use in conventionally

farmed animals for a start.

Keen

Cured (was Threelac)

> >Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:06:31 -0500

> >

> >Hi Steve,

> >

> >Congrats on beating the Candida! Was wondering how long it took

you to get

> >cured? Did you take probiotics? Are you eating a normal diet or

sticking

> >with the Candida Diet?

> >

> >Beth

> >

> > Re: threelac

> >

> >

> > Having Cured myself of candida yeast let me offer you this

advise.

> > Pay less attention to the various products offered as cures

and focus

> > on your diet. NO sugar, easy on the carbs(eat greens only)and

take

> > multi-vitamins and maybe an anti-bacterial like grapefruit seed

> > extract. Welcome the die-off as proof your getting better,

keep your

> > system clean and be rid of the menace forever.

> >

> > Good Luck,

> >

> > steve

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You

should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people), and

take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli, brussel

sprouts.

Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers are

likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida grow.

Keen

Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac)

In a message dated 9/5/2006 11:35:01 AM Central Daylight Time,

smkahoo@... writes:

Hope your not a vegetarian. Animal protien and lots of it. Beef,

chicken, fish, eggs. Remember, nobody is allergic to animal protein.

People would be shocked at the amount of bacon and eggs I consumed,

but it worked. Once again, no sugar of any type and no wheat or corn

products.

Good luck,

steve

Hi Steve,

Thanks for this great info. Happy to read you licked the problem.

Are you able to eat anything now?

Also..... was your stomach ever swollen and painful from the candida ?

My stomach is so swollen and painful, I have to take pain pills that

only

take the edge off a wee bit. Can anyone offer some suggestions on what I

could

take to help ....( prefer cure this problem )

Also... has anyone had a problem with there spine being out of place,

[or

the muscles] effecting the stomach to the point of swelling?

What does the group have to say about Threelac?

<><>kat<><>

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Oh really, I never knew the connection. I haven't had beef in nearly a

year, but I'll bear that in mind. Thanks, Olif.

Keen

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" Remember, nobody is allergic to animal protein. "

People are commonly allergic to eggs and fish/shellfish.

It also isn't uncommon for people who can't tolerate cow's milk to also

not tolerate beef.

-Olif

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Correction: Indeed, some people are alergic to shellfish, eggs and

some animal protien, but very few. Be careful, there are many

vegetarians and animal rights enthusiasts who greatly exaggerate the

problem. And again, for those with candida, the best cure of all is

meat, eggs, green veggies, and NO sugar or wheat. Might also mention

that a high protien diet will improve your skin and hair and if you

work out you will create muscle you never had before.

Steve

>

> " Remember, nobody is allergic to animal protein. "

>

> People are commonly allergic to eggs and fish/shellfish.

>

> It also isn't uncommon for people who can't tolerate cow's milk to

also not tolerate beef.

>

> -Olif

>

>

>

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That's nonsense. Vegetarians (and I've known quite a few and have been

one myself) don't care if you eat meat, usually. Some are a little

loopy, but most aren't really interested, as long as they don't have to

eat it.

As for very few people having problems with meat, that's also nonsense.

Anyone could have a sensitivity (note, not an allergy, a sensitivity) to

meat of any kind. If you have leaky gut, you can develop a sensitivity

to anything you are eating.

Keen

Re: Cured (was Threelac)

Correction: Indeed, some people are alergic to shellfish, eggs and

some animal protien, but very few. Be careful, there are many

vegetarians and animal rights enthusiasts who greatly exaggerate the

problem. And again, for those with candida, the best cure of all is

meat, eggs, green veggies, and NO sugar or wheat. Might also mention

that a high protien diet will improve your skin and hair and if you

work out you will create muscle you never had before.

Steve

>

> " Remember, nobody is allergic to animal protein. "

>

> People are commonly allergic to eggs and fish/shellfish.

>

> It also isn't uncommon for people who can't tolerate cow's milk to

also not tolerate beef.

>

> -Olif

>

>

>

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i'm surprised at this. the consumption of meat is horrible for the body, not to

mention completely compassionless.

Keen Venables <kvenables@...> wrote: And even if you aren't

allergic to the animal protein (I'm allergic to

fish), the animal fat is horrible for those suffering from IBS. I can't

touch anything with animal fat - I only eat chicken breast, turkey

breast and ostrich.

While eating meat is a good thing, especially if you need the calories,

caution should be exercised as there are many reasons why meat could be

bad for you - growth hormones and antibiotic use in conventionally

farmed animals for a start.

Keen

Cured (was Threelac)

> >Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:06:31 -0500

> >

> >Hi Steve,

> >

> >Congrats on beating the Candida! Was wondering how long it took

you to get

> >cured? Did you take probiotics? Are you eating a normal diet or

sticking

> >with the Candida Diet?

> >

> >Beth

> >

> > Re: threelac

> >

> >

> > Having Cured myself of candida yeast let me offer you this

advise.

> > Pay less attention to the various products offered as cures

and focus

> > on your diet. NO sugar, easy on the carbs(eat greens only)and

take

> > multi-vitamins and maybe an anti-bacterial like grapefruit seed

> > extract. Welcome the die-off as proof your getting better,

keep your

> > system clean and be rid of the menace forever.

> >

> > Good Luck,

> >

> > steve

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not

involved in IBS.

If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the

adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's

called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling

is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas.

The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter

and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as

something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also,

transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the

colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in

volume.

Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more

like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged

lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the

upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have

dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO.

Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key

to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms

but not the infection itself.

Duncan

> Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenables@...

> Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT)

>

> If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You

> should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people),

> and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli,

> brussel sprouts.

>

> Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers

> are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida

> grow.

>

> Keen

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The stomach can fill up with gas produced in the intestines if you are eating

sugars and starches that are not digested. The stomach can be irritated if you

are immune compromised and H.Pylori are overabundant. I had an immunologist

tell me that H.pylori or helicobactor can thrive on High Fructose Corn Syrup. I

have not looked into that. Duncan what do you think?

Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: I'd be

careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not

involved in IBS.

If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the

adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's

called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling

is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas.

The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter

and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as

something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also,

transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the

colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in

volume.

Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more

like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged

lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the

upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have

dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO.

Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key

to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms

but not the infection itself.

Duncan

> Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenables@...

> Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT)

>

> If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You

> should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people),

> and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli,

> brussel sprouts.

>

> Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers

> are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida

> grow.

>

> Keen

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What is SIBO?

Keen

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I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not

involved in IBS.

If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the

adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's

called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling

is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas.

The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter

and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as

something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also,

transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the

colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in

volume.

Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more

like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged

lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the

upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have

dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO.

Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key

to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms

but not the infection itself.

Duncan

> Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenables@...

> Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT)

>

> If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You

> should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people),

> and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli,

> brussel sprouts.

>

> Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers

> are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida

> grow.

>

> Keen

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The greatest fraud in nutrition has been the selling of low fat

diets to the public. Notice the comeback of eggs again being

recognized as a great source of food for the body. Eating meat is

not compassionless, it is accepting how humans came to survive and

can continue to be healthy. How could meat possibley be " horrible

for the body " , if we have lived so well with it. And in fact the

history of most disease is more closely associated wtith the advent

of growing grain and making bread. Wheat is a grass and we are not

meant to live on grass. Every breast cancer victim I have known was

a thin woman trying to live on salads and a low fat diet.

steve

>

> i'm surprised at this. the consumption of meat is horrible for

the body, not to mention completely compassionless.

>

> Keen Venables <kvenables@...> wrote: And even if you

aren't allergic to the animal protein (I'm allergic to

> fish), the animal fat is horrible for those suffering from IBS. I

can't

> touch anything with animal fat - I only eat chicken breast, turkey

> breast and ostrich.

>

> While eating meat is a good thing, especially if you need the

calories,

> caution should be exercised as there are many reasons why meat

could be

> bad for you - growth hormones and antibiotic use in conventionally

> farmed animals for a start.

>

> Keen

>

> Cured (was Threelac)

> > >Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:06:31 -0500

> > >

> > >Hi Steve,

> > >

> > >Congrats on beating the Candida! Was wondering how long it took

> you to get

> > >cured? Did you take probiotics? Are you eating a normal diet or

> sticking

> > >with the Candida Diet?

> > >

> > >Beth

> > >

> > > Re: threelac

> > >

> > >

> > > Having Cured myself of candida yeast let me offer you this

> advise.

> > > Pay less attention to the various products offered as cures

> and focus

> > > on your diet. NO sugar, easy on the carbs(eat greens only)and

> take

> > > multi-vitamins and maybe an anti-bacterial like grapefruit seed

> > > extract. Welcome the die-off as proof your getting better,

> keep your

> > > system clean and be rid of the menace forever.

> > >

> > > Good Luck,

> > >

> > > steve

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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