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what is pre/pro?

Young <eyoung33@...> wrote: hi i'm doing the pre/pro,

zero carb intake, and a strict diet coupled

with detox baths and cranial adjustments to balance my body's

functionality....any further advise? i'm feeling almost perfect and know

it takes time but if your experience offers anything further i should

consider i am open! thanks so much.

Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac)

I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not

involved in IBS.

If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the

adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's

called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling

is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas.

The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter

and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as

something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also,

transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the

colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in

volume.

Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more

like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged

lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the

upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have

dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO.

Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key

to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms

but not the infection itself.

Duncan

> Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT)

<mailto:kvenables%40investec.co.za> co.za

> Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT)

>

> If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You

> should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people),

> and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli,

> brussel sprouts.

>

> Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers

> are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida

> grow.

>

> Keen

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pre and pro biotic (sorry was replying and using shorthand!)

Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac)

I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not

involved in IBS.

If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the

adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's

called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling

is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas.

The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter

and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as

something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also,

transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the

colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in

volume.

Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more

like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged

lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the

upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have

dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO.

Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key

to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms

but not the infection itself.

Duncan

> Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT)

<mailto:kvenables%40investec.co.za> co.za

> Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT)

>

> If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You

> should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people),

> and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli,

> brussel sprouts.

>

> Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers

> are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida

> grow.

>

> Keen

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Are you taking anti-fungals of any kind? They might help.

Keen

Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac)

I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not

involved in IBS.

If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the

adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's

called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling

is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas.

The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter

and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as

something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also,

transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the

colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in

volume.

Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more

like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged

lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the

upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have

dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO.

Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key

to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms

but not the infection itself.

Duncan

> Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT)

<mailto:kvenables%40investec.co.za> co.za

> Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT)

>

> If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You

> should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people),

> and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli,

> brussel sprouts.

>

> Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers

> are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida

> grow.

>

> Keen

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outside of the synbiotic i'm taking one called total yst redux. any

others you recommend? plus tons of oregano and garlic in my food.

Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac)

I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not

involved in IBS.

If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the

adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's

called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling

is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas.

The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter

and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as

something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also,

transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the

colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in

volume.

Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more

like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged

lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the

upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have

dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO.

Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key

to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms

but not the infection itself.

Duncan

> Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT)

<mailto:kvenables%40investec.co.za> co.za

> Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT)

>

> If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You

> should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people),

> and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli,

> brussel sprouts.

>

> Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers

> are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida

> grow.

>

> Keen

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, your next step may consider whether you have systemic or

bowel candida. If systemic, there's a lot you can do to get your

immune response up.

Immune response and detoxification absolutely relies on

glutathione and to a lesser degree the rest of your antioxidant

(and detoxification) pool. Glutathione precursors are found in

undenatured whey. Take it with selenium 200-600 mcg.

Immune response also relies on the messages that tweak and direct

it; you can increase that with Transfer Factor Plus Advanced

Formula, which communicates information that gives immunity to

specific pathogens, including candida, in addition to increasing

the NK cells that need no such instruction. Further, a third

factor in it modifies an over-reactive immune system, useful if

someone has autoimmune disorders.

If anyone needs more depth, private contact is OK, folks, and go

ahead and forward any of my posts. As you'll see I usually show

my work, and I always include plenty of keywords to jump-start

your own research.

Duncan Crow

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/

> Posted by: " Young " eyoung33@... ooobahhh

> Date: Wed Sep 6, 2006 5:52 pm (PDT)

>

> hi i'm doing the pre/pro, zero carb intake, and a strict diet coupled

> with detox baths and cranial adjustments to balance my body's

> functionality....any further advise? i'm feeling almost perfect and

> know it takes time but if your experience offers anything further i

> should consider i am open! thanks so much.

>

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This is great Duncan. I actually self prescribed selenium and glutahione

but the other I had not been aware of. Thanks for the validation I'm

doing it right and adding more for me to look into! It's really exciting

to overcome all of this in such a natural manner. Thanks Duncan.

Re: Cured Advice

, your next step may consider whether you have systemic or

bowel candida. If systemic, there's a lot you can do to get your

immune response up.

Immune response and detoxification absolutely relies on

glutathione and to a lesser degree the rest of your antioxidant

(and detoxification) pool. Glutathione precursors are found in

undenatured whey. Take it with selenium 200-600 mcg.

Immune response also relies on the messages that tweak and direct

it; you can increase that with Transfer Factor Plus Advanced

Formula, which communicates information that gives immunity to

specific pathogens, including candida, in addition to increasing

the NK cells that need no such instruction. Further, a third

factor in it modifies an over-reactive immune system, useful if

someone has autoimmune disorders.

If anyone needs more depth, private contact is OK, folks, and go

ahead and forward any of my posts. As you'll see I usually show

my work, and I always include plenty of keywords to jump-start

your own research.

Duncan Crow

http://members. <http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/> shaw.ca/duncancrow/

> Posted by: " Young " eyoung33austin (DOT)

<mailto:eyoung33%40austin.rr.com> rr.com ooobahhh

> Date: Wed Sep 6, 2006 5:52 pm (PDT)

>

> hi i'm doing the pre/pro, zero carb intake, and a strict diet coupled

> with detox baths and cranial adjustments to balance my body's

> functionality....any further advise? i'm feeling almost perfect and

> know it takes time but if your experience offers anything further i

> should consider i am open! thanks so much.

>

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What's a synbiotic?

I take pau d'arco, grapefruit seed extract and caprylic acid (on a one

month rotation).

Also, do you have the garlic raw or cooked?

Keen

Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac)

I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not

involved in IBS.

If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the

adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's

called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling

is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas.

The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter

and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as

something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also,

transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the

colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in

volume.

Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more

like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged

lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the

upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have

dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO.

Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key

to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms

but not the infection itself.

Duncan

> Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT)

<mailto:kvenables%40investec.co.za> co.za

> Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT)

>

> If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You

> should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people),

> and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli,

> brussel sprouts.

>

> Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers

> are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida

> grow.

>

> Keen

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synbiotic - combined pre and probiotic.

pau d'arco - had heard that and will try! doing the other stuff.

garlic - both cooked and raw. raw is better though, right? what's the

reasoning?

thanks!

Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac)

I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not

involved in IBS.

If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the

adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's

called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling

is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas.

The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter

and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as

something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also,

transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the

colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in

volume.

Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more

like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged

lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the

upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have

dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO.

Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key

to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms

but not the infection itself.

Duncan

> Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT)

<mailto:kvenables%40investec.co.za> co.za

> Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT)

>

> If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You

> should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people),

> and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli,

> brussel sprouts.

>

> Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers

> are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida

> grow.

>

> Keen

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, good on the selenium, not good on the oral glutathione,

which is digested without raising cellular glutathione; IV

glutathione is good in the blood but still doesn't enter cell

where more than 90% is needed.

You need glutathione precursors, that's why I keep recommending

cold-extracted whey powder; it's the biggest source of these

precursors, and it's natural ;)

Duncan Crow

On 8 Sep 2006 at 13:14, candidiasis wrote:

>

> Posted by: " Young " eyoung33@... ooobahhh

> Date: Thu Sep 7, 2006 9:03 am (PDT)

>

> This is great Duncan. I actually self prescribed selenium and

> glutahione but the other I had not been aware of. Thanks for the

> validation I'm doing it right and adding more for me to look into!

> It's really exciting to overcome all of this in such a natural manner.

> Thanks Duncan.

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i'm learning so much! thanks duncan.

Re: Re: Cured Advice

, good on the selenium, not good on the oral glutathione,

which is digested without raising cellular glutathione; IV

glutathione is good in the blood but still doesn't enter cell

where more than 90% is needed.

You need glutathione precursors, that's why I keep recommending

cold-extracted whey powder; it's the biggest source of these

precursors, and it's natural ;)

Duncan Crow

On 8 Sep 2006 at 13:14, candidiasis@

<mailto:candidiasis%40> wrote:

>

> Posted by: " Young " eyoung33austin (DOT)

<mailto:eyoung33%40austin.rr.com> rr.com ooobahhh

> Date: Thu Sep 7, 2006 9:03 am (PDT)

>

> This is great Duncan. I actually self prescribed selenium and

> glutahione but the other I had not been aware of. Thanks for the

> validation I'm doing it right and adding more for me to look into!

> It's really exciting to overcome all of this in such a natural manner.

> Thanks Duncan.

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Raw garlic is better as the compound that kills candida gets destroyed

by cooking. However, the compounds that boost your immune system don't

get destroyed by cooking, so a mixture of both of them is how I do it.

Keen

Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac)

I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not

involved in IBS.

If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the

adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's

called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling

is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas.

The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter

and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as

something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also,

transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the

colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in

volume.

Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more

like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged

lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the

upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have

dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO.

Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key

to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms

but not the infection itself.

Duncan

> Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT)

<mailto:kvenables%40investec.co.za> co.za

> Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT)

>

> If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You

> should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people),

> and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli,

> brussel sprouts.

>

> Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers

> are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida

> grow.

>

> Keen

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