Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 what is pre/pro? Young <eyoung33@...> wrote: hi i'm doing the pre/pro, zero carb intake, and a strict diet coupled with detox baths and cranial adjustments to balance my body's functionality....any further advise? i'm feeling almost perfect and know it takes time but if your experience offers anything further i should consider i am open! thanks so much. Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac) I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not involved in IBS. If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas. The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also, transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in volume. Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO. Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms but not the infection itself. Duncan > Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT) <mailto:kvenables%40investec.co.za> co.za > Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT) > > If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You > should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people), > and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli, > brussel sprouts. > > Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers > are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida > grow. > > Keen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 pre and pro biotic (sorry was replying and using shorthand!) Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac) I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not involved in IBS. If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas. The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also, transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in volume. Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO. Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms but not the infection itself. Duncan > Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT) <mailto:kvenables%40investec.co.za> co.za > Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT) > > If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You > should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people), > and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli, > brussel sprouts. > > Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers > are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida > grow. > > Keen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Are you taking anti-fungals of any kind? They might help. Keen Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac) I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not involved in IBS. If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas. The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also, transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in volume. Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO. Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms but not the infection itself. Duncan > Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT) <mailto:kvenables%40investec.co.za> co.za > Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT) > > If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You > should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people), > and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli, > brussel sprouts. > > Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers > are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida > grow. > > Keen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 outside of the synbiotic i'm taking one called total yst redux. any others you recommend? plus tons of oregano and garlic in my food. Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac) I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not involved in IBS. If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas. The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also, transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in volume. Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO. Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms but not the infection itself. Duncan > Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT) <mailto:kvenables%40investec.co.za> co.za > Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT) > > If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You > should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people), > and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli, > brussel sprouts. > > Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers > are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida > grow. > > Keen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 , your next step may consider whether you have systemic or bowel candida. If systemic, there's a lot you can do to get your immune response up. Immune response and detoxification absolutely relies on glutathione and to a lesser degree the rest of your antioxidant (and detoxification) pool. Glutathione precursors are found in undenatured whey. Take it with selenium 200-600 mcg. Immune response also relies on the messages that tweak and direct it; you can increase that with Transfer Factor Plus Advanced Formula, which communicates information that gives immunity to specific pathogens, including candida, in addition to increasing the NK cells that need no such instruction. Further, a third factor in it modifies an over-reactive immune system, useful if someone has autoimmune disorders. If anyone needs more depth, private contact is OK, folks, and go ahead and forward any of my posts. As you'll see I usually show my work, and I always include plenty of keywords to jump-start your own research. Duncan Crow http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/ > Posted by: " Young " eyoung33@... ooobahhh > Date: Wed Sep 6, 2006 5:52 pm (PDT) > > hi i'm doing the pre/pro, zero carb intake, and a strict diet coupled > with detox baths and cranial adjustments to balance my body's > functionality....any further advise? i'm feeling almost perfect and > know it takes time but if your experience offers anything further i > should consider i am open! thanks so much. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 This is great Duncan. I actually self prescribed selenium and glutahione but the other I had not been aware of. Thanks for the validation I'm doing it right and adding more for me to look into! It's really exciting to overcome all of this in such a natural manner. Thanks Duncan. Re: Cured Advice , your next step may consider whether you have systemic or bowel candida. If systemic, there's a lot you can do to get your immune response up. Immune response and detoxification absolutely relies on glutathione and to a lesser degree the rest of your antioxidant (and detoxification) pool. Glutathione precursors are found in undenatured whey. Take it with selenium 200-600 mcg. Immune response also relies on the messages that tweak and direct it; you can increase that with Transfer Factor Plus Advanced Formula, which communicates information that gives immunity to specific pathogens, including candida, in addition to increasing the NK cells that need no such instruction. Further, a third factor in it modifies an over-reactive immune system, useful if someone has autoimmune disorders. If anyone needs more depth, private contact is OK, folks, and go ahead and forward any of my posts. As you'll see I usually show my work, and I always include plenty of keywords to jump-start your own research. Duncan Crow http://members. <http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/> shaw.ca/duncancrow/ > Posted by: " Young " eyoung33austin (DOT) <mailto:eyoung33%40austin.rr.com> rr.com ooobahhh > Date: Wed Sep 6, 2006 5:52 pm (PDT) > > hi i'm doing the pre/pro, zero carb intake, and a strict diet coupled > with detox baths and cranial adjustments to balance my body's > functionality....any further advise? i'm feeling almost perfect and > know it takes time but if your experience offers anything further i > should consider i am open! thanks so much. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 What's a synbiotic? I take pau d'arco, grapefruit seed extract and caprylic acid (on a one month rotation). Also, do you have the garlic raw or cooked? Keen Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac) I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not involved in IBS. If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas. The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also, transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in volume. Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO. Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms but not the infection itself. Duncan > Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT) <mailto:kvenables%40investec.co.za> co.za > Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT) > > If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You > should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people), > and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli, > brussel sprouts. > > Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers > are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida > grow. > > Keen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 synbiotic - combined pre and probiotic. pau d'arco - had heard that and will try! doing the other stuff. garlic - both cooked and raw. raw is better though, right? what's the reasoning? thanks! Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac) I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not involved in IBS. If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas. The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also, transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in volume. Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO. Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms but not the infection itself. Duncan > Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT) <mailto:kvenables%40investec.co.za> co.za > Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT) > > If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You > should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people), > and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli, > brussel sprouts. > > Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers > are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida > grow. > > Keen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 , good on the selenium, not good on the oral glutathione, which is digested without raising cellular glutathione; IV glutathione is good in the blood but still doesn't enter cell where more than 90% is needed. You need glutathione precursors, that's why I keep recommending cold-extracted whey powder; it's the biggest source of these precursors, and it's natural Duncan Crow On 8 Sep 2006 at 13:14, candidiasis wrote: > > Posted by: " Young " eyoung33@... ooobahhh > Date: Thu Sep 7, 2006 9:03 am (PDT) > > This is great Duncan. I actually self prescribed selenium and > glutahione but the other I had not been aware of. Thanks for the > validation I'm doing it right and adding more for me to look into! > It's really exciting to overcome all of this in such a natural manner. > Thanks Duncan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 i'm learning so much! thanks duncan. Re: Re: Cured Advice , good on the selenium, not good on the oral glutathione, which is digested without raising cellular glutathione; IV glutathione is good in the blood but still doesn't enter cell where more than 90% is needed. You need glutathione precursors, that's why I keep recommending cold-extracted whey powder; it's the biggest source of these precursors, and it's natural Duncan Crow On 8 Sep 2006 at 13:14, candidiasis@ <mailto:candidiasis%40> wrote: > > Posted by: " Young " eyoung33austin (DOT) <mailto:eyoung33%40austin.rr.com> rr.com ooobahhh > Date: Thu Sep 7, 2006 9:03 am (PDT) > > This is great Duncan. I actually self prescribed selenium and > glutahione but the other I had not been aware of. Thanks for the > validation I'm doing it right and adding more for me to look into! > It's really exciting to overcome all of this in such a natural manner. > Thanks Duncan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Raw garlic is better as the compound that kills candida gets destroyed by cooking. However, the compounds that boost your immune system don't get destroyed by cooking, so a mixture of both of them is how I do it. Keen Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac) I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not involved in IBS. If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas. The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also, transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in volume. Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO. Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms but not the infection itself. Duncan > Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT) <mailto:kvenables%40investec.co.za> co.za > Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT) > > If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You > should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people), > and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli, > brussel sprouts. > > Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers > are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida > grow. > > Keen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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