RE: Bee's group and dietary recommendations.....?

[Guest guest]

mmmmm lard lol that's absolutely disgusting...200g of fat A DAY? i'm no

nutritionist or expert or whatever but i know enough to know that's not right...

it makes me more nauseous just thinking about that much butter and a bucket of

lard...lovely...

shefy

dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother@...> wrote:

I joined Bee's group to see what all the fuss was about and I found

alot of the information to be very good and consistent with most other

stuff I have read. Overall the group seems like a very good group for

candida support, but I have found some things about it that don't

quite seem to fit.

When I joined I was emailed a document on how to start fighting

candida which I found to be pretty comprehensive and informative. But

there is a protocol for determining nutritional intake which I find a

bit bizarre and a bit unfeasible. And here it is:

" How to Calculate Ratios of Proteins to Fats/Oils to Carbs

Ratios of proteins to good fats/oils to carbs are calculated according

to " The Optimal Diet " formula, which is based on your height in

centimetres:

Take your height in inches, i.e. 5' 6 " = 66

Multiply your height in inches times 2.54 to get your height in

centimetres, i.e. 66 x 2.54 = 168.

Subtract 100 from your height in centimetres, i.e. 168 – 100 = 68.

Therefore 68 is the amount of protein grams you should eat daily.

Take your protein times 2.5 to calculate the lower range of fats/oils,

i.e. 68 x 2.5 = 169 grams of fats/oils.

Take your protein times 3.5 to calculate the higher range of

fats/oils, i.e. 68 x 2.5 = 237 grams of fats/oils.

Take your protein times .8 to calculate carbs, i.e. 68 x .8 = 54 grams

of carbs. If you are overweight take your protein times .5 to

calculate carbs, i.e. 68 x .5 = 34 grams of carbs. "

Okay, so my height is 5' 11 " . that means I am supposed to eat 80 g of

protein daily. First of all, I was eating more than that before I did

a low carb diet. Now that I am low carb, I would say I average over

150 g a day. Especially with the whey. Now where it gets crazy is

the fat. I am supposed to eat 200 g of a fat a day to reach my LOW

range. To give you an idea of what that entails, a tbsp of butter

general contains about 11 g of fat. There are 8 tbsp in a stick.

That means, I would have to eat over 2 sticks of butter a day just to

come close to my low range and well over 3 sticks to reach my high

range. To add to the problem, I can't eat butter anyway because I

have problems with casein.

Even in more fatty meats, amount of protein greatly outweighs amount

of fat. I can't eat eggs. She also recommends against other high fat

foods like avocado claiming that they have too many carbs even though

there is about 1.5 times as much fat as carbs in an avocado.

Unless I start eating lard out of a bowl like icecream, I can't really

see how I would acheive near these standards of intake which seem to

be at the base of Bee's who plan. Already I have lost confidence in

starting something so long term and rigorous since I already have to

ignore basic principles.

Thoughts?

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[Guest guest]

Ignore the detailed advise on diet and most advise on supplements.

It's simpler than most think. High protein, NO SUGAR of any kind

including fruits, low carb, green veggies and you may want to avoid

wheat products. Use olive oil when oils are used and for supplements

use lots of garlic, caprylic acid and grapefruit seed extract. And

exercize. That's about it.

Keep it simple but do not cheat on the diet. Not sure why you can't

eat eggs but it is almost a perfect food for this diet. Remember,

this is the only way you can get better so you maight have to do it.

May not take that long either, so tough it out and then add to your

diet as time goes on.

I would say you can forget about the overly detailed diet Bee

recommends but in general her approach is good. Don't even worry

about measuring food amounts, just eat the right foods. You will

probably still lose weight.

SJM

>

> I joined Bee's group to see what all the fuss was about and I found

> alot of the information to be very good and consistent with most

other

> stuff I have read. Overall the group seems like a very good group

for

> candida support, but I have found some things about it that don't

> quite seem to fit.

> When I joined I was emailed a document on how to start fighting

> candida which I found to be pretty comprehensive and informative.

But

> there is a protocol for determining nutritional intake which I

find a

> bit bizarre and a bit unfeasible. And here it is:

>

> " How to Calculate Ratios of Proteins to Fats/Oils to Carbs

>

> Ratios of proteins to good fats/oils to carbs are calculated

according

> to " The Optimal Diet " formula, which is based on your height in

> centimetres:

>

> Take your height in inches, i.e. 5' 6 " = 66

>

> Multiply your height in inches times 2.54 to get your height in

> centimetres, i.e. 66 x 2.54 = 168.

>

> Subtract 100 from your height in centimetres, i.e. 168 – 100 = 68.

> Therefore 68 is the amount of protein grams you should eat daily.

>

> Take your protein times 2.5 to calculate the lower range of

fats/oils,

> i.e. 68 x 2.5 = 169 grams of fats/oils.

>

> Take your protein times 3.5 to calculate the higher range of

> fats/oils, i.e. 68 x 2.5 = 237 grams of fats/oils.

>

> Take your protein times .8 to calculate carbs, i.e. 68 x .8 = 54

grams

> of carbs. If you are overweight take your protein times .5 to

> calculate carbs, i.e. 68 x .5 = 34 grams of carbs. "

>

> Okay, so my height is 5' 11 " . that means I am supposed to eat 80

g of

> protein daily. First of all, I was eating more than that before I

did

> a low carb diet. Now that I am low carb, I would say I average

over

> 150 g a day. Especially with the whey. Now where it gets crazy is

> the fat. I am supposed to eat 200 g of a fat a day to reach my LOW

> range. To give you an idea of what that entails, a tbsp of butter

> general contains about 11 g of fat. There are 8 tbsp in a stick.

> That means, I would have to eat over 2 sticks of butter a day just

to

> come close to my low range and well over 3 sticks to reach my high

> range. To add to the problem, I can't eat butter anyway because I

> have problems with casein.

>

> Even in more fatty meats, amount of protein greatly outweighs

amount

> of fat. I can't eat eggs. She also recommends against other high

fat

> foods like avocado claiming that they have too many carbs even

though

> there is about 1.5 times as much fat as carbs in an avocado.

>

> Unless I start eating lard out of a bowl like icecream, I can't

really

> see how I would acheive near these standards of intake which seem

to

> be at the base of Bee's who plan. Already I have lost confidence

in

> starting something so long term and rigorous since I already have

to

> ignore basic principles.

>

> Thoughts?

>

[Guest guest]

That sounds really ridiculous. I would not try to stick to a diet like

that, it sounds like it would make you fatter, not make you lose weight.

I have lost weight on a diet of vegetables, brown rice and chicken

breast. I have lost 55kg (121.25 pounds) on this diet in the last year.

Due to our bad IBS, my husband and I cannot tolerate animal fat at all.

Our only sources of fat are olive oil and avocado (which we eat quite a

lot of). We eat a fair amount of brown rice (not too much, but we must

get our calories from somewhere) and I know that a lot of people say

that our diet is wrong for Candida, but we have improved a lot (although

we would now be a lot better off if we didn't take a month off from

anti-fungals and allow our Candida to grow wildly again!). My husband's

depression has nearly disappeared, my problems with my sinuses are also

nearly gone (they were gone before our month off).

Everyone has to find the diet that works best for them and their

circumstances. If we could eat more meat (other than only chicken

breast, turkey breast and ostrich as the lowest fat meats), we would eat

less rice. However, we eat more vegetable than anything else.

Keen

Bee's group and dietary recommendations.....?

I joined Bee's group to see what all the fuss was about and I found

alot of the information to be very good and consistent with most other

stuff I have read. Overall the group seems like a very good group for

candida support, but I have found some things about it that don't

quite seem to fit.

When I joined I was emailed a document on how to start fighting

candida which I found to be pretty comprehensive and informative. But

there is a protocol for determining nutritional intake which I find a

bit bizarre and a bit unfeasible. And here it is:

" How to Calculate Ratios of Proteins to Fats/Oils to Carbs

Ratios of proteins to good fats/oils to carbs are calculated according

to " The Optimal Diet " formula, which is based on your height in

centimetres:

Take your height in inches, i.e. 5' 6 " = 66

Multiply your height in inches times 2.54 to get your height in

centimetres, i.e. 66 x 2.54 = 168.

Subtract 100 from your height in centimetres, i.e. 168 - 100 = 68.

Therefore 68 is the amount of protein grams you should eat daily.

Take your protein times 2.5 to calculate the lower range of fats/oils,

i.e. 68 x 2.5 = 169 grams of fats/oils.

Take your protein times 3.5 to calculate the higher range of

fats/oils, i.e. 68 x 2.5 = 237 grams of fats/oils.

Take your protein times .8 to calculate carbs, i.e. 68 x .8 = 54 grams

of carbs. If you are overweight take your protein times .5 to

calculate carbs, i.e. 68 x .5 = 34 grams of carbs. "

Okay, so my height is 5' 11 " . that means I am supposed to eat 80 g of

protein daily. First of all, I was eating more than that before I did

a low carb diet. Now that I am low carb, I would say I average over

150 g a day. Especially with the whey. Now where it gets crazy is

the fat. I am supposed to eat 200 g of a fat a day to reach my LOW

range. To give you an idea of what that entails, a tbsp of butter

general contains about 11 g of fat. There are 8 tbsp in a stick.

That means, I would have to eat over 2 sticks of butter a day just to

come close to my low range and well over 3 sticks to reach my high

range. To add to the problem, I can't eat butter anyway because I

have problems with casein.

Even in more fatty meats, amount of protein greatly outweighs amount

of fat. I can't eat eggs. She also recommends against other high fat

foods like avocado claiming that they have too many carbs even though

there is about 1.5 times as much fat as carbs in an avocado.

Unless I start eating lard out of a bowl like icecream, I can't really

see how I would acheive near these standards of intake which seem to

be at the base of Bee's who plan. Already I have lost confidence in

starting something so long term and rigorous since I already have to

ignore basic principles.

Thoughts?

[Guest guest]

On 10/5/06, dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother@...> wrote:

> Okay, so my height is 5' 11 " . that means I am supposed to eat 80 g of

> protein daily. First of all, I was eating more than that before I did

> a low carb diet. Now that I am low carb, I would say I average over

> 150 g a day. Especially with the whey. Now where it gets crazy is

> the fat. I am supposed to eat 200 g of a fat a day to reach my LOW

> range. To give you an idea of what that entails, a tbsp of butter

> general contains about 11 g of fat. There are 8 tbsp in a stick.

> That means, I would have to eat over 2 sticks of butter a day just to

> come close to my low range and well over 3 sticks to reach my high

> range. To add to the problem, I can't eat butter anyway because I

> have problems with casein.

The idea that one can figure out exactly what to eat based on one's

height strikes me as rather bizarre, so I have no idea if the

proportions given to you are correct for you. Nevertheless, your

protein really shouldn't reach over 30% of your calories, max, best

around 20%. The alternative, perhaps, is if you have certain problems

with your digestion that may lead to a higher protein requirement or a

difficulty with fat. Traditional diets that were nearly totally

carnivorous, like the Inuit diet, were 80-85% fat. When they had to

survive on lean protein like rabbit, they got ill -- which, according

to Steffanson, they referred to as " rabbit malaise. "

The balance should be made up in either fat, carbohydrate, or some

combination thereof. If you're low-carbing, it will follow that it be

made up primarily in fat.

Purity Farms sells a ghee (clarified butter) that is certified

casein-free. You might be able to use it without problems.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Keen,

> I have lost weight on a diet of vegetables, brown rice and chicken

> breast. I have lost 55kg (121.25 pounds) on this diet in the last year.

> Due to our bad IBS, my husband and I cannot tolerate animal fat at all.

Your situation is an individual situation by virtue of your specific

intolerances. In the absence of an intolerance to animal fat, its

virtue is that it is toxic to candida and tumor cells.

I think if you leave a slab of meat, lean or not, on the counter for a

few days and a tub of lard or some other purified fat as well, you'll

probably find the protein food ferments much faster.

And of course, we shouldn't forget coconut oil, which is incredibly

rich in candida-killing fats and is also easier to digest than most

other fats.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Hi Chris

Yes, our particular problems make our diet very difficult, as well as

very restrictive. I would be a very happy person if I could eat as most

people on here eat.

We tried coconut milk and couldn't tolerate it. I see that an extra

virgin coconut oil has started selling at my favourite health shop, but

it is very, very expensive and my poor pocket is already suffering from

all the expensive supplements we take. So that is unfortunately out.

Since you seem so knowledgeable, let me ask you something I'm

trying to fathom. How important are digestive enzymes - my husband

seems to need very strong ones or he gets terrible pain. On the other

hand, if I take the strong ones he takes, I get stomach cramps and

nausea. I'm wondering if this might mean something (what, unfortunately

I have no idea). From what I can gather, my husband's digestive system

is in a worse state than mine, his liver was quite bad at one point

(much improved now, though). Do you take digestive enzymes?

Thanks

Keen

Re: Bee's group and dietary recommendations.....?

Keen,

> I have lost weight on a diet of vegetables, brown rice and chicken

> breast. I have lost 55kg (121.25 pounds) on this diet in the last

year.

> Due to our bad IBS, my husband and I cannot tolerate animal fat at

all.

Your situation is an individual situation by virtue of your specific

intolerances. In the absence of an intolerance to animal fat, its

virtue is that it is toxic to candida and tumor cells.

I think if you leave a slab of meat, lean or not, on the counter for a

few days and a tub of lard or some other purified fat as well, you'll

probably find the protein food ferments much faster.

And of course, we shouldn't forget coconut oil, which is incredibly

rich in candida-killing fats and is also easier to digest than most

other fats.

Chris

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Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

[Guest guest]

Keen,

> We tried coconut milk and couldn't tolerate it.

I wouldn't generalize from coconut milk to coconut oil, because it

first has substantial amounts of sugar and second usually has various

gums added to it that can be problematic for people with dysbiosis;

sometimes the gums are not listed on the label.

> Since you seem so knowledgeable, let me ask you something I'm

> trying to fathom. How important are digestive enzymes - my husband

> seems to need very strong ones or he gets terrible pain. On the other

> hand, if I take the strong ones he takes, I get stomach cramps and

> nausea. I'm wondering if this might mean something (what, unfortunately

> I have no idea). From what I can gather, my husband's digestive system

> is in a worse state than mine, his liver was quite bad at one point

> (much improved now, though). Do you take digestive enzymes?

I do, and don't get problems from it. I'm not sure why they would

give you stomach cramping and nausea; I would guess one of the fillers

or the coating is giving you problems. I suppose it is also possible

that one enzyme or another has some cleaving activity that is cleaving

a protein your eating into some problematic peptide. If your

secretion of protective mucous in your stomach is insufficient,

perhaps the enzymes are harming your stomach lining. That seems the

least likely to me; the first possibility the most likely. But I'm

just throwing guess out in the dark.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

It isn't the fillers, this brand has none. Also, I had a weaker one

made by the same company (with about half the amount of enzymes) and

that gave me no problems at all.

I have switched to a different digestive enzyme and added zinc (equal to

the RDA of my country) and I seem to be doing much better on it. I

think, despite everyone telling me it is impossible, that the enzymes

were just too strong for me. My husband does very well on them, though.

Keen

Re: Bee's group and dietary recommendations.....?

Keen,

> We tried coconut milk and couldn't tolerate it.

I wouldn't generalize from coconut milk to coconut oil, because it

first has substantial amounts of sugar and second usually has various

gums added to it that can be problematic for people with dysbiosis;

sometimes the gums are not listed on the label.

> Since you seem so knowledgeable, let me ask you something I'm

> trying to fathom. How important are digestive enzymes - my husband

> seems to need very strong ones or he gets terrible pain. On the other

> hand, if I take the strong ones he takes, I get stomach cramps and

> nausea. I'm wondering if this might mean something (what,

unfortunately

> I have no idea). From what I can gather, my husband's digestive

system

> is in a worse state than mine, his liver was quite bad at one point

> (much improved now, though). Do you take digestive enzymes?

I do, and don't get problems from it. I'm not sure why they would

give you stomach cramping and nausea; I would guess one of the fillers

or the coating is giving you problems. I suppose it is also possible

that one enzyme or another has some cleaving activity that is cleaving

a protein your eating into some problematic peptide. If your

secretion of protective mucous in your stomach is insufficient,

perhaps the enzymes are harming your stomach lining. That seems the

least likely to me; the first possibility the most likely. But I'm

just throwing guess out in the dark.

Chris

--

The Truth About Cholesterol

Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com