RE: Re: Bee Wilder's Dogma - Old School

[Guest guest]

I agree with that natural food is the best medicine.

That being said, I have a problem with the assertion that

undenatured whey and powdered inulin, which are essentially just

dried extracts, are man-made " chemical foods " , and as such to be

avoided because they somehow just might make one unhealthy. One

can see right away that such a definition could leverage

believers' suspicions of a large variety of highly nutritious

foods because it puts them in the same category. We have relied

on dried and preserved foods for sustenance for eons.

But the view, illogical as it is, seems to be one of the

fundamental precepts of the Healing Crow dogma from which Bee in

turn gets her disinformation.

If just a few key erroneous precepts were corrected so the

overall approach was supported by the facts, there would be no

Healing Crow and no Specific Carbohydrate diet. Simple as that.

I can see where Bee is coming from too, but I can also see that

if she admitted the dogma was emotional, unscientific, and not up

for revision, and divested herself of her reliance on agenda

sites for her information, there would be no real difference

between the candidiasis and groups. That is,

except for her " shut up and don't correct me " rule, which is

particularly dangerous on its own merits because within her group

it prevents the acknowledgement of scientific revision as it

occurs.

By the way, the ancient Italians had a couple of sayings that

lauded the importance of whey for health; however, it takes

gallons of raw whey to get 1/4 of the dose we get in a cupful

when we make it from a powdered evaporate. Raw whey is very thin

and spoils very quickly without man's effort to peserve it, but

sure it's more natural.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Where would I find this group?

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From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of rpautrey2

Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 7:26 PM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: Bee Wilder's Dogma - Old School

I must admit that I am careful about the subject of my posts on Bee's

group. I have never tried to post my objection to harvested sea salt

and other concerns because I do not want to make trouble for myself.

Several times I was surprised that she posted my comments on certain

subjects. But in all fairness, I can see where she is coming from. I

am also, " Old School " : Natural Food Is The Best Medicene!

Autrey

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

-- In candidiasis@ <mailto:candidiasis%40> ,

" Alison Lorraine "

<alisonlorraine@...> wrote:

>

> I am also on the ever-increasing list of Bee's castaways.

>

> I was thrown off the list after discussing how too much meat can

lead

> to body acidity, which creates the environment where Candida and

> cancer can flourish. I've had them both and commented that Bee's

diet

> recommendations contained too much animal protein, after which I was

> thrown off her group entirely.

>

> With respect to nieema's suggestion, it's great that this group

allows

> freedom of speech, but if Bee's does not then it is certainly within

> reason to call her on it. In my experience every Candida sufferer

is

> different with different genetic makeup, emotional makeup,

> weaknesses/strengths, etc., and so it makes sense that what has

given

> me my health back to a large extent might not work exactly the same

> way for someone else.

>

> It is really important that we have freedom of choice and expression

> regarding this illness, especially with doctor denial and all the

> other stigma attached to it. Simply put, I can find no good excuse

> for Bee's behaviour.

>

> I will say that this group has really been essential for me,

because I

> see people sharing their honest opinions about what has really

worked

> for them, and my health is all the better because of it.

>

> Thanks nieema,

>

> Alison :-)

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Greetings All

> >

> > Well I am glad that this group is still looking into every nook

and

> cranny to find the truth...as they see it, about Candida.

> >

> > Bee's group is doing their own thing and this ones does its thing

too.

> >

> > How about if there is a subject title that helps people understand

> the things that are possibly harmful in the information given by her

> group.

> > Something like " or it could be!!! " Just something to not totally

> blast all the things she has written about, just the things that are

> of a concern...and let the group members make the choices,

given " ALL "

> the facts.

> >

> > What say you?

> >

> > nieema

>

[Guest guest]

Undenatured whey is one of the best things you can use according to Dr.

Cheney. I wonder though if people with milk allergy can use it.

Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: I agree with that natural

food is the best medicine.

That being said, I have a problem with the assertion that

undenatured whey and powdered inulin, which are essentially just

dried extracts, are man-made " chemical foods " , and as such to be

avoided because they somehow just might make one unhealthy. One

can see right away that such a definition could leverage

believers' suspicions of a large variety of highly nutritious

foods because it puts them in the same category. We have relied

on dried and preserved foods for sustenance for eons.

But the view, illogical as it is, seems to be one of the

fundamental precepts of the Healing Crow dogma from which Bee in

turn gets her disinformation.

If just a few key erroneous precepts were corrected so the

overall approach was supported by the facts, there would be no

Healing Crow and no Specific Carbohydrate diet. Simple as that.

I can see where Bee is coming from too, but I can also see that

if she admitted the dogma was emotional, unscientific, and not up

for revision, and divested herself of her reliance on agenda

sites for her information, there would be no real difference

between the candidiasis and groups. That is,

except for her " shut up and don't correct me " rule, which is

particularly dangerous on its own merits because within her group

it prevents the acknowledgement of scientific revision as it

occurs.

By the way, the ancient Italians had a couple of sayings that

lauded the importance of whey for health; however, it takes

gallons of raw whey to get 1/4 of the dose we get in a cupful

when we make it from a powdered evaporate. Raw whey is very thin

and spoils very quickly without man's effort to peserve it, but

sure it's more natural.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

thank you. do you sell immunocal???@...> wrote: Undenatured whey

quality varies with extraction method, resulting in

varying degrees of reaction or even none at all in sensitive people.

Many milk sensitive people are fine with undenatured whey

concentrate, and the higher quality and price isolates like Immunocal

or the three on my website hardly ever produce a reaction.

That even severely milk sensitive people tolerate Immunocal well

appears in the Physician's Desk Reference under Immunocal.

If you are allergic proper as in near death experience it's a whole

new ball game, but a sensitivity reaction is usually to lactose,

which can be stopped with an inulin program, and casein; both of

which have been removed from undenatured whey. Bovine immunoglobulins

sometimes also produce a reaction, and whey's vary there.

Duncan Crow

resc I agree with that

natural food is the best medicine.

>

> That being said, I have a problem with the assertion that

> undenatured whey and powdered inulin, which are essentially just

> dried extracts, are man-made " chemical foods " , and as such to be

> avoided because they somehow just might make one unhealthy. One

> can see right away that such a definition could leverage

> believers' suspicions of a large variety of highly nutritious

> foods because it puts them in the same category. We have relied

> on dried and preserved foods for sustenance for eons.

>

> But the view, illogical as it is, seems to be one of the

> fundamental precepts of the Healing Crow dogma from which Bee in

> turn gets her disinformation.

>

> If just a few key erroneous precepts were corrected so the

> overall approach was supported by the facts, there would be no

> Healing Crow and no Specific Carbohydrate diet. Simple as that.

>

> I can see where Bee is coming from too, but I can also see that

> if she admitted the dogma was emotional, unscientific, and not up

> for revision, and divested herself of her reliance on agenda

> sites for her information, there would be no real difference

> between the candidiasis and groups. That is,

> except for her " shut up and don't correct me " rule, which is

> particularly dangerous on its own merits because within her group

> it prevents the acknowledgement of scientific revision as it

> occurs.

>

> By the way, the ancient Italians had a couple of sayings that

> lauded the importance of whey for health; however, it takes

> gallons of raw whey to get 1/4 of the dose we get in a cupful

> when we make it from a powdered evaporate. Raw whey is very thin

> and spoils very quickly without man's effort to peserve it, but

> sure it's more natural.

>

> Duncan Crow

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's interesting. Don't you find it hard to digest? How do you eat

it - sliced very finely, I'm sure?

Keen

Re: Bee Wilder's Dogma - Old

School

Yeah, taking the natural food idea one step further is a population of

people who strongly believe that raw meat is the most nutritious and

healing food you can eat. While many of the leaders of this movement

are somewhat extremist(you would have to be to go so hard against the

grain of society), many of those willing to try a diet high in

uncooked meat have reported great results. There is a raw food group

on that I find to be an interesting read and I myself have

actually started incorperating raw beef into my diet and have slowly

actually began to prefer raw meat. It may sound crazy, but if you are

curious, google the name Aajonas Vonderplanitz or RVAF(raw vegetable

and animal food). Someone referred me these ideas on yet another

group about 5 months ago to help me with my reflux(I have been

all over trying everything to fix my problems). I know it's a bit

unrelated and very unconventional, but it all ties back into overall

health so I thought I'd post a different view about truely natural and

raw food.

Greg

> > >

> > > Greetings All

> > >

> > > Well I am glad that this group is still looking into every nook

> and

> > cranny to find the truth...as they see it, about Candida.

> > >

> > > Bee's group is doing their own thing and this ones does its thing

> too.

> > >

> > > How about if there is a subject title that helps people understand

> > the things that are possibly harmful in the information given by her

> > group.

> > > Something like " or it could be!!! " Just something to not totally

> > blast all the things she has written about, just the things that are

> > of a concern...and let the group members make the choices,

> given " ALL "

> > the facts.

> > >

> > > What say you?

> > >

> > > nieema

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

> By the way, the ancient Italians had a couple of sayings that

> lauded the importance of whey for health; however, it takes

> gallons of raw whey to get 1/4 of the dose we get in a cupful

> when we make it from a powdered evaporate. Raw whey is very thin

> and spoils very quickly without man's effort to peserve it, but

> sure it's more natural.

Raw whey from fermentation is almost unspoilable. If it spoils at

all, it takes months. When I used to make raw whey as a byproduct of

raw cream cheese, I found it a valuable fermentation starter and found

it to be a valuable cleaning agent. It's very good at getting smells

out of things; for example, if you want to reuse jars that have had,

say, salsa in them.

Chris

--

The Truth About Cholesterol

Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

> I'm not sure what your point is there Chris. I agree that raw whey

> from fermentation is worked out and is practically unspoilable.

Then I have no independent point. When you said " raw whey " I assumed

you meant traditionally produced raw whey.

> That

> would apply to the ancient use but whey doesn't come fermented today

It doesn't come raw either, does it?

> and not controlling the fermentation of course can't guarantee you'd

> get a healthy culture out of it because many organisms can use

> lactose; it depends on what starts the culture.

That's true, though in general if you begin with clean, fresh, raw

milk you get a good lactobacilli-based culture.

Chris

--

The Truth About Cholesterol

Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

[Guest guest]

Gotcha. No biggie... wasn't too large of a quibble anyway.

Chris

On 10/3/06, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> when I write " raw whey " I mean it as a synonym for udenatured.

> Sorry I wasn't as clear that time as I usually try to be.

>

> Today, raw undenatured whey is not normally a cultured product.

>

> Duncan

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[Guest guest]

I used to eat raw beef or chicken white meat and sometimes fresh fish because I

did like it and it never gave me any trouble until I got a tapeworm. Getting

rid of it was a real bear. That cured me of eating raw meat. But I still

salivate when I see a lovely cut of raw meat.

Ora

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:39:32 -0000, " dreaminginnoother "

<dreaminginnoother@...> wrote:

>Yeah, taking the natural food idea one step further is a population of

>people who strongly believe that raw meat is the most nutritious and

>healing food you can eat. While many of the leaders of this movement

>are somewhat extremist(you would have to be to go so hard against the

>grain of society), many of those willing to try a diet high in

>uncooked meat have reported great results. There is a raw food group

>on that I find to be an interesting read and I myself have

>actually started incorperating raw beef into my diet and have slowly

>actually began to prefer raw meat. It may sound crazy, but if you are

>curious, google the name Aajonas Vonderplanitz or RVAF(raw vegetable

>and animal food). Someone referred me these ideas on yet another

> group about 5 months ago to help me with my reflux(I have been

>all over trying everything to fix my problems). I know it's a bit

>unrelated and very unconventional, but it all ties back into overall

>health so I thought I'd post a different view about truely natural and

>raw food.

>

>Greg

>

>

>> > >

>> > > Greetings All

>> > >

>> > > Well I am glad that this group is still looking into every nook

>> and

>> > cranny to find the truth...as they see it, about Candida.

>> > >

>> > > Bee's group is doing their own thing and this ones does its thing

>> too.

>> > >

>> > > How about if there is a subject title that helps people understand

>> > the things that are possibly harmful in the information given by her

>> > group.

>> > > Something like " or it could be!!! " Just something to not totally

>> > blast all the things she has written about, just the things that are

>> > of a concern...and let the group members make the choices,

>> given " ALL "

>> > the facts.

>> > >

>> > > What say you?

>> > >

>> > > nieema

>> >

>>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan

Please say a bit more about magnesium peroxide and how it helps kill bad

bacteria.

Thanks

Keen

Re: Bee Wilder's Dogma - Old

School

Ulcerative colitis, Crohn's, iritable bowel syndrome, SIBO and candida

all result from dysbiosis, and leaky gut syndrome is also sure to be

present because the precondition is chronic irritation (also from the

dysbiosis) of the bowel lining.

I don't know what fungus odor smells like; the feces breath is

primarily fom exhaling methane, a natural product of the unruly

bacterial culture. The body has to get rid of it somehow.

Expect to recover; it takes awhile though.

Liver flushes, a strong antioxidant program including the whey and

selenium, natural antibacterials we've discussed will help.

I'm not sure if we've discussed this one -- how bout a separate thread

for Homozon and other magnesium peroxides? The products kill a lot of

bad gut bacteria and yeast very quickly, so make sure your

antioxidants are in place and your liver is flushed a few times to

handle the toxin load.

Duncan

> >Hello Mr. Duncan is ulcerative colitis the same as leaky gut

> syndrome. I will soon be receiving my inulin and whey what should i

> expect to see. Also does everyone who has leaky gut syndrome have

> feces breath and fungus odour.

>

[Guest guest]

Ora,

Who told you you got a tapeworm from eating raw meat? In the animal world,

animals get tapeworms by licking fleas and/or flea eggs off of their bodies,

*not* from eating raw meat. Just curious....

Marla

On 10/3/06, dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother@...> wrote:

>

> that is good to know. Thanks for the heads up. How did you find out

> you had a tape worm?

>

>

> >

> > I used to eat raw beef or chicken white meat and sometimes fresh

> fish because I

> > did like it and it never gave me any trouble until I got a tapeworm.

> Getting

> > rid of it was a real bear. That cured me of eating raw meat. But I

> still

> > salivate when I see a lovely cut of raw meat.

> >

> > Ora

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

From what I have read, humans usually get tape worms from raw meat.

Keen

Re: Re: Bee Wilder's Dogma - Old

School

Ora,

Who told you you got a tapeworm from eating raw meat? In the animal

world,

animals get tapeworms by licking fleas and/or flea eggs off of their

bodies,

*not* from eating raw meat. Just curious....

Marla

On 10/3/06, dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother@...> wrote:

>

> that is good to know. Thanks for the heads up. How did you find out

> you had a tape worm?

>

>

> >

> > I used to eat raw beef or chicken white meat and sometimes fresh

> fish because I

> > did like it and it never gave me any trouble until I got a tapeworm.

> Getting

> > rid of it was a real bear. That cured me of eating raw meat. But I

> still

> > salivate when I see a lovely cut of raw meat.

> >

> > Ora

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It shows up in feces as white segments about 1/4 inch long.

Ora

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:07:50 -0000, " dreaminginnoother "

<dreaminginnoother@...> wrote:

>that is good to know. Thanks for the heads up. How did you find out

>you had a tape worm?

>

[Guest guest]

People get them from eating raw beef, pork, etc.

Ora

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:59:18 -0700, Marla <busykitchen@...> wrote:

>Ora,

>

>Who told you you got a tapeworm from eating raw meat? In the animal world,

>animals get tapeworms by licking fleas and/or flea eggs off of their bodies,

>*not* from eating raw meat. Just curious....

>

>Marla