Re: olif--help I exhibit signs of adrenal fatigue

[Guest guest]

" having been on prednisone for most of the past year. my norephenrine is very

high and all the other neurotransmitters are out of balance. my doctor put me on

travacor at night. i am awfully fatigued when prednisone wears off. "

Prednisone can mess up your adrenals if you are on it long term.

I just realized that you are taking travacor! How long have you been taking it?

That is what I am taking from NeuroScience that increases your serotonin levels.

I take that in the p.m. I am taking adrecor in the a.m. and just recently

started excitacor. You need the opposite of excitacor if your norepinephrine is

high, I think. Travacor might be the opposite, though. Are you taking that in

the a.m. too? I only take it in the p.m. because I need the excitatory

supplements during the day. Did you also take a saliva cortisol test? What was

included in your test? Are you taking prednisone for arthritis?

-Olif

[Guest guest]

no i have not had a saliva test performed.

i have been on travacor for a couple of months.

is travacor the opposite of excitacor?

i am on steroids for asthma.

Olif <OVanPelt@...> wrote:

" having been on prednisone for most of the past year. my norephenrine

is very high and all the other neurotransmitters are out of balance. my doctor

put me on travacor at night. i am awfully fatigued when prednisone wears off. "

Prednisone can mess up your adrenals if you are on it long term.

I just realized that you are taking travacor! How long have you been taking it?

That is what I am taking from NeuroScience that increases your serotonin levels.

I take that in the p.m. I am taking adrecor in the a.m. and just recently

started excitacor. You need the opposite of excitacor if your norepinephrine is

high, I think. Travacor might be the opposite, though. Are you taking that in

the a.m. too? I only take it in the p.m. because I need the excitatory

supplements during the day. Did you also take a saliva cortisol test? What was

included in your test? Are you taking prednisone for arthritis?

-Olif

[Guest guest]

all the neurotranmitters were included.

Olif <OVanPelt@...> wrote: " having been on prednisone for most

of the past year. my norephenrine is very high and all the other

neurotransmitters are out of balance. my doctor put me on travacor at night. i

am awfully fatigued when prednisone wears off. "

Prednisone can mess up your adrenals if you are on it long term.

I just realized that you are taking travacor! How long have you been taking it?

That is what I am taking from NeuroScience that increases your serotonin levels.

I take that in the p.m. I am taking adrecor in the a.m. and just recently

started excitacor. You need the opposite of excitacor if your norepinephrine is

high, I think. Travacor might be the opposite, though. Are you taking that in

the a.m. too? I only take it in the p.m. because I need the excitatory

supplements during the day. Did you also take a saliva cortisol test? What was

included in your test? Are you taking prednisone for arthritis?

-Olif

[Guest guest]

NeuroScience offers a saliva cortisol test too along with DHEA. I think the

adrecor is primarily adressing my adrenals, because it says it is adrenal and

neurotransmitter support and the travacor and excitacor just say

neurortransmitter support.

Have you been retested at all? My ND says that I need to be tested every 2-3

months, because my supplements need to be changed as my neuortransmitter levels

change.

Your serotonin levels must have been low, right? There are 2 case studies on

their website at this link: https://neurorelief.com/index.php?major=292.293.296

Do your results look like case study #1? Mine resemble #2. If you read the case

studies, you will notice that they treat 3 phases. The first phase only lasts 2

weeks but the 2nd phase may last several months and the 3rd phase is to wean you

off. My ND is following a phase protocol like this one. It doesn't seem like

your doctor is doing that, and I don't know enough about it to know if it is

justified.

Travacor is listed as non-excitatory whereas excitaplus is excitatory, so is my

adrecor.

You can try contacting NeuroScience and see if your doctor is following their

protocol. I think they include recommendations with their test results. Did you

take their test or was it from another company? It was a urine test, right?

-Olif

[Guest guest]

Even though your are fatigued when you are off the prednisone, it is good that

you are off. prednisone is an immuno-suppressant. Now that you are not

suppressing your immune system it can work to control the candidiasis or any

other infections in your body. The reason you feel fatigued is that your immune

system releases histamines and other cytokines. Cytokines are important in

healing. They are actually produced by the immune cells that are fighting

infections and healing your body. One particular cytokine causes pain, so

infections are isolated and not spread by activity. Another particular cytokine

makes you sleep so that your body can concentrate on the process of healing.

Although prednisone suppresses the immune system and makes your feel like you

are better, the infections are allowed to get worse. Getting off of it I

imagine is hell for you. Hang in there and allow yourself to sleep as much as

possible.

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...> wrote:

having been on prednisone for most of the past year. my norephenrine is very

high and all the other neurotransmitters are out of balance. my doctor put me on

travacor at night. i am awfully fatigued when prednisone wears off.

Olif <OVanPelt@...> wrote: " I actually have tested my cortisol

and it is very very high...all day and night. "

You should do something now, because the next stage is adrenal exhaustion. The

pioneer of adrenal stress, Hans Selye (see his book The Stress of Life for

detailed info), has 4 stages for adrenal fatigue/stress adaptation. You are in

stage 2, where your body is trying to adapt and producing too much cortisol. In

stage 3, you can't adapt any longer and stage 4 is pretty much death from what I

understand. The elevated stage could last years, so you might have time, but you

may have been in this stage for years already and not known it. I think that was

the case for me. I can't believe your doctor didn't want to do anything! From

what I am seeing on the adrenal fatigue list, most doctors don't even recognize

it much less know what to do about it. Right now your adrenals are overproducing

cortisol trying to cope with stress. Eventually they won't be able to do this

any longer and you will crash. I am finding that once you reach the stage of

exhaustion, it is very difficult to

recover but not impossible. :-)

I think most importantly, you should remove any stress in your life that you

can. I know it is impossible to remove it all, but if you have something very

stressful, a certain job, etc., do what you can to change it. Take time daily to

relax (of course, if you are like me, that isn't a problem with so much

fatigue!).

I think diet also adds stress, especially if you have hidden food

sensitivities. If your adrenals are stressed, your digestion probably isn't

optimal. If you follow a strict candida diet and especially remove dairy, wheat,

and sugar, you are likely eliminating some food sensitivities right there. Other

common problem foods are egg, soy, and corn. Just eliminate and then add back in

to see if they are a problem for you. There are tests for this, but they are

expensive and really not necessary if you do an elimination diet. I never

realized I was sensitive to certain foods until I eliminated them for a few

weeks and tried eating them again. When I eliminated my food sensitivities, my

energy got slightly better but it wasn't enough to help my adrenals recover,

even though it has been a year. Since you are in stage 2, hopefully this will

take noticeable stress off your adrenals.

NeuroSceince Inc does testing for anxiety, as well, and gives appropriate amino

acid supplements for your levels. You might be high in some neurotransmitters

whereas I was low. You can also be low in some. The supplements contain free

form amino acids, vitamins, and minerals. They are hypo-allergenic. I wouldn't

think you would have a problem with them, but I guess anything is possible!

-Olif

[Guest guest]

I am still on prednisone and can not get off.

sylvia ledoux <ledouxrama@...> wrote: Even though your are

fatigued when you are off the prednisone, it is good that you are off.

prednisone is an immuno-suppressant. Now that you are not suppressing your

immune system it can work to control the candidiasis or any other infections in

your body. The reason you feel fatigued is that your immune system releases

histamines and other cytokines. Cytokines are important in healing. They are

actually produced by the immune cells that are fighting infections and healing

your body. One particular cytokine causes pain, so infections are isolated and

not spread by activity. Another particular cytokine makes you sleep so that your

body can concentrate on the process of healing.

Although prednisone suppresses the immune system and makes your feel like you

are better, the infections are allowed to get worse. Getting off of it I imagine

is hell for you. Hang in there and allow yourself to sleep as much as possible.

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...> wrote: having been on prednisone for

most of the past year. my norephenrine is very high and all the other

neurotransmitters are out of balance. my doctor put me on travacor at night. i

am awfully fatigued when prednisone wears off.

Olif <OVanPelt@...> wrote: " I actually have tested my cortisol and it is

very very high...all day and night. "

You should do something now, because the next stage is adrenal exhaustion. The

pioneer of adrenal stress, Hans Selye (see his book The Stress of Life for

detailed info), has 4 stages for adrenal fatigue/stress adaptation. You are in

stage 2, where your body is trying to adapt and producing too much cortisol. In

stage 3, you can't adapt any longer and stage 4 is pretty much death from what I

understand. The elevated stage could last years, so you might have time, but you

may have been in this stage for years already and not known it. I think that was

the case for me. I can't believe your doctor didn't want to do anything! From

what I am seeing on the adrenal fatigue list, most doctors don't even recognize

it much less know what to do about it. Right now your adrenals are overproducing

cortisol trying to cope with stress. Eventually they won't be able to do this

any longer and you will crash. I am finding that once you reach the stage of

exhaustion, it is very difficult to

recover but not impossible. :-)

I think most importantly, you should remove any stress in your life that you

can. I know it is impossible to remove it all, but if you have something very

stressful, a certain job, etc., do what you can to change it. Take time daily to

relax (of course, if you are like me, that isn't a problem with so much

fatigue!).

I think diet also adds stress, especially if you have hidden food sensitivities.

If your adrenals are stressed, your digestion probably isn't optimal. If you

follow a strict candida diet and especially remove dairy, wheat, and sugar, you

are likely eliminating some food sensitivities right there. Other common problem

foods are egg, soy, and corn. Just eliminate and then add back in to see if they

are a problem for you. There are tests for this, but they are expensive and

really not necessary if you do an elimination diet. I never realized I was

sensitive to certain foods until I eliminated them for a few weeks and tried

eating them again. When I eliminated my food sensitivities, my energy got

slightly better but it wasn't enough to help my adrenals recover, even though it

has been a year. Since you are in stage 2, hopefully this will take noticeable

stress off your adrenals.

NeuroSceince Inc does testing for anxiety, as well, and gives appropriate amino

acid supplements for your levels. You might be high in some neurotransmitters

whereas I was low. You can also be low in some. The supplements contain free

form amino acids, vitamins, and minerals. They are hypo-allergenic. I wouldn't

think you would have a problem with them, but I guess anything is possible!

-Olif

[Guest guest]

sylvia--I do not feel good. do i need to take a vitamine to help myself???

sylvia ledoux <ledouxrama@...> wrote:

Even though your are fatigued when you are off the prednisone, it is

good that you are off. prednisone is an immuno-suppressant. Now that you are not

suppressing your immune system it can work to control the candidiasis or any

other infections in your body. The reason you feel fatigued is that your immune

system releases histamines and other cytokines. Cytokines are important in

healing. They are actually produced by the immune cells that are fighting

infections and healing your body. One particular cytokine causes pain, so

infections are isolated and not spread by activity. Another particular cytokine

makes you sleep so that your body can concentrate on the process of healing.

Although prednisone suppresses the immune system and makes your feel like you

are better, the infections are allowed to get worse. Getting off of it I imagine

is hell for you. Hang in there and allow yourself to sleep as much as possible.

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...> wrote: having been on prednisone for

most of the past year. my norephenrine is very high and all the other

neurotransmitters are out of balance. my doctor put me on travacor at night. i

am awfully fatigued when prednisone wears off.

Olif <OVanPelt@...> wrote: " I actually have tested my cortisol and it is

very very high...all day and night. "

You should do something now, because the next stage is adrenal exhaustion. The

pioneer of adrenal stress, Hans Selye (see his book The Stress of Life for

detailed info), has 4 stages for adrenal fatigue/stress adaptation. You are in

stage 2, where your body is trying to adapt and producing too much cortisol. In

stage 3, you can't adapt any longer and stage 4 is pretty much death from what I

understand. The elevated stage could last years, so you might have time, but you

may have been in this stage for years already and not known it. I think that was

the case for me. I can't believe your doctor didn't want to do anything! From

what I am seeing on the adrenal fatigue list, most doctors don't even recognize

it much less know what to do about it. Right now your adrenals are overproducing

cortisol trying to cope with stress. Eventually they won't be able to do this

any longer and you will crash. I am finding that once you reach the stage of

exhaustion, it is very difficult to

recover but not impossible. :-)

I think most importantly, you should remove any stress in your life that you

can. I know it is impossible to remove it all, but if you have something very

stressful, a certain job, etc., do what you can to change it. Take time daily to

relax (of course, if you are like me, that isn't a problem with so much

fatigue!).

I think diet also adds stress, especially if you have hidden food sensitivities.

If your adrenals are stressed, your digestion probably isn't optimal. If you

follow a strict candida diet and especially remove dairy, wheat, and sugar, you

are likely eliminating some food sensitivities right there. Other common problem

foods are egg, soy, and corn. Just eliminate and then add back in to see if they

are a problem for you. There are tests for this, but they are expensive and

really not necessary if you do an elimination diet. I never realized I was

sensitive to certain foods until I eliminated them for a few weeks and tried

eating them again. When I eliminated my food sensitivities, my energy got

slightly better but it wasn't enough to help my adrenals recover, even though it

has been a year. Since you are in stage 2, hopefully this will take noticeable

stress off your adrenals.

NeuroSceince Inc does testing for anxiety, as well, and gives appropriate amino

acid supplements for your levels. You might be high in some neurotransmitters

whereas I was low. You can also be low in some. The supplements contain free

form amino acids, vitamins, and minerals. They are hypo-allergenic. I wouldn't

think you would have a problem with them, but I guess anything is possible!

-Olif

[Guest guest]

Leigh, aren't you on the gfcfnn (gluten free casein free native nutrition) list?

-Olif

[Guest guest]

no I am not. why??

Olif <OVanPelt@...> wrote: Leigh, aren't you on the gfcfnn

(gluten free casein free native nutrition) list?

-Olif