Re: parasites/energy healing

[Guest guest]

Hi Olif

I'd be careful about what he says. I don't know about the parasite vs

candida issue, I just know that the best way to tell if you have candida

is to take anti-fungals and, if you get die-off, you have candida. One

naturopath suggested that, if you suspect you are candida-free, take a

huge dosage of anti-fungals and, if you have no reaction, you are

candida-free (well relatively, as you have to have candida in your

intestines, but in balance).

As far as the probiotics feeding candida, that goes against everything I

have read. I have read in numerous websites (medical, naturopathic and

health products) and in The Yeast Syndrome that probiotics are the

enemies of candida. They kill the candida as they are their natural

predators. Also, candida needs specific conditions to thrive and

survive and probiotics (at least certain strains) like the opposite

conditions, which they try to create in your intestines, which also

kills candida. So I'd take the rest of what he says with a huge pinch

of salt.

I'm also hugely wary of people who have " miracle " ways of getting rid of

allergies or other problems. Anyone can create a machine that looks

impressive, but does nothing.

Keen

parasites/energy healing

I am reading a book called Allergies and Candida written by a physicist

turned naturopath (I think). I am not sure his name- it is upstairs and

I am lazy right now. :-) Anyway, he says that many people who suspect

candida are probably dealing with parasites instead. How do you know

other than testing?

He also says that probiotics are best used after killing candida because

the candida can live off the probiotics. Does anyone know anything about

that? He says the same about some supplements, particularly B-vitamins-

you are feeding the candida.

He uses some kind of muscle testing/energy balancing to eliminate

allergies. It reminds me of that one lady who uses something called a

" zapper. " Does anyone know what I am talking about and have any

comments? The first half of his book seemed very good with what I have

read about food allergies, candida, etc. Now I am getting into the

muscle testing and it is just " weird " to me. I have not yet read about

the exercises to balance your energies if they are off.

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Keen! Yes, he does seem to have a miracle way of healing all allergies.

If it really is a miracle way, I should have stumbled upon it long ago! Oh, he

is using biofeedback, which he says works similarly to a lie detector test but

involves the muscles. I really don't know anything about biofeedback. I might

try the techniques in the book (they don't involve a machine and he provides

instructions), because I don't have anything to lose, even money- it is a

library book, but I am very skeptical and feel goofy even trying it. I told dh

" not to tell anyone about this. " :-)

I honestly do not think I am getting any die-off. When I was throwing up a

couple weeks ago, I discovered it was due to a duck egg allergy (I can't have

chicken eggs and thought I would try duck). I am irritable today and thus

doubtful of any positive thought :-), so I suspect I ate something yesterday

that didn't agree with me, possibly tomatoes, although they haven't bothered me

before that I know of. I really need to make plans for a rotation diet or I fear

I am not going to have anything to eat.

I have also read that the yeast are supposed to be killed by the probiotics. I

just thought maybe someone heard what he claims is " the only book that will tell

you that. " That might be true, but for a different reason than he states. ;-)

What do you think a large amount of antifungals is? Triple what I am taking for

a day or more than that? Maybe I should try that when I don't have anything

planned for a couple of days. I am thinking about switching to olive leaf

extract, because that would kill parasites as well. I wonder if it kills viruses

too.

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

On 7/13/06 4:33 AM, " Olif " <OVanPelt@...> wrote:

> I am reading a book called Allergies and Candida written by a physicist turned

> naturopath (I think). I am not sure his name- it is upstairs and I am lazy

> right now. :-) Anyway, he says that many people who suspect candida are

> probably dealing with parasites instead. How do you know other than testing?

>

> He also says that probiotics are best used after killing candida because the

> candida can live off the probiotics. Does anyone know anything about that? He

> says the same about some supplements, particularly B-vitamins- you are feeding

> the candida.

>

> He uses some kind of muscle testing/energy balancing to eliminate allergies.

> It reminds me of that one lady who uses something called a " zapper. " Does

> anyone know what I am talking about and have any comments? The first half of

> his book seemed very good with what I have read about food allergies, candida,

> etc. Now I am getting into the muscle testing and it is just " weird " to me. I

> have not yet read about the exercises to balance your energies if they are

> off.

There is some truth to this. From what the recent Drs I have seen have told

me, most of the time there is something that is effecting the immune system

so that the Candida, leaky gut, etc can flourish. Candia alone is very

rarely only to blame. Parasites, bacterial, lyme disease, adrenal

exhaustion, etc are often at the core. In my case it's adrenal exhaustion

and an H.Pylori infection. If I don't treat the infection, I can take

antifungals and follow the diet for the rest of my life to no avail. But

yeah, you have to do the tests to figure this out. The stool analysis I

would say is the most important. Make sure it tests for all parasites as

well as H.Pylori.

And allergies most of the time stem from a weakened immune system as well.

So treating the allergies themselves seems like a waste of time. Get to the

source of the problem.

And re: biofeedback. Don't bother. Been there. Its interesting and all, but

a waste of time and money for sufferers like us. Its more of a controlling

brain waves and muscle use kind of thing.

Re: zapper. Sounds great in a sci-fi conceptual sense and I am sure it

has practical uses. But I haven't known anyone who has personally benefited

from it. Dr. Hudla would be the one who invented that.

_jason_

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[Guest guest]

Olif,

I agree with that there are usually other things going on in

the body that initially allow candida to flourish. When I was young

(between the ages of 2 and 6) my parents got sick with candida due

to drinking tank water from an unclean tank. I think the culprit was

e coli. I drank the same water, but didnt get sick like them because

I didnt drink much water when I was young. I do believe that created

a problem in my system though. As per a recent post I made about

olive leaf extract, I believe my problems then really started when I

got glandular fever when I was 17. Ever since I have suffered what

is arguably known as post viral syndrome. I've been getting a viral

affliction at least once every 3 months (often once a month) with

the same symptoms: swollen glands, extreme fever/chills, very

swollen/sore throat, fatigue, and depression/anxiety. Up until the

last year, I would be bedridden for a few days with this almost

monthly.

I had acupuncture fortnightly for about 8 months, which after 6

months started to help considerably with the viral stuff, but I had

never been eating a great diet and when I stopped getting

acupuncture I went through a phase of eating even worse. I knew a

lot about nutrition and health problems but didnt apply my knowledge

to myself because I was young and invincible! Although I hadn't felt

all that great for years, it wasn't preventing me from carrying out

my regular life so I ignored the fact that I wasn't feeling as well

as I should for a 23 year old.

I started getting the viral things regularly again, then moved house

and started waking up fatigued and extremely foggy aswell. I'd known

for years that I had a problem with candida, but I always thought it

was minor and considered my main problem to be the viral thing. So I

attributed the fatigue to that.

Now I posted a few weeks back that my mum saw a psychic/healer who

was very insightful with her health. I managed to see the same lady

2 weeks ago and she told me that I am sensitive to mould, and that

the place I am living in (basically a cold, damp run down converted

shed with holes in the roof!) is making me sick. Ive noticed I don't

wake up with so much fatigue when I stay at my boyfriends house. She

also told me I have a viral problem hanging around in my body (which

I knew of course), plus a parasite that I picked up 6 months ago in

Fiji (I suspected this but had not been tested). She told me to take

olive leaf extract for both of these things as it is particularly

effective on viruses and parasites, in addition to candida - which

she also mentioned. Ive been taking olive leaf for a week now and am

starting to feel a bit better, but have also changed my diet so its

early days on that.

The statement about probiotics and B vitamins feeding candida

puzzles me, Id be tempted to discard it.

I know of muscle testing as kinesiologists use it and I once started

a course in kinesiology. Id decided to do the course after hearing a

lot of great things about kinesiology, but quit after the first day

because the way it was taught seemed bogus. Im very open minded, but

a couple of times when I was practicing on the teacher, I felt that

she was forcing her body to do what I wanted my results to be - I

picked this up when she got confused a couple of times and told me

to do a technique again - hey presto, I suddenly got the opposite

(expected) result!

Sorry its long, but hope this has helped in some way.

ita

[Guest guest]

" From what the recent Drs I have seen have told

me, most of the time there is something that is effecting the immune system

so that the Candida, leaky gut, etc can flourish. Candia alone is very

rarely only to blame. Parasites, bacterial, lyme disease, adrenal

exhaustion, etc are often at the core. "

Thanks, (and ita). I am realizing this is true, and I really need to

figure out what my core problem is. I am making an appointment tomorrow with a

naturopath who has been treating a friend of mine with RA. I am really hoping

that she can help me and run the appropriate tests.

" And allergies most of the time stem from a weakened immune system as well.

So treating the allergies themselves seems like a waste of time. Get to the

source of the problem.

It has taken me until today to realize that my problem is with my immune system,

but I still don't know the cause. I was thinking back to even being low on

energy in high school, etc. It just took until a year ago (15 years later) for

everything to really break down and I became overwhelmingly fatigued.

-Olif

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure what a large dose of antifungals would be, but I suppose 3

times your normal for a day in one dose would do it.

What anti-fungals do you take? Have you tried rotating them as I've

read that the candida can become immune if you use only one. Are you

taking digestive enzymes? I just moved onto stronger ones and they have

made me so ill. I'm having die off again! I had such nausea and

vomiting from taking a stronger digestive enzyme - at least I know it is

working!

Keen

Re: parasites/energy healing

Thanks, Keen! Yes, he does seem to have a miracle way of healing all

allergies. If it really is a miracle way, I should have stumbled upon it

long ago! Oh, he is using biofeedback, which he says works similarly to

a lie detector test but involves the muscles. I really don't know

anything about biofeedback. I might try the techniques in the book (they

don't involve a machine and he provides instructions), because I don't

have anything to lose, even money- it is a library book, but I am very

skeptical and feel goofy even trying it. I told dh " not to tell anyone

about this. " :-)

I honestly do not think I am getting any die-off. When I was throwing up

a couple weeks ago, I discovered it was due to a duck egg allergy (I

can't have chicken eggs and thought I would try duck). I am irritable

today and thus doubtful of any positive thought :-), so I suspect I ate

something yesterday that didn't agree with me, possibly tomatoes,

although they haven't bothered me before that I know of. I really need

to make plans for a rotation diet or I fear I am not going to have

anything to eat.

I have also read that the yeast are supposed to be killed by the

probiotics. I just thought maybe someone heard what he claims is " the

only book that will tell you that. " That might be true, but for a

different reason than he states. ;-)

What do you think a large amount of antifungals is? Triple what I am

taking for a day or more than that? Maybe I should try that when I don't

have anything planned for a couple of days. I am thinking about

switching to olive leaf extract, because that would kill parasites as

well. I wonder if it kills viruses too.

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

" What anti-fungals do you take? Have you tried rotating them as I've

read that the candida can become immune if you use only one. Are you

taking digestive enzymes? "

I am taking KandidaPlex and Kolorex. KandidaPlex contains biotin (I guess people

with candida are deficient in it), pau d'arco extract, undeclyenic acid,

grapefruit seed extract, berberine, and sorbic acid. I take 2 capsules 3 times a

day. The Kolorex contains horopito extract and I take 1 a day. I am taking both

together for a month. I haven't switched yet, but planned on it when these are

gone- I have a 2 month supply of each.

I am really doubting that candida is a big problem for me though. I am thinking

maybe viral or parasites. I have swollen glands often. I don't think I am

getting any die-off with a no grain candida diet (with no sugar, etc.) and these

anti-fungals. I also have only had 1 vaginal yeast infection (during a

pregnancy) and I don't have oral thrush or rashes anywhere on my body ever.

Once I took an anti-parasitic supplement and I do think I got die-off with that.

I only did the program for a month, though, and I probably should have done it

longer. I just wasn't noticing any energy difference, so I quit. I was also

tired of the diarrhea, but that was my fault for not getting a probiotic!

I am not taking digestive enzymes. I used to take HCl. (I did try some enzymes

once and never noticed anything.) Now I am taking Platinum Plus amino acid

supplement which is SUPPOSED to trigger your body to make its own HCl and

enzymes. I think it must be doing something, because I stopped taking my HCl a

couple weeks ago, and I don't feel like I need it any longer.

I think I definitely have adrenal fatigue, since I find the coffee 100 times

harder to stay away from than the sugar! Staying away from the coffee isn't

doing anything for my energy either, so I quickly lose the incentive to stay

away. I have quit coffee and started back several times in the last 9 months.

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

I've had good success with muscle testing. I

feel that it determines what MY body needs at

that particular time. Turns out I have candida

AND parasites, so I am taking supplements to take

care of both, including acidophilis. Right now

I'm on a 7-week course of supplements, and when

it's over, I'll get retested. I feel that it's

best to focus on our individual bodies much less

than what's worked for everyone else. You could

drive yourself nuts & go broke in the meantime.

Namaste.

, Mommie to Clara Rhyse and Bella Pearl

Learning Through Living

We don't inherit the Earth from our parents.

We borrow it from our children.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Olif, the physicist turned natuopath told you wrong; it's not at

all true that candida can live off probiotics.

If it could, candida would be fluorishing in the bowel of healthy

people, in which the probiotic count measures between 15% and

much higher. Also, we all know that probiotics and probiotic

increase in the bowel are part of the cure for candida, not part

of the problem.

Similarly, b-vitamins are crucial; that's why they're called

vitamins. Regardless of whether candida can use some of it or

not, YOU need b-vitamins to stay alive.

Let alone the wierd parts of his book that don't resonate with

you, I think you should throw his book away before his health mis-

information harms someone. The last thing a health program needs

is unintentional sabotage by a well-meaning but inept poser.

Duncan Crow

> Posted by: " Olif " OVanPelt@... olifmary

> Date: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:17 am (PDT)

> He also says that probiotics are best used after killing candida

> because the candida can live off the probiotics. Does anyone know

> anything about that? He says the same about some supplements,

> particularly B-vitamins- you are feeding the candida.

>

> He uses some kind of muscle testing/energy balancing to eliminate

> allergies. It reminds me of that one lady who uses something called a

> " zapper. " Does anyone know what I am talking about and have any

> comments? The first half of his book seemed very good with what I have

> read about food allergies, candida, etc. Now I am getting into the

> muscle testing and it is just " weird " to me. I have not yet read about

> the exercises to balance your energies if they are off.

>

> Thanks,

> Olif

[Guest guest]

, I disagree with doctors who think the immune system allows

candida to fluorish in the context of leaky gut and bowel

disorders. There's no immune system at all in the gut; all

immunity is within the blood, lymph and cells. Because leaky gut

is essentially caused by irritation to the bowel lining, it's in

a first-line position, before the immune system itself even sees

the infectious organism or the toxic substance that's causing it.

Again, the immune system even in non-systemic cases shows an

awareness to the candida, which indicates even in non-systemic

candidiasis there has been a breach in the lining and enough

candida leaked into the circulation that the immune system can

pick it up. See my previous post just above this one for immune

system details the doctors are probably unaware of.

> Posted by: " ..: )::.. " ombass@... redeyejedi808

> Date: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:08 pm (PDT)

> There is some truth to this. From what the recent Drs I have seen

> have told me, most of the time there is something that is effecting

> the immune system so that the Candida, leaky gut, etc can flourish.

> Candia

> alone is very rarely only to blame. Parasites, bacterial, lyme

> disease, adrenal exhaustion, etc are often at the core. In my case

> it's adrenal exhaustion and an H.Pylori infection.

Your adrenals are probably fine, only temporarily but maybe

chronically maxed out by stressors. Any toxin load, any

malnutrition, and metabolic syndrome, is a stressor, and when

these are addressed the adrenals are actually OK.

> If I don't treat

> the infection, I can take antifungals and follow the diet for the

> rest of my life to no avail. But yeah, you have to do the tests to

> figure this out. The stool analysis I would say is the most

> important. Make sure it tests for all parasites as well as H.Pylori.

>

Actually, stomach content analysis really tells the tale on the

presence of H. pylori, and coconut oil and colloidal silver can

kill it pretty readily. You can do that safely, cheaply and

without any tests, as the coconut oil is a food that also kills

candida anyway as well as H. pylori and a wealth of other

infectiou organisms. Silver isn't a food, but it has excellent

gemicidal properties including H. pylori. If you're taking

antacids, they cause an imbalance that is the most likely source

of your H. Pylori fluorish. A lot of people host H. pylori

without incident.

See also my previous post and never worry about systemic

infection or the health of your immune system again.

Duncan Crow