Re: Eating right -- liver cleanse

[Guest guest]

I couldn't agree more. You are what you absorb (versus eat). I know I've

still got a degree of leaky gut and it does seem like supplements do help

but it is really hard to find out which ones are needed and how much. I

know blood tests can help but it takes a lot of work and money to get them.

Do to how bad my leaky gut was I think supplements were helping to a degree.

I think your right in the fact that they create an extra burden on the body

especially when taken in excess.

BTW -- I got Malic Acid at " The Good Food Company " along with parasite

cleanse pills. I think I have everything needed for liver flushing now.

I'm going to do the parasite cleanse first since I just purchased a lot of

meat and want to finish most of it off before I try the liver cleanse. What

is your opinion on the amount of meat one should eat while doing a liver

cleanse?

> Re: Ozone Rectal Insufflations, Duncan Maybe?

> Inulin

>

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>

> Like you, and the greatest healers of the world, I agree that food,

> real food is absolutely the best medicine. you can take all the supps

> in the world but until a real healthful diet is learned and adopted,

> the supps are a waste and probably create an additional burden for

> your body. of course many of do not want to believe this.

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[Guest guest]

DJ-

the Moritz cleanse protocal is a little different that the

protocal which it sounds like you may be following. Moritz used to

recommend a little parasite treatment, but no longer does on the

theory that the cleanses will, in time, change the environment of the

body against the parasites, forcing them to leave. I myself have

never seen any in me, though other liver flushers can report some

horror stories. if any read this, hopefully they will share their

stories... in that sense, the parasites are like the candida, just

there because of the deteriorated condition of the body. that being

said, loads of people follow the clark protocal and do lots of

parasite zapping and killing, and I'm not aware of it hurting them.

re meat, until recently I ate meat in the week before the Flush.

s advises against eating protein that week, to allow the liver

to prepare. the last few flushes I have not eaten any animal protien

in the week before the flush, and these flushes were very productive

and did not make me feel really weak the next day. that being said,

you probably can experiment with a few and see how it makes you feel.

eating meat before my first flushes didn't seem to cut down the

productivity of the flush. my first flush got thousands of big

stones, it was intense.

johng

> I couldn't agree more. You are what you absorb (versus eat). I

know I've

> still got a degree of leaky gut and it does seem like supplements do

help

> but it is really hard to find out which ones are needed and how much. I

> know blood tests can help but it takes a lot of work and money to

get them.

>

> Do to how bad my leaky gut was I think supplements were helping to a

degree.

> I think your right in the fact that they create an extra burden on

the body

> especially when taken in excess.

>

> BTW -- I got Malic Acid at " The Good Food Company " along with parasite

> cleanse pills. I think I have everything needed for liver flushing now.

> I'm going to do the parasite cleanse first since I just purchased a

lot of

> meat and want to finish most of it off before I try the liver

cleanse. What

> is your opinion on the amount of meat one should eat while doing a liver

> cleanse?

>

> > Re: Ozone Rectal Insufflations, Duncan Maybe?

> > Inulin

> >

> ...clip...

> >

> > Like you, and the greatest healers of the world, I agree that food,

> > real food is absolutely the best medicine. you can take all the supps

> > in the world but until a real healthful diet is learned and adopted,

> > the supps are a waste and probably create an additional burden for

> > your body. of course many of do not want to believe this.

> ...clip...

[Guest guest]

I'm one of those that has tons of critters coming out.

For the first three flushes, I followed Hulda s directions and

did the zapping and the antiparasitics the week prior to the flush.

I then got s' book, The Key to Health and Rejuvenation, and

started putting the antiparasitic into the olive oil/grapefruit juice

mixture. After maybe 5 flushes of doing that, I stopped the

antiparsitics altogether.

I did my 18th flush Monday night. On top of the approxiately 18,000

stones, I've gotten out thousands of liver flukes, and liver fluke

eggs. I've also had mucousy globs come out, some with what appeared to

be veins in them, one even had a stone in the center of it.

Last night after doing two coffee enemas and one apple cider vinegar

enema, a huge worm looking thing came out. It was fat and about 6

inches long, partially brown, partially clear. It had what appeared to

be a dark green vein running through the middle of it, and the

thickest end of it was dark green too.

There has also been things that look like pin worms, but I don't have

the symptoms, so I don't know what they are.

I've had so much weird looking stuff come out, that for the longest

time I didn't believe what I was seeing.

My stone count is probably higher too since at first I only counted

the green stones.

I don't believe that the antiparasitics help at all, in my case

anyway. They seemed to get out a few rice looking things, but that was

all.

As far as the meat goes, I find that staying away from it for the week

you're prepping for the flush is best. The cleaner the colon, the

better the flush.

> DJ-

>

> the Moritz cleanse protocal is a little different that the

> protocal which it sounds like you may be following. Moritz used to

> recommend a little parasite treatment, but no longer does on the

> theory that the cleanses will, in time, change the environment of the

> body against the parasites, forcing them to leave. I myself have

> never seen any in me, though other liver flushers can report some

> horror stories. if any read this, hopefully they will share their

> stories... in that sense, the parasites are like the candida, just

> there because of the deteriorated condition of the body. that being

> said, loads of people follow the clark protocal and do lots of

> parasite zapping and killing, and I'm not aware of it hurting them.

>

> re meat, until recently I ate meat in the week before the Flush.

> s advises against eating protein that week, to allow the liver

> to prepare. the last few flushes I have not eaten any animal protien

> in the week before the flush, and these flushes were very productive

> and did not make me feel really weak the next day. that being said,

> you probably can experiment with a few and see how it makes you feel.

> eating meat before my first flushes didn't seem to cut down the

> productivity of the flush. my first flush got thousands of big

> stones, it was intense.

>

> johng

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

DJ,

When I don't eat meat prior to a liver flush, I get really goods results. My

last liver flush I did not get any stones and I think that it is because my diet

was terrible, eating lots of protein and fat. I have done 7 flushes. The

first few produced thousands of stones and all kinds of lovely gunk in the

subsequent enemas. I am now trying to incorporate a vata diet into mine and am

slowly making the transition.

Before doing the liver flushes, supplements and diet helped but I could never

deviate any from the diet and I was taking alot of supplements. Now I have cut

out the anti-fungals and about 5 other supplements, including digestive enzymes.

I feel wonderful after a productive liver flush; so peaceful and content.

Everything else was just a fix, without ever producing long-lasting results. I

used to have gas so bad that I had to isolate almost completely because it was

so embarassing and that was after eating anything except protein and veggies.

Good luck to you. It feels so good when you start to heal.

Debbie (in New York)

DJ Tech <candida@...> wrote:

I couldn't agree more. You are what you absorb (versus eat). I know I've

still got a degree of leaky gut and it does seem like supplements do help

but it is really hard to find out which ones are needed and how much. I

know blood tests can help but it takes a lot of work and money to get them.

Do to how bad my leaky gut was I think supplements were helping to a degree.

I think your right in the fact that they create an extra burden on the body

especially when taken in excess.

BTW -- I got Malic Acid at " The Good Food Company " along with parasite

cleanse pills. I think I have everything needed for liver flushing now.

I'm going to do the parasite cleanse first since I just purchased a lot of

meat and want to finish most of it off before I try the liver cleanse. What

is your opinion on the amount of meat one should eat while doing a liver

cleanse?

> Re: Ozone Rectal Insufflations, Duncan Maybe?

> Inulin

>

....clip...

>

> Like you, and the greatest healers of the world, I agree that food,

> real food is absolutely the best medicine. you can take all the supps

> in the world but until a real healthful diet is learned and adopted,

> the supps are a waste and probably create an additional burden for

> your body. of course many of do not want to believe this.

....clip...

[Guest guest]

G,

Could you explain the basics of Moritz' cleansing protocol? It sounds

like a program I may want to check out, but I'd like to know a little

more about it before ordering the book.

Leesh

> > I couldn't agree more. You are what you absorb (versus eat). I

> know I've

> > still got a degree of leaky gut and it does seem like supplements

do

> help

> > but it is really hard to find out which ones are needed and how

much. I

> > know blood tests can help but it takes a lot of work and money to

> get them.

> >

> > Do to how bad my leaky gut was I think supplements were helping

to a

> degree.

> > I think your right in the fact that they create an extra burden on

> the body

> > especially when taken in excess.

> >

> > BTW -- I got Malic Acid at " The Good Food Company " along with

parasite

> > cleanse pills. I think I have everything needed for liver

flushing now.

> > I'm going to do the parasite cleanse first since I just purchased

a

> lot of

> > meat and want to finish most of it off before I try the liver

> cleanse. What

> > is your opinion on the amount of meat one should eat while doing

a liver

> > cleanse?

> >

> > > Re: Ozone Rectal Insufflations, Duncan

Maybe?

> > > Inulin

> > >

> > ...clip...

> > >

> > > Like you, and the greatest healers of the world, I agree that

food,

> > > real food is absolutely the best medicine. you can take all

the supps

> > > in the world but until a real healthful diet is learned and

adopted,

> > > the supps are a waste and probably create an additional burden

for

> > > your body. of course many of do not want to believe this.

> > ...clip...

[Guest guest]

L-

the protocal is not radically different than the clark protocal. it

differs in that it has no parasite treatment, advices against chilling

any of the liquids used in the flush, advises pre and post flush

colonics (or colemas), and offers variations on the flush like malic

acid instead of apple juice for softening stones. when to do the

flush, how to prep ect...

the book is valuable for a few reasons. first, it does an great job

of explaining how a wide variety of symptoms and what most docs think

are different diseases are in fact just symptoms of liver and gall

bladder stones. just understanding this brings a great deal of

comfort and confidence in the flush process- and gives great insight

into the nature of illness. once you get a better understanding of

how your body really works, it becomes clear why so many candida

products are a waste of money (in my opinion). its true you can

gather all the flush instructions from various forums at

www.curezone.com, but you can't get the feeling of confidence that

comes from gaining an indepth understanding of what is going on.

the book also explains how stones are formed, and various ways to

avoid their formation... it has tips for living (not as many as " key

to health and rejuvenation " what to eat, different herbs and things

you can do to improve your health. The cost of $7

(www.authorhouse.com) is a great bargain for what you get. I think

anyone who has bought it would agree, hopefully they can add to my

comments. I passed that book around to at least 10 people I know.

hope this helps.

> > > I couldn't agree more. You are what you absorb (versus eat). I

> > know I've

> > > still got a degree of leaky gut and it does seem like supplements

> do

> > help

> > > but it is really hard to find out which ones are needed and how

> much. I

> > > know blood tests can help but it takes a lot of work and money to

> > get them.

> > >

> > > Do to how bad my leaky gut was I think supplements were helping

> to a

> > degree.

> > > I think your right in the fact that they create an extra burden on

> > the body

> > > especially when taken in excess.

> > >

> > > BTW -- I got Malic Acid at " The Good Food Company " along with

> parasite

> > > cleanse pills. I think I have everything needed for liver

> flushing now.

> > > I'm going to do the parasite cleanse first since I just purchased

> a

> > lot of

> > > meat and want to finish most of it off before I try the liver

> > cleanse. What

> > > is your opinion on the amount of meat one should eat while doing

> a liver

> > > cleanse?

> > >

> > > > Re: Ozone Rectal Insufflations, Duncan

> Maybe?

> > > > Inulin

> > > >

> > > ...clip...

> > > >

> > > > Like you, and the greatest healers of the world, I agree that

> food,

> > > > real food is absolutely the best medicine. you can take all

> the supps

> > > > in the world but until a real healthful diet is learned and

> adopted,

> > > > the supps are a waste and probably create an additional burden

> for

> > > > your body. of course many of do not want to believe this.

> > > ...clip...

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie

Your post gives me a very warm feeling inside, thank you. I know that

you can see what this is really all about.

The reason that I stick around is to try to give back what was given

to me. And I know that feels the same way.

As far as eating goes, have you picked up any ayurvedic cook books? I

have Ayurvedic Healing Cuisine. It's funny, I was so into meat and

potatoes for the longest time. The rarer the meat the better. I even

ate raw meat....just loved it. Now with using all the different

spices, I could care less about meat, and rarely eat it at all.

I'm glad to hear that you're doing so well.

Rick

> DJ,

>

> When I don't eat meat prior to a liver flush, I get really goods

results. My last liver flush I did not get any stones and I think

that it is because my diet was terrible, eating lots of protein and

fat. I have done 7 flushes. The first few produced thousands of

stones and all kinds of lovely gunk in the subsequent enemas. I am

now trying to incorporate a vata diet into mine and am slowly making

the transition.

>

> Before doing the liver flushes, supplements and diet helped but I

could never deviate any from the diet and I was taking alot of

supplements. Now I have cut out the anti-fungals and about 5 other

supplements, including digestive enzymes. I feel wonderful after a

productive liver flush; so peaceful and content. Everything else was

just a fix, without ever producing long-lasting results. I used to

have gas so bad that I had to isolate almost completely because it was

so embarassing and that was after eating anything except protein and

veggies.

>

> Good luck to you. It feels so good when you start to heal.

>

> Debbie (in New York)

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing. I am going to try a no-red meat for breakfast and lunch

and a no meat dinner onward for my first flush. I'm also going to eliminate

most of my supplements.

> Re: Ozone Rectal Insufflations, Duncan Maybe?

> > Inulin

> >

> ...clip...

> >

> > Like you, and the greatest healers of the world, I agree that food,

> > real food is absolutely the best medicine. you can take all the supps

> > in the world but until a real healthful diet is learned and adopted,

> > the supps are a waste and probably create an additional burden for

> > your body. of course many of do not want to believe this.

> ...clip...

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

LOL, I'm still counting.

Actually, I count about half of them and guesstimate the rest. Because

of the huge amount, I normally guess on the low end. But a lot of the

stones are small.

They can come out for days afterwards. I've done coffee enemas a week

later and still had a few come out.

Rick

> Geez, 18,000?? How long did it take you to count all of them?

>

> > Re: Eating right -- liver cleanse

> ...clip...

> > I did my 18th flush Monday night. On top of the approxiately 18,000

> > stones, I've gotten out thousands of liver flukes, and liver fluke

> > eggs. I've also had mucousy globs come out, some with what appeared to

> > be veins in them, one even had a stone in the center of it.

> ...clip...

[Guest guest]

DJ,

Happy flushing! Once you start, you are going to be hooked. I wish I could do

one soon, but cannot for the next two weeks because of going camping. You have

to enjoy the good weather here while you can. I am looking forward to flushing

the weekend after Labor Day.

Debbie (in New York)

DJ Tech <candida@...> wrote:

Thanks for sharing. I am going to try a no-red meat for breakfast and lunch

and a no meat dinner onward for my first flush. I'm also going to eliminate

most of my supplements.

> Re: Ozone Rectal Insufflations, Duncan Maybe?

> > Inulin

> >

> ...clip...

> >

> > Like you, and the greatest healers of the world, I agree that food,

> > real food is absolutely the best medicine. you can take all the supps

> > in the world but until a real healthful diet is learned and adopted,

> > the supps are a waste and probably create an additional burden for

> > your body. of course many of do not want to believe this.

> ...clip...

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm working toward my first flush at the end of Sept. Meantime, trying to

get all my ducks in a row - researching, trying not to be apprehensive.

Think I have it all covered but a question............ if I do the salts,

etc, Friday night, what is Saturday like? I mean, I know I can't go far

from the potty but what will I feel like? Will I be peacefully reading in

the living room? Doubled over in pain in my bed? Painting the garage

floor? Can anyone forecast, lol?

[Guest guest]

Hi Asli

Some people put a colandar in their toilet. I tried that once when I

did my first colema. It was the most disgusting thing I've done in my

entire life!

The epsom salts that you take 4 doses of starting at 6pm and ending at

8 am the following morning really clean you out. Most if not all of

the bile should be gone by morning leaving only the stones.

If you use a flashlight to look into the toilet, you'll see the green

stones plain as day. Stones can also be tan or white. At first you'll

probably get mostly green ones. I did anyway.

At times, I have used wooden skewers to poke at them, and have even

been brave enough to fish some of the larger ones out using a small

sieve that got tossed (thrown out) afterwards.

Rick

> I just bought the Moritz book and haven't started reading it yet.

I'm planning on

> doing my first flush within a few weeks or so. I'm curious:

exactly how do you go

> about extracting the stones from the waste in the toilet in order to

count them??

>

> thanx

> asli

[Guest guest]

Penny-

of my 14, none has been exactly alike. I have never been doubled

over, and even went to work on a time when I did it on a week night.

get a few good books or a movie or two, and things should be ok.

never had any pain, just need to keep near a bathroom.

g

> I'm working toward my first flush at the end of Sept. Meantime,

trying to

> get all my ducks in a row - researching, trying not to be apprehensive.

> Think I have it all covered but a question............ if I do the

salts,

> etc, Friday night, what is Saturday like? I mean, I know I can't go far

> from the potty but what will I feel like? Will I be peacefully

reading in

> the living room? Doubled over in pain in my bed? Painting the garage

> floor? Can anyone forecast, lol?

[Guest guest]

Like and most others I know, mine have all been different too. In

the beginning, I just felt a little tired the second day, but also

noticed that my eyesight and hearing had improved, but that went away

as the day progressed.

I think the most important thing it is to relax as much as you can the

night of the flush. You're doing something that is going to allow your

body to heal itself, and you should feel great about doing that!

What do you do to relax Penny? When I take the olive oil/grapefruit

juice mixture and lay down, I play a tape that relaxes me. It also

lasts 20 minutes too. That way when the tape is done, I can move.

I would plan a day of rest the second day. Have your husband wait on

you hand and foot. Tell him it's as if you had minor surgery done. I

believe s put it that way once. Eat lightly, and enjoy your day

off from life.

Rick

> I'm working toward my first flush at the end of Sept. Meantime,

trying to

> get all my ducks in a row - researching, trying not to be apprehensive.

> Think I have it all covered but a question............ if I do the

salts,

> etc, Friday night, what is Saturday like? I mean, I know I can't go far

> from the potty but what will I feel like? Will I be peacefully

reading in

> the living room? Doubled over in pain in my bed? Painting the garage

> floor? Can anyone forecast, lol?

[Guest guest]

Penny,

I have never had any pain. Usually I am done with the toilet thing around 10:00

a.m. The only exception is on my third liver cleanse. I passed over 1,000

stones before noon time. I went out motorcycle riding that afternoon and every

time I stopped to go to the bathroom, tons more stones came out.

I feel really good after I can start eating again and I really have to push

myself not to overdo it. I have gone to afternoon cookouts and have done miner

housework. I also like to things I enjoy on the Saturday like walking the dogs

or working in the garden. I am a hiker and after a liver flush, I feel like I

have done a big hike. I feel tired in a great sort of way.

Debbie (in New York)

I'm working toward my first flush at the end of Sept. Meantime, trying to

get all my ducks in a row - researching, trying not to be apprehensive.

Think I have it all covered but a question............ if I do the salts,

etc, Friday night, what is Saturday like? I mean, I know I can't go far

from the potty but what will I feel like? Will I be peacefully reading in

the living room? Doubled over in pain in my bed? Painting the garage

floor? Can anyone forecast, lol?

[Guest guest]

Thanks, it'll be interesting to say the least . I'm sippin my apple juice

right now; damn it tastes good.

Have a fun & safe trip!

> Re: Ozone Rectal Insufflations, Duncan Maybe?

> > > Inulin

> > >

> > ...clip...

> > >

> > > Like you, and the greatest healers of the world, I agree that food,

> > > real food is absolutely the best medicine. you can take all the supps

> > > in the world but until a real healthful diet is learned and adopted,

> > > the supps are a waste and probably create an additional burden for

> > > your body. of course many of do not want to believe this.

> > ...clip...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >