Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 What happens if we FAST? I am about ready to stop eating all together. It seems I have a reaction to just about everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Hi Olif, I don't know how strict you are planning your diet to be, but potato converts to sugar. Brown rice would be a much better option, but I find it upsets me so try it and listen to your gut! ita > > Okay, I received my probiotic today and am ready to get started. I am wondering what everyone's opinion is on including brown rice and/or potato for one meal a day in stage one, possibly with lunch but more than likely with dinner. I really don't think I can live on meat and veggies, although I don't want to mess up all my effort by not eliminating brown rice and potato. Both, BTW, I tested no reaction on my IgG test. > > Thank you, > Olif > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Hi Olif My husband and I were told we could eat brown rice right from the beginning and it didn't seem to hamper our anti-candida regime at all. Naturopaths in this country (South Africa) don't subscribe to the " no carb, only veggies and meat " diet, as they say it is unhealthy and causes too much acidity in the system. Keen diet opinions Okay, I received my probiotic today and am ready to get started. I am wondering what everyone's opinion is on including brown rice and/or potato for one meal a day in stage one, possibly with lunch but more than likely with dinner. I really don't think I can live on meat and veggies, although I don't want to mess up all my effort by not eliminating brown rice and potato. Both, BTW, I tested no reaction on my IgG test. Thank you, Olif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 In one book I read they said the candida will outlive you, so fasting won't do that much. Keen Re: diet opinions What happens if we FAST? I am about ready to stop eating all together. It seems I have a reaction to just about everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 I was on the almost-no-carb diet for candida for three months. I finally realized that part of the reason for my continually ebbing energy was that I was not eating enough carbs. Each person is different, and you have to tailor the diet to your body. I have a very fast metabolism and needed more than the traditional anti-yeast diet was giving me. I feel much more energetic now that I am eating more carbs - healthy, whole-food carbs, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Thanks, Keen. So are you allowed other non-gluten grains, too, like teff and millet. (I have never had either, but I might try them for variety.) What about potatoes? Are they simpler carbs than whole grains? Thanks, Olif . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 FUCKIN MOTHER FUCKIN TWATS Y TE FUCK U POST ME IN ALL THIS >From: susan <peacefulmeow@...> >Reply-candidiasis >candidiasis >Subject: Re: diet opinions >Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 04:04:40 -0700 (PDT) > >I was on the almost-no-carb diet for candida for three months. I finally >realized that part of the reason for my continually ebbing energy was that >I was not eating enough carbs. Each person is different, and you have to >tailor the diet to your body. I have a very fast metabolism and needed >more than the traditional anti-yeast diet was giving me. I feel much more >energetic now that I am eating more carbs - healthy, whole-food carbs, that >is. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Duncan, I gotta jump in here. Too much meat can and does cause body acidity--I would know, I've had low pH and cancer and everything else here, on top of the Candida which got all the balls rolling in the first place (lowered immunity and diet that, when I stayed on it too long, caused body acidity). Yes, the " cave diet " sustained people, but these were people who'd never been exposed to the damages of antibiotics. It was a different time, and while I agree that we have actually not evolved to the point of being able to handle lots of carbs for the most part, keep in mind that there are different body and blood types whose reactions are indeed different--like mine for instance. And yes, taking minerals helps. But my point once again will have to be that once Candida happens, any of many outcomes may ensue, according to the individual's weak points and/or tendencies. In my case, the cave diet was too extreme and I do well on a reasonable amount of high-quality complex carbs, sometimes this includes fruit, corn and wheat, mostly I stick to rice and other non-glutens.... and I also find that different things at different times are good so I rotate stuff... and supplements too. Sometimes I need to eat a fair amount of animal protein and sometimes I don't... I don't seem to be able to stick to any one protocol and do well on it for long periods of time. Variety is good for me. So I don't agree with your assessment that the South African naturopaths are backwards or don't know what they are doing. Maybe they are just tailoring their approach to the individual instead of placing everyone in the same box. Alison :-) > > Keen, > > The naturopaths in South Africa are perhaps unaware that meat and > veggies are what we evolved on. How do they propose we lasted > though eons of evolution without grains? How do they propose we > conditioned the body to accept them in recent history (we > haven't, and in fact carbs have recently been identified as > DISEASE-CAUSING)? > > Maybe they don't know that a diet of meat and veggies balances > out with no net acidity. Or if one is supplementing with > potassium and magnesium, two primary alkalinizing minerals that > are deficient in most diets, there will be no net acidity. And, > if we were to use more of the historic sea vegetables that > contain these minerals, there would be no net acidity. > > Good questions to ask; it oughta take a lot of convoluted logic > on their part to answer them hehe. Maybe naturopaths in South > Africa are pretty backwards then, yes? And in their own field > too, tsk! > > Duncan > > > Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenables@... > > Date: Thu Jun 8, 2006 10:40 pm (PDT) > > > > Hi Olif > > > > My husband and I were told we could eat brown rice right from the > > beginning and it didn't seem to hamper our anti-candida regime at all. > > > > Naturopaths in this country (South Africa) don't subscribe to the " no > > carb, only veggies and meat " diet, as they say it is unhealthy and > > causes too much acidity in the system. > > > > Keen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Blue I'm discovering that this is the case for me too these days. Years ago I stopped eating whole wheat breads and later came back to rye with a little bit of wheat added...and still had mild problems. Lately I've pulled all glutens and dairy and am now discovering I'm sensitive to corn and soy products! So I've taken on a new approach to the candida thing and that is accepting my liver is having problems and that I'm not creating the right enzymes for starch products. The exception is I do benefit from beans and brown rice. What I'm trying to do these days is eat as much fruit, salads and veggie stir fries as I can. This is almost like fasting as your body doesn't really have to use up enzymes for these foods...they come prepackaged. Add nut butters to salads to make more of a meal. Add small amounts of brown rice to veggie stir fries. Nut mixes are great snack foods especially if you lightly roast your own and throw in just a few raisins. Willem blueeberri@... wrote: > > What happens if we FAST? I am about ready to stop eating all together. It > seems I have a reaction to just about everything! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Hi Alison, > > Duncan, I gotta jump in here. > > Too much meat can and does cause body acidity-- To clarify, body acidity does not occur with the meat and vegetables diet we evolved on, because the alkaline ash vegetables balance the acid ash meat. In modern times we also have alkaline supplements to balance any acidity that does occur. I merely pointed out that we have not evolved the ability to use whole grains as a staple food without incurring disease, advanced glycation end-products for example, and the accelerated aging and all the degenerative illnesses that go with that. What seeds including grain carbs we evolved on is what we could gather from wild grains, mostly sedge grasses, and from whatever other seeds that could be gathered. This would only comprise, seasonally, of maybe 10% of total calories, and much less than that out of season. > > So I don't agree with your assessment that the South African > naturopaths are backwards or don't know what they are doing. Maybe > they are just tailoring their approach to the individual instead of > placing everyone in the same box. > > Alison :-) They are backwards if they don't comprehend that carbohydrate meals should probably not be in the diet at all. Nice try, but I don't see how that position is defensible for a naturopath, who should know better. They could find considerable research by just doing a keyword search; the research is quite clear on the danger of using a food primarily made of carbohydrate as a staple. Check it out and you'll know more about it than they do By the way, most of the grains people cheat with even on this list, and I do call it cheating, are easily fermented by candida and othe pathogens, almost as easily as straight starch. Rice cakes indeed. Tsk! Only if you want to take longer to get better. Caveat emptor. Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 On 6/8/06, blueeberri@... <blueeberri@...> wrote: > What happens if we FAST? I am about ready to stop eating all together. It > seems I have a reaction to just about everything! I think that fasting followed by an elimination diet is a good thing if you are reacting to everything. Glutamine might be good to help the leaky gut as well. On the Native Nutrition list, there were many discussions of fasting. Particularly helpful might be 's posts. He was once a frequent poster on the list and had a great deal of experience with fasting. I'd suggest going to onibasu.com, from which you can search the archives of that list. To do so, put a check mark in the box " Native-Nutrition " and search the archives on the topic. I did a two-week fast last year that was part water-fast and part kefired young coconut juice fast, while taking, on 's advice took Dr. Shulze's liver-gallbladder-antiparasite formula and his IF#2 and IF#1. The IF#2 is to bind up toxins to prevent autointoxication while fasting, and the IF#1 is in case you need to " move it along. " You should be able to go off the IF's when you begin eating food again even if you keep the liver-gallbladder-AP formula, if you decide to go that route. In any case, at some point, I had a bowel movement that resulted in the excretion of a bunch of white balls. I figure they were fungus balls. I suppose a second guess would be parasite eggs, but I think fugus. It was very beneficial to me, although I was unemployed, which made it much easier. Chris -- Dioxins in Animal Foods: A Case For Vegetarianism? Find Out the Truth: http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Well, let me return to my individual case yet again, since that is the only place I can really speak from, considering. For me, too much meat put my body into an over-acidic condition from which came even more health nightmares. Really, this " Candida Diet " should come with a much, MUCH better " User's Manual " complete with warnings on the label. I now know that my body needs a certain balance and variety of things--finally, after Candida and cancer, I have learned this and use it accordingly. Also, I know I only fit into my own category--everyone is different. As far as your claim that " carbohydrate meals " are not suitable for diets at all... I would invite you to look at the nutritional breakdown of a big plate of veggies. It is mostly carbs, even some sugars, but the point is, they are GOOD carbs. Nothing wrong with that--I eat a lot of meals that are just huge salads with no meat, with some nuts and fruits on the side (a " gatherer's meal " if you will)--and do very well on these, even though their carb content is measured as fairly high. Making blanket statements to anyone with this disease--well, you said it--caveat emptor. > > Hi Alison, > > > > > Duncan, I gotta jump in here. > > > > Too much meat can and does cause body acidity-- > > To clarify, body acidity does not occur with the meat and vegetables > diet we evolved on, because the alkaline ash vegetables balance the > acid ash meat. In modern times we also have alkaline supplements to > balance any acidity that does occur. > > I merely pointed out that we have not evolved the ability to use > whole grains as a staple food without incurring disease, advanced > glycation end-products for example, and the accelerated aging and all > the degenerative illnesses that go with that. > > What seeds including grain carbs we evolved on is what we could > gather from wild grains, mostly sedge grasses, and from whatever > other seeds that could be gathered. This would only comprise, > seasonally, of maybe 10% of total calories, and much less than that > out of season. > > > > > So I don't agree with your assessment that the South African > > naturopaths are backwards or don't know what they are doing. Maybe > > they are just tailoring their approach to the individual instead of > > placing everyone in the same box. > > > > Alison :-) > > They are backwards if they don't comprehend that carbohydrate meals > should probably not be in the diet at all. Nice try, but I don't see > how that position is defensible for a naturopath, who should know > better. They could find considerable research by just doing a keyword > search; the research is quite clear on the danger of using a food > primarily made of carbohydrate as a staple. > > Check it out and you'll know more about it than they do > > By the way, most of the grains people cheat with even on this list, > and I do call it cheating, are easily fermented by candida and othe > pathogens, almost as easily as straight starch. > > Rice cakes indeed. Tsk! Only if you want to take longer to get > better. Caveat emptor. > > > Duncan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 I have to second this! Several years back, when Candida was really causing Hell in my life, I was allergic to over 30 foods... wheat, dairy, fish, soy... even some veggies... then my herbalist put me on an intensive liver cleanse and three-day fast, and in just days I was back to being able to eat anything I wanted, including wheat and everything else. The liver cleanse was so intense that I spent several days vomiting and passing out stuff I didn't even know was in there (brilliant green blobs, etc.), I felt like I was dying, but my herbalist just told me to hang in... and afterwards, I felt nearly 100% better than I had just days before. Alison :-) > > What happens if we FAST? I am about ready to stop eating all together. It > > seems I have a reaction to just about everything! > > I think that fasting followed by an elimination diet is a good thing > if you are reacting to everything. Glutamine might be good to help > the leaky gut as well. > > On the Native Nutrition list, there were many discussions of fasting. > Particularly helpful might be 's posts. He was once a frequent > poster on the list and had a great deal of experience with fasting. > I'd suggest going to onibasu.com, from which you can search the > archives of that list. To do so, put a check mark in the box > " Native-Nutrition " and search the archives on the topic. > > I did a two-week fast last year that was part water-fast and part > kefired young coconut juice fast, while taking, on 's advice > took Dr. Shulze's liver-gallbladder-antiparasite formula and his IF#2 > and IF#1. The IF#2 is to bind up toxins to prevent autointoxication > while fasting, and the IF#1 is in case you need to " move it along. " > You should be able to go off the IF's when you begin eating food again > even if you keep the liver-gallbladder-AP formula, if you decide to go > that route. > > In any case, at some point, I had a bowel movement that resulted in > the excretion of a bunch of white balls. I figure they were fungus > balls. I suppose a second guess would be parasite eggs, but I think > fugus. It was very beneficial to me, although I was unemployed, which > made it much easier. > > Chris > -- > Dioxins in Animal Foods: > A Case For Vegetarianism? > Find Out the Truth: > http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 I don't eat any other grains. We bought some quinoia to try, but my husband didn't like it that much. He enjoys brown rice. Potatoes are a problem - we eat them, but only in small amounts and not that often. The diet we are on allows them from Phase 2, but I've read that you have to have them with the skins on for the fibre - but my husband can't as he has bad IBS. So we just make sure to eat them with brown rice - if I do that, I have no problems with constipation. On their own, they make me very constipated, but that is most likely due to either the IBS or the leaky gut. Some anti-candida diets forbid potatoes completely. Keen Re: diet opinions Thanks, Keen. So are you allowed other non-gluten grains, too, like teff and millet. (I have never had either, but I might try them for variety.) What about potatoes? Are they simpler carbs than whole grains? Thanks, Olif . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 You subscribed to this list, idiot. If you don't want to be a part of it, scroll down to the bottom of the e-mail and click on the unsubscribe information. Keen Re: diet opinions >Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 04:04:40 -0700 (PDT) > >I was on the almost-no-carb diet for candida for three months. I finally >realized that part of the reason for my continually ebbing energy was that >I was not eating enough carbs. Each person is different, and you have to >tailor the diet to your body. I have a very fast metabolism and needed >more than the traditional anti-yeast diet was giving me. I feel much more >energetic now that I am eating more carbs - healthy, whole-food carbs, that >is. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Hi Duncan In another message you told someone she had pain due to eating meat and now you are advocating it? I am a piscoperian, (eat fish) and am much better without meat, it is too heavy on my digestion and liver. My husband has the same effect when he eats meat and he is not ill as such although does have some health problems. We both take Udo's choice oil so we aren't lacking in Omega 3's Regards Jane > > > That's not at all true; I have written about and treated leaky > gut for years, and I know that animal fat is a preferred food for > humans. Essential even in the case of the omega-3 essential fatty > acids. If you're limiting your omega-3's to almost nothing you > are courting disaster. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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