Re: diflucan treatment/contagiousness of candida

[Guest guest]

I'm not so sure about EVERY human body. I do however agree with the rest of

what you said. Basically the same thing johng was saying.

Do you feel because of these facts you don't consider it contagious? I

think this organism can adapt. If it can, over time it is possible it can

learn to overpower stronger and stronger hosts.

> RE: Re: diflucan

> treatment/contagiousness of candida

>

> DJ,

>

> Candida occurs naturally in the digestive tract of every

> human body. It has a role to play in eating excess sugars,

> toxic metals, and wastes. The problem is when the good

> bacteria, which keep the candida in check, are killed off and

> not replaced. Then the candida become abnormally widespread.

>

> Contagiousness has everything to do with the biological

> terrain (condition, defenses) of the one being exposed. For

> example, I never catch infectious diseases from others. This

> is not necessarily good either, as you want a system in

> balance, not a hyperactive immune system. But I just want

> you to consider that passing infections to another person can

> only happen when their system is open to it. The same thing

> happens in your own body. Candida does not go anywhere or

> grow unless conditions are hospitable to it (i.e., a body out

> of balance or full of decaying wastes).

[Guest guest]

Yes, every human body--check it out. Sure, it's mildly contagious, but I don't

think it is learning to overpower stronger and stronger hosts. That sounds

really sci-fi.

(in Palestine)

DJ Tech <candida@...> wrote:

I'm not so sure about EVERY human body. I do however agree with the rest of

what you said. Basically the same thing johng was saying.

Do you feel because of these facts you don't consider it contagious? I

think this organism can adapt. If it can, over time it is possible it can

learn to overpower stronger and stronger hosts.

> RE: Re: diflucan

> treatment/contagiousness of candida

>

> DJ,

>

> Candida occurs naturally in the digestive tract of every

> human body. It has a role to play in eating excess sugars,

> toxic metals, and wastes. The problem is when the good

> bacteria, which keep the candida in check, are killed off and

> not replaced. Then the candida become abnormally widespread.

>

> Contagiousness has everything to do with the biological

> terrain (condition, defenses) of the one being exposed. For

> example, I never catch infectious diseases from others. This

> is not necessarily good either, as you want a system in

> balance, not a hyperactive immune system. But I just want

> you to consider that passing infections to another person can

> only happen when their system is open to it. The same thing

> happens in your own body. Candida does not go anywhere or

> grow unless conditions are hospitable to it (i.e., a body out

> of balance or full of decaying wastes).

[Guest guest]

Most of what I read (which echo'd most of what you wrote below) says 80% of

people have candida, not 100%.

I'd call it evolution not sci-fi. Do you know that continual use of

Nystatin has created strains of candida resistant to nystatin? Sure this

medicine is old and has been around for many years but what's 50 years??

Here is another sci-fi theory of mine . I think yeast colonies can

somehow communicate between each other.

> RE: Re: diflucan

> > treatment/contagiousness of candida

> >

> > DJ,

> >

> > Candida occurs naturally in the digestive tract of every

> > human body. It has a role to play in eating excess sugars,

> > toxic metals, and wastes. The problem is when the good

> > bacteria, which keep the candida in check, are killed off and

> > not replaced. Then the candida become abnormally widespread.

> >

> > Contagiousness has everything to do with the biological

> > terrain (condition, defenses) of the one being exposed. For

> > example, I never catch infectious diseases from others. This

> > is not necessarily good either, as you want a system in

> > balance, not a hyperactive immune system. But I just want

> > you to consider that passing infections to another person can

> > only happen when their system is open to it. The same thing

> > happens in your own body. Candida does not go anywhere or

> > grow unless conditions are hospitable to it (i.e., a body out

> > of balance or full of decaying wastes).

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I took lots of antifungals before my paradigm shift to natural health,

and I'm sure the yeast became resistant and stronger. yet I was able

to clear my candida overgrowth without drugs or even using natrual

antifungals. this is because there is no defense to a strong healthy

clean body and soul. there simply is no substitute that you can buy

or take. I was resistent to this concept for a long time, thought the

yeast was out to take over the world, and was like a cancer growning

in me. one day everything changed for me, i made peace with my east,

and did everything I could to naturally take care of myself including

liver colon and kidney cleanses, eating a pure whole foods diet,

detressing me life, sleeping right ect. the yeast nightmare was soon

over. like said above, it was a paradigm shift. its hard to

explain without sounding preachy, and since i am always in a rush, its

harder still to get across. i believe the yeast is your friend, and

my friend. for many this will be hard to accept, but to understand

what I really have been saying, this is a key principle.

johng

> > I'm not so sure about EVERY human body. I do however agree

> > with the rest of

> > what you said. Basically the same thing johng was saying.

> >

> > Do you feel because of these facts you don't consider it contagious? I

> > think this organism can adapt. If it can, over time it is

> > possible it can

> > learn to overpower stronger and stronger hosts.

> >

> > > RE: Re: diflucan

> > > treatment/contagiousness of candida

> > >

> > > DJ,

> > >

> > > Candida occurs naturally in the digestive tract of every

> > > human body. It has a role to play in eating excess sugars,

> > > toxic metals, and wastes. The problem is when the good

> > > bacteria, which keep the candida in check, are killed off and

> > > not replaced. Then the candida become abnormally widespread.

> > >

> > > Contagiousness has everything to do with the biological

> > > terrain (condition, defenses) of the one being exposed. For

> > > example, I never catch infectious diseases from others. This

> > > is not necessarily good either, as you want a system in

> > > balance, not a hyperactive immune system. But I just want

> > > you to consider that passing infections to another person can

> > > only happen when their system is open to it. The same thing

> > > happens in your own body. Candida does not go anywhere or

> > > grow unless conditions are hospitable to it (i.e., a body out

> > > of balance or full of decaying wastes).

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

I have understood the message your trying to get across (your point) from

your first message. I feel I am following down a very similar path as what

you're describing. Perhaps the difference is you see a lot more harm than I

do in taking diflucan. I won't know the seriousness of this until I stop

taking it and this is at least a month or more away.

Thanks for your time & patience

> RE: Re: diflucan

> > > > treatment/contagiousness of candida

> > > >

> > > > DJ,

> > > >

> > > > Candida occurs naturally in the digestive tract of every

> > > > human body. It has a role to play in eating excess sugars,

> > > > toxic metals, and wastes. The problem is when the good

> > > > bacteria, which keep the candida in check, are killed off and

> > > > not replaced. Then the candida become abnormally widespread.

> > > >

> > > > Contagiousness has everything to do with the biological

> > > > terrain (condition, defenses) of the one being exposed. For

> > > > example, I never catch infectious diseases from others. This

> > > > is not necessarily good either, as you want a system in

> > > > balance, not a hyperactive immune system. But I just want

> > > > you to consider that passing infections to another person can

> > > > only happen when their system is open to it. The same thing

> > > > happens in your own body. Candida does not go anywhere or

> > > > grow unless conditions are hospitable to it (i.e., a body out

> > > > of balance or full of decaying wastes).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

,

I have understood the message your trying to get across (your point) from

your first message. I feel I am following down a very similar path as what

you're describing. Perhaps the difference is you see a lot more harm than I

do in taking diflucan. I won't know the seriousness of this until I stop

taking it and this is at least a month or more away.

Thanks for your time & patience

> RE: Re: diflucan

> > > > treatment/contagiousness of candida

> > > >

> > > > DJ,

> > > >

> > > > Candida occurs naturally in the digestive tract of every

> > > > human body. It has a role to play in eating excess sugars,

> > > > toxic metals, and wastes. The problem is when the good

> > > > bacteria, which keep the candida in check, are killed off and

> > > > not replaced. Then the candida become abnormally widespread.

> > > >

> > > > Contagiousness has everything to do with the biological

> > > > terrain (condition, defenses) of the one being exposed. For

> > > > example, I never catch infectious diseases from others. This

> > > > is not necessarily good either, as you want a system in

> > > > balance, not a hyperactive immune system. But I just want

> > > > you to consider that passing infections to another person can

> > > > only happen when their system is open to it. The same thing

> > > > happens in your own body. Candida does not go anywhere or

> > > > grow unless conditions are hospitable to it (i.e., a body out

> > > > of balance or full of decaying wastes).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

DJ-

Its really hard to say, since people tend to see the same thing in

much different ways, just human nature. At the root of what I am

saying about candida, is that candida overgrowth is a part of the

body's own self defense mechanism, that having candida serves a

purpose, in helping the body cope with toxicity that it could not

otherwise cope with due to other udnerlying conditions. In this view,

taking antifungals to kill the candida intereferes with the body's own

system, and opens the body up to even worse long term harm. this is

in addition to the toxicity of the drugs themselves. the key to

recovery in this view is to address the underlying issues that force

the body to use less than great back up systems, like candida

overgrowth. this is where I encourage people to look.

This is a viewpoint, and people are of course free to accept, reject,

or think about for later what this approach means. I mention it

often, because no one was talking this way when I first figured out

that I had a candida overgrowth. the only way I got put on to it was

by trying almost everything else, then finding s Moritz's books.

I tried his advice, it worked, then it all made sense.

I know many people feel the the candida is their root problem. no

doubt the candida causes other problems, the body is not designed to

funtion optimally like this, there is a price to pay. but, this is

just my opinion, but in the vast majority of cases, the candida is not

the root problem. it seems like it is because you have to deal with

it every day, and for a long time, I thought it was my only problem.

but, for me it was just a symptom of deeper problems like clogged up

liver, horrible diet, stressful life, ect ect.... once the udnerlying

problems were given some attention, the candida problem was gone

without much of a fight at all.

DJ I hope you don't think was trying to belittle you or even argue

with you. sometimes my messages are terse because I tend to say the

same things again and again (new posters all the time). I went

through this too, and know how you feel. I don't have any hard

feelings and hope you don't either, we are just sharing viewpoints.

g

-- In candidiasis , " DJ Tech " <candida@d...> wrote:

> ,

>

> I have understood the message your trying to get across (your point)

from

> your first message. I feel I am following down a very similar path

as what

> you're describing. Perhaps the difference is you see a lot more

harm than I

> do in taking diflucan. I won't know the seriousness of this until I

stop

> taking it and this is at least a month or more away.

>

> Thanks for your time & patience

>

> > RE: Re: diflucan

> > > > > treatment/contagiousness of candida

> > > > >

> > > > > DJ,

> > > > >

> > > > > Candida occurs naturally in the digestive tract of every

> > > > > human body. It has a role to play in eating excess sugars,

> > > > > toxic metals, and wastes. The problem is when the good

> > > > > bacteria, which keep the candida in check, are killed off and

> > > > > not replaced. Then the candida become abnormally widespread.

> > > > >

> > > > > Contagiousness has everything to do with the biological

> > > > > terrain (condition, defenses) of the one being exposed. For

> > > > > example, I never catch infectious diseases from others. This

> > > > > is not necessarily good either, as you want a system in

> > > > > balance, not a hyperactive immune system. But I just want

> > > > > you to consider that passing infections to another person can

> > > > > only happen when their system is open to it. The same thing

> > > > > happens in your own body. Candida does not go anywhere or

> > > > > grow unless conditions are hospitable to it (i.e., a body out

> > > > > of balance or full of decaying wastes).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi , I commented in line...

> Re: diflucan treatment/contagiousness of candida

>

> DJ-

>

> Its really hard to say, since people tend to see the same thing in

> much different ways, just human nature. At the root of what I am

> saying about candida, is that candida overgrowth is a part of the

> body's own self defense mechanism, that having candida serves a

> purpose, in helping the body cope with toxicity that it could not

> otherwise cope with due to other udnerlying conditions. In this view,

> taking antifungals to kill the candida intereferes with the body's own

> system, and opens the body up to even worse long term harm. this is

> in addition to the toxicity of the drugs themselves. the key to

> recovery in this view is to address the underlying issues that force

> the body to use less than great back up systems, like candida

> overgrowth. this is where I encourage people to look.

This is one point we'll differ on. I take a different point of view. I

think the body gets into a condition where these organisms (candida,

parasites ect) can thrive. I wouldn't call them " part of the body's own

self defense " I feel it is how nature deals with improper digestion among

other things.

> This is a viewpoint, and people are of course free to accept, reject,

> or think about for later what this approach means. I mention it

> often, because no one was talking this way when I first figured out

> that I had a candida overgrowth. the only way I got put on to it was

> by trying almost everything else, then finding s Moritz's books.

> I tried his advice, it worked, then it all made sense.

Keep in mind it is possible your body could have healed in due time without

all the techniques you read in s's books. I'm not saying which I

think happened in your case -- just the possibilities.

> I know many people feel the the candida is their root problem. no

> doubt the candida causes other problems, the body is not designed to

> funtion optimally like this, there is a price to pay. but, this is

> just my opinion, but in the vast majority of cases, the candida is not

> the root problem. it seems like it is because you have to deal with

> it every day, and for a long time, I thought it was my only problem.

> but, for me it was just a symptom of deeper problems like clogged up

> liver, horrible diet, stressful life, ect ect.... once the udnerlying

> problems were given some attention, the candida problem was gone

> without much of a fight at all.

Yes for years I read about candida and was convinced I had HIV. I don't

have HIV or any other STD but I do have candida and a host of other problems

that may or may not have occurred before my candida problems

(hypothyroidism, hypochlorida, adrenal fatigue, and so on...).

> DJ I hope you don't think was trying to belittle you or even argue

> with you. sometimes my messages are terse because I tend to say the

> same things again and again (new posters all the time). I went

> through this too, and know how you feel. I don't have any hard

> feelings and hope you don't either, we are just sharing viewpoints.

Nah, opinions are like a-holes, everyone's got 'em . I respect your

opinions.

[Guest guest]

--

>

> This is one point we'll differ on. I take a different point of view. I

> think the body gets into a condition where these organisms (candida,

> parasites ect) can thrive. I wouldn't call them " part of the body's own

> self defense " I feel it is how nature deals with improper digestion

among

> other things.

DJ- when you say this, it make me think more we really are talking

about the same thing... nature's way of dealing with improper

digestion is the candida overgrowth... if you take away the candida

but change nothing else (for example by using an antifungal) some

symptoms will subside while others like poor digestion will remain

(unless diet is changed liver is cleaned out ect).

when I say back up system, i am really trying to make the same point.

without nature kicking in, ie the candida, the poorly disted food

would be very toxic to the system. the candida breaks the undigested

food down. granted, it creates a range of other problems because the

body is not designed to operate this way, certainly not long term.

john