Re: Wanting to pick your brains!

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In a message dated 17/06/2006 17:48:02 GMT Daylight Time,

alison@... writes:

I'm also treating my adrenals with Isocort but I don't know if that is

relevant to this discussion.

Alison

Greeting from Devon.

How is your thyroid. Could it be implicated in your weight gain I am

wondering? very often the case.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

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In a message dated 17/06/2006 18:07:07 GMT Daylight Time,

alison@... writes:

I've had incomplete thyroid results back from my doctor (my request) -

only got T4 and not T3 because they won't test for T3 if T4 is " normal " .

I'm fairly sure I'll be suffering from hypothyroid but only within the

low-normal range so GPs won't treat it. However, I've been referred to an

endocrinologist (months since!) and am waiting for the appointment.

Hi Alison

To fully assess your thyroid you need a full thyroid panel. That would

include TSH, Free T4, Free T3 (crucially) and two lots of antibodies.

Forget the GP. You can get this done privately and it might be worth its

weight in gold for you. NP Tech Laboratory will do this for you, in the UK.

Ditto treatment, you can self-treat as many thyroidians do in exasperation

with what passes for thyroid care in this country. Armour dessicated pig

thyroid is a treatment of choice and it is very hard to get this in the UK even

though the doctors can prescribe it if they want.

What area are you in Alison? I know Yorkshire is pretty good for Armour

prescribing.

Did you get your adrenals tested?

Where there are adrenals problems, the thyroid is often out also as they act

as a pair.

Have you checked your early morning temperatures?

check out _www.drrind.com_ (http://www.drrind.com) for more info or google

Broda .

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

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How is your thyroid. Could it be implicated in your weight gain I am

wondering? very often the case.

Hi Mo

I've had incomplete thyroid results back from my doctor (my request) -

only got T4 and not T3 because they won't test for T3 if T4 is " normal " .

I'm fairly sure I'll be suffering from hypothyroid but only within the

low-normal range so GPs won't treat it. However, I've been referred to an

endocrinologist (months since!) and am waiting for the appointment.

I've always been big, was 18.5 stone when I became ill (though was 11.5

stone before I started putting on weight in my late 20s, over 20 years

ago!), so I'm not sure that thyroid is the real problem there.

Alison

God bless

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Alison

I hear your frustration. I wish I could respond to you as someone

cured having all the answers but unfortunately I'm on the same side of

the fence as you. Basically, I think there are two main types of people

coming to this forum. Those who have been abused by antibiotics and the

rest have some form of poisoning be it metal or toxic building sickness

and/or a virus. Also must mention the awesome health practitioners

Duncan, etc. for enriching the forum.

If you are in the first group your bacterial situation is off

balance. Most of the good guys have been nuked and the candida albacan

type strains have flourished. Sometimes they become systemic and find

themselves in other annoying areas of the body. Often a candida diet

for three weeks and probiotics and inulin and you can walk away from

this situation.

The second group is more difficult especially if a virus is

concerned. I read an article where a high tech lab was determined to

get to the root of a CFS patient and found a rare virus. I've also

heard that many people have chlamydia and HIV which aren't always

showing up in lab tests but later surface anyway.

If the liver and kidney is endlessly dealing with toxins/viruses it

will eventually get tired. Not enough digestive juice will go to the

gall bladder so digestion will be sluggish and candida will thrive on

the undigested. Sweet cravings help to get some sort of food in but are

often void in minerals and fiber and will also feed a systemic infection.

There is a lot more to consider with group two. Basically if food

allergies are avoided as well as non foods such as sugar, vinegars,

additives and preservatives there is a likely chance the liver can heal

itself and begin healing the body. The liver is the key in the second

group as I see it.

Hopefully this was some food for thought,

....to getting better and better.

Willem

Alison wrote:

I guess I'd like to ask what advice any of you could give me about what to

do and in what order. Would dealing with the candidiasis help the

gallstones? Would do a liver flush help the candidiasis? There's no doubt

I have some kind of dysbiosis. Any comments on what I'm already doing

and/or what I could do instead would be very welcome!

I should also add that I'm on state benefits (I'm in the UK) and have no

money to spare for expensive supplements. At the moment I'm taking cheap

versions of Vit C (2000 mg/day), Omega 3 and acidophilus (in tablet form so

I'm not convinced it works but it's all I can afford) which cost me about

£10 a month.

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Willem,

Thanks for the great summary! I am in the first group (antibiotics for 10

years) and at this point am not sure if I still even have candida. I did the

strict diet and antifungals for 4 months. Now I am dealing with fatigue, low

ferritin, and urinary pain. My overall digestion seems OK, so I am not sure

what the status is of my Leaky Gut. I did order the Great Smokies tests for

parasitology and intestinal permeability, so hopefully those can give me some

definitive answers.

Anyway, thanks to all who help us on this forum!

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On 6/17/06, willem <willem432@...> wrote:

> Also must mention the awesome health practitioners

> Duncan, etc. for enriching the forum.

In case this is referring to me, I just want to make clear that I'm

not a health practitioner. I do a lot of research and writing about

health, but I'm not licensed to give out any kind of advice or

treatment.

Chris

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Alison,

It gets messy when things get this complicated, doesnt it! Sometimes

its just so frustrating you want to give up - because everything is

intertwined, and many things that are beneficial to the health of

other people actually have a negative impact on one of your other

conditions, and on it goes...

I don't have enough knowledge about some of your conditions to give

you the level of advice you need, but I will definitely agree that

the problems you have listed are related.

I am somewhat confident I have CFS (a couple of holistic

practicioners I've seen firmly believe this, but having not had a

full range of medical tests I can't say Ive ruled everything else

out) and share with you candidiasis and intermittent irritable bowel

as well. I also take it that you are Alison from the CFS list! I am

concentrating more on the candida side of things now as I think it

will benefit CFS more than treating CFS will benefit candida/gut

problems.

Anyway I have been recommended against fasts and cleanses by several

people, and just don't know what to believe. Eighteen months ago I

tried one of those highly marketed detox kits that have bowel,

liver, stomach cleanse tablets. It had a terrible effect on my

system and made me so sick! Anyway there are much smarter ways to do

a cleanse than those packets of evil, but the point I'm getting at

is I don't know how well a delicate system (particularly with CFS)

can handle a cleanse. Have they worked for you in the past?

The cost of supplements is indeed a big issue. I get vitamin C in a

powdered form from health food stores for about $10 (Australian

dollars) a packet, cant remember how much is in a packet though. I

found in the past that the cheap vitamin C tablets I was taking were

doing nothing, whereas the powdered form I get now has a noticeable

effect. I've never felt that acidophilus tablets have ever had an

effect on me, so I hardly ever take them now. But then, how do you

know?!! My dad, who is much more severely affected, actually found

they were having an adverse reaction on him and he cut them out

completely. Have you found the omega 3's have helped at all? I take

them too but don't know if I should be expecting to notice a

difference!

Sorry I can't be more helpful, but I hope whatever you choose works

out for you.

ita

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RE: Wanting to pick your brains!

>Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:02:03 +0100

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: candidiasis

[mailto:candidiasis ]On

>Behalf Of NOVAexeter@...

>

> How is your thyroid. Could it be implicated in your weight gain I am

> wondering? very often the case.

>

> Hi Mo

>

> I've had incomplete thyroid results back from my doctor (my request)

-

>only got T4 and not T3 because they won't test for T3 if T4 is

" normal " .

>I'm fairly sure I'll be suffering from hypothyroid but only within the

>low-normal range so GPs won't treat it. However, I've been referred to

an

>endocrinologist (months since!) and am waiting for the appointment.

>

> I've always been big, was 18.5 stone when I became ill (though was

11.5

>stone before I started putting on weight in my late 20s, over 20 years

>ago!), so I'm not sure that thyroid is the real problem there.

>

> Alison

>

> God bless

>

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> Give food to the hungry every day with a simple click, at no cost to

>you.

>Visit http://www.thehungersite.com today!

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RE: Wanting to pick your brains!

>Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:02:03 +0100

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: candidiasis

[mailto:candidiasis ]On

>Behalf Of NOVAexeter@...

>

> How is your thyroid. Could it be implicated in your weight gain I am

> wondering? very often the case.

>

> Hi Mo

>

> I've had incomplete thyroid results back from my doctor (my request)

-

>only got T4 and not T3 because they won't test for T3 if T4 is

" normal " .

>I'm fairly sure I'll be suffering from hypothyroid but only within the

>low-normal range so GPs won't treat it. However, I've been referred to

an

>endocrinologist (months since!) and am waiting for the appointment.

>

> I've always been big, was 18.5 stone when I became ill (though was

11.5

>stone before I started putting on weight in my late 20s, over 20 years

>ago!), so I'm not sure that thyroid is the real problem there.

>

> Alison

>

> God bless

>

>

> Give food to the hungry every day with a simple click, at no cost to

>you.

>Visit http://www.thehungersite.com today!

>

>

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" Have you found the omega 3's have helped at all? I take

them too but don't know if I should be expecting to notice a

difference! "

Hi, ita. I am not sure what form you are taking your omega 3's in. I am

taking it in the form of cod liver oil, and I really can notice a difference.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to do much for my energy levels. It does seem to

help with my mood and it definitely makes my fingernails grow like crazy. It is

probably the vitamin A doing that. I take equivalent to 10,000IU of vitamin A in

the form of cod liver oil. HTH!

-Olif

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Hello Alison,

I just wanted to add my 2p to the conversation about Thyroid treatments.

Bladderwrack, a form of kelp or seaweed, helps maintain an underactive

thyroid.

My history with thyroid is thus. First of all, I'm a large woman. I weigh

about 365 lbs. After a friend was told by a Chinese practitioner that she

had a systemic yeast problem (candida), my friend suggested that I might

benefit from what the practitioner told her about foods to avoid. So my

husband & I went through the cupboards and got rid of all the sugars (except

honey because my friend & I weren't sure if it " counted " as a sugar),

oatmeal, wheat flour, anything with wheat or yeast in it, anything

fermented, etc., that could cause a problem. And after about a month of

eating foods without wheat, yeast, sugars, vinegar, and such, I started to

feel better.

Because I'm a big girl (and always have been to one degree or another) every

doctor I've ever encountered has tested me for thyroid. But nothing ever

showed. However, after eliminating all this things from my diet, all of

sudden my thyroid showed itself to be underactive. I mentioned it to

another friend and she told me how her sister had the same thing happen.

The foods I had eliminated stopped masking the thyroid problem.

Then a few years later, another friend discovered that the herb Bladderwrack

was good for those with an underactive thyroid. (I'm guessing it has

something to do with the fact that it is a seaweed and is probably high in

iodine.) At the time I had a shop and sold bulk herbs, and I happened to

have some bladderwrack in stock. So she bought some to try. We weren't

sure of the dosage, so she just made a tea with a teaspoon of the herb in 8

ounces of boiling water and let it steep until it was cool enough to drink

really quickly. (Apparently it tastes pretty yucky.)

Slowly, with her doctor's knowledge and consent, she weaned herself off the

synthetic thyroid she was taking and increased the dosage of bladderwrack.

It was working, but the the doctor requested she find a more standardized

way of dosing the bladderwrack. She found it in a liquid extract form at a

local Health Food Store and has been taking it that way ever since. When

she was able to take this more standardized form, the doctor started her at

..50ml, but later changed her to .75ml (the dropper was calibrated at .25ml

increments), and she has been on this dosage for about 5 years without any

ill affect. And I'm guessing that her doctor may be prescribing this

treatment for his other patients. At least I would hope so.

About a year later I had a doctor who refused to take me seriously about

anything. After one particular visit she refused to write a medical excuse

for me so that I could be exempted from wearing a seatbelt (New York State

law allows for medical exemptions in the seatbelt law but she didn't believe

me) simply because I was over 300 pounds, so I refused to take the

medications she had just prescribed. (One of them was Lipitor, a very

expensive medication, and I had no insurance to cover the cost.) I found

several herbals that would help lower blood pressure and cholesterol, and I

took the bladderwrack for my thyroid. To my doctor's surprise, I lowered my

blood pressure and brought my other levels to where they needed to be with

just the herbals. She couldn't believe it, but reluctantly told me to keep

doing what I was doing.

Bottom line is that the bladdderwrack works to bring the thyroid to normal

operating levels. And I'm soon to prove it to my present doctor.

Sorry that was so long. I hope the information helps.

Blessings,

Cecile

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